Mysteries of D&D in final Dragon issue


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I've been getting increasingly curious about the topic of one of the articles slated for the final issue of Dragon, the one about top mysteries of D&D.

Without giving spoilers before the magazine comes out -I'm not really expecting a listing of what particular mysteries are in the piece- what sort of format will the article have? Will it bluntly give answers to them, explaining them fully? Will it describe them and just speculate on possible answers? What perspective did the authors go with?


Maybe it'll explain why there's a keep on the borderlands.

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Having written a few of them myself and having seen the final article... you'll get a little bit of both. In some cases, mysteries are just that; mysteries. In others, though, the TRUTH IS TOLD!!!

At least, as far as we can tell it's the truth.

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James Jacobs wrote:

Having written a few of them myself and having seen the final article... you'll get a little bit of both. In some cases, mysteries are just that; mysteries. In others, though, the TRUTH IS TOLD!!!

At least, as far as we can tell it's the truth.

Ah, so it's finally going to come out that the Lady of Pain is actually those three ratatosks wearing a robe and a mask with a ring of levitation? ;)

Fostering mysteries is fun, pinning them down and defining them usually isn't unless you bring in more mysteries and unanswered questions at the same time. :) And some mysteries are sacred cows with flaying shadows. :D

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Todd Stewart wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:

Having written a few of them myself and having seen the final article... you'll get a little bit of both. In some cases, mysteries are just that; mysteries. In others, though, the TRUTH IS TOLD!!!

At least, as far as we can tell it's the truth.

Ah, so it's finally going to come out that the Lady of Pain is actually those three ratatosks wearing a robe and a mask with a ring of levitation? ;)

Fostering mysteries is fun, pinning them down and defining them usually isn't unless you bring in more mysteries and unanswered questions at the same time. :) And some mysteries are sacred cows with flaying shadows. :D

Maybe it's about why the heck there are EXPLODING COWS in Neverwinter Nights...?

Or maybe it's about that one guy from... Ironkeep? The half-dwarf and/or gold dragon guy?


Sect wrote:
Maybe it's about why the heck there are EXPLODING COWS in Neverwinter Nights...?

All games should have exploding cows. Or sheep. Blizzard knows.


Todd Stewart wrote:
Ah, so it's finally going to come out that the Lady of Pain is actually those three ratatosks wearing a robe and a mask with a ring of levitation? ;)

i thought you of all people would know that she's a baernaloth? ;)


BOZ wrote:
Todd Stewart wrote:
Ah, so it's finally going to come out that the Lady of Pain is actually those three ratatosks wearing a robe and a mask with a ring of levitation? ;)
i thought you of all people would know that she's a baernaloth? ;)

Just like Jar-Jar Binks! ;)


BOZ wrote:
Todd Stewart wrote:
Ah, so it's finally going to come out that the Lady of Pain is actually those three ratatosks wearing a robe and a mask with a ring of levitation? ;)
i thought you of all people would know that she's a baernaloth? ;)

Isn't she what happened when a modron and a slaad got frisky?

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Chef's Slaad wrote:
BOZ wrote:
Todd Stewart wrote:
Ah, so it's finally going to come out that the Lady of Pain is actually those three ratatosks wearing a robe and a mask with a ring of levitation? ;)
i thought you of all people would know that she's a baernaloth? ;)

Isn't she what happened when a modron and a slaad got frisky?

That'd be the Ulolok (sp?)


I'd like to know what a slaad/modron/angel/demon/devil/yugoloth/eladrin/guardinal/rilmani/archon would make?

Heh, sounds like the beginning of a Dungeon Adventure Path.


Razz wrote:

Heh, sounds like the beginning of a Dungeon Adventure Path.

Except that Dungeon will never have another AP again... :(

And don't feed me that DI crap. Wizards doesn't have the skill to pull off a full adventure path.

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MaxSlasher26 wrote:
Razz wrote:

Heh, sounds like the beginning of a Dungeon Adventure Path.

Except that Dungeon will never have another AP again... :(

And don't feed me that DI crap. Wizards doesn't have the skill to pull off a full adventure path.

Ashardalon, he of the pit fiend for a heart, could kill foozles just to pass the time.

Forge of Fury made the Dungeon top 30, and The Sunless Citadel and The Heart of Nightfang Spire are popular with the fans.


MaxSlasher26 wrote:
Maybe it'll explain why there's a keep on the borderlands.

I think the real mystery there is why no on in the Keep has a name. It's freaky. It's like they're not really people, just mindless automata who only react to what the PCs do and have no independent lives of their own.

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logic_poet wrote:
MaxSlasher26 wrote:
Razz wrote:

Forge of Fury made the Dungeon top 30, and The Sunless Citadel and The Heart of Nightfang Spire are popular with the fans.

Who wrote those? Are they still with Wizards?

Forge of Fury- Rich Baker (Is he still w/WotC?)

Sunless Citadel, Heart of Nightfang- Bruce Cordel

You have your answer :-(

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Maybe they'll put the "female dwarven beards" issue to rest for good.


logic_poet wrote:
MaxSlasher26 wrote:
Razz wrote:

Heh, sounds like the beginning of a Dungeon Adventure Path.

Except that Dungeon will never have another AP again... :(

And don't feed me that DI crap. Wizards doesn't have the skill to pull off a full adventure path.

Ashardalon, he of the pit fiend for a heart, could kill foozles just to pass the time.

