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It becomes harder and harder to find the original Tome of Horrors in print. I think a Tome of Horrors Revised in print would be a great commercial success.
Granted, I do base my opinion on sporadic observations over the internet, and internet doesn't make a rule. I must precise, however, that I've never seen a fan of the original ToH who would not buy a revised print edition.
I've got the 3.0 edition in print and the revised PDF. I would buy an updated reprint in a heart beat, and all the fans I read would do the same.
Furthermore, using ToH monsters along with Pathfinder would just make sense, given the old school inclination of the book series in some instances, like the presentation of the world through the adventures instead of a dry "campaign setting" thrown wholesale to the masses.
Whether grognard or noobs to D&D, I can't see any gamer who wouldn't profit from the contents of the ToH. I have all the MMs and numerous monster books whether they'd be OGL or d20 trademark licensed. Monster Collection, Ravenloft, Arcana Unearthed and Iron Heroes, etc ... you name it. ToH is easily the non-WotC resource I use the most in our games. I suspect many, many fans of DnD and the OGL would do the same if given the occasion.
I think a print version of the revised Tome of Horrors would do good to us all. Please? What do you think?
I'd buy it.
I'd buy it.
Yo tambien.
I also.
I would absolutely buy it, especially since Pathfinder will be relying on OGL creatures. I know there's plenty of room to create new monsters, but no need to reinvent the wheel, per se :)
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We are _strongly_ considering something along these lines. I had an hour-long conversation with Clark today, and will probably have another two before the end of the week. We're certainly considering this (along with a lot of other mega-cool ideas), in no small part because we want to use a lot of those monsters in Pathfinder.
--Erik
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We are _strongly_ considering something along these lines. I had an hour-long conversation with Clark today, and will probably have another two before the end of the week. We're certainly considering this (along with a lot of other mega-cool ideas), in no small part because we want to use a lot of those monsters in Pathfinder.
--Erik
Awesome! =)
To everyone showing interest in a print ToH revised: Thank you!
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Hhhmm... I own a printed ToH I revised... :pppp
I printed it out and let it bind in hard cover (the only pdf book that got this honour so far). It is one of the books most often referenced to by me. If you take into account the price of the .pdf (10 $$), printing and binding it just makes it slightly more expensive than your usual hard cover buy (plus you get a searchable electronic version as well!).
Greetings,
Günther
i would also buy this frist on the list
Please please PLEASE make this happen! I have the PDF but it's difficult for me to use such a thing in-game. I could print it all up, but meh...
So I'd be extremely interested in this!
A revised version would be certainly nice.
Some of the critters that were in the original (flumph, froghemoth) have since seen "official" treatment within the pages of Dungeon. Would a revised Tome of Horrors have to omit such critters now?
I beleive once they were designated open content in the original Tome, they remain open content. However, I am not an expert on such matters.
-M
I've been agitating for this for years, so yeah, I'd buy it. Nice shiny new art would just be the icing on the cake.
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I've been agitating for this for years, so yeah, I'd buy it. Nice shiny new art would just be the icing on the cake.
I am not sure if such an edition of ToH I revised would be feasable, though. Keep in mind: ToH I as much as its successors is black and white. Its lay out and content are pretty much 1st/ 2nd edition like. So a treatment in Paizo quality (including new full colour art and re doing the descriptions etc., just mentioning the word "ecologies"!) would considerably increase the production cost.
Btw. did I mention that the book is already 450 pages thick? :-p
As much as I'd like to see such a version of ToH I, it would certainly make some of the biggest and best supplements pale next to it (also in matters of pricing)...
Greetings,
Günther
I'm in.
I think a version 3.5 of Tome of Horrors produced in color with Paizo Publishing quality would be a great decision.
Assuming it was edited and revised to accomodate Pathfinder monsters, I would be willing to pay up to $59.95 for such a resource.
Where's my wallet? Oh! You mean it's not out yet? What are you waiting for then?!
Please, by Crom, give us this one book...
But I'm fine with the black & white, and quite frankly I think it suits the old school style of the monsters presented within. The original book features some great art - it would be great to have a 3.5 print version of it.
I'm confused, isn't this the V3.5 copy of Tome of Horrors people are asking for? I still haven't picked this baby up myself, but I love the original 3.0 print. This is a hardcopy item (or at least was) as I've seen it in stores.
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The copy they speak of (actually purchased via DriveThruRPG.com) is a watermarked PDF. The kids need printed hardcover books.
It would be very useful <nudge, nudge>
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I'm confused, isn't this the V3.5 copy of Tome of Horrors people are asking for?
