Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Core Rulebook (OGL)

dm4hire wrote:

Hobbun wrote:

So what printing is the book on now? I just ordered mine this week and should be receiving it tomorrow. And is there any errata updates in the current books being sold now, or is it still too early?

Depending on the vedor's stock, it should be either first or second print.

If you ordered through Paizo, it should be the second printing.

If you end up with the first printing, you can always download the errata. This should also be updated when the third printing is done... But I don't want to make promises for Paizo.

You are correct on all counts!

Hesitant to lay out $50 for this book, I finally did & couldn't be happier. Convinced my D&D 4E group to give it a whirl and in one session we are converts, felt like the old days.

Thanks Paizo

dm4hire wrote:

Depending on the vedor's stock, it should be either first or second print.

If you ordered through Paizo, it should be the second printing.

If you end up with the first printing, you can always download the errata. This should also be updated when the third printing is done... But I don't want to make promises for Paizo.

Looks like I did get a 2nd printing as the errata is in the book. I am up to date, at least for now. Now, do you (to Paizo) plan to release updated errata (if needed) when a new printing is released? Or was it something you only planned to do for the first printing? Like for example, when the 3rd printing hits the shelves, will you update the errata to reflect any errors that may be found in the 2nd printing?

Hesitant to lay out $50 for this book, I finally did & couldn't be happier. Convinced my D&D 4E group to give it a whirl and in one session we are converts, felt like the old days.

Thanks Paizo

That's great to hear. My DM came over yesterday to check out my core book and he loves a lot of the changes and tweaks Paizo has done. The problem isn't convincing him, but the rest of our group.

To be honest, there is really only one person in our group where I think may be an issue. She would have an issue with the money cost in updating (and rightfully so as she is out of work) but that can be resolved as I was thinking about getting the core book as a belated birthday gift.

What I am concerned with is she is one person who doesn't like the extra detail 3.5 gives over 4.0. I feel she would like the more stripped down rules of 4.0 (and not trying to bash it, just stating truth). She likes things more simple, so we'll see how it goes. We're getting together today and the DM and I will bring up the idea in trying out PF.

Now, do you (to Paizo) plan to release updated errata (if needed) when a new printing is released? Or was it something you only planned to do for the first printing? Like for example, when the 3rd printing hits the shelves, will you update the errata to reflect any errors that may be found in the 2nd printing?

When we release the third printing of the Core Rulebook, we'll provide two errata PDFs: one that covers the changes from 1st to 3rd printing, and one that covers the changes from 2nd to 3rd printing. Thus, regardless of which printing you have, there will be one consolidated errata PDF for you.

We'll also have an errata PDF for the Bestiary as soon as we release the 2nd printing of that book.

Anybody who has purchased full a PDF of either of those books will be able to download a revised PDF of the complete latest printing at no additional charge.

(At this time, we can't say when either of those new printings will be released, but they are in process.)

So the rumor is that the third reprint of the Core Rulebook will be at Paizo within a week. So will the Errata 1.3 be available at that time?

So the rumor is that the third reprint of the Core Rulebook will be at Paizo within a week. So will the Errata 1.3 be available at that time?

The plan has always been to release a new errata when the new printing is available.

Andrew Phillips wrote:

So the rumor is that the third reprint of the Core Rulebook will be at Paizo within a week. So will the Errata 1.3 be available at that time?

The plan has always been to release a new errata when the new printing is available.

Sweet, now to squirrel away enough cash to get the new printing to replace my first printing copy.

And we are officially out of the 2nd printing of the Pathfinder Core Rulebook! Woot! Third printing should be here in a few weeks, so hang in there! Thanks to everyone for making Pathfinder a resounding success!

-Lisa

far out!!!

And we are officially out of the 2nd printing of the Pathfinder Core Rulebook! Woot! Third printing should be here in a few weeks, so hang in there! Thanks to everyone for making Pathfinder a resounding success!

-Lisa

So that means technically you have sold out of the core rule book twice. Yeah i know the 3rd printing is on the way but it is not their yet and you are out of 2nd printing ones. Congratulations.

