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It's been fun. I have no interest into venturing into second edition but maybe in a year or two.

Please cancel my Pathfinder Adventure Path and Player Companion Subscriptions effective with issues 144 and 145.


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Sorry for the low turn, buy I've busy with real life issues as well as Skyrim and Fallout 4 modding.

What's up and send an answer to the bird with the word.


Anyone important die last week. Well, Dammed the Styx by Beavers, Ed Lauter passed away.

Hmmmmmm. Can't wait to be Miley Cyrus's wrecking ball.


What supplements contain any information about the Merfolk or Golarion, and too some extent the aquatic races of Golarion as well. I'm generally looking for 5 or 6 products, if they've been published.


Been thinking about doing a d20/pathfinder PbP on the Forum boards in my downtime now that I have lots of it. I'm considering a low-level adventure or introductory style adventure.

Any suggestions?


We know control one city. Tomorrow we control the world


Why not.


New ScyFy that might actually be good. Thoughts, comments, etc.


Roll the dice and within reason design a character for one of any RPGs.
Pathfinder - Roll of order
Attribute: 4d6 - 1d6 + 1d6 - 1 ⇒ (2, 4, 5, 3) - (6) + (3) - 1 = 10
Attribute: 4d6 - 1d6 + 1d6 - 1 ⇒ (1, 2, 2, 3) - (4) + (5) - 1 = 8
Attribute: 4d6 - 1d6 + 1d6 - 1 ⇒ (6, 6, 2, 3) - (5) + (3) - 1 = 14
Attribute: 4d6 - 1d6 + 1d6 + 1 ⇒ (2, 2, 6, 3) - (6) + (1) + 1 = 9
Attribute: 4d6 - 1d6 + 1d6 + 1 ⇒ (1, 5, 5, 2) - (5) + (5) + 1 = 14
Attribute: 4d6 - 1d6 + 1d6 + 1 ⇒ (1, 5, 6, 3) - (6) + (3) + 1 = 13

10 - 17 - 19 - 16 - 14 - 10
Sorcerer - Lawful Neutral - Merchant and Traveling Vagabond
Str: 10 / Int: 17 / Wis: 16 / Dex: 10 / Con: 14 / Cha: 19

OSRIC
Attribute: 4d6 - 1d6 + 1d6 + 1 ⇒ (6, 3, 6, 4) - (2) + (6) + 1 = 24
Attribute: 4d6 - 1d6 + 1d6 - 1 ⇒ (6, 6, 4, 4) - (2) + (5) - 1 = 22
Attribute: 4d6 - 1d6 + 1d6 + 1 ⇒ (1, 5, 6, 2) - (3) + (2) + 1 = 14
Attribute: 4d6 - 1d6 + 1d6 - 1 ⇒ (5, 6, 2, 5) - (5) + (4) - 1 = 16
Attribute: 4d6 - 1d6 + 1d6 + 1 ⇒ (6, 4, 6, 1) - (5) + (4) + 1 = 17
Attribute: 4d6 - 1d6 + 1d6 - 1 ⇒ (6, 6, 6, 5) - (6) + (6) - 1 = 22

15 - 12 - 19 - 18 - 15 - 15
Wizard - Lawful Evil - Summoner and practitioner of outer planar creatures
Str: 15 / Int: 19 / Wis: 15 / Dex: 12 / Con: 15 / Cha: 18

GAMMA WORLD SECOND EDITION
Attribute: 4d6 - 1d6 + 1d6 + 1 ⇒ (6, 5, 1, 1) - (1) + (4) + 1 = 17
Attribute: 4d6 - 1d6 + 1d6 + 1 ⇒ (3, 4, 4, 1) - (2) + (6) + 1 = 17
Attribute: 4d6 - 1d6 + 1d6 + 1 ⇒ (1, 1, 2, 4) - (4) + (1) + 1 = 6
Attribute: 4d6 - 1d6 + 1d6 - 1 ⇒ (5, 6, 1, 4) - (6) + (5) - 1 = 14
Attribute: 4d6 - 1d6 + 1d6 - 1 ⇒ (4, 6, 2, 1) - (6) + (4) - 1 = 10
Attribute: 4d6 - 1d6 + 1d6 - 1 ⇒ (4, 1, 3, 2) - (1) + (3) - 1 = 11

