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Just ordered the print edition and tried out the wonderfulness that is the "add to my next monthly shipment" option.
I am sure it is very obvious but I can't find the link to the pdf version though. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Click on the Pathfinder Roleplaying game on the top left. Scroll down to the bestiary and add pdf from there.
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Not sure if this was mentioned... but Shouldn't the Lammasu have domains/domain spells? Or is this one of the rules that somehow bypassed me and that monsters that "cast as clerics" don't get domains?
Nope; getting domains and domain spells is a perk of actually taking cleric levels. The lamassu casts spells as a cleric, but isn't actually a cleric. If it takes a level of cleric, its spellcasting stacks and it gains domains.
The new option to combine the order with next subscription shipment is awesome. Ordered and downloaded.
Not sure if this was mentioned... but Shouldn't the Lammasu have domains/domain spells? Or is this one of the rules that somehow bypassed me and that monsters that "cast as clerics" don't get domains?Nope; getting domains and domain spells is a perk of actually taking cleric levels. The lamassu casts spells as a cleric, but isn't actually a cleric. If it takes a level of cleric, its spellcasting stacks and it gains domains.
A good change in my opinion.
A lot of the monsters (most, even, maybe?) are not from the SRD, but other OGC sources - can anyone tell me where to find the 3.5 versions of them?
Check out the Tome of Horrors Revised for most of them that are not in the SRD.
Now THAT'S some nice stuff right there!!
Thanks Paizo! You guys rock my socks!!
A lot of the monsters (most, even, maybe?) are not from the SRD, but other OGC sources - can anyone tell me where to find the 3.5 versions of them?Check out the Tome of Horrors Revised for most of them that are not in the SRD.
Also be sure to check the Psionic SRD - for things like the Neothelid.
The print product is now available to order. We are working on getting the PDF up.
I had to walk away from the computer earlier, as I kept getting "Messageboards not available" when I tried to read anything. I assumed it was *certain people* sitting at their keyboards, hitting F5 or trying to whine about the PDF not being up yet.
I'd hate to see today's traffic report on the Paizo server...
I did get my PDF downloaded and along the way found the PDFs from the *last* two FreeRPGDay products. I got them, too. No sense in letting them sit there and rot, y'know. Thanks for making the PDFs available, guys. We appreciate it.
God bless Paizo for the faerie dragon that actually looks like a faerie dragon. :D
That little guy is, hands down, my favorite D&D monster - even more than any of the 'loths. Of course my PCs may feel differently, since I give faerie dragons in my campaign Wish 1/day as a supernatural ability, regardless of age. Of course they inevitably waste it on something ditzy or pointless, but that's half the fun.
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Its also very reasuring to read your posts. My LGS clearanced the 3.5 material immediatly upon 4th edition release. They dont carry any 3rd edition books from any company and refuse to carry Pathfinder. its been labeled a waste to order stuff "no one will buy other than crazy Jay and his players". The store owner or the guy in charge of ordering the stuff thinks its silly that anyone would want to play 3rd edition now that 4th is here.
They wont even order it upon my request. Im labeled the crazy guy who still plays 3rd edition and am laughed at when I say I will play Pathfinder when its released. I get that amused "are you serious?" look when I mention Pathfinder. And according to them no one else but me asks or requests it ever.
And with book stores only carrying 4th edition I start to wonder if theres any Pathfinder love outside the people on the Paizo boards.
Thats odd all the local LFG game where I live have a Paizo section often nearly or as big as the 4e section. One of them even started hunting down old 3e stuff cause they still have a strong demand for it.
I missed out on getting it at the store on Free RPG day, but I have happily, greedily downloaded the bonus best-i-ary. Thanks.
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Todd the Faerie dragon actually kinda freaked me out.
Oddly I ended up with 2 of the books threw all this. Yeah i know I can hear the howls now, but it was not my fault. I got one and a guy I am dating who doesn't play stopped by and got one for me. I have no clue why he did. Beyond me talking about it for the last two weeks but, I said I was going. *shrug* anyways it was sweet geasture anyways.