Happy 3rd Print Run Birthday!

Well congratulations on the successful sales!

Now does anyone know what new errata has been discovered (and will be added) for the 3rd printing? I ask because I know I have a 2nd printing and wonder how minor (or hopefully not major) the errata is between the 2nd and 3rd printings.

And furthermore, is there an indicator which printing the book is? I guess that the first printing does not have any, but 2nd and subsequent printings?

Oh, and: Congratulations! So far, Pathfinder is a success, and I hope it stays that way - I´m doing my part, as anybody can tell from my tags.

Stefan

Yup, at the bottom of the credits page, just above "Printed in China."

Well congratulations on the successful sales!

Now does anyone know what new errata has been discovered (and will be added) for the 3rd printing? I ask because I know I have a 2nd printing and wonder how minor (or hopefully not major) the errata is between the 2nd and 3rd printings.

We'll be publishing two errata PDFs soon: one that covers all of the changes since the 2nd printing, and one that covers all of the changes since the 1st printing—so whichever edition you have, you'll only need one document to be up-to-date.

Wow... congratulations! I'm not really surprised, since ICV2 listed Pathfinder as the #2 game in its Q3 and Q4 reports. And those charts are based on interviews with retailers, distributors... they do not (to my understanding) include sales via Amazon or Paizo's own store. :)

Oh, and: Congratulations! So far, Pathfinder is a success, and I hope it stays that way - I´m doing my part, as anybody can tell from my tags.

+2 :)

I had a suggestion regarding the spell "Create Water." I know that there's an entire "Thread" (is that the right word?) for it, but I wanted to make the following suggestion as an actual change to the core rules.

As Paizo decided that "Create Water" is a 0-level spell instead of a 1st-level spell, the Effect should be changed to a static number, such as: "Creates 1 gallon of water."

My reasoning is that while 0-level spells often have variable ranges and durations, their effects are pretty much set. This would bring it in line with other 0-level spells.

Not sure where to post errata but here is what i have found that needs some correction.:

bardic music has been changed to bardic performance under bard class however in the prestige classes specifically the pathfinder chronicler it is called bardic music. and states on page 390 "at 3rd level a pathfinder chronicler gains this ability which functions like the bard class feature of the same name."

Problem is that there is no longer a bardic music class feature.

Please post questions or comments about specific rules in the approrpriate Pathfinder RPG area of the messageboards. (Otherwise, this thread will be a million pages long.)

This is a question for those who have the 3rd printing AND a 1st printing. Or maybe I should say specifically those who have a 1st printing with binding problems.

How is the binding in the 3rd printing?

My binding started to fail after a very small amount of use and now I don't let anyone touch it, which is a little unpleasant when I GM PFS.

We have updated the PDF of the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Core Rulebook.

The PDF now incorporates all current errata to correspond to the third printing of the hardcover.

Errata to the previous versions of the book have also been released on the Pathfinder RPG Resources Page.

To verify the version you have, please view the credits page. If the bottom of the page reads 'Third Printing, April 2010', you already have the most recent version.

Those of you who have access to the PDF may download the updated version for free here. (If the file shows that it has already been personalized, you'll need to repersonalize it before you can download the new version.)

Also, paizo.com orders for the Core Rulebook are now being fulfilled with copies from the third printing.

Those of you who have access to the PDF may download the updated version for free here. (If the file shows that it has already been personalized, you'll need to repersonalize it before you can download the new version.)

I'm not certain if this is important to note (unfortunately I didn't pay much attention to the first or second printing I downloaded, and my NAS is unavailable for now to double check), but the "one file per chapter" version is more than twice the size of the single file version.

Without the past to reference, that suggests to me that something is wrong.

But that could just be the way it is supposed to be.

I'm not certain if this is important to note (unfortunately I didn't pay much attention to the first or second printing I downloaded, and my NAS is unavailable for now to double check), but the "one file per chapter" version is more than twice the size of the single file version.

Without the past to reference, that suggests to me that something is wrong.