14 - 10 - 18 - 10 - 16 - 18
Mutant Antromorph (Cat - Male)- Mentalist - Neutral Evil
Str: 10 / Int: 18 / MSt: 18 / Dex: 14 / Con: 10 / Cha: 16

GURPS
Attribute: 4d6 - 1d6 + 1d6 + 1 ⇒ (5, 4, 3, 2) - (5) + (2) + 1 = 12
Attribute: 4d6 - 1d6 + 1d6 + 1 ⇒ (4, 5, 6, 5) - (2) + (1) + 1 = 20
Attribute: 4d6 - 1d6 + 1d6 - 1 ⇒ (6, 5, 1, 4) - (3) + (4) - 1 = 16
Attribute: 4d6 - 1d6 + 1d6 - 1 ⇒ (3, 6, 5, 3) - (5) + (2) - 1 = 13

16 - 15 - 14 - 12
Barbarian - Hyborian Age - Vanir/Viking-esque
Str: 16 / Int: 12 / Dex: 14 / Hth: 15


My Father and older brother have passed away and with the last paperwork finished, I am authorized to sell any and all books they possessed.

I'm am now on Amazon.com with old gaming books, handcover novels, paperbacks, and soon DVDs to sell at cheap prices.

Come one, come all.


Wow! That came out of no where.


I'm a die-hard Green Lantern comic book fan and I'm enjoying the rivalry between Sinestro and Hal Jordan and I have been waiting for Johns and Crew to explain their origin and connection to Abin Sur.

Without further diliberations, Previews here and here will make there way to the comic stores in a week or two.

I have my suspicions about the Indigo tribe, but I do not want to spoil it.


In one or two sentences, describe an undead monster/Aberration/Critter from 3E/3.5R/Pathfinder and its lair.

Hmmmm, an aquatic-derived lich, cover in kelp, starfish, and sea urchins residing inside a watertight shipwreck protected by his aggressive white shark familiar.....


It's that time of the evening where I bid everyone farewell. Good night and keep it safe.


John Carpenter's The Thing still remains one of my favorite monster movies of all time and I caught the trailer to its newest incarnation on Netflixs this Summer. Who's up for the newest installment of the Thing? Anyone checking it out in October?


I'm curious to see what are your likes in the new DC publications. When the time is right and the last of the new 52 first issues is released, tell what is on your pull list and why.

No Marvel Comics, just DC Comics.


Anyone purchase these maps and used them in a table top game?


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Are there any good web comics out there that can tickle my fancy. I looking for just about anything, Pathfinder, D&D, general audience, mature content, etc. Anything with a link or two.


I'm shocked, simply shocked at the news and here.

What a terrible loss, an irreplaceable talent to the comic book industry.


It's both an outdoor sport and aggravated battery. Get your nine irons kiddies and let the games begin...


I came across a variant spell, similar to a wall of force found in one Paizo book or another. It enables the caster to conjure a wall of force, but in a hemispherical shield and use it to shield him from damage. Can anyone on the forum board point me to the right source book.


Has anyone ever used any of the Legends and Lairs source books from Fantasy Flight Games?

If so, which books did you use?

Were they compatible were they in a campaign setting, home brew or published?


Working out an idea for a fighter/cavalier split class, but I'm looking for a good prestige class. I plan to insert the NPC into Cheliax, but I need something that can symbolize his devilish-qualities.


Lets start this off shall we?

01. This simple locket appears to be no more than any other keepsake. Hand-crafted from fine gold and adorned with a similar golden chain. It radius no hint or evil or magic until it is opened. Inside is a lithographic or etched likeness of the lich as if it were in his or her human life. The locket begins to fill with blood, a symbol of all the atrocious it committed in its long existence.


Is there an arcane item somewhere in the Pathfinder game line that can boost the Caster level of a low-wizard or sorcerer? I'm looking for something that will give a +01 or +02 bonus.


I got this one in the old e-mail basket, about five minutes ago.

Hello, Steve,
I've heard that your wife is about to give birth to your firstling and you're going to be present at the childbirth.
You know, two years ago I became a father too, but after I had seen my young wife in labor
I couldn't bring myself to make love to her for several months.
So there are a few tips on how to avoid my sad experience.

Pathetic, really pathetic.

Comments, remarks, does anyone wish to share the sarcasm and snide comments?


