- People complaining here are those that are getting the magazine far *earlier* than those who buy it off the stands. If you'll take a minute to look carefully, the month for issue 125 is August. It's an August issue. Most people get it in August. When an editor usually writes the word "today," he or she is under a working plan to get things ready by the time the issue is on the retail stands, not when it might go out earlier to various people. They can't promise subscription delivery times, but I've always seen them earlier than the retail stands.
- The staff are trying to get the free supplement done by 7/12, and the last time I checked, the 7 was for July. The date of 7/12 is when retailers are supposed to have it on their stands. If they get the free supplement done by 7/28, then that is still before August (an 8).
Yes, the cover says "August," but the fact is that it's hitting newsstands in July. When someone goes into his local game or book store on July 12, buys the current issue (no matter what date is on the cover, the most recent issue of a periodical is generally accepted as the "current" one, right? It's not considered an "advance copy" or something until the first of the month), reads the editorial, and sees the word "today," is he really expected to go back to check the cover date and then say to himself, "Oh, the August issue. I guess I'll wait a few weeks"? No, he's going to go online today and wonder where the article is. The article he was expecting to find today when he bought the magazine. And apparently there won't even be something in the space where the article should be that says, "Sorry, this is running a little late. Check back soon."
(Shouldn't there at least be that? Some kind of explaination on the page that's referred to in the editorial? I know there's an explaination in this thread, but why make people hunt for it who otherwise don't frequent internet message boards?)
Free supplements cost them a good deal of time and manpower, and as such they really don't have to offer them. Would you prefer to wait for your subscription until August, or until a free anything is made ready? I like getting the magazine early, I like getting the free supplements. But I'm willing to be patient for something that is free.
Like I said in my previous post, I'm perfectly okay with waiting for it myself, and I'm okay with not seeing it in the magazine. What I'm trying to do is advocate for the people who are upset at the time it's taking; I'm not upset myself, but I think someone who is upset has every reason to be.
And about how they "don't really have to offer them": In most cases, I agree. Free web supplements are a perk, and one I appreciate.
In this case, however, being that the article was already promised, it would be pretty low of Paizo not to do something. They did promise the readers that this article would be in the issue, after all. Since circumstances occurred which made that impossible or unrealistic (or could have resulted in the article just outright sucking because it was rushed), I think a free web supplement is a perfectly acceptable solution, as would be waiting and putting it in the next issue (though I have to assume that would be taking the place of some other feature, and that's probably not a vicious cycle Paizo should be entering into if they can help it). But it had damn well better show up in some form or another.
Yes, the cover says "August," but the fact is that it's hitting newsstands in July. When someone goes into his local game or book store on July 12, buys the current issue (no matter what date is on the cover, the most recent issue of a periodical is generally accepted as the "current" one, right?
Unfortunately, people have been complaining since just before the end of JUNE, when some subscribers were lucky enough to indeed get -as you say- an advance copy. And -incidentally- it's only July 9th right now, not the 12th. People with subscriptions do indeed have advance copies if they are getting them before July 12th.
And apparently there won't even be something in the space where the article should be that says, "Sorry, this is running a little late. Check back soon." (Shouldn't there at least be that? Some kind of explaination on the page that's referred to in the editorial? I know there's an explaination in this thread, but why make people hunt for it who otherwise don't frequent internet message boards?)
I think it's sufficient that more than one editor has posted here, apologizing for the delay - and given that they've offered up parts of the PDF overload early. The fact that some people keep cranking about it afterwards is just plain irritating - and no, cranky people do not deserve an eloquent advocate. Not IMHO, anyway. It just stirs them up. Advocating for cranks only serves to reinforce the "instant gratification" pull of the Internet that makes people think that everything should be in their hands yesterday. In the absence of what you can have right now, learn patience. That's the secret of life, my friend, especially when faced with things that you cannot affect in the immediate moment.
Lastly, I think it's really clear that their staff is working on it. I have good faith that it will come along, and that when it does it will be very high quality. They've said it's coming soon, so I think it's an extremely good bet that they will deliver on the PDF. Just have a little faith and some patience... (if you're not into trust by faith, you can always rely on the idiographic behavioral history of the current staff - behavior patterns never lie, and it's always been true that they do what they say).
Personally, I'm just thankful that we get these online enhancements at all. It's something the magazine doesn't have to do. I look forward to the enhancements each month though, especially the AoW ones. This extra effort from Dungeon staff is what keeps me confident that I will continue to renew my subscription for Dungeon again and again.
