You misunderstand my point. I'm not blaming anyone. Spoilers don't really bother me as much as they do many other people, I've gotten used to it since I often can't keep up with things as much as some of my friends with fewer time pressures can. It's more that I was planning on catching up in the next week or two.
So I wasn't complaining that you didn't spoiler tag it, I was saying that I should remember to not hang around threads when I'm about to play catch up. Though I generally make it a habit to spoiler pretty much everything unless it's ingrained into pop culture so much that it's impossible to miss (like a certain Sith Lord being the father of a famous Jedi), but that's just me.
Darth Sidious is Anakin's father?!?
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I know man, it blew my mind too when I found out :P
You misunderstand my point. I'm not blaming anyone. Spoilers don't really bother me as much as they do many other people, I've gotten used to it since I often can't keep up with things as much as some of my friends with fewer time pressures can. It's more that I was planning on catching up in the next week or two.
So I wasn't complaining that you didn't spoiler tag it, I was saying that I should remember to not hang around threads when I'm about to play catch up. Though I generally make it a habit to spoiler pretty much everything unless it's ingrained into pop culture so much that it's impossible to miss (like a certain Sith Lord being the father of a famous Jedi), but that's just me.
Yodas father was a Sith Lord?
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Darth Sidious is Anakin's father?!?
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That... actually might be more true than you'd probably think.
Ugh, I've really gotta remember to stay out of this thread until I've had a chance to catch up on the books I've missed. Had no idea about Butters becoming a Knight.Trust me, that did not spoil the best part about that.
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That entire scene was amazing.
Right now I am most curious about the White Council. How are they going to react to the current Dresden and Molly situation? Both are now untouchable and both could be considered potential threats (although now that Molly is immortal, I imagine she is beyond their reach now)
and yeah...The White Court. They may very well be the most powerful faction around with the attrition of the White Council and the dissolution of the the Red Court. I'd love to see how the politics are playing out with them.
I think its also interesting that the Fomor have showed up in ever book post Changes I think, in at least a small role, but have yet to get a book where they are the primary antagonists. Got to believe they are building up to something with them...
That... actually might be more true than you'd probably think.Darth Sidious is Anakin's father?!?
;)
Certainly a better idea than a Force Jesus.
Certainly a better idea than a Force Jesus.That... actually might be more true than you'd probably think.Darth Sidious is Anakin's father?!?
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The speech Palpatine gave Anakin during the opera was a giant clue-by-four, IMO.
Right now I am most curious about the White Council. How are they going to react to the current Dresden and Molly situation? Both are now untouchable and both could be considered potential threats (although now that Molly is immortal, I imagine she is beyond their reach now)
and yeah...The White Court. They may very well be the most powerful faction around with the attrition of the White Council and the dissolution of the the Red Court. I'd love to see how the politics are playing out with them.
I think its also interesting that the Fomor have showed up in ever book post Changes I think, in at least a small role, but have yet to get a book where they are the primary antagonists. Got to believe they are building up to something with them...
Well, Peace Talks (the next book) features a big conference of the major supernatural powers in Chicago. You can imagine how that will go...
Well, Peace Talks (the next book) features a big conference of the major supernatural powers in Chicago. You can imagine how that will go...
I look forward to it.
It strikes me that the villains of the stories would have much better luck if they operated in NYC or Boston or LA, basically anywhere but Chicago.
Actually the Riddler is fixated on proving himself against Batman, that is why he stays in Gotham. Same for most of his villains really, they all are fixated on Batman to a degree or another. The Penguim is an exception in that he isn't insane and is more of a gangster, but then again he doesn't even have superpowers, he is just a fat, short balding man, I'm pretty sure Gotham is the only place where thugs, criminals and gangsters will take him seriously.
There are actually a good number of reasons for why all those things happen in Chicago. I will post the whole thing tomorrow.
It strikes me that the villains of the stories would have much better luck if they operated in NYC or Boston or LA, basically anywhere but Chicago.
It's been explained a couple of times in the series that Chicago is a hub of sorts where various leylines converge, and it sort of acts as a magnet for the supernatural. Also because of this the barrier between the real world and the nevernever is thinner in Chicagoland which allows various creatures/enteties to cross over more easily, and makes it easier to work certain rituals/rites which is often the goal of the bad guys.
IIRC, Chicago's actually built on or very near to a ley line nexus. That's why the Winter and Summer Courts both have a heavy presence in the city, and probably what's powering Demonreach.
The bad guys keep doing stuff in Chicago because Chicago is where really important stuff can work.
If anything, what's baffling is that Harry was the only wizard in Chicago. But there's not that many wizards to go around...
I suspect there's similar locations on other continents, but there's the matter of "who holds them?"
IIRC Demonreach is the source of one of the ley lines, instead of being powered by them.
2- Lara and the white court are actually all over America and Europe, but she has made her homebase in Chicago to keep an eye on Thomas and, like Marcone, she knows that anything that could take her down will probably have to go through Harry first.
