I’m only halfway through but I know some of my players are interested in becoming a baron in this game. So I was just curious if that’s ever an option

In book 3 there is an inquisitor that has the title of “corrector”. Is there A list of inquisitor ranks and titles anywhere? I have a player who is the student of this inquisitor. The player has been building his character up and I’d like him to have a title in the inquisition

I think Vital Strike with the Butchering Axe will get the executioner feel across. Another option is to Prestige into Crimson Templar so that you can Coup de Grace with a Bastard Sword (Call it an Executioner Sword) as a standard action. Feats to consider are Brutal Coup de Grace or Throat Slicer

Thanks a lot! This is pretty much what Im looking for! Though I should mention the character is going to be Evil, we are playing Hells Vengeance.

I was thinking about building a Vigilante with an Executioner motif. I wanted him to have a big old beheading ax and a feel similar to the unstoppable slashers in horror films (Jason, Mike Myers). Is there any stats for an executioners ax? Do you folks have any suggestions for the build? I've gotten a little overwhelmed by all my options!

My players are so very eager to start this adventure path as they are just finishing up Hells Rebels and they want to jump right into Hell's Vengeance. My question is what would you folks who've played and GMed this campaign recommend I do in order to make the game run smoothly and keep interest going. In other words what would you do differently and what worked for you? I understand the importance of imparting a philosophy of cooperation and a wiliness to accept orders as a group to be very vital for this path do you folks have anything else to add for me?

Im about to run The Queens Banquet as part of Dance of the Damned and I was wondering if anyone felt like me and wanted to try to serve some kind of food wile presenting each course of the banquet.
I just cant decide what to serve. Any suggestions?

Anybody know where I can get a copy of the Palladium Rifts Card game rules? I have a bunch of card and no idea anymore on how to play them.

Glad it's working out for you :)

As for mature...
Ending life is one thing. Ending life graphically is another. Grey morality, senseless slaughter, no infant immortality, sex, rape, lying, scheeming...so so many things I'd have to stop doing if I accepted a kid in my group.

You're killing infants in your games! Hardcore! Just teasing hama.

One last rant for anyone who wants to listen I may have gone off track here a little. As you can tell I am passionate about The Game and I like to be surrounded by those who are as well. As a final thought I’ve always thought it wired that people have a problem with kid playing a “Mature” game. If he played with other 12 year olds he’d still be ending the life of many a goblin. Is that not mature? Killing, revenge murdering, stopping a living thing from breathing? What makes a game Mature? Violence? Language? He understands he is not allowed to use it in front of me or any other adult but in game I’ve used every curse word I can think of. Did he respond differently? Of course, but that’s what made it exciting. I curse, my adult friends don’t bat an eye, my son takes notice. Why did that character curse? Is it important? He thinks about these things. Is the language affecting him? I know for a fact he hears more curse words on a more regular basis at home and hes never repeated one to me, not that hed get into too much trouble for saying them depending on the situation. I think what it comes down to for my players, at least, is sex. I was always an open GM. Whatever your taste I could cater to it, so to speak. In our teens my group and I explored many aspects of sexuality in role playing. We had straight, gay, dominate, submissive, transgender, healthy and unhealthy relationships. It was supposed to be an open place to explore any idea and I never backed away from it. Now my newest player (7 years ago) was very taken in by such an open group and I think he really enjoyed the acceptance, but he missed the hey day, I no longer feel that sexuality needs to be addressed in every game session. That’s not to say I don’t have sexual elements in my games I just don’t need them to be front and center. I’m fine with my players expressing their sexuality in my games I won’t hide sexuality in my game because that’s part of everyday life and I want my son to know there’s everything right with that. But yes I understand the act of sex in front of a minor is problematic. That’s why I fade to black now or I can ask him to leave the room. Nothing to get worked up over. But the newest player argues that he wiil now have to monitor his language and his behavior and to that I say “Don’t we all?” I used the N word in front of a black friend once, I had to change my ignorant speech when another friend came out, I very sparingly say the C word in front of my girlfriend who sometimes plays. These are ways I’ve changed and monitored what I’ve said or done and it’s been for the better. I can still play a sexist or a racist I just don’t need to direct that to anyone real and I better have a compelling reason to play such a odorous character.
Interesting side fact that player who left was my biggest gender swapper. My son also has made 2 female characters and doesn’t bat an eye at anyone playing cross gender. See that’s what gets me in the end, my son would play with any gender and age and health level any skill level but his “betters” wouldn’t.