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Thats odd all the local LFG game where I live have a Paizo section often nearly or as big as the 4e section. One of them even started hunting down old 3e stuff cause they still have a strong demand for it.(Now to go off topic kinda)
Its also very reasuring to read your posts. My LGS clearanced the 3.5 material immediatly upon 4th edition release. They dont carry any 3rd edition books from any company and refuse to carry Pathfinder. its been labeled a waste to order stuff "no one will buy other than crazy Jay and his players". The store owner or the guy in charge of ordering the stuff thinks its silly that anyone would want to play 3rd edition now that 4th is here.
They wont even order it upon my request. Im labeled the crazy guy who still plays 3rd edition and am laughed at when I say I will play Pathfinder when its released. I get that amused "are you serious?" look when I mention Pathfinder. And according to them no one else but me asks or requests it ever.
And with book stores only carrying 4th edition I start to wonder if theres any Pathfinder love outside the people on the Paizo boards.
My FLGS just recently put its remaining 3.x stuff on sales. They're well-stocked with 4e and, while have a couple of Pathfinder products out, primarily special order the latter.
Also be sure to check the Psionic SRD - for things like the Neothelid.A lot of the monsters (most, even, maybe?) are not from the SRD, but other OGC sources - can anyone tell me where to find the 3.5 versions of them?Check out the Tome of Horrors Revised for most of them that are not in the SRD.
And the epic SRD also has some monster listings- even if they won't see much of any use, being that they're all high-cr'ed and stuff.
Oh- and on an unrelated note, managed to snag me a free pdf of the bonus bestiary- good stuff :)
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The new interaction between XP and CR looks good, and so do the illustrations and the stat blocks... my only caveat is that Huecuva seems to have been revised from template to "standard" monster, which I don't like at all. They were "poor man's liches" back in AD&D, and I wouldn't want to see them returned to that status.
This makes me wonder... have templates been scrapped from PF RPG altogether? I hope not, because they added so much depth and variety to monsters, but it would be nice to get a 'yea' or 'nay' on this...
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The new interaction between XP and CR looks good, and so do the illustrations and the stat blocks... my only caveat is that Huecuva seems to have been revised from template to "standard" monster, which I don't like at all. They were "poor man's liches" back in AD&D, and I wouldn't want to see them returned to that status.
This makes me wonder... have templates been scrapped from PF RPG altogether? I hope not, because they added so much depth and variety to monsters, but it would be nice to get a 'yea' or 'nay' on this...
Templates are definitely in the Bestiary.
-Lisa
my only caveat is that Huecuva seems to have been revised from template to "standard" monster, which I don't like at all. They were "poor man's liches" back in AD&D, and I wouldn't want to see them returned to that status.
Well the 3.0 TOH had them as a non templet, I think the 3.5 version had them as a non templet as well. so I just figed that is where it came from
Not sure if this was mentioned... but Shouldn't the Lammasu have domains/domain spells? Or is this one of the rules that somehow bypassed me and that monsters that "cast as clerics" don't get domains?Nope; getting domains and domain spells is a perk of actually taking cleric levels. The lamassu casts spells as a cleric, but isn't actually a cleric. If it takes a level of cleric, its spellcasting stacks and it gains domains.
And judging by the Water Naga, Bloodlines will be a perk of taking Sorcerer levels?
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The new interaction between XP and CR looks good, and so do the illustrations and the stat blocks... my only caveat is that Huecuva seems to have been revised from template to "standard" monster, which I don't like at all. They were "poor man's liches" back in AD&D, and I wouldn't want to see them returned to that status.
This makes me wonder... have templates been scrapped from PF RPG altogether? I hope not, because they added so much depth and variety to monsters, but it would be nice to get a 'yea' or 'nay' on this...
The huecuva as a standard monster is the way it is in the Tome of Horrors, and also the way it was back in 1st and 2nd edition. A template version of the monster appears in the 3rd Edition Fiend Folio, which isn't open content. We certainly COULD have made a variation of that, but that's starting to get into some hazy shenanigans territory, so we went with updating the Tome of Horrors version as a low-level undead monster.