3- Nicodemus and the nickelheads go all around the world with their schemes, the ones we see Harry foil are just a very small sample of what they do. The first time they go to Chicago is because the were after the shroud. The second time was to use Harrys connections and try to recruit Ivy. After that they keep coming back for revenge.
4- Summer and Winter are global, tough we only see european and american feys, he first meets Mab because of a coincidence, the summer knight also living in Chicago, and then faerie things kept happening in Chicago because Harry managed to get the attentions of all six queens of faerie.
5- There is a great conspiracy involving the Outsiders and trying to cause as much destruction as possible and at the same time trying to get control of the major supernatural factions. The first three books are a sample of random things they have been doing all around the world. It just happens to be that Harrys mom made sure to have his birth at the exact day and the exact hour under the right moon and the right star alignment to make him a chosen one against Outsiders. Also Harry has managed to anger to the point of irrationality every major participant of the conspiracy we've met so far. So their plots turn more and more to Chicago so they can try to kill him.
I finally read the Skin Game (and liked it although final verdict comes after second reading), but I found one thing that immediately struck me as wrong. Anna Valmont (and the rest of the Churchmice), in Death Masks were recovering the Shroud for Marcone, while here it is said they were recovering it for Nicodemus (and then tried to extract more money or something). Did anyone else notice this, and what do you make of it?
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VM, Mab knows aboutHarry because Harry's mom was number 3 in the Winter Court before she was killed When Harry was a kid. Mab considered Harry her Personal property
Long before he became the Winter Knight.
The White Council is not going to mess with Harry because he is the Winter Knight and even though they might be a little pissed at him he has not be expelled from being a warden.
Molly would plain kick all their asses except maybe black staff and ancient mai. (Who is alluded to be being a dragon)
VM, Mab knows aboutHarry because Harry's mom was number 3 in the Winter Court before she was killed When Harry was a kid. Mab considered Harry her Personal property
Long before he became the Winter Knight.The White Council is not going to mess with Harry because he is the Winter Knight and even though they might be a little pissed at him he has not be expelled from being a warden.
Molly would plain kick all their asses except maybe black staff and ancient mai. (Who is alluded to be being a dragon)
I.. Think you might be confusing Lea and Mab.
I finally read the Skin Game (and liked it although final verdict comes after second reading), but I found one thing that immediately struck me as wrong. Anna Valmont (and the rest of the Churchmice), in Death Masks were recovering the Shroud for Marcone, while here it is said they were recovering it for Nicodemus (and then tried to extract more money or something). Did anyone else notice this, and what do you make of it?
That might have had something to do with -- Actually, come to think of it, it was entirely for Marcone, wasn't it? According to Priscilla Spencer it was an accidental continuity error.
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Lea was either the half sister or the full sister of harry's mother. That's why Harry calls Lea auntie on a Rae occasion. In one book when Harry is talking to his mothers shade they talked about Lea and Mab.
I really liked the conversation between Lea and Mouse in.Mexico after Harry took out the Evil Vampires.
Lea was either the half sister or the full sister of harry's mother. That's why Harry calls Lea auntie on a Rae occasion. In one book when Harry is talking to his mothers shade they talked about Lea and Mab.
I really liked the conversation between Lea and Mouse in.Mexico after Harry took out the Evil Vampires.
Lea, or the leannán sídhe is an ancient fae beholden to Winter, one whom Margaret Dresden affiliated with. Lea dotes and hunts after Harry because of a deal he made (and later backed out of) with her before the events of the books.
Harry's mother wasn't a fae, just one who associated heavily with them (How she earned the moniker Margaret LeFay). They weren't actually relatives.
Molly would plain kick all their asses except maybe black staff and ancient mai. (Who is alluded to be being a dragon)
I thought that allusion thing was only in the TV show? Mai has a much smaller role in the books, and I can't recall any allusion to her being a dragon.
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Ancient Mai is, indeed, only implied to be a dragon in the TV series. In the books, the White Council is human wizards only, and thus a Dragon wouldn't even be allowed in it.
And, actually, Lea is looking after Harry due to a combination of a deal he made with her, and more importantly a deal she made with his mother to look out for him. But yeah, his mother wasn't Fae at all (at least not by blood), she just had allies among them.
As for whether Molly could take a member of the White Council itself...maybe (though I suspect not). She sure as hell can't take two, though.
More importantly, at this point in time picking a fight with Molly means picking a fight with Winter.
Even if the White Council member is question won (and honestly they probably would - members of the White Council are scary, and Molly's not very good at combat magic; unknown if her current status has fixed that), the real problem would be having to answer to Mab.
Even the White Council can't tell Mab to just sod off.
I finally read the Skin Game (and liked it although final verdict comes after second reading), but I found one thing that immediately struck me as wrong. Anna Valmont (and the rest of the Churchmice), in Death Masks were recovering the Shroud for Marcone, while here it is said they were recovering it for Nicodemus (and then tried to extract more money or something). Did anyone else notice this, and what do you make of it?
Yeah, it's a continuity error. Nothing to be done about it now.
