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Actually most of our contingency plans revolve around zombie uprisings.What about zombies created by aliens? I'd suggest at least ... eight contingency plans. Possibly nine.(An old Misfits tune)
<singing>"with just one touch of my burning hand I'll send my astrozombies to rape this land, prime directive, exterminate, the human race....."</singing>
Probably my favorite Misfits song.
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Thanks for the respect folks. ;)
Anyway, the reason I thought it might be misleading is if you go back to the quote, you see:
It appears from the quote that:
1. A decision was made (assumably that would be the decision to go with PRG).
2. Then Jason brought the ideas he had been working to the office.
3. Then a few months past with the editorial staff offering suggestions.Now maybe that is not how it happened. But reading the quote makes it appear as if that is how it happened. Now maybe the problem is just my reading compression, or maybe Jason just mispoke.
When Jason refers to "the past few months," he's including the months in which this was his personal project. (Of course, most of us knew about it during that time, and I'm sure he got some input on a few things before he brought it to the group as a whole.)
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When Jason refers to "the past few months," he's including the months in which this was his personal project. (Of course, most of us knew about it during that time, and I'm sure he got some input on a few things before he brought it to the group as a whole.)
Vic, dude, according to my computer you posted this like 27 minutes ago. That puts it at about 6:30 my time (east coast) and 3:30 your time. Jeez, don't you people ever sleep?!?
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Jeez, don't you people ever sleep?!?We tiny mice don't sleep, because that would require us to put down our giant stack of books.
VW, you're two hours behind me time zone wise, put down the books and get some sleep as no one should be up THAT early!
Seriously, the last thing Paizo customers want is burnout from any Paizo satffers or freelancers.
SLEEP!
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VW, you're two hours behind me time zone wise, put down the books and get some sleep as no one should be up THAT early!
Seriously, the last thing Paizo customers want is burnout from any Paizo satffers or freelancers.
SLEEP!
Maybe they've all been upgraded.
Actually most of our contingency plans revolve around zombie uprisings.If you get a chance, pick up "The Zombie Survival Guide" at your local book store. It's a must have for paranoid, heavily armed people living in a bunker.
We don't leave our bunkers to go out to bookstores much. Uh... I mean they don't leave their bunk- aww, fiddlesticks!! I just knew this messageboard was an elaborate ploy to lure me out of hiding!! I better go crank off a few rounds at some canned beans. Practice my aim and it's the only entertainment I have in here... I mean, I have a friend who lives in a... uh... freakin zombies running the intertubes!!
I'd say that they knew what to do a day or two before the announcement. Since they wanted to have something to show when they told us, they cornered JB in his office, and forced him to make his side project all pretty so they can throw it at the ravenous horde thew knew would soon be standing at their door.
And having seen their speed in getting something going (Pathfinder), I can totally see them keeping all options open until very recently.
Also I should note that a non-insignificant portion of our contingency scenarios involve goblin attacks.
And they still were able to take over. Your plans stink ;-P
When Jason refers to "the past few months," he's including the months in which this was his personal project. (Of course, most of us knew about it during that time, and I'm sure he got some input on a few things before he brought it to the group as a whole.)
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say...
Been selling that at cons lately, need to pick up one for myself though.Actually most of our contingency plans revolve around zombie uprisings.If you get a chance, pick up "The Zombie Survival Guide" at your local book store. It's a must have for paranoid, heavily armed people living in a bunker.
It is either really funny, or really scary. It's written like a real army field manual and sites how to pick real zombie incidents out of new reports. IT's either written by a great writer with a tongue in cheek look, or a nut job living in a bomb shelter waiting for the zombie hoard. By the end, I couldn't really tell which.
I'm surprised you could tell what Danzig was saying!! Talk about your sub-par production values.
Mommy, can I go out and.... KILL TONIGHT?
Actually most of our contingency plans revolve around zombie uprisings.What about zombies created by aliens? I'd suggest at least ... eight contingency plans. Possibly nine.(An old Misfits tune)
<singing>"with just one touch of my burning hand I'll send my astrozombies to rape this land, prime directive, exterminate, the human race....."</singing>
Been selling that at cons lately, need to pick up one for myself though.It is either really funny, or really scary. It's written like a real army field manual and sites how to pick real zombie incidents out of new reports. IT's either written by a great writer with a tongue in cheek look, or a nut job living in a bomb shelter waiting for the zombie hoard. By the end, I couldn't really tell which.
For those people that like zombie stuff, I would strongly recommend reading World War Z another book by Max Brooks (son of Mel Brooks). It was one of the best books I've read in the last couple of years, it is not too campy or too scary. It has the perfect blend. I would love to see them make a movie of it, but I think they would totally screw it up (see Dragonlance).
That ain't lying. Lying is "We aren't making a game up now" And then *bam!* there's a game you been working on.
Paizo's been saying all along "We ain't figured out what we're going to do." Which don't mena "We ain't making up any new games."
For those people that like zombie stuff, I would strongly recommend reading World War Z another book by Max Brooks (son of Mel Brooks). It was one of the best books I've read in the last couple of years, it is not too campy or too scary. It has the perfect blend. I would love to see them make a movie of it, but I think they would totally screw it up (see Dragonlance).
Funny you should mention that, J. Michael Straczynski (Babylon 5 and a buncha other stuff) is writing/has written a screenplay for World War Z. Dunno where in pre-production it is, however.