Is it possible to modify the psionic abilities of an aboleth, like save ECL can be used to modify the abilities and potential class skills of an illithid if the illithid were used as a player or even non-player character? I have an idea for two psionic aboleths I want to use as villains.


"...So you are allowing him free passage through your realm?" chuckles Kardum. Taking Endalla by her waist and pulling her closer Kardum whispers into her ear, His tongue soon motions too. "You were always my favorite."

Unswayed by Kardum's blunt sexual advances, Endalla merely watches. "No. Those fools from the Board will find their slave and all the hopeless memories I funneled into his mid soon enough. Our rather what is left of him."

Endalla watched with sadism as the plane's century devised time field ages the mortal fool into an old frail man in a matter of seconds. Then chaotic process of chronology continues as the spy withers into a dry corpse, then a brittle skeleton, and finally dust covered skull in a matter of minutes. That too fades from sight and the remnants of the spy are removed to another plane.


Insects of the world, you finally have a thread to call your own.

Come one, come all, bring the kids, discuss topics that concern bugs and insects alone.

No fumigation.

Driders allowed.


Will Paizo publish a futuristic variation of the Pathfinder Game involving Science Fiction/Super-Heroic/Post-Modern settings?


Somewhere within the Bazaar rests an old house. Long since abandoned and shunned by the populace, it has remained untouched and unexplored for years until now. Lights can be seen flickering at night. Rattling, voices, cries, and weeping soon follow. A howl of angish rushes from the house and into the streets.

Then all is silent.

Something soon is to happen, within the house, and soon a lost child will return home one last time.


Wading through waist high sewage, Nailz proceeds forward some 300 ft and enters an antechamber. Taking a left and two rights, he approaches a gate in the sewage systems. Touching three stones in the gate's surface, the metal fades away.

He enters and the metal fades into place behind him. He steps into another antechamber and proceeds another seventy to eighty feet into a hallway and stops before rubber fill dead end passage. With a wave of his hand, the stone rubber seperates revealing a door. Pressing his hand against it, it slides open into a lavishly furnished room beyond the tunnels.


Upon entering the tavern, the floors, the tables, the walls and the ceiling are decorated with intricate geometric circles. All have symbols, glyphs and arcane writings etched into their surfaces. Some appear to be constellations, others eccentric works-of-art, and others are undecipherable. They never intercept or overlap each other and none are the same size, even down to a quarter-of-an-inch. They seem to garnish the attention first to any one who enters the establishment.

"Welcome good patrons. My name is Ogiva Demont and this my establishment. Many comrades and good clients also know me as Ogiva the Nightbinder, Ogiva of the Ten-Thousand Pacts, and Ogiva of the Many Chains. It honors me to have you in my establishment. Please make yourself comfortable. Empty chairs, tables and booths await. Have my cheerful employees fulfill your orders."

The Ranger and the Dryad is located within the Bazaar of the Bizarre and can be access only through this fashion. Think of it as a thread within a thread. You'll need to post some such about exiting the central through-street and entering the tavern. Someone will be there to serve you shortly. The locales of the Bazaar often call it the R&D.


For me, I used a air blower to sweep all the pigeon crap off the roof and placed silver reflective boarding to reflect some of the heat back into space. My mother is currently mowing the lawn. Ah, cutting the greens and polluting the air we breathe.

Hey WTF happened to arbor day?


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Really beats around the bush, doesn't he?


A solar powered marquee displays the following messages:

Ground Rules

01 No Tribbles on the premise
02 No Demons on the premise
03 No Demon Lord of Tribbles, in fact, no hairballs on the premise at all.
04 No Automatic Weapons on the premise. Only temple security may carry armaments
05 No Target Practice on meat-bags, fleshlings or other living organic creatures. This include human meatbags and their companions
06 No droids, automaton, golems, or other non-living individuals unless stated otherwise or given special permission by Sunny Godhead itself.
07 No red meat, (i.e. hamburger, steak, strips, etc.) unless served from the temple kitchen and Buffet.
08 No projectile vomiting on the grounds or anywhere else in the temple
No floating baby illithids (I still can’t get one out of my head)
09 All unaccompanied shadows will be expelled off the grounds
10 Undead will be detained and vaporized

Friends, adventurers and companions welcome to your new headquarters in the war against evil and darkness.