people complaining about things they do to themselves seems like human nature to me. "ugh I'm so fat" "my job sucks" "my boyfriend/girlfriend is such a B". You ate that extra slice of pizza, you took that obviously crap job, you said yes to that man/girl. People have been doing this outside of game forever why stop in game? But for real people don't want to take responsibility or they are not ready to take it. Either way you can't change them its up to them.

I honestly don't know that you did the right thing—it sounds like one of your players is still pretty unhappy with the situation, and knowing he would be, you went through with it. I don't know that you did the wrong thing, either. I don't think there was a right or wrong thing to do here. Either way, you took the good with the bad.

Kinda how I feel my man. I feel sad that an era may have ended (honestly though it haddn't been the same since we "grew up" right after the college days) but I love this new player (my son) and his excitement for the game.

I have to ask, if your time with your son is so limited that you include him in your grown up RPG group what are you doing with all your other time? How often do you game? What other things do you do with your son? How crazy are your work ours? You sound like every moment with your son is precious and that makes me think that your time with him is very limited by something.

I know different parents are different. I like my kids, but I wanted my adult time too as they were growing up. My youngest is 18 and very much my friend as well as my son now; which I love. And he joins in the adult game now without any objections from other players now. But when he was 12/13 there's no way I would have asked the group to restrict their game play so I could have 6 more hours a month with my kids. So I made sure to have game time separately with my kids and their friends that was specifically kid gaming time.

It does not sound like you have that option though.

I don't have that option anymore I only game now every other week. I see my son every weekend. But that wasn’t always the case. At one time when the divorce was happening and I was in college I was lucky to see him once a month. When I was young and married my wife would throw huge CR 20 fits at me concerning my time with my friends. Back then I would play once a week for 8 to sometimes 12 hours a session. I was the first of my friends to get married, have a kid….get divorced. It may be my Catholic upbringing or my very outspoken wife but I’ve always felt guilty about the time I spent away from my son, yes I was depressed, yes I had a full time job plus commuted over an hour to school but I could have done more. Now I play every 2 weeks for 5 to 7 hours my wife has taken the mantel of Ex Wife and my son will not stop talking about the game and character builds and what’s going to happen next week.

Im going to perform a little forum necromancy so if you have a problem with it don’t read any further but there were some people who were interested in my situation (some of who messaged me personally) so I thought since its been some time I’d make an update.
Out of the four players who voted one left in protest of adding my son. He now asks how the game is going every other month or so, its clear that he misses the game but his health has deteriorated to the point of him not thinking he could make a whole session. I miss him and I had a feeling this might happen but I felt as if my hands were tied.
The second who protested still plays with the group but had a hard time adjusting his behavior, which I find sad I was hoping no one would have to do much adjusting. Looking back on it I was naïve, adding a minor will make people change. Not that it’s a bad thing mind you. This player tried to correct my son on manners a few times which is funny because the payer is notoriously crass (burping and farting with as much gusto as he can muster) yet since adding my son has curbed that aspect which I am grateful for, though in the first session with my son he did talk about old ladies and sexual pleasuring devices (but not in those nice of words). But since then he has been more muted I suspect he still resents the addition of my son. Also this player ignores my son as best as possible in the game. I mean he plays with him or should I say around him. I whish that would change as my boy looks up to all the adults in the group and wants to be accepted by them.
The other two players treat my son as a sometimes annoying little brother. They occasionally try to teach him or sit back and watch as he learns something. Its nice, they talk to him out of game as well, showing him video games or talking strategy. They interact with him but let him make his own mistakes but then intervene if needed.
So update is such, it’s a mixed bag but overall Im happy to have added my son as he is always excited to play, always present and hasn’t been jaded yet by RP. Now if I can just get everyone to get back to that mental place of wonder id feel complete.

That was my point. But they do have a screaming template. Can that one speak? It can yell. its been a huge debate tonight.