Rooster
It is the Online Supplements that got me to subscribe to Dungeon once again. (Which are great and getting better and better.)
But if they are discontinued, then so is my subscription. I consider the "free" online supplements to be part of my subscription.
I just started Age of Worms just this past Thursday and the info Eric posted about the Twilight Monastery and the Bronzewood Lodge came in quite handy. Thanks once again and looking forward to Overload.
Peace and smiles :)
j.
And -incidentally- it's only July 9th right now, not the 12th.
Right, but we were told earlier in this very thread that it probably won't be ready by the 12th, hence the assumption of that event (or lack thereof, rather) in my previous post.
I think it's sufficient that more than one editor has posted here, apologizing for the delay - and given that they've offered up parts of the PDF overload early.
Maybe it is. But the reference in the magazine doesn't point people to this thread, and people who don't frequent message boards might not think to search for their answers on one. It's very likely that there is already a large group of readers who checked the page they were sent to, and never saw this thread. That group will only get larger as time goes on.
Lastly, I think it's really clear that their staff is working on it. I have good faith that it will come along, and that when it does it will be very high quality. They've said it's coming soon, so I think it's an extremely good bet that they will deliver on the PDF.
I'm sure they will; nobody's saying it's not coming. My issue was with your previous statement regarding how Paizo "doesn't have to" produce online supplements. Most of the time, I'd agree with you. But in this specific instance and only this specific instance, I'd argue that they do (or at least that they need to do something). They committed to giving us this article, therefore, they have a responsibility to do so. I have no doubt that they will. They've never given me any reason to think it's not coming.
...They committed to giving us this article, therefore, they have a responsibility to do so. I have no doubt that they will. They've never given me any reason to think it's not coming.
Well then, since your issue is more with the way the editor/staff have chosen to handle something about Dungeon, I have a suggestion... write to the editor directly. Very few people who read the messageboard(s) have the means to make the change you would like. Generally, posting to a messageboard serves only a few purposes, depending upon the audience: a) to ask the readers a question that they might generally know something about, b) to offer something new in a generally constructive manner - again, to the typical reader and not the editorial board, or c) to stir up the readers... but this only serves to polarize the readers and may actually have minimal impact on the "issue" raised.
Wow, you just totally ignore everything you don't agree with, don't you?
Far from it. While everyone may be entitled to an opinion, it does not follow that all opinions are equally valid or correct. I'm not simply disagreeing or ignoring him.
He's not complaining, he's saying why someone might complain. You counter saying we should be happy to get what we get, he says "they told us we'd get it" and you say to take it up with management?
What, exactly, am I (or any other messageboard reader) supposed to do about his problem? Yes, I believe that if someone has an issue with how something is handled in the magazine they should take it up with management.
... I mean all you guys telling people to "stop whining", you do understand that the customer is entitled to what he was promised and paid for, right? Erik already apologized, acknowledging the problem, so I don't have a problem with the wait, but I'm not going to attack folks that DO have a problem with it, because they're right to keep the issue current, so it's dealt with.
What you seem to be ignoring is that the messageboards are not the best place to complain about something. If you feel that you've been mistreated in some way by an editorial / staff decision about timing or the contents of the magazine, it just *doesn't* make sense to complain about it on a messageboard. Sure, one of the editors may drop by to post something or answer a question, but the majority of the readers here can either agree or disagree... nothing more!
...That does not mean we're not entitled to what we were told we'd get and what we paid for. I mean all you guys telling people to "stop whining", you do understand that the customer is entitled to what he was promised and paid for, right?
But no one has paid for an issue of Dungeon with the expectation that Denizens of Diamond Lake was in it.
Regards,
Jack
Once again, you're telling this to people that aren't complaining. Besides the fact Erik Mona and others do actually read these threads. You're ignoring the simple fact of the actual content of the posts you're replying to.
If someone is "bemoaning the absence" of something, to use your own words below, that's a complaint. You can't say it's a complaint in one breath, and not a complaint in another.
Company Message Boards are a perfectly valid place to ask about company policies. The fact we have already gotten answers really seems to back that up. It makes perfect sense to ask about Overload, and bemoan it's absence here on the Official Boards. If you consider it whining, or out of place, perhaps you shouldn't read such threads, rather than posting to them to disparage the other posters?
People seem to post whatever they want here, but that doesn't mean it's the best place, or even an effective place, to post a complaint. But by all means, continue "bemoaning" whatever you like. I just think that if you're going to complain, then make your case to the right people in the most effective way possible.