But yeah, as Lisa said, templates are indeed still in the game. We hadn't figured out how to do them in time to include one in the Bonus Bestiary is all.
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And judging by the Water Naga, Bloodlines will be a perk of taking Sorcerer levels?Not sure if this was mentioned... but Shouldn't the Lammasu have domains/domain spells? Or is this one of the rules that somehow bypassed me and that monsters that "cast as clerics" don't get domains?Nope; getting domains and domain spells is a perk of actually taking cleric levels. The lamassu casts spells as a cleric, but isn't actually a cleric. If it takes a level of cleric, its spellcasting stacks and it gains domains.
Correct.
Monsters with spellcasting powers don't generally get the non-spellcasting class powers as well.
I have to say I'm impressed.
I was nearly certain (enough to wager on it) that the "limited print copies" would have sold out by now.
It is unexpected proof that Paizo did learn from their sale runs.
WANT WANT WANT
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How come the "advancement" suggestions were dropped from the creature format?
Will this be addressed with a separate set of guidelines in the PFRPG Rule book or PFRPG Bestiary?
Reason why I ask is I plan on using many lower & mid level classic 1st ed creatures but will have to juice them up so they can compete with my players advancing levels - I would still like to use lower CR classics as my players continue to creep up out of the sweet spot (4th-9th).
It is too bad we will never see the Beholder, Carrion crawler, Displacer Beast, Githyank/Githzerai, Kuo-toa, Various Slaad, Mindflayer, Umber Hulk and Yuan-ti in PF format. Gonna need to re-stat those once the PF Bestiary comes out.
Hey maybe you guys can create an online extra for converting 3.5 creatures into PF Format?
BTW the book looks great.
I would love to see a beholder, but there is some reason behind the deck of illusions replacing the beholder card with a glabrezu or something. Same reason might apply here (maybe 'coz the beholder is a VERY DnD-related monster?). Also, Githyanki/Githzerai would be sweet. They have awesome swords XD
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It is too bad we will never see the Beholder, Carrion crawler, Displacer Beast, Githyank/Githzerai, Kuo-toa, Various Slaad, Mindflayer, Umber Hulk and Yuan-ti in PF format. Gonna need to re-stat those once the PF Bestiary comes out.
I'd wager that work will be done for you by the fans within a week of the Bestiary's release. ;)
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I would love to see a beholder, but there is some reason behind the deck of illusions replacing the beholder card with a glabrezu or something. Same reason might apply here (maybe 'coz the beholder is a VERY DnD-related monster?). Also, Githyanki/Githzerai would be sweet. They have awesome swords XD
well it's cause they are not OGL.
Wotc in their infinite wisdom decided to keep some of the best Gygax and Fiend Folio (1st ed) to themselves. Ironic how many anti-old school & Gygax players are out there who now play 4E and condemn and ridicule the old creature designs.
If I am not mistaken the Beholder - the Wotc mascot, gets one opening descriptive sentence and 4 sentences (one shared with the eye of flame) in their description in the 4E MM.
+30 plus years and they get 5 sentences of description. Gotta love it!
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I would love to see a beholder, but there is some reason behind the deck of illusions replacing the beholder card with a glabrezu or something. Same reason might apply here (maybe 'coz the beholder is a VERY DnD-related monster?). Also, Githyanki/Githzerai would be sweet. They have awesome swords XD
Sadly they're owned by WOTC and not monsters that are available to third parties.
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I'd wager that work will be done for you by the fans within a week of the Bestiary's release. ;)It is too bad we will never see the Beholder, Carrion crawler, Displacer Beast, Githyank/Githzerai, Kuo-toa, Various Slaad, Mindflayer, Umber Hulk and Yuan-ti in PF format. Gonna need to re-stat those once the PF Bestiary comes out.
I don't know if it would be actually legal to stat these creatures on any hosted website since they are considered wotc IP. You could easily get sued.
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Ironic how many anti-old school & Gygax players are out there who now play 4E and condemn and ridicule the old creature designs.