I wouldn't worry that they would screw it up like the Dragonlance movie, it's too big budget. Apparently (according to IMDB that is) Brad Pitt's and Leonard DiCaprio's production companies got in a bidding war over it. I do know from his own reports that JMS's first movie script is being directed by Clint Eastwood (Ron Howard did want to do it, but was too busy). So, with the names and money involved, if it survives from script to actual film, they aren't going to screw it up Dragonlance style.
They'll just screw it up Hollywood blockbuster style. ;) (At least it'll look awesome, even if the plot is watered down and they build it around some big name actor so that he can look cool.)
The other half of the 3.Paizo group wanted something more extreme. They might have even initially been excited by the announcement of 4E but then WotCs brilliant marketing strategy kicked in and the changes where profound and for many not exactly welcome. This group wants version 3.80. The rules can do with a major over haul - lots out there that can be improved on. Fundamentally it'd be the same game but with a significant engine upgrade. Things might not be very backwards compatible but the game itself would run far better and would allow for significant additional material down the line.
Each group believed that their version of 3.5 was what Paizo would create if they did not go 4E, but I suspect that you'd find that if you actually read what Eric etc. were saying then they don't tell mistruths about their plans.
This describes me perfectly, with one caveat: I didn't "believe that's what Paizo would create" but I hoped it might be (and still do).
But yeah, Paizo's been very straightforward about the whole thing. Remarkably so, given the contemporary "Don't say anything to anybody -- they might hold us to it later!" business climate (not just in gaming, but in every field of endeavor).
-The Gneech
Actually most of our contingency plans revolve around zombie uprisings.If you get a chance, pick up "The Zombie Survival Guide" at your local book store. It's a must have for paranoid, heavily armed people living in a bunker.
I have the daily calendar! :)
And I have read World War Z. Excelent book.
This entire thread is stupid.
Hey now, only one of my posts was stupid! The other was merely off-topic. ;)
(Although I do agree that if the statement that Jason has been spending months working on this surprises you, then you must figure he wrote that whole thing up last weekend and then the site was down while they ran around and made it look pretty. I wouldn't be as uncivilized as to call it "stupid", but yeah, it's pretty obvious this took months to put together. Although I will freely admit to the stupidity of my other post.)
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I just want to add that I appreciate everything Paizo has done for us gamers over the years. And I am 100% behind the Pathfinder RPG.
As a longtime fan of 1) D&D and 2) the Forgotten Realms, I am appalled at what 4th Edition is and will be. For the last few years I have been running my FR campaign set in that setting's past (post-Avatars trilogy, give or take five years), so as to avoid the concept of World Shattering Events Designed To Sell More Novels!
Pathfinder RPG promises to try and fix the glitches with the system without starting all over again. I have game sourcebooks and box sets dating back well over twenty-five years (longer than some gamers have been alive), and hate to see that investment thrown away, such as 3rd edition did to 2nd edition. So Pathfinder appeals to me on that level. And all the playtesting is open and free!
Will I play the Pathfinder campaign setting? I don't know for sure. But the Pathfinder RPG rules so far gives me hope that 3.X can still be playable for years to come.
This entire thread is stupid. No business decision like this just happens out of the blue. It takes a lot of time to mull something of this magnitude over especially in a niche-market like table-top RPG's.
Lastly - why characterize Paizo as "lying" when all they did was make a business decision for themselves (and their fans) - not a personal attack on someone. Get over it.
I wish Paizo the best. And I'll likely buy Pathfinder and 4e and let my players decide with me.
OK, for those people that didn't make any effort to actually read what has been stated, I will try to explain why it might have looked like there was some misleading.
Paizo for the last several months has said they didn't have a definitive final PLAN. Now again, once more please, looking at Jason's comment:
When Paizo made the decision to go full steam ahead with ongoing 3.5 support, I brought the rules into the office and we began poring over them as a team.
Notice the bolded part. It appears from his comment that first a decision was made THEN people BEGAN poring over it as a team. Assumably he had already done some work on his own up to this point. But the team effort did not begin until a definitive final decision was. He then goes on to say:
A lot of great work came out of the past few months with nearly everybody in our editorial staff offering up suggestions and ideas to make the rules even better.
So since this followed right after the previous statement it could have appeared that he was saying that the team (remember they BEGAN working on it as a TEAM after the decision was made) had worked on it together for "the past few months".
Now if that is how it did occur then the claims for the past few months that Paizo hadn't reached a decision would have been ... incorrect.
Now I don't think that reading of it in that way is so stupid, I had some others read it whose reading ability is better than mine and they agreed that they thought the way it sounded to me was what it looked like to them. That is why I asked the question to begin with, because I thought there was some disconnect with what Paizo had been saying and what Jason was now saying.
Now if everyone had actually read the entire thread they would have seen this comment:
When Jason refers to "the past few months," he's including the months in which this was his personal project. (Of course, most of us knew about it during that time, and I'm sure he got some input on a few things before he brought it to the group as a whole.)
Which clarifies that these two issues are not at odds. And that his statement should instead be read as:
[officially][/b] began poring over them as a team. A lot of great work [had] came out of the past few months [when I was the only one officially working on it] with nearly everybody in our editorial staff offering up suggestions and ideas to make the rules even better [during that time].
So, no this thread was not stupid. It was seeking clarification and that clarification was obtained.
Its important to note that Paizo values everyone's opinion--even (maybe especially) if that opinion is not exactly Paizo friendly as that gives us a better contrast from which to view ourselves.
So, no, this thread was not stupid. But its sure been resolved. Best not to cast Raise Thread without having read the entire thing.