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Well force players that didn't buy CRB/APG to use AoN in order to use CRB/APG only content just because they wasn't reprinted in remaster is far from a good way to do the things.

"Force?" Force them to use a 100% free authorized reference instead of buying a book?

Personally, I'd use the word "Let" for allowing players to not have to spend money to play a game they make.

Reaper miniatures has an Oxidation Beast.

Oh, and are there any liches? Demi or otherwise?

There are, including a "Creating a Lich" section.

And there was much rejoicing!

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I'd think you'd still have to interact to hold it, you just don't have to go get it and it can't be removed from your person.

All shields need to be held to control it otherwise they just flop around on your arm and get in the way. Even bucklers, which aren't just fancy forearm guards, they are held in the hand.

Not bucklers. They can explicitly be used as long as the hand is free, or even if that hand is holding a Light non-weapon.

Yeah, I know that is the way by RAW and how D&Desque games have done bucklers the way they are for years and years, but it is weird. Bucklers are held in your fist. They are glorified and ergonomic pot lids you can parry and punch with.

I think Paizo's lawyers advised that it isn't a good idea to play a game of "I'm not touching you" with Hasbro's IP. Therefore, filing the serial numbers off of the very D&D dragon types probably was never on the table.

Chonk chucks chunks!

I'm really liking the new dragons. I'm certainly going to enjoy the look on players faces when they encounter one of these. I've got some old timey D&D players in my group and them not knowing what to expect out of something like this is going to be pretty sweet.

"Wounded Any time you gain the dying condition or increase it for any reason, add your wounded value to the amount you gain or increase your dying value" is on the GM screen, but I can't find matching language in the core rules.

I don't think that the game benefits from such an alarming death spiral, so regardless of intent, rule 1 applies and I'm only going to add Wounded when Dying is removed.

Sure Strike sounds like it fits in to the Mentalism school by virtue of Robert Downey Jr style Sherlock Holmes fighting. A brief moment of high octane, Dune Mentat predictive power.

It is by will alone I set my spell slot in motion.

Absolutely yes, it looks simple, just time consuming.

You'd pick out a few spells of each level that are standard, the ones that are automatically learned.

Then the rest of the thematic spells are just the ones that can fit in the +1 slot.

There may be a few more wrinkles, but it is pretty clear that you are supposed to be able to massage new spells into the curriculum from the description of the class ability.

Would be interested in the variance in rulings on this scenario:

"I'm a 5th level wizard and the 1st level spells for war magic are becoming unusable; they're evocations that rely on heightening to function, which would leave me with nothing in my 1st level school slot. I would like to put true strike in that slot instead."

I think there's a nonzero number of GM's that might balk at a player asking for a notoriously strong spell that isn't on the base list... perhaps forgetting that True Target is on the list at a later level, making it obvious that True Strike should be considered "on theme". The player is pretty solidly in the right here IMO, but there are definitely less clear cut cases and I generally prefer to avoid this game of Mother May I if at all possible.

Personally? True Target falls cleanly under "arcane countermeasures for common tactical complications," the complication here being "the targets are hiding." I'd say that a Battle Magic Wizard might not get True Target for free, but they could sure use it for their Curriculum slot, no problem.

I used this just now.

https://www.omnicalculator.com/math/hexagon

Long diagonal of 12 miles is 19.3121 km, with 242.24 KM square.

https://www.omnicalculator.com/math/hexagon?c=USD&v=hide:0,d:19.3121!km

It looks like it is an okay boost when a party is in the field, but it really gets into its own when the cleric is spending time working wonders for a mass of NPCs, like a village saved or an army the group is accompanying or anything where it isn't looked at with ONLY whether or not it is going to help push the group through the next encounter.

Probably not the best choice for Abomination Vaults, but maybe good for some other path that has a larger group to support? Hells Rebels, maybe? Agents of Edgewatch, perhaps?

Potency and Striking runes are also under runes, though they aren't as intuitive as could be.

After clicking Runes, look to the bottom of the page and there are two buttons for Potency and Striking. I am looking at them on both the web page and the phone app.