That's the entire spirit of 4e though. Condemn and ridicule what came before it... in order to distract from 4e's shortcomings.
By disavowing tradition and what came before, WOTC hopes to capture a new audience. Hence why they slaughtered the Realms, they hoped to make it easier for "new" players to get into. But as a result they've been buried in hate and have been basically bullied into not messing with Eberron. It'll be interesting to see how they handle Dragonlance. IMHO, if Dragonlance doesn't get smashed to a million pieces, then you know WOTC realized they made a mistake with their top selling setting.
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I don't know if it would be actually legal to stat these creatures on any hosted website since they are considered wotc IP. You could easily get sued.I'd wager that work will be done for you by the fans within a week of the Bestiary's release. ;)It is too bad we will never see the Beholder, Carrion crawler, Displacer Beast, Githyank/Githzerai, Kuo-toa, Various Slaad, Mindflayer, Umber Hulk and Yuan-ti in PF format. Gonna need to re-stat those once the PF Bestiary comes out.
Maybe not, but you could certainly stat up a very similar knock-off. Monte Cook created the "Eye Tyrant" on his Dungeon-A-Day website. And sure, it's called an Eye Tyrant and has a few different abilities, but everyone knows it's a Beholder stand-in.
Personally, I would have preferred the name 'The Thing That Beauty Is In The Eye Of.'
Didn't someone create an Eye Tyrant before?
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Ironic how many anti-old school & Gygax players are out there who now play 4E and condemn and ridicule the old creature designs.That's the entire spirit of 4e though. Condemn and ridicule what came before it... in order to distract from 4e's shortcomings.
By disavowing tradition and what came before, WOTC hopes to capture a new audience. Hence why they slaughtered the Realms, they hoped to make it easier for "new" players to get into. But as a result they've been buried in hate and have been basically bullied into not messing with Eberron. It'll be interesting to see how they handle Dragonlance. IMHO, if Dragonlance doesn't get smashed to a million pieces, then you know WOTC realized they made a mistake with their top selling setting.
Plenty of 4E irony - they reacted that way with the realms because new school players hated it and felt locked out so they destroyed/Road Warriored/POL'ed the realms for a crowd that fundamentally said "I don't want to play it". So their target demographic was for people who were not interested in the first place.
But I don't want to rehash the edition wars, we are all here because paizo not only saw an opportunity with the rules but I think they are the torch bearers of the spirit of earlier editions. They have the idea to carry 2E/3E spirit and we have Necro to carry the 1st ed feel and attitude. I for one am incredibly happy.
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I guess we can create Mind Slayers and Eye Tyrants/ Eye Beast, Mind Slaves (Astral Warriors -lol), etc - but again I think Wotc is very sensitive about this stuff. Who knows, maybe PF fan site might work. Could make conversions/submissions and have a contest. Or a list of classic variants.
Would be nice to get it in a the format the Bestiary is set up in. Looks great
As long as it is fan-created and offered by fans in non-commercial contexts, then I think they have little say over it.
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Just wanted to note: I really appreciate the presence of fluff.
edit-Didn't Allips used to be able to spawn more allips from their victims, or have I got them mixed up with the Dread Allips from Green Ronin's Advanced Bestiary?
edit2-Oops, there we go. It's right there in the fluff.
edit3-REALLY appreciate the _____ In Mythology, Training a _____, and Summoning a _____ bits.
Ordered a print version, downloaded the pdf, and added the order to my next subscription shipment. The new shipment option is a great idea, thank you for implementing it - I don´t need the stuff immediately and can wait for it. Nice touch on the bestiary back cover, btw.
Stefan
Heck-of-a back cover?
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How come the "advancement" suggestions were dropped from the creature format?
Because they were too limiting, honestly. The GM should be the one who decides when a monster changes size and how many HD is the max for his own game. Monsters with specific advancement rules, like dragons, are still around, but the Bestiary's other rules for advancing monsters are a lot less restrictive than they were in the 3.5 version. Never fear, though. There'll be plenty of advancement stuff in the final book!