My issue was with your previous statement regarding how Paizo "doesn't have to" produce online supplements.
Well then, since your issue is more with the way the editor/staff have chosen to handle something about Dungeon, I have a suggestion...
Wow, you just totally ignore everything you don't agree with, don't you?
I'll just point out for -- what? The third time? -- that I personally have no problem at all with the way this is being handled on Paizo's end; I'm just trying to convey that I think the people who are upset by the situation are in no way in the wrong for feeling that way, nor for voicing their displeasure.
...This is what I mean by "ignoring the actual content", you don't read what is written, before assuming we're complaining and/or bemoaning. Then you attack based on your own misconceptions.
Fine, the "misconceptions" are all mine - have a nice life.
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Okay everyone... play nice!
Posting questions and comments to these messageboards is a perfect way to get feedback or concerns to the editors. In fact, that's most of the reason they're here, as far as I'm concerned.
As for reasons WHY Overload isn't out yet, or WHY it's not in issue #125, well there are lots. Here are some.
1: Not everyone who reads the magazine is running Age of Worms. Not everyone who reads the magazine LIKES Age of Worms. The Adventure path takes up a significant portion of the magazine, and it will keep doing so until next summer. We have to balance the AoW stuff with the non, and putting in an extra 30 pages of background material would certainly mean the loss of one or both the other adventures. That can't happen. Therefore, if we have 30 pages of background material that can't fit into any issue, the best we can do is do it as a web enhancement.
2: Even if it DOES go online as a web enhancement, we treat it as if it were going into print. That means the words need to be developed, edited, designed, laid out, proofed, flowed, and packaged. And art has to be put in there. Since the magazine comes out every month, we pretty much have a finite amount of time each month to edit, which means we can pretty much edit/lay out, say, 50,000 words a month. When you add a 30 page PDF to the mix, that's an additional 20,000 or so words to deal with. We take care of those in the gaps (some folk call them weekends) between working on the rest of the magazine, so it naturally takes a lot longer to get them ready for print.
3: Other things are going on too. Not counting personal time off to eat or sleep or play Jade Empire or World of Warcraft or D&D or whatever... there's a second magazine constantly clamoring for attention. Plus products like the Shackled City hardcover and the minis line. And on top of that... we're hip-deep in convention season. Erik was out at Origins all last week, so that meant that Jeremy and James Sutter and I had to do more work on the magazine than normal, which meant less time to prepare Overload.
In closing, I just want to thank everyone for being patient and understanding about the realities of producing online supplements for the magazine. We will release Overload. We promised it, and there's no turning back. The words exist; I've read them. We originally wanted to get it online by Tuesday (the 12th) but that may or may not happen. Chances are fairly good we'll get it online by this Friday. But then, a lot can happen between now and Friday.
I'm thinking that by the time we start Adventure Path III, we'll probably have all this logistical stuff worked out, though. That Adventure Path'll run smooth as silk!
Blizz,
I think they are working on it, and since 125 was just released at newsstands and such, I would hope it will be out in a couple of days.
Actually, I completely understand. My comment was completely directed at the person who essentially said "you should be glad for the free material" implying we shouldn't expect it.
They're backed up and it's understandable that it's late. It's also understandable that they want to keep the product oriented deadlines as the priority.
I completely understand Paizo's position. The only thing I'd change would be their implication that the supplement was online in the Dungeon (and I think, in retrospect, they would, too).
Thanks you so much Mr. Jacobs, that really helped clear up some stuff. Mayby now there will be less whining. Anyway, its going to come out any day now and boy am I happy.
Wow. Such heated comments and fun comments. I have been using the first of the modules with my players and it was a hit! I did some mods too it for my campaign (a stand alone world I created). I can't wait until you release the free info:) Would we find it in the downloads or will you announce it on the front of the piazo web site?
Also, how many modules are you going to create for this series? Will it be around the same as Cauldron?
Let me know. Thanks for all the great work!
Mr. Jacobs,
You have to know that a lot of gamers can be like the kid in the toystore. They want the new things NOW! Hee Hee. And, I find about 45% of the gamers are arrogant and thinks the world revolves around them (sorry if I offend any of you). I know you are doing your best. Let it be known, many of us appreciate the time and efforts your staff puts into the Dungeon Magazines. You make our DM lives easier by it:)
Can I throw a suggestion in (please take it or leave it as you wish). I like most of the modules you put into the mags. However, I am not too impressed with the "quickie" adventures. They leave some to be desired. Please continue the Cauldron style, AoW style, and the others like them. Those show the talent of the team:)
Thanks again!