Okay just like the subject says my group is in a heated debate. Can a beheaded familiar speak? Can he talk to other people not just his master or other undead?

I could see this as a podcast or an event at a gaming store.

As a GM I'd give a hero point for good character flavor like this. It gives you a little something for your effort that isn't game breaking.

Kind of a side note, but im with goddity, i don't think there is an unbreakable system.

OP if your in Illinois anytime you can come play with us! Also let us know how this works out.

This AP is ideal for a brawler with witty bad intentions.

Many humanoid enemies to grapple. Repositioning in dangerous squares isnt allowed I think, neither with bull rushes, but a swift houserule changes that. Even the AP itself skips over it, a mayor NPC bullrushing people off the ship in the first book.

I'd suggest having a look at Grappling Style in the style feats and really really hammering down grapple rules because they are finicky.

You know I think I've heard that before I guess Ive always ignored it, as it doesn't come up often. So Pathfinder doesn't have a way to push some one over a cliff? If were in a cage with spikes I cant drive my opponent into the spiks?

Any thoughts on why to rule is this way? Thanks

So I need to make a Brawler for one of my players. He needs to be human or half orc and I sold the player on an unarmed\manoeuvre master. I thought a big burly guy tossing guys off ships sounded fun so did he. My problem is my players mock my builds can anyone give me some advice? This build should be good for this AP right?

Ok I know im performing a little thread necro here but im running this AP and could use a little help. Has anybody actually stated the rumored treasures and would anyone be willing to share? I have tons of ideas but I've been working steady 12s for over a month now and would really appreciate the gamer help.

16. One of my players uses her octopus as jewelry.

Geez all the magic in this game and you are worried about this? Just handwave and say a little water now and then, and Lil' Octy is good to go.

And do not think about the saltwater issue, ever. I mean if this character goes to a freshwater river or lake, don't throw that fact out.

Thanks i didn't initially think it was a problem until a player started saying something about it every time we played. I started to doubt myself a little.

My girlfriend is playing a Ursula type witch in this AP. Her Familiar is a Blue-ringed Octopus. I didn't read all the way down in the description and I let it walk around on the ship, i guess there only supposed to be water animals. My question is did I make it too powerful if I let it survive on land as well? My girlfriend isn't a power gamer she'll never have the beast in combat and she mostly wants it for comic relief. It often hangs on her pretending to be exotic jewelery.

I turned Barefoot Samms Topins in to Topless Topins. Her combat tactic is to remove her top before boarding as she finds it distracts others. I thought the name sounded better and it really made her more memorable. My players follow her around and make sure she's safe.

TriOmegaZero wrote:

Wiggz wrote:

Please just consider that the reason people probably keep bringing it up because it keeps on happening...

Yes, we keep getting warned that bloat is going to kill Pathfinder.

However, it hasn't yet. If it does, I guess you'll be able to say you told us all.

I dunno about kill it, but I think that continually pushing splat out the door does hasten the next edition of a game, whether that be D&D, Pathfinder, or any RPG.

As for companies that have handled it well, I'll throw out Chaosium with Call of Cthulhu as well. True, they just published the seventh edition, but the first six were damn near interchangeable. Even the seventh, the biggest change to the system so far, is pretty easily compatible with everything that had come before.

And Call of Cthulhu really hasn't published many rules supplements in that time. Tons of adventures, some monster collections and other oddities, but given that they've been publishing books for the system for 35 years, very few rules supplements.
I've always wanted to play Cthulhu but 7 editions would make me wince at starting a game up. What if i picked the wrong edition? Isn't a new edition every lets say 5 years a little much? Isn't that just recycling to stave off bloat? Would we want a new pathfinder every 5 to 6 years?

Of course, one of the advantages that both systems I've mentioned have is that they are much simpler than 3.x/Pathfinder, and a lot more flexible. That reduces the need for supplements, as does the system trusting in the GM and not feeling the need to codify a rule for everything.

TarkXT wrote:

Why is it that people are just afraid to say no when presented with rulesets they don't want to deal with?

Go look at any thread that talks about limiting player choice - whether for thematic reasons or worries about mechanics.

Everyone knows that a GM who imposes any limits whatsoever is obviously going to railroad the game and is probably just a frustrated novelist.