But that could just be the way it is supposed to be.

Due to the way that we had to make the revisions, both the one-file-per-chapter and the all-in-one versions are each a few percent larger than the previous editions, but the one-file-per-chapter version is always going to be much bigger than the single-file version. The one-file-per-chapter version is able to include certain resources (like page backgrounds and fonts) only once, whereas they have to be included in each file in the per-chapter version. Also, the PDF format is pretty bloaty, and when that overhead is multiplied by 23 files, it gets big.

I'd also really like to hear the answer to Andrew's question. My Core Rulebook is also first edition and the binding is a little shaky. If Paizo can confirm that something was done to fix the First Edition bindy issue I would consider buying a new third printing as a replacement

Thanks!!

I'd also really like to hear the answer to Andrew's question. My Core Rulebook is also first edition and the binding is a little shaky. If Paizo can confirm that something was done to fix the First Edition bindy issue I would consider buying a new third printing as a replacement

Thanks!!

I can tell you that the third printing was done with a different printer. However, I can tell you that there isn't a binding issue that we were dealing with. Based on the complaints we have had over core rulebook bindings, I would estimate the problems at way less than 1% of all books. Which is fairly statistically insignificant. As I said in a previous thread, this is a big book and not every binding is going to be 100% the same as the previous because of printer variances during the binding process. Also, there are climatic issues that can affect the glue in bindings. Things like humidity, temperature and other factors can loosen a binding. Of all the books at Paizo, only one of mine has a loose binding and that one was knocked off the table and landed on its spine.

So long story short, as far as we can tell, there isn't a binding issue endemic to the core rulebook. However, we do have a new printer and that means a slightly different binding since all printers vary from each other. Whether that means you will have better luck with your binding if you buy a new copy or not, I have no way of knowing.

-Lisa

Marc Radle wrote:

I'd also really like to hear the answer to Andrew's question. My Core Rulebook is also first edition and the binding is a little shaky. If Paizo can confirm that something was done to fix the First Edition bindy issue I would consider buying a new third printing as a replacement

Thanks!!

I can tell you that the third printing was done with a different printer. However, I can tell you that there isn't a binding issue that we were dealing with. Based on the complaints we have had over core rulebook bindings, I would estimate the problems at way less than 1% of all books. Which is fairly statistically insignificant. As I said in a previous thread, this is a big book and not every binding is going to be 100% the same as the previous because of printer variances during the binding process. Also, there are climatic issues that can affect the glue in bindings. Things like humidity, temperature and other factors can loosen a binding. Of all the books at Paizo, only one of mine has a loose binding and that one was knocked off the table and landed on its spine.

So long story short, as far as we can tell, there isn't a binding issue endemic to the core rulebook. However, we do have a new printer and that means a slightly different binding since all printers vary from each other. Whether that means you will have better luck with your binding if you buy a new copy or not, I have no way of knowing.

-Lisa

I like this answer / statement.

I have two of the first books and no issue.

Sean

Ok to revise my question and bump this thread, do any of the 1% whose 1st printing of the PRPG binding failed have a copy of the 3rd printing and if so how does the binding compare?

Marc Radle wrote:

I'd also really like to hear the answer to Andrew's question. My Core Rulebook is also first edition and the binding is a little shaky. If Paizo can confirm that something was done to fix the First Edition bindy issue I would consider buying a new third printing as a replacement

Thanks!!

I can tell you that the third printing was done with a different printer. However, I can tell you that there isn't a binding issue that we were dealing with. Based on the complaints we have had over core rulebook bindings, I would estimate the problems at way less than 1% of all books. Which is fairly statistically insignificant. As I said in a previous thread, this is a big book and not every binding is going to be 100% the same as the previous because of printer variances during the binding process. Also, there are climatic issues that can affect the glue in bindings. Things like humidity, temperature and other factors can loosen a binding. Of all the books at Paizo, only one of mine has a loose binding and that one was knocked off the table and landed on its spine.