Like so.

They are ALSO under options, but they are still under runes.

Hopefully the witch will have a good handle on... Practical Magic.

"Oh boy, another class preview! Can't wait to see what I can expect to dive into on release.... at level 14, same as all my campaigns?"

It is neat to see some of the things, but high level previews feel useless to me.

At least it won't be long before there is full information!

Is this an "in universe" game that is played by people on Golarion? Given that it looks like it is just five elements, I'm guessing that if so it would normally be played in Tian Xia?

A good, quick game sounds very fun though, I'm glad to see some people got the chance to play it and speak well of it. Sometimes we want a game but don't have the spoons (stones?) for a full blown evening of Arkham Horror or whatever.

Big block of IMO incoming.

I anticipate that the Edicts & Anethema system isn't going to allow much for Holy villains and Unholy heroes much. Those people are probably going to need to pick out some A&E from a short list of either "benevolence and virtue" or "cruelty and sin" options and since those are things that a character is going to care about, you aren't going to likely see one of them struggling on the same side as the other.

Even more than the current Alignment, Holy and Unholy feel like you are taking a side in a cosmic conflict, not just have certain world views that make you a saint or a sinner.

People who are generally good minded might still be Hellknights because they think the Hellknights are a force for order and safety, and wind up making life better for people in the long run, but they aren't likely to be Holy (not even Godclaw types) because of their acceptance of cruel and wicked means. They might not be happy that a village needs to be burned, but they might make sure that it goes as mercifully as possible. They probably might feel bad, but not bad enough to do much about it.

You might get Sarenites that are more heavy handed and willing to do bad things to stop evil, but they aren't going to try to be Unholy because the cruelty isn't the point of what they think they have to do. If they think they have to burn a village, then that is a tragedy they must bear and they will hope for redemption along with being merciful if possible.

Asmodeans are going to be happy to be Unholy because the cruelty and sin is the gold standard of their world view. It is right and proper in their eyes to be tyrannical overlords with torment and fear as their favorite tools. If they think they have to burn a village, then the village is probably already on fire because that is just how the world works. Bonus pay if it is in ashes before sundown because there is a new torture opera premiering and they worked hard for tickets.

The foxhead medallion grants complete immunity to all magical effects, right?

Just spells tagged with four of the elements and also spirit damage. ;)

And what of new deities such as the ones introduced in Rage of Elements?

If you want them to have an alignment, it seems easy enough. Look at their follower alignments and reverse engineer them or have a guess based on the description.

Atreia (the Lambent King) NG
Ayrzul (The Fossilized King) NE
Ferrumnestra (The Lady of Rust) N
Hshurha (Duchess of All Winds) NE
Kelizandri (The Brackish Emperor) NE

etc.

Flag and move on, let the mods handle it.

Not a pet or companion class, so no looming spirits doing the fighting for you. Other than that...

Inspirational characters don't have to map exactly to characters at a gaming table and saying that you can't have a special class because your inspiration isn't an exact match is overly limiting.

First off, congrats to everyone for pretty much nailing the concepts of the classes in their predictions based on some scrolls and a nipple.

Second, we're all in agreement that the Exemplar is Exalted but changed a little so that the teacher doesn't notice, right?

Kineticists are Dragon Blooded. Exemplars are Exigents. They might look like Solars if you squint, but starting off low level with more customizable abilities map closer to Exigents.

Any concept that can be described as having incremental increases in power can be a class. Somebody who didn't start out life as the literal son of the king of the gods but instead got a Divine Spark that needs to be cultivated and grown into a roaring flame could fill that role easily.

Clearly I'm looking forward to how they manage this, to get a character brimming with divine potential on the table.

Rare is a good idea, though. I wouldn't want two of them at the same table, it would spoil the broth.

Unless it is a Free Archetype scenario where everyone got at least a little splash of the God Gobbet.

I'm going to guess Anamist and Exemplar.

Will also go out on the limb and say Anamist is a divine Wisdom caster and Exemplar has a divine spark and is a light armored melee.