I honestly can't tell if you're serious!

Seriously, what company has handled bloat well does anybody have any opinions?

Am I wrong in seeing a correlation in this and Magic the Gathering? I mean look that system has changed a bunch and it's still going strong. Every new set introduces a new mechanic or "Rules" if you will. Its still magic its still fun. I never played for an ante card as they suggested in the beginning. I would love to play Plane Chase but no one does around here, in fact everyone here plays EDH a different version of the rules then I prefer.

Different cards have come and gone some were flops others underpowered many stuck and changed the game. Isn't that like whats happening here at Piazo?

The end game is a new version of Pathfinder wherein all of the bloat is cast away and replaced with a new set of core rules. I expect it will happen within the next couple of years; although, I don't expect a new version to be very drastic. It will most likely still be based upon the Standard Reference Document. That is--if Paizo doesn't end up partnering with Wizards of the Coast and start writing adventure paths for Dungeons and Dragons 5th edition.

Say it ain't so!

Well I know a system that hardly ever changed its rules and is still around today. Palladium. The rules have remained the same for something like 30 years now. I grew up on it, I loved it. Its still kind of supported with like 4 new books or so a year. But I get laughed at mercilessly for even admitting I played it. I love the broken clunky system and Kevin S the creator will never change it for as long as he lives. But no perfection will ever come of something that never evolves. It is what it is, house rules the system till you get what you like.

I love pathfinder for the support and the optional rules. I change what I want and I do it often because I've had to do it with many other systems.

There are a lot of options pick what you like and go.? I don't know. Can a RPG system continue to grow and thrive or does it have to die? Is that the inevitable outcome? I fear talk of bloat and the end is neigh stuff hastens this possibility, I fear it gets people in the mindset that the end is inevitable and rapidly approaching thus it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

Ok lets say its one rule set to rule them all. Is that what people want? Only one way to play? Are we better with (hopefully) well thought out variations of play to fit the varied gamer?

I personally do not care much for Pathfinder Society, I get way more entertainment from my regular group. But if something happened, God forbid, to my group and I wasn't able to play with them I'd be very happy to have the Society.

I brought my son into gaming a couple of years ago. I wish I started with the beginner box.

I've played Mythic....

I'm happy for the options though I prefer vanilla Pathfinder for the most part. Looking forward to sampling unchained.

I have run a single player campaign and played in one. I preferred playing but that is usually cause I GM for my group and it is rare for me to actually just play.

Would you rather be a successful person in this world or Golarion,

** spoiler omitted **

this world i have too many plots set in motion. Joking. But really this world then maybe i could work for piazo and shape golarion.

Would you rather play in an all boys group or an all girl group, no side groups allowed.

Am I a perv if i find playing RP naked to be intrigueing? Thats a game night i would not be laye for. I personally hate drinkers and or smokers at my table. I've never seen it done in moderation at a game table. its the mood alteration that bothers me. You start the night with one guy and end with another and that last guy isn't as fun or interactive as he tends to think he is. Online maybe that's a different thing but if you start out cool and dependable then go to belligerent or less responsive then its a pass for me.

I was going to say "Golarion!", but then I thought of all the danger, and contrasted it with all the good some of my characters could do instead. So I'm going with "one of my characters", preferably one of them that could access the super-spells, and I'd proceed to fix everything - or at least cure all diseases, heal all wounds, restore all extremities, and so on within the week he's here.

Would you rather spend a lifetime in Golarion or in another published setting (and if this one, which)?
(Presume you get nice things to do this with.)

A life in Galarion actually sounds terrifying! Do they have a Barbie RPG? Ok i know there is a Pokemon RPG I chose to go there, way safer and i ge to work with crazy cool animals!

Would you rather play in a game where sex and sexuality was completely forbidden and taboo or where all sex and sex acts where graphicly described?

Ok Lune if you're going to GenCon I think you have to repeat have to take your son to True Dungeon! What better culmination of gaming than to actually embody a character? Also maybe after con start a world of darkness campaign, the themes in that tend to be very mature and the Storyteller system is a great counter balance to this rules heavy system. Last idea if he's not ready to run a game you could GM his idea for a game he would be a cowriter. I hope you find this helpful and maybe ill see you guys at con.