So long story short, as far as we can tell, there isn't a binding issue endemic to the core rulebook. However, we do have a new printer and that means a slightly different binding since all printers vary from each other. Whether that means you will have better luck with your binding if you buy a new copy or not, I have no way of knowing.

-Lisa

I haven't had any issues with binding, but as I reported the covers on my copies of the Bestiary and Core Rulebook began to "warp".

It may be in part due to the glue reacting to climatic factors, but I think the main reason for this is that the grain direction of the covers is not parallel to the spine. Now, just as paper, cardboard tends to expand more across the grain than with it and this results in the covers "warping" as they expand (and this might also loosen the binding, although I haven't yet experienced it with my books). This is made worse by climatic factors such as humidity.

Fortunately this is not a common problem in the book industry, but I've seen it happen from time to time.

Lisa Stevens wrote:

Marc Radle wrote:

I'd also really like to hear the answer to Andrew's question. My Core Rulebook is also first edition and the binding is a little shaky. If Paizo can confirm that something was done to fix the First Edition bindy issue I would consider buying a new third printing as a replacement

Thanks!!

I can tell you that the third printing was done with a different printer. However, I can tell you that there isn't a binding issue that we were dealing with. Based on the complaints we have had over core rulebook bindings, I would estimate the problems at way less than 1% of all books. Which is fairly statistically insignificant. As I said in a previous thread, this is a big book and not every binding is going to be 100% the same as the previous because of printer variances during the binding process. Also, there are climatic issues that can affect the glue in bindings. Things like humidity, temperature and other factors can loosen a binding. Of all the books at Paizo, only one of mine has a loose binding and that one was knocked off the table and landed on its spine.

So long story short, as far as we can tell, there isn't a binding issue endemic to the core rulebook. However, we do have a new printer and that means a slightly different binding since all printers vary from each other. Whether that means you will have better luck with your binding if you buy a new copy or not, I have no way of knowing.

-Lisa

I haven't had any issues with binding, but as I reported the covers on my copies of the Bestiary and Core Rulebook began to "warp".

It may be in part due to the glue reacting to climatic factors, but I think the main reason for this is that the grain direction of the covers is not parallel to the spine. Now, just as paper, cardboard tends to expand more across the grain than with it and this results in the covers "warping" as they expand (and this might also loosen the binding, although I haven't yet experienced it with my books)....

Ahhhh yes the warped covers....

I have not had a binding issue but all the hard cover books so far have had the warped covers. As well as the ones I see in stores after awhile.

Of course I live in Alaska so not sure if its cold affecting the covers. One would think that it would be heat that would make them expand like that and warp not coldness.

That is one thing that kept a few people purchasing up here as far as I can tell. Warped covers in the store....

Sean

Ahhhh yes the warped covers....

I have not had a binding issue but all the hard cover books so far have had the warped covers. As well as the ones I see in stores after awhile.

Of course I live in Alaska so not sure if its cold affecting the covers. One would think that it would be heat that would make them expand like that and warp not coldness.

That is one thing that kept a few people purchasing up here as far as I can tell. Warped covers in the store....

Sean

Well I have no problem with warped covers :\

Just interested on when we can see more of these released? The hardest part of getting more people involved in Pathfinder Society at my FLGS is the lack of Core rulebooks. Our local distributors have this on back order almost constantly, and they sell out as fast as they come in!

Just interested on when we can see more of these released? The hardest part of getting more people involved in Pathfinder Society at my FLGS is the lack of Core rulebooks. Our local distributors have this on back order almost constantly, and they sell out as fast as they come in!

The third printing is going out right now, as is my understanding. It should be available very soon.

Any news on these binding problems? Will the third printing solve this? If it's been asked before, answer again please.

Any news on these binding problems? Will the third printing solve this? If it's been asked before, answer again please.

If I recall correctly....

Short answer: Maybe.

Longer answer: It was estimated that the vast majority of the Core Rulebooks in previous printings had no binding problems and that they were random aberrations rather than a problem with the printing as a whole.
But, the third printing does use a different printer. It is unknown if the number of books with problems will be even less or more than in previous printings until after the books are printed and used.