You mad man! That is an absolutely unhinged prediction, how very dare you.

"Sunwrecker." Black out the sun for a moment with your combat abilities, get Darkness and Darkvision for a while.

Very Maui sounding. Or... was it Orion who shot at Apollo's chariot and he swung down to see what was up?

I’m very surprised to hear someone turned off by these. They’re some of the most exciting class power fantasies I’ve heard in years.

They look great to me too. Considering how many classes Pathfinder has had over the years there is bound to be some overlap in themes, but while the Exemplar sort of reminds me of a Thaumaturge because of empowering items and the Animist reminds me of the Binder because of bonding with entities that grant skills and abilities, they don't appear to map to either one.

The exemplar isn't the monster hunter specialist that the Thaumaturge is and the Animist isn't dealing with Vestiges that have to have actual pacts forged with disadvantages and consequences for a bad pact.

The Animist has a bit of Kineticist in it too because it seems to have the choice between a Sage which has strong bonds with one Apparition at a time and a Channeler who has more flexible bonds that can be swapped out. Not quite like single gate or multiple gate Kineticists, but it still reminds me of the focus vs versatility option in that class.

Confirmed that neither class is a pet class. No spirit animal or ghost companions wandering around affecting the material world.

Best question "How is either class like Batman?"

The Animist is like Batman because they can prepare for many situations.

The Exemplar is like Batman because even though he is sneaky, you always know when he is there because of his dramatic flair.

The Exemplar has an ability they can choose called "Sunwrecker" that means you punch the sun so it goes out, casting Darkness around you and giving you Darkvision.

The description is "they can be stealthy, but only in a bombastic way, if that makes sense."

If its that then I don't understand why they said its a new class in Golarion given medium and shaman have been there for a long time.

They are vaguely similar in theme in that they deal with spirits, but mechanically they feel distinct so far. I think if I wanted to play the Medium or Shaman and the GM handed me an Animist, I wouldn't be getting the experience I'd be expecting, but I might still be happy with what is going on.

These new classes feel like they're building on the framework of Thaumaturge and implements in a way?

A Divine Thaumaturge is the feel I get yes. Not the Belmont sort of thing that a Thaumaturge is and it sounds like you just automatically get three Ikons that get empowered as you desire, not implements that have specific occult connections.

I'm not good at transcribing this, but I really like the concepts behind them.

Animist- Uncommon
Exemplar- Rare, because hardly anyone got hit with God Gobbets.

Short typing.

Divine Spark gets focused through vessels called Icons. You get three, body, worn, weapon. You put your spark in your Icon and you get the ability for it.
Body: Skin Hard as Horn- Resistance to damage, but it doesn't apply to critical hits because you have some weak point to poke at. You can empower it to increase the resistances with one action.

Weapon: Noble Branch- You have a very good stick, +2 spirit damage per weapon die & you can use an action after a successful Strike and throw more spirit damage at your previous target.

Worn Ikon (with a K, sorry. Ikons. IKONS.) Victor's Wreath- You are wearing some sort of inspiring garb, headwear or sash. Laurel, medal, something that inspires your allies. You and allies within 15' get +1 to something, I was typing and it went off screen.

Exemplars are empowered by a Divine Spark. Very folk hero and what some of us were thinking the Demigod might be. Inspired by Hercules, Maui, Sun Wu Kong, etc.

The iconic Exemplar (Nahoa) is also a nephalim because of the combat with a demon that also unlocked the Exemplar class for him.

Got hit by a "gobbet of god-stuff that fell from the sky."

Animist sounds cool, at least in concept. Fun sort of ... not a witch, exactly? The power givers are called apparitions and are spirit friends that you hang with.

I missed the name of the firstone, Custodian of Elysian Gardens?

Imposter in Hidden Places

Steward of Stone and Fire

Witness to Ancient Battles

They seem to give two lores, a small spell list, a specific spell, and an ability called Avatar that makes you embody your spirit friend.

Not a Binder from 3.x, but still kind of cool.