Everything so far is looking like it'll be perfect for a "My First Adventure Path" series for newer GMs.

What makes you say that? I'd be interested in buying an adventure path with this in mind.

I find role-playing comes natural to kids. After all its just Advanced pretend. I've never had a problem getting kids to play its getting adults to play with kids thats been an issue for me.

Roarin
Dwarf salt beard Brawler level 1
After shoving Patch out of crows nest and into the ocean during the big storm, Patch secretly plotted revenge. Two nights later patch slit the dwarfs throat ear to ear in his sleep. An investigation will commence shortly but its doubtful if the dirty dog who did the deed will ever be cought.

Just played first adventure. Jobs were great role-playing opportunities, players loved them\hated them. Everyone wants to be the cooks assistant!

Popupjoe wrote:

Are we shunning or does the thread need to be moved?

I really don't care one way or the other that you responded, but what BBT was referring to was that you did what's called on lots of BBS's (not just those about a game that has Necromancy in it) "thread Necromancy" to respond to a thread that hasn't has a post in many months. Some think that to do that you need a really good reason.

I don't care either way. The only reason I'm posting about it is that you and BBT didn't seem to understand each other. Nobody wants to shun the OP or the thread due to anything personal or anything about the subject matter. BBT apparently dislikes "thread necromancy" and (probably) thinks if you wanted to discuss how people role play that's fine but you should have made a new thread.

I honestly didn't know this. I'm kind of new to message boards. This looked like s good discussion so i responded. It was only later that i noticed the date.

Yeah, necro. But I feel like responding to part of it since I never saw this first time around.

Tarrintino wrote:

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The first is a player that makes no attempt to create a unique persona for a character when sitting down to play. It gets to me when I ask, “Tell me about your character” and get told, “Dwarf Fighter.” Every human being on this planet has a life story (even if they don’t share it with everybody they meet). They all have interesting character traits and flaws. They have success stories and personal regrets. They have goals they want to achieve, and inner demons they have to face. When a player doesn’t have an idea of who the character is beyond their stats (even if they just rolled the character up), this really gets to me.
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I understand what you are saying, but it doesn’t work like that for me. When I first start a character I personally have no history with or for him. I don’t know what his personality is like so I don’t know what shaped his personality.

If I try to come up with something before I’ve played a PC at all it is almost always very generic, boring and cliché. “He’s an orphan that came into his magical power late and feels like he should be helping others.” This seems to upset GM’s more than having nothing

But when I start to play him…
You know, I’m only using my summon and buff spells not my attack spells. I guess this guy finds it amusing to let other do all the fighting for him while he stays safely invisible. He’ll say he is helping them to reach their potential, but really he’s just kinda lazy and a bit cowardly. He’s a younger son from a moderately wealthy family and never really had to work hard. But he wished it was an even wealthier family so he didn’t have to work at all.
Hmm… I’m being a real jack-hole to all the nobles we meet, I wonder why that is. Ok, a group of nobles scapegoated me so they wouldn’t get thrown out of the academe. So I hate them all for getting me thrown out.
Yeah those first couple of fights against the supposedly ‘scary’...

nicely stated i think that's how one of my players does it. I end up loving most of his characters but only at later levels as their personalities blossom. I think I'm gonna have to go easier on my player.

I'm really looking forward to running the first part as is i hope im not making a mistake.

Are we shunning or does the thread need to be moved?

Wow should i not have responded?

During meals in game or intimate time like when most of us reveal what makes us tick, long trips work as i "haze" over time i say you talked about this or that.

I know what you mean, I'm a looooong time GM with a pretty stable crew who mostly understand how to role-play. But since playing 3.5 and pathfinder i have one newer player who mocks character builds and constantly power games. I hate it! He prefers to build identity as he levels, which often makes his characters flat well into the mid levels.

I like the idea of the paladin hitting you though. Some people have short fuses, maybe the character wouldn't have stayed lawful good for long. I like the idea of a morally flawed paladin who is always atoneing.

Quinn could become very friendly with a PC that may change things. Otherwise, people have accidents all time, man overboard!

My whole crew wanted to go aquatic. I said only 1 of any race at a time. We will see how long that lasts.