Also, the Gatekeeper would be all "No, you idiots, you have no idea who you are messing with". Winter could probably stomp every opposing force at will, if they were willing to relent their watch at the Gates for a few hours. Which they are not, happy to say.
I'm going to assume every time you guys say White Council you mean Senior Council. The White Council is all the wizards, Senior Council are the most powerful / oldest.
Butcher is on record as saying that the entire White Council might be able to take Mab. Like, just Mab alone. Not any of her forces. Molly is a fraction of Mab's might, but I still would not want to put money against her for a single member of the Senior Council in a 1v1.
Maybe Gatekeeper / Merlin / Blackstaff, since the three are heavily focused on combat magics, but even then those are long odds. We've never actually seen a fae Queen cut loose though.
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With the exception of a very few days out of the year, Molly is basically immortal right? That's got to make her even more tougher to take down.
I'm pretty sure Molly's not, actually. She's almost certainly harder to kill, but she's not functionally a goddess like Mab is.
@ Peter - yeah, Senior Council. And that's interesting.
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I'm pretty sure Molly's not, actually. She's almost certainly harder to kill, but she's not functionally a goddess like Mab is.
@ Peter - yeah, Senior Council. And that's interesting.
No, Molly fully inherited the mantle of the Winter Lady. It has a different purview and power level from Mab's, but she is just as much a goddess. Maeve could only be killed special ways, and Molly got all of that.
I wouldn't pit any of the senior council against any of the fae court and expect them to come out alive, even on Halloween.
Fantastic series, Ive read most of the books twice(except for the lastest one).
So having read Death Masks I wanted to make it known that many of my reservations about sexism in the series have subsided somewhat, since it really seems to have lessened in this one. Hopefully the trend continues.
Wanted to mention this. The real interesting thing is that the blatant fanservicey bits are really just Jim Butcher charicterizing Harry. This is especially blatant if you read his other works (or stories not from Harry's personal viewpoint) which very clearly and obviously do not have anything vaguely similar in their descriptions of women.
Even funnier is if you realize that when Harry isn't getting any is when those descriptions and such get even more blatantly sexual. He's a bit of a lech is the real truth of it, though he'd blush to be called it.
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So I wonder how boring Peace Talks is going to be as Harry has to be civil to everyone.
with luck he will use his superb polite and respectful diplomatic manner and defuse a tense negotiation session by getting Marcone to go to Burger King and bring back burgers and Coke.
Fantastic series, Ive read most of the books twice(except for the lastest one).
Thrice, at least, for me. Some of them more.
So I wonder how boring Peace Talks is going to be as Harry has to be civil to everyone.
with luck he will use his superb polite and respectful diplomatic manner and defuse a tense negotiation session by getting Marcone to go to Burger King and bring back burgers and Coke.
Especially with the Mantle of the Winter Knight making him so much more diplomatic and easygoing!
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Especially with the Mantle of the Winter Knight making him so much more diplomatic and easygoing!So I wonder how boring Peace Talks is going to be as Harry has to be civil to everyone.
with luck he will use his superb polite and respectful diplomatic manner and defuse a tense negotiation session by getting Marcone to go to Burger King and bring back burgers and Coke.
Two things I'm really hoping for in Peace Talks:
Mavra being part of the "talks"...... and a scene with Butters training with the einherjar and muttering about being more careful with what he says in the future...
-TimD
Aeronaut's Windlass was a lot of fun :)
-TimD
Looking forward to it. Will be a bit before I get to it unfortunately, I'm dead in the middle of another series at the moment =)
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Aeronaut's Windlass was a lot of fun :)
-TimD
It really was. To me, the cats steal the spotlight. They are just so awesome.
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I just picked it up yesterday but haven't got around to reading it yet. I didn't even know he was working on a new series.
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Just started reading Aeronaut's Windlass and am about half way through. Cats are awesome, but my favorites so far are the Etherialists.
Never heard of Remo Williams, might have to remedy that.
Anyway, just gonna copy over my commentary from the other thread:
Airships and energy gauntlets! This is my kind of story. =DNot to mention magician who can't deal with doorknobs and talking cats. It's a great book!"Do you have anything else to add?"
"... Doorknobs are a most finicky technology."*sneeeeerrrrk*
Yeah I'm really loving this story, and especially the cast of main characters thus far. Really excited to see where Butcher takes this long-term.
So, while Peace Talks is still not done (but Jim says he wants to get it finished in September, now that he has his own house again), the second short story collection, Brief Cases, has just released. I'll probably get it on Monday, but, man, this was a large drought of Dresden Files content.
So, while Peace Talks is still not done (but Jim says he wants to get it finished in September, now that he has his own house again), the second short story collection, Brief Cases, has just released. I'll probably get it on Monday, but, man, this was a large drought of Dresden Files content.
I'm kinda pissed I have to wait a year for a paperback. Although higher price is partially an issue, it's mostly that hardbacks are really crappy for carrying around and reading in all the contorted positions I seem to find myself reading.
But as you said the Dresden Drought has lasted too long and I may just have to cave in and buy it.
I've long caved in and just bought the hardcovers as soon as they were out. Butcher deals good drugs. :p