Legends and recently unearth journals state that the location of the Blackrock Tomb, once lost after the Battle of the Twelve, is located behind a waterfall in the Downshipp Mountains. An unholy vault, dedicated to hostile foreign planar entities and their foul mother-goddesses, whose interior has never been mapped now beckons to the foolhardy, greedy and curious alike. Likewise, all attempts to map the interior are somehow foiled. Earlier recordings stated that some passages twist and turn on their own through tainted sorcery. The tomb is also believed to be the final resting place of the Paladins of the Righteous Scar, a fallen knighthood now lost as they sought to extinguish the evil with the vaults of the tomb itself.

Twin nude Mariliths form the archway and entrance, their many arms grasping their counterparts from some fifteen feet above the entrance’s floor. The tomb consists of several single corridors, all housing mirrors, duplicated down to the smallest detail and engraved with elaborate tactile knots carved into the woodwork into the stone by magic. Ghostly faces appear with in the mirrors, or sometimes colors but no shapes. Phantasmal sounds chime horrifically with armor and weapons scrapping across the stone floors of the tomb. Soon voices howl, then all is silent.

Okay, add something productive to it. Pathfinder/Third Edition Revised [3.5] only.


I now have a facebook account.

Look for Jeffrey N. Williams and send friendly inquiries.


Sunny Godhead wrote:
Davaar, seek out Lynora-Jill in the Cult of the Angry Jacks. Find her and warn her of the danger that lies ahead. I charge you to defend her from the gathering storm.

Donning the last of his gear, the sun elf shealths his sword and replies to the sky.

"So be it my master. No evil shall harm her, no storm shall rain on her parade. This I swear."

He sets off to find the Cult of the Angry Jacks


Looking for an opinion on Castles & Crusades, especially their adventure modules. Has anyone tried them and are they worth purchasing? Second, can they be adapted for any other campaign setting?


Okay, the temple's open. Come on an introduce yourself.

All manner of behavior is excepted and I take no substitutes.

let ceaseless mirth begin.


Would Paizo ever publish a large scale mega-dungeon along the lines of the Ruins of Undermountain (box set) or the Ruins of Myth Drannor *box set again)? Second, would they publish one for the Pathfinder setting?


Does Absalom, the city, have dungeons and crypts worthy of exploration beneath it? What source books can I find the necessiary information?


Are Gnolls and Hobgoblins representive races in Golarion? Is so, where would they be positioned geographically in the world and what are their choice locations in Golarion? Best for raiding, trade, dungeons, etc.


Tired of the same old cult. Tired of the dark dungeons and bloody alters. Has Orcus and Demogorgon got you down in the Abyssal dumps. I'm here to announce that I can add something better to your frosty winter day.

Tired of snow?

Tired of rain?

Tired of Things that go bump in the night under a full moon?

Tired of Battlestar Galactica?

Come be apart of the Bright and Sunny Cult. I, your deity, Sunny Godhead will personally brighten your day in any way I can.

Interested? Post your questions, and await for a sunny reply.


A pigeon a day keeps the sparrows away, or something like that......


I recently loaded my old microprose disc, the one that's labeled Magic the Gathering.

God, it was a mistake.

I haven't been able to keep away from MtG for a week now. I've purchased 2 ten edition starter sets, 4 booster packs and have allowed my older brother into the dueling me.

Is this a problem? Am I selfish and rotten? Can I go cold turkey?

Let the snide comments and character assassinations being.

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There's actually a city named Normal in Illinois. I found a Facebook page for the Bloomington/Normal Pathfinder Society. So, thinking they would be the standard for what a Normal lodge would be like. :)

I checked there is no city named Avrage, so there is no Avrage PFS lodge.

There are several cities named Standard, so it looks like we might have more than one Standard to go by.

I also found a town called Lodge, so there could be a Lodge Lodge out there.

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Thomas "Thommo" Orrick wrote:

My apologies, GM GRIM, that Primary Target roll of 21 was the to hit on the ranged Strike. This is my first time playing a Soldier (or even seeing one in action). I'd interpreted the Primary Target as giving a chance to rebuff the selected enemy for the Area attack.

Looking online, the general consensus seems to be there's a damage roll as well. I'm not really sure how it works with the Area weapon. I'll roll the damage roll below, but it will be unlikely be enough to take red down.

Oops, good catch, I was trying to post before bed and read your attack roll as damage.