Ric
...They committed to giving us this article, therefore, they have a responsibility to do so. I have no doubt that they will. They've never given me any reason to think it's not coming.
Weeeeelllll....There once was a comment in the page from the editor a while back about updating all the previous adventures in DUNGEON to 3ed...
I could go look up the issue ;-)
That being said, I'll gladly wait for a quality product, which is what I'm sure is what we will be seeing shortly.
Keep up the good work!
ASEO out
Thanks you so much Mr. Jacobs, that really helped clear up some stuff. Mayby now there will be less whining. Anyway, its going to come out any day now and boy am I happy.
This is the internet. The whining, whether it is justified or not, will never stop.
As much as I can't wait for AoW Overload to come out, I'd rather you take your time and do it right than do a rush job.
First of all i play the Age Of Worms, and its a great start to a most memorable game, but i think i'll put my 2 cents in. I reilize that everyone there @ dungeon puts alot of hard work into the mag. and thanks, but i belive a little foresight would have been nice in this instance.
1st. Waited an extra mth. to release AoW (to get all your ducks in a row, so-to-speak.)
2nd. Put out the dragon with the cottage in it the mth. prevously to AoW, (becuse i, and i assume others, told people they could "fix it up" but had no idea what was involved).
3rd. The overload; i dont know if this was a whim or not, if not should have been out corasponding to the 1st.adventure, if it was a whim then it is what it is. (Although that is one of the reasons i said to release AoW a month later.)
4th.I dont remember what the "posters" name above me was but he mentioned that adding this stuff is not easy or cheap, but in the end these kind of things are to drive up sales because thats what keeps a mag. in busness, subscribers, and any incentive to get someone to "shell-out" 10-20 bucks a mth. for two mags, plus another 20-50 depending if your hunting for a greyhawk mag, or like me, planning to buy the Waterdeep book is not all that much trouble in my mind anywho!
But, i'll still keep buying and reading and unfortunatly writing about what i'm buying and reading.
For all those complaining, try to put yourself in the Dungeon staff's shoes. They have lives outside of work, family, friends, etc. They seem to work really hard and have apologized for being swamped with work.
Its like when the customers are piling into your store and slamming the registers. Everyone wants their supersize fries now, but even though you have every basket in the fryer, you're out of fries. You're so busy that you can't remember which one went in first, let alone how soon they'll come up, so you tell each customer their fries will be ready "soon." You could pull a basket out that looks almost done before the timer goes off so you can meet everyone's demand, but then you risk giving a whole bunch of people lousy under-cooked fries. You appreciate the patient customers much more than those complaining about the wait, don't you?
For all those complaining, try to put yourself in the Dungeon staff's shoes. They have lives outside of work, family, friends, etc. They seem to work really hard and have apologized for being swamped with work.
Its like when the customers are piling into your store and slamming the registers. Everyone wants their supersize fries now, but even though you have every basket in the fryer, you're out of fries. You're so busy that you can't remember which one went in first, let alone how soon they'll come up, so you tell each customer their fries will be ready "soon." You could pull a basket out that looks almost done before the timer goes off so you can meet everyone's demand, but then you risk giving a whole bunch of people lousy under-cooked fries. You appreciate the patient customers much more than those complaining about the wait, don't you?
I knew I should have tried a supersize allegory! ;-)
Thanks you so much Mr. Jacobs, that really helped clear up some stuff. Mayby now there will be less whining. Anyway, its going to come out any day now and boy am I happy.This is the internet. The whining, whether it is justified or not, will never stop.
Sad, but you are right. There are lots of jerks out there.
I knew I should have tried a supersize allegory! ;-)
I had fun with it.
Thanks again Erik and James! Waiting patiently for the fries,...er DLO.
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For all those complaining, try to put yourself in the Dungeon staff's shoes. They have lives outside of work, family, friends, etc. T
Not all of us do, I assure you.
Basically, I bit off more than I could chew with this Overload thing, and didn't account for things like finishing the Shackled City book and Origins in my original estimate of how long it would take to complete.
So everyone who's yelling, kindly stop yelling at each other and start yelling at me.