You are right, Legendarius. :-)
V 3.5 grew bigger than the original ToH (exactly 450 pages without a single ad in them). Clark Peterson of Necromancer Games wrote in the introduction to ToH revised: "The problem was the book itself. The book was just too big to reprint without cutting content or substantially raising the price, or both. (...) I think we have found the right format and the right method of getting the revision to the fans." I agree with that because the price for the pdf is VERY fair (about 10 $$).Of course that was two years before Paizo turned to OGL material. I still remember threads just a few months ago where Paizo customers wrote that they didn't mess with "mere" d20/ OGL material and that only official D&D books were acceptable.
By now this changed (fortunately for there are really well made OGL books out there!). And for that very reason the usability and popularity of the ToH, Book of Fiends, and other OGL/ d20 monster books seems to have dramatically increased... ;-)
I am very happy with my printed out and perfectly bound version of ToH revised (see above). Additionally I have the easy to use pdf file which makes adding monster stats to my adventure notes a matter of seconds. Well done!
But I can see that there are still those people who crave for the official printed version...
I really like the new subscription model of Paizo's: I really like to have both a printed and a digital version of a book! The printed version for every day use and the digital version for easy reference and preparation of gaming evenings. Maybe this publication model could be introduced for all books published via Paizo (i.e. including Necromancer Games books)? :-))
End of rambling... :p
Greetings,
Günther
We wants it!
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I bought the revised ToH and had it printed and bound.I think that if Paizo where to put out a high quality colour version (as all Paizo products are)would allow those that wish to have a deluxe version to put on our shelves, and yet still allow those that dont want to pay a hefty price tag to still buy the old revised book in PDF format for the same cheap price. I think that this book out of all of the OGL material is one of the must haves, this only increases with the fact that Paizo is going to be using it for Pathfinder.Ultimatly you get what you pay for,while the content of the revised ToH is great I find the art is lacking. While this may not be a big deal to some I find it hard to visualize certain monsters in the game when they dont look particularly threating in the book (or just plain silly).Paizos new kolbolds look much cooler than the MM version, ditto for the goblins.So I would love to see (and purchase)a full colour super deluxe version of this book!
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(...) I find the art is lacking. While this may not be a big deal to some I find it hard to visualize certain monsters in the game when they dont look particularly threating in the book (or just plain silly).Paizos new kolbolds look much cooler than the MM version, ditto for the goblins.So I would love to see (and purchase)a full colour super deluxe version of this book!
Hhmm... Using a german saying: You compare apples with pears.
As I understand things ToH I was never intended to look as visually appealing as recent 3.5 publications. It updates stats of old edition monsters and adds some new ones - all of this under the Necromancer Games motto "third edition rules, first edition feel".If you compare it to other publications of NG you will realize that it fits quite well with the layout of their adventures.
Of course Paizo set different graphical standards.
My guess is that there will be eventually some kind of PF monster book. And ToH I will stay what it is: a treasure trove of old edition material converted to the newest rule set. After all old edtion style monsters and adventures still seem to have quite a following.
Greetings,
Günther
P.S.
Is there any ToH monster that already saw use in GMM D0 or D1?
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(...) I find the art is lacking. While this may not be a big deal to some I find it hard to visualize certain monsters in the game when they dont look particularly threating in the book (or just plain silly).Paizos new kolbolds look much cooler than the MM version, ditto for the goblins.So I would love to see (and purchase)a full colour super deluxe version of this book!Hhmm... Using a german saying: You compare apples with pears.
As I understand things ToH I was never intended to look as visually appealing as recent 3.5 publications. It updates stats of old edition monsters and adds some new ones - all of this under the Necromancer Games motto "third edition rules, first edition feel".If you compare it to other publications of NG you will realize that it fits quite well with the layout of their adventures.
Of course Paizo set different graphical standards.
My guess is that there will be eventually some kind of PF monster book. And ToH I will stay what it is: a treasure trove of old edition material converted to the newest rule set. After all old edtion style monsters and adventures still seem to have quite a following.Greetings,
GüntherP.S.
Is there any ToH monster that already saw use in GMM D0 or D1?
I realize that NG sought to keep the look and feel to that of 1st edition as well as the price at an affordable cost to the consumer.I have nothing against that at all, I in fact comend them on what they have done in a field where its tough to succeed as they have. My only thought was that since there was a partnership between NG and Paizo that the two colaberate on this great product and make a super deluxe collecter version.Im just not overly fond of the art or lay out from the book, which is two things that Paizo excel at.
I'm all for an update of the ToH. I haven't bought any of the WotC Monster Manuals beyond the first because they're not remotely OGL. It would be nice to have a neat, "new" monster book - especially one that's got flumphs and dire corbies inside! Yipee!