There's a lot going on there.
1. Your primary attack is a normal attack roll and damage roll against a single creature in the area.
2. After that, roll for area damage once, and then all targets in the area roll reflex saves against the damage. (This is what I was referring to for only one roll)
3. If your primary target rolls a success against your Area Fire or Auto-Fire action, they get a failure instead.
4. Enemies in the affected area who fail their save against your attack become suppressed.

I'll update the corrections in a bit.

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Gary Bush wrote:


I am glad I am not in your lodge. We would likely clash and clash often because of your almost hostile and confrontational attidude.

Or you two might get along just fine in person, but the internet is getting in the way.

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After reading Era of the Eclipse, I'm excited to see the Order of the Eclipse appearing in a scenario.

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I'm still hopeful things will change. I even bought special hero points for Guilt of the Grave World

hero points

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Great timing, having this adventure come out in October. The hero points I'm using for this adventure.

Hero points fit for Guilt of the Grave World.

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I think one reason we don't have PF2e classes in SF2e organized play yet is that the devs want to give Starfinder a chance to be Starfinder first. To that end, it's likely only a few PF2e classes at a time would be added in. For one, I think the investigator makes more sense in SF2e than PF2e. Although it could use some updated features to fit the flavor more. I think the fighter would be great for Vesk Doshko honor guard. I like the idea of PF2e rouges in SF2e, so we have a rogue that is not also a hacker, at least not as a class feature.

For organized play, I think the biggest issue is not access to PF2e classes or ancestries; it's that the organized play rules are not compatible between SF2e and PF2e.

I have lots of interesting ideas for characters with just the classes we have now, and I never even got around to playing all the classes in SF1e. So I'm in no hurry for more classes than I can play. But anytime you have a new game, there are fewer options, so I try to build characters that we have not wanted. I wish we had, and I'm never disappointed. I still like getting new options, but I'm not in a rush for them.

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Squiggit wrote:
I do think one thing that might be compounding it a bit is that the SF2 classes are somewhat narrower than their SF1 counterparts.

I think you are right, but it might be a good thing too. With PF2e being compatible with SF2e, that's a lot of classes. To have any design room left for more classes, it helps to make them more narrowly focused. It's also easy to add more features to or add new subclasses.

I'm also guessing that, over time, we will see some PF2e classes allowed in SF2e organized play. There's a big difference between allowing a PF2e character in SF2e and making an SF2e character with a PF2e class.

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Players' guide for Guilt of the Grave Worlds is in the works due to popular demand.

The announcement for it is around 59 minutes into the video.

Paizo Live Oct 3 .

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Kishmo wrote:

Khajiit did Kishmo did nothing wrong! Kishmo is innocent of this crime! What is the charge? Enjoying a sanctioned adventure? Enjoying a succulent, generically sanctioned, adventure?

(Maybe some s%$~posts will help the cause? I'm trying here, ok? XD)

I don't have a s!+*post in mind, but I do have a conspiracy theory. The "Guilt" in Guilt of the Grave worlds is that the leaders of Eox feel bad about not scantaining adventurers on Eox. In the final chapter of the AP, the PCs have to convince the leaders of Eox to sanction the AP.

reposted to fix the quotes

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VampByDay wrote:
John Woodford wrote:

GameDay runs through late November. However, at least some of the games here that started in early September should be winding down soon.

I'm already seeing open game announcements on Discord, if that's more your jam.

I just want to get into Starfinder 2e and no one in my local group is playing it.

Change of plans, I think I can handle one more game.

I'm running Mystery on the Frozen Moon in a live game Saturday. I still need to do some prep for it tomorrow. Give me a few days, and I'll start recruiting to run it on the forums here. It'll be under the GM name GRIM*! Gaming Network. I'll need some time to prep it for Play by Post. The earliest start date would be the end of next week, but it may be longer depending on how recruiting goes.

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If they are standard card size, you can put them in 9 pockets, 3-ring binder pages.

I also agree with BNW on usability vs whitespace. I'm ok with some white space to avoid page flipping when possible.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
Finoan wrote:

I'm sorry that you are sad.

That is one of the few downsides of doing public playtesting. People get to see the rough drafts of these classes - some being too weak and some being too strong. And if the playtest version is decided to be too strong and is reined in for the release, then people will naturally like the playtest version better because it is stronger.

the 2es have a problem where abilities tend to be fairly weak, so nerfing them turns them into an absolute nothingburger. I don't think its the fault of the powergaming munchkins when something just plain isn't worth using, ever.