I'm sure it'll make me work faster. ;)
--Erik Mona
Editor-in-Chief
Dragon & Dungeon
So everyone who's yelling, kindly stop yelling at each other and start yelling at me.I'm sure it'll make me work faster. ;)
--Erik Mona
Editor-in-Chief
Dragon & Dungeon
OK, but I won't yell, just ask. Any plans of including a "Getting the Palyers Involved" section in Overload for the Complete series base classes? :)
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First of all i play the Age Of Worms, and its a great start to a most memorable game, but i think i'll put my 2 cents in. I reilize that everyone there @ dungeon puts alot of hard work into the mag. and thanks, but i belive a little foresight would have been nice in this instance.
1st. Waited an extra mth. to release AoW (to get all your ducks in a row, so-to-speak.)
2nd. Put out the dragon with the cottage in it the mth. prevously to AoW, (becuse i, and i assume others, told people they could "fix it up" but had no idea what was involved).
3rd. The overload; i dont know if this was a whim or not, if not should have been out corasponding to the 1st.adventure, if it was a whim then it is what it is. (Although that is one of the reasons i said to release AoW a month later.)
4th.I dont remember what the "posters" name above me was but he mentioned that adding this stuff is not easy or cheap, but in the end these kind of things are to drive up sales because thats what keeps a mag. in busness, subscribers, and any incentive to get someone to "shell-out" 10-20 bucks a mth. for two mags, plus another 20-50 depending if your hunting for a greyhawk mag, or like me, planning to buy the Waterdeep book is not all that much trouble in my mind anywho!
But, i'll still keep buying and reading and unfortunatly writing about what i'm buying and reading.
Tony essentially nails why a number of us "whiners" are kind of upset about this whole thing. There was a good chunk of time between the end of Shackled City and the release of Age of Worms where many of us were sitting on the boards discussiong how the next AP could be made better and be streamlined and it seemed that the editors were very interested in our opinions. Now we are two installments in and it still feels kind of chunky with the info we are getting about the setting. I want to point out that I'm very happy with how Whispering Cairn turned out (I'm still moving through installment 2 so no final opinion there yet) and was enthralled by the Diamond Lake overview. It just gives the feeling of more being bit off then could be chewed. The editiors have for the most part admitted that this was the case and its all settled. I'm just trying to explain to those that are shouting at us whiners, why some of us started complaining in the first place. Lets see if this Friday deadline actually is met.
...They committed to giving us this article, therefore, they have a responsibility to do so. I have no doubt that they will. They've never given me any reason to think it's not coming.
Weeeeelllll....There once was a comment in the page from the editor a while back about updating all the previous adventures in DUNGEON to 3ed...
If I'm remembering that comment right, it was something along the lines of, "I think maybe we could see fit to update some old adventures to 3e, if the demand is there. Which ones would everyone like to see, if we decide to do this at all?"
In the case of the AoW Overload, we were told, essentially, "This will be in next month's issue!"
Slight difference there.
I see Paizo took someone's advice and put up a link to the Age of Worms Overload under Dungeon Mag Resources with a message saying that it is estimated to be up Friday.
I see Paizo took someone's advice and put up a link to the Age of Worms Overload under Dungeon Mag Resources with a message saying that it is estimated to be up Friday.
Yeah...was anyone else fooled by that? I saw it, and gasped in shock and delight, thinking, "It's not supposed to be ready until Friday!" Clicking on the link revealed it to be nothing but a cruel tease. I guess it keeps the oblivious plebs from starting another 10 threads titled "Where is AoW Overload?" but shame on you, Robert Head, for teasing me!
I see Paizo took someone's advice and put up a link to the Age of Worms Overload under Dungeon Mag Resources with a message saying that it is estimated to be up Friday.Yeah...was anyone else fooled by that? I saw it, and gasped in shock and delight, thinking, "It's not supposed to be ready until Friday!" Clicking on the link revealed it to be nothing but a cruel tease. I guess it keeps the oblivious plebs from starting another 10 threads titled "Where is AoW Overload?" but shame on you, Robert Head, for teasing me!
Yep...
Yep...I see Paizo took someone's advice and put up a link to the Age of Worms Overload under Dungeon Mag Resources with a message saying that it is estimated to be up Friday.Yeah...was anyone else fooled by that? I saw it, and gasped in shock and delight, thinking, "It's not supposed to be ready until Friday!" Clicking on the link revealed it to be nothing but a cruel tease. I guess it keeps the oblivious plebs from starting another 10 threads titled "Where is AoW Overload?" but shame on you, Robert Head, for teasing me!
Ditto.
yes
I see Paizo took someone's advice and put up a link to the Age of Worms Overload under Dungeon Mag Resources with a message saying that it is estimated to be up Friday.