Anyone know how to tell what printing of the core rulebook you have?

Anyone know how to tell what printing of the core rulebook you have?

The page with the credits at the bottom should tell you which printing and printing date for the specific book.

I can tell you that the third printing was done with a different printer.

Hi Lisa - Thanks for the insight on that, as I was wondering where the differences I was seeing had come from. I have a second printing of the core rulebook and the third printing seems to have a slightly different color hue throughout. Mine appears to be "warmer" which I personally prefer and matches the Bestiary and GameMastery Guide. The third printing also has standard paper on the inside and back covers rather than the glossy stock. Nevertheless, these are just nits and otherwise it is a beautiful book and should be on any respectable gamer's bookshelf.

Remember to vote for Pathfinder Core Rulebook for Best Interior Art & Best Production Value!

Also, vote for Pathfinder for Best Game & Product of the Year!

And don't forget to vote for Mark Green for 2011 ENnies Judge!

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My local store ordered some, but could they already be out of stock??? That's the answer he got!

There's no use in having only the bestiary!

Fred

My local store ordered some, but could they already be out of stock??? That's the answer he got!

There's no use in having only the bestiary!

Fred

It shouldn't be, they recently sent out the 3rd printing.

Love this book, but quick question - any way to tell what printing I have (w/out having to check against the errata)? Is the printing denoted anywhere in the rulebook?

Love this book, but quick question - any way to tell what printing I have (w/out having to check against the errata)? Is the printing denoted anywhere in the rulebook?

The printing is marked on the bottom of the Credits page.

Concordia wrote:

My local store ordered some, but could they already be out of stock??? That's the answer he got!

There's no use in having only the bestiary!

Fred

It shouldn't be, they recently sent out the 3rd printing.

To confirm, I would assume the third printing is out now for this? Has anyone ordered from Amazon and received third printing copies?

I am thinking about replacing mine as my first Core Rulebook was signed at GenCon. However, if I am going to replace it, would like to make sure I have the updated errata.

Dark_Mistress wrote:

Concordia wrote:

My local store ordered some, but could they already be out of stock??? That's the answer he got!

There's no use in having only the bestiary!

Fred

It shouldn't be, they recently sent out the 3rd printing.

To confirm, I would assume the third printing is out now for this? Has anyone ordered from Amazon and received third printing copies?

I am thinking about replacing mine as my first Core Rulebook was signed at GenCon. However, if I am going to replace it, would like to make sure I have the updated errata.

The third printing is out and we have been shipping it into distribution. If you buy a Core Rulebook directly from Paizo, you will get a Third Printing. If you purchase it elsewhere, it is likely you will receive a third printing, however, it is possible that some older stock still exists in distribution or on store shelves, so receiving a previous printing is not impossible.

Ok, thanks!

And sorry for asking about the Amazon question, but I just bought a Core Rulebook for a friend, and going to be buying another one for another friend and then the one for myself. I just started up a Campaign Setting subscription and finally I also have bought a bunch of the supplemental guides, so I am supporting you!

Has anyone noticed that the PDFs don't display correctly on iPad? The capital A used in the headings doesn't show and the other letters are mispositioned around its spot. Tried with GoodReader and iBooks. Also tried on MacBook pro and had the same problem. Looks fine on my windows readers.

I am seeing this issue with all of the PDFs I have purchased from Paizo.

Any ideas?

And sorry for asking about the Amazon question, but I just bought a Core Rulebook for a friend, and going to be buying another one for another friend and then the one for myself.

Be sure to post back if the copy you order at Amazon.com ends up being a 3rd printing. I'm thinking about buying another copy for my group, too.

Has anyone noticed that the PDFs don't display correctly on iPad? The capital A used in the headings doesn't show and the other letters are mispositioned around its spot. Tried with GoodReader and iBooks. Also tried on MacBook pro and had the same problem. Looks fine on my windows readers.

This is an issue that is attributed to Apple, and that Paizo is waiting for Apple to fix.