Yeah, the tree doesn't have allies. The caster has allies. The tree will protect a clear cutting plant hating lumberjack with a penchant for setting forest fires and torturing dryads if they are an ally of the caster.

Oh, 4:00 PM! Better go back to sleep.

A Demigod class might be something that could otherwise be called an Ascetic, something with a lot of innate abilities, but from a narrow list of concepts. Not something that gives out herculean strength at level one, but something with divine attributes that grow with the character. Maybe something built along the lines of the Kineticist, but with Spiritual essence rather than Matter.

"Demigod and Animist" are two very compelling guesses from the other thread.

A friend of mine with absolutely no background in Golarion lore said that the thumbnails look polynesian and asian to him, maybe these are Tian Xia classes after all?

Shugenja? With cultural advisors maybe it will be a Shugenja that is more accurate to mythology? Or Exorcist as mentioned earlier would be fun with a Taoist flavor. Taoist itself would fit but might be a bit too on the nose historically speaking...

But what is Mr Beefy over there with all his swirling tattoos and stuff, then?

We do have images for them though.... kind of. One of them certainly looks Occulty and might even be missing a finger. That might just be some sort of character thing for the iconic or a mistake on my part, though.

It is over in todays blog.
https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sidz?Save-the-Date-Pathfinder-Pla ytest-Stream#discuss

I do see some clamp mounts for cameras that I hadn't considered and I'd really rather have something more portable than a monitor to carry around.

Gives me something to think about for sure!

It really does seem that the RAW and ROI answer to "I don't want to care about clan daggers" is to not care about clan daggers.

All it means is that your particular dwarf is outside of traditional clan structures or traditions, but also with no clan responsibilities or expectations. Just a dwarf from a family that thinks of itself Kintargan or something. Maybe your grandparents still have their clan daggers, but maybe even some of them don't wear them except on formal occasions.

Edit: A clan dagger is two gold pieces. That is it. Give a non clan daggery dwarf an extra two gold and call it a day.

Thaumaturge is the Occult martial, I'd say. Champion is Divine, Magus is Arcane. Shifter would be a good Primal, I'd think.

Out of all the creatures, it looks like there are 20 with a Lawful weakness and 12 with a chaotic weakness. So... Yeah, seems like they are largely irrelevant if that is the qualifier.

Or maybe they are just as relevant as they were before since they probably still do the same things and don't like each other?

Not having a law/chaos axis doesn't mean that Maruts aren't going to show up and try to punch immortality seekers, after all.

That is an interesting thoughts though. Wizards as the Fighter equivalent. Having them start out with Expert to class bonuses and DCs is a nice pipe dream. Maybe they don't get anymore spells than other classes because whatever metaphysical reasons, but boy are they just GOOD at them.

I wish I could be confident that the Curriculum spells might add options that are no longer Arcane. If they added mental/material spells that were on the Occult/Primal lists, for example. Or they had more uncommon spells that you couldn't simply select by leveling up.

But as much as I was hoping they would silo the lists more in line with the Essences that make up the Traditions... There is Invoke Spirits which isn't just Divine and Occult, it is Arcane as well. Sigh.

My hope here is that Wizard class abilities make them better at magical stuff than other casting classes. Clerics do more with divine powers, sorcerers do more with bloodline specific stuff, but wizards should be good at magic beyond just spells.

Better spell countering, better ritual use, using Arcane for crafting scrolls and potions automatically instead of the crafting skill and a feat, these sorts of things.

Maybe spells specifically wouldn't be a remastered wizard's schtick, but if that is the case magic itself should be.

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I'm surprised at the art for Axis. I was not expecting it to look like Planescape's Sigil as I thought that was very much a TSR thing.

Axis is described as the Perfect City so it being urban in design seems about right. Sigil is much more of a torus shape with a city on the inside walls if my memory serves correctly.

Your memory serves you well. Sigil floats above the spire in the center of the outlands, Torus shaped like a tire with the city on the inner walls exposed to what serves as a sky and a view of the other side.