Yeah...was anyone else fooled by that? I saw it, and gasped in shock and delight, thinking, "It's not supposed to be ready until Friday!" Clicking on the link revealed it to be nothing but a cruel tease. I guess it keeps the oblivious plebs from starting another 10 threads titled "Where is AoW Overload?" but shame on you, Robert Head, for teasing me!
It got me, too, but I still think it's a good idea to have it there. Should cut down on the confusion for the general public and non-message-board crowd.
Must... have... Age... of... Worms... Overload...
Must... have... Age... of... Worms... Overload...
One more day! (I hope)
This tread truly astounds me. Has anyone stopped to think that this is a FREE supplement to the adventure path? If this was Wizards they would sell it for somewhere between $10.00 to 20.00 dollars. Also it is a fairly consistent truth in this world that if you make the online supplements too much of a pain in the ass for the editors they will simply stop making them. I personally am thrilled with the prospect of 30!!! pages of background information on the campaign. This will go a LONG way to help continuity in a campaign if you line your ducks in a row at the start. I have personally held off starting the campaign until I get a better picture of where the campaign is going so as to add more foreshadowing through out the campaign. So in closing I will sum up my post. Be careful that your b&$~$ing doesn’t backfire on you and produce the result of no future supplements. That would be a major loss to all. To the editors and staff, please keep up the good work.
Oh man, once I wake up in the morning, I shall find the AOTW SUPPLEMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HUZA!
This tread truly astounds me. Has anyone stopped to think that this is a FREE supplement to the adventure path?
Keep in mind that the reason it's being offered as a FREE supplement is that it was supposed to be a normal article, but it got cut because some of the other material ran over its word-count limit. And if all had gone as promised in last month's issue, it would have been printed out for us, in someone else's ink, on nice, glossy, magazine-grade paper, in this month's issue, which most of the people complaining have already paid for (whether by buying a subscription or by purchasing the issue individually) -- most of whom fully expected to find the article within, and instead were directed to the website, so that if they have internet access (keep in mind, for instance, the number of troops stationed overseas who write to Dungeon to express their appreciation for it), they can download what I assume is a fairly large file, then print it out their own damn selves (and have you seen how much the average inkjet cartridge costs?). And when they go to the page referenced, it isn't even there.
Nope. No reason to complain here.
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This tread truly astounds me. Has anyone stopped to think that this is a FREE supplement to the adventure path?Keep in mind that the reason it's being offered as a FREE supplement is that it was supposed to be a normal article, but it got cut because some of the other material ran over its word-count limit. And if all had gone as promised in last month's issue, it would have been printed out for us, in someone else's ink, on nice, glossy, magazine-grade paper, in this month's issue, which most of the people complaining have already paid for (whether by buying a subscription or by purchasing the issue individually) -- most of whom fully expected to find the article within, and instead were directed to the website, so that if they have internet access (keep in mind, for instance, the number of troops stationed overseas who write to Dungeon to express their appreciation for it), they can download what I assume is a fairly large file, then print it out their own damn selves (and have you seen how much the average inkjet cartridge costs?). And when they go to the page referenced, it isn't even there.
Nope. No reason to complain here.
What he said.
Yeah...was anyone else fooled by that? I saw it, and gasped in shock and delight, thinking, "It's not supposed to be ready until Friday!" Clicking on the link revealed it to be nothing but a cruel tease. I guess it keeps the oblivious plebs from starting another 10 threads titled "Where is AoW Overload?" but shame on you, Robert Head, for teasing me!
Guilty, your honor!
- rob
Nope. No reason to complain here.
I agree, there truly is no reason to complain.
God! This thing is coming out today and I can't wait for it. Not only because of the content, but also because it will probably mean that this thread will slowly die...
Bocklin
God! This thing is coming out today and I can't wait for it. Not only because of the content, but also because it will probably mean that this thread will slowly die...
Bocklin
Mmmm...can't wait until this thread dies.
Oh yeah, Overload will be nice too!
God! This thing is coming out today and I can't wait for it. Not only because of the content, but also because it will probably mean that this thread will slowly die...
Bocklin
Mmmm...can't wait until this thread dies.
Oh yeah, Overload will be nice too!
My printer is already warming up....
This thread needs to die......slowly......but I guess it will have a hollywood ending => the thread dies and then is brought back to life by someone who wants to rave about the wonderful content.
DON'T!
Start a new thread!