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The razor boar from MM II is in the SRD. It took me a while to figure that out, as I was seraching for a translation for razor crows. Unfortunately MM II has not been translated (and most likely never will, as MM III has already been translated and published as MM II... confusing, isn't it?)
And yes, a print edition of the Tome of Horrors 3.5 would be on top of my To-Buy list, if i ever came out.
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The Razor Boar and the other critter (I want to call it a Manscorpion, can't remember for sure) are from the creature collection, not WotC creations. I have the CC 1-3, and enjoy them more than the MM 2-4.
I had hoped that the inclusion of the Scarred Lands critters in the MM might herald WotC deciding to highlight the 'best of the best' of other d20 companies. Silly me...
Guess it will fall to Pathfinder's use of them to do that ;-)
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The Razor Boar and the other critter (I want to call it a Manscorpion, can't remember for sure) are from the creature collection, not WotC creations. I have the CC 1-3, and enjoy them more than the MM 2-4.
I had hoped that the inclusion of the Scarred Lands critters in the MM might herald WotC deciding to highlight the 'best of the best' of other d20 companies. Silly me...
Guess it will fall to Pathfinder's use of them to do that ;-)
I fear that Paizo won't use CC 1 - 3 extensively: Someone of the staff mentioned in these boards that CC was too setting specific. I think differently, even Monsternomicon monsters could be used with only slight changes needed (if at all)... but so far ToH is set and I am looking forward to some of its monsters being used more often. :-)
Do it.
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I fear that Paizo won't use CC 1 - 3 extensively: Someone of the staff mentioned in these boards that CC was too setting specific. I think differently, even Monsternomicon monsters could be used with only slight changes needed (if at all)... but so far ToH is set and I am looking forward to some of its monsters being used more often. :-)The Razor Boar and the other critter (I want to call it a Manscorpion, can't remember for sure) are from the creature collection, not WotC creations. I have the CC 1-3, and enjoy them more than the MM 2-4.
I had hoped that the inclusion of the Scarred Lands critters in the MM might herald WotC deciding to highlight the 'best of the best' of other d20 companies. Silly me...
Guess it will fall to Pathfinder's use of them to do that ;-)
*nods* filing off the serial numbers is not to difficult for Scarred Lands, I love the Dragoneet and the face stealer. I guess the problem is, they're OOP. I do hope the writers of the Pathfinder/Gamemastery products will look at the OGL critters, and cross polinate. The face stealer is a nice change from a doppleganger. My players thought it was a doppleganger until it grappled the psychic warrior and pulled her face off. At that point everyone freaked. :-0
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I can definitely see a use for this product. Consider us strongly considering it.
Well, Erik, consider this yet another extremely interested reader willing to pay for 3.5-updated Tome of Horrors. I have abandoned use of non-WotC monsters in my campaigns because of the headache of converting many of them from 3.0, but because of Pathfinder I am looking into purchasing many of the books you will be pulling your monsters from.
That said, I'd pay well for a simply updated black-and-white treatment, and even better for a Paizo-style color version. Either one suits me fine. Hope my fellow posters and I can convince you to get this one in the works.
...but because of Pathfinder I am looking into purchasing many of the books you will be pulling your monsters from.
Some help please. Perhaps a list of products I may want to be pickcing up. Would like to plan ahead.
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Geez... I never find these things out until after the fact.
I love ToH and Nick and I used it (and ToH2) for a few of the fey on Carnival of Tears. I wished I'd known there was a revised version in .pdf first though... grumble.... I just downloaded it though and I'm psyched.
One of the other books we borrowed from is GR's Advanced Bestiary, which has a bunch of killer templates in it.
Count me as also one of those on the list of folks who'd really dig a print version of the revised TOH
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Geez... I never find these things out until after the fact.
I love ToH and Nick and I used it (and ToH2) for a few of the fey on Carnival of Tears. I wished I'd known there was a revised version in .pdf first though... grumble.... I just downloaded it though and I'm psyched.
One of the other books we borrowed from is GR's Advanced Bestiary, which has a bunch of killer templates in it.Count me as also one of those on the list of folks who'd really dig a print version of the revised TOH
... too late, not in the know of what the adventure will be exactly like, but curious: Is there a connection between your Carnival of Tears and the Carnival of Shadows and their king Jack of Tears presented in CC1 - CC3? :-)
Greetings,
Günther
I too would purchase a hardcover ToH 3.5 in a heartbeat.
The whole series of ToH books was excellent and have proven to be a good addition to my gaming library.
Dito here,
a ToH 3.5 would be a sure must-buy for me.
No that Paizo has decided to keep 3.5 alive via the Pathfinder RPG, might this still become a reality?
At this point, a Pathfinder Tome of Horrors may make the most sense. Maybe in 2010?