Forge of Fury made the Dungeon top 30, and The Sunless Citadel and The Heart of Nightfang Spire are popular with the fans.

Well that's true. Those were good, but that was very early on in Wizard's adventure-building career in 3rd edition. I don't enjoy the adventures they put out nowadays. They're all big dungeon crawls just so they can show off their fancypants Delve Format.


MaxSlasher26 wrote:
Well that's true. Those were good, but that was very early on in Wizard's adventure-building career in 3rd edition. I don't enjoy the adventures they put out nowadays. They're all big dungeon crawls just so they can show off their fancypants Delve Format.

Dude, Forge of Fury is nothing but dungeoncrawl. It just happens to be a freakin' awesome dungeon.

In fact, most of the Top Whatever lists of favorite adventures are dungeoncrawls.

Saying that the "nowadays" WotC adventures are somehow inferior because "they're all big dungeon crawls" is just silly.


You know, I kind a want some answers, but at the same time, leaving mysteries open really fosters home-spun campaign ideas...

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Gnome Ninja wrote:
You know, I kind a want some answers, but at the same time, leaving mysteries open really fosters home-spun campaign ideas...

You have little to fear from the article. :)

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I'm really hoping they FINALLY run the Phil & Dixie comic where they'll do Sex in D&D. I dont think they ever got a chance to run that one.

=:-)


I'm not a fan of mysteries. I like to be in "the know" of things. Though...some mysteries would truly ruin the flavor of certain things. Like knowing the truth behind the Lady of Pain, for example.

But still, the nagging feeling of wanting to know the Truth will always be there and it can drive a person insane not knowing it. I could see myself on my death bed with one of my dying thoughts being,"What the hell is she really?!" LMAO

You know, I think I'll ask that on that day as a parting gift. I wouldn't ruin it for anyone since...well...I'll be dead. Morbid, yes, let's move on! LOL

I think one mystery I'd like to know is why WotC abandoned the Oriental Adventures and Epic gaming line and has yet to produce material from either one :P Heh heh, I know stuff like that wouldn't be covered in the article, it's just wishful thinking.


Sect wrote:
Maybe it's about why the heck there are EXPLODING COWS in Neverwinter Nights...?

It's a reference to Diablo I. All the other NPCs in town could be clicked on to engage them, with Easter Eggs on some of them if you clicked on them X times.

Cows, though, just exploded if you kept on clicking the poor creatures.

Naturally, this did not dissuade people from doing it.


i still remember, i think it was Ultima VI or VII, you could bust onto a farm and just slaughter the livestock and steal the meat. that's not as fun as exploding a cow i'm sure, but still pretty naughty. :)


Temmogen wrote:

I'm really hoping they FINALLY run the Phil & Dixie comic where they'll do Sex in D&D. I dont think they ever got a chance to run that one.

=:-)

It was printed in the second What's New collection.

Rather disturbing, actually. :)

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Temmogen wrote:

I'm really hoping they FINALLY run the Phil & Dixie comic where they'll do Sex in D&D. I dont think they ever got a chance to run that one.

=:-)

HA!!! Funny that you mention that...


Todd Stewart wrote:
Ah, so it's finally going to come out that the Lady of Pain is actually those three ratatosks wearing a robe and a mask with a ring of levitation? ;)

Or whether a certain 'loth is a He or a She. Or Both. Truly. ;)

But of course the greatest mystery in Dragon history is...What happened to Wormy?!?

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Krypter wrote:
What happened to Wormy?!?

That question appears in the article, yes.


Joshua Randall wrote:
MaxSlasher26 wrote:
Well that's true. Those were good, but that was very early on in Wizard's adventure-building career in 3rd edition. I don't enjoy the adventures they put out nowadays. They're all big dungeon crawls just so they can show off their fancypants Delve Format.

Dude, Forge of Fury is nothing but dungeoncrawl. It just happens to be a freakin' awesome dungeon.

In fact, most of the Top Whatever lists of favorite adventures are dungeoncrawls.

Saying that the "nowadays" WotC adventures are somehow inferior because "they're all big dungeon crawls" is just silly.

I like dungeon crawls. I said that they're all big dungeon crawls to show off their delve format. They could add a lot more to their dungeon crawls, but they have to use that crappy format. I like the plain old format used in Dungeon and GameMastery modules.

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Krypter wrote:


Or whether a certain 'loth is a He or a She. Or Both. Truly. ;)

One of the most amusing typos in a D&D book that I can think of. :D

Ray Vallese's comment on it was even more so, in that it was his attempt "to have D&D's first crossdressing arcanaloth".

Explanation to anyone not aware of this: In the 2e sourcebook "Uncaged: Faces of Sigil", the arcanaloth Shemeska the Marauder, a rather obviously female fiend, had her statblock list her as being male. Insert "Faces of Evil"'s speculations on yugoloths and gender, and you've got awkwardness. Add the author's joking about it and you've got pure win.


I hate to say it, but you guys blew the one on the Expedition to the Barrier Peaks ship. It is NOT the Warden from Metamorphosis Alpha, according to both Gary Gygax (Oerth Journal #12, p. 8-9) and Jim Ward (http://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11179&start=502).

But hey--I forgive you. :) Besides--that whole bit on who Tasha really was/is, plus the nice connection to Roger Moore's "The Dancing Hut" more that made up for this common assumption.

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