One of the benefits of 2e is having a lot of optional actions, but that exacerbates the above problem. Anything you want to add on to that pile HAS to be at least situationally better than the other options your character has or it doesn't get used. IE, if something isn't better than firing a pistol at -10 its the same as it being worthless.
Starship combat had that problem when options were worse than "more hands on the guns"

The listing for Starfinder Galactic Ancestries is now up on the Paizo store. It says it has "a host of stellar options for familiar ancestries, including Starfinder favorites like reptilian vesk and insectoid shirrens," not sure if that's the complete list of core ancestries getting new options, but I'd be surprised if it's just those two.

I suspect the book you are hoping for is the Compleat Guide to Ysoki Cheekpouch, a 400-page book with a fold-out poster-sized map showing everything you can fit in a cheekpouch. I'm also hoping for the Complete Guide to pizza topping from around the galaxy for shirren, so many options... so many choices... I think the Vesk book would just be the Alien Core, renamed Things You Can Hit With A Doshko, with the end of the book having more types of doshko.

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HolyFlamingo! wrote:


Circling back to what I said earlier about over/underpowered options, I'd like to acknowledge that, yes, stronger and weirder options are part of Starfinder's appeal.

This is the Cantina feel you often hear the developers talking about.

HolyFlamingo! wrote:


All that said, vesk are still a little more popular than dragonkin at the tables I've seen so far, likely because they're free and come with a lot of fun lore and flavor

Vesk were way more common in SF1e. I've been to a lot of parties with a vesk. It was one of the most commonly played species. I never once was in a game with a Dragonkin. That may have been because dragonkin came later in SF1e.

Something no one has mentioned is that vesk are medium and draginkin are large. Being large has its drawbacks. Large creatures have to squeeze through 5-foot-wide corridors; in a 10-foot-wide corridor, it's easy to block your own party. More opponents can engage you in melee at one time, and more opponents can flank you at one time; you're a big target.

Partner Bond is really hard to use in organized play unless you have a friend who plays your Bonded Partner that you know will be at every game with you. Easier to do in a home game, but it's an option that still takes 2 players to make it work; it's a powerful benefit, but it has a cost that playing a vesk or almost any other species doesn't have. Also, lots of species in Starfinder have limited telepathy that doesn't require bonding.

Vesk have a lot of lore, most of the book Near Space is about their home star system. They are involved in a major war with the Azlanti. Vesk have deep and varied history wiht the Pact Worlds. Dragonkin lore is mostly focused around planet the Triaxus.

Meanwhile, I know players who only play humans because they don't want to give up getting an extra general skill feat.

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I think how people play might have a big factor on how they prep.

In play-by-post, I'm used to having to convert all stat blocks into a usable format for dice expressions in the forums, but the pace of play is so slow that it doesn't matter to have it all done before starting the game.

I have no VTT experience.

My first live game GMing SFS was 2 weeks ago. I printed out the scenario, and I made a note card for each encounter or skill challenge (most of the skill challenges listed 6 or 7 options.) I practiced a few times, reading through the scenario. Then, at the last minute decided to use my Chromebook instead, although I brought the printout as a backup. I think I could have run the game fine without most of my note cards using the printout, since I could see 2 full pages at a time, and flipping a page was easy and showed more. Using the Chromebook book I could only see about 2/3 of a page at a time; it was easy to get lost scrolling, so I would have had a really hard time without the note cards.

So, as a new live play GM, I think having to do the prep helped me out a lot. Having the new shorter 2-3 hour-long scenario helped too. I also like having time to add things to a scenario to make it longer if there is time. I would be horrible at trying to time manage a scenario to fit a tight time schedule, which scares me away from GMing more than prep time does.

So if I'm playing from a printout, I'd want the stat blocks in the scenario as they happen. If I'm using my Chromebook, I'd rather have them in the back if they are included, so they are easy to print out, so it's easier to follow the text and have the stat blocks on separate note cards or printouts. So it's hard for me to say which is best.

For one scenario, I have plenty of time to prep one scenario, but 2 of the other Starfinder GMs are too busy with work or college to GM right now, so I'm not trying to prep 4 scenarios at one time, while also playing a live character in PFS2 and 2 other SFS characters online.

Maybe I shouldn't count as a new live GM for this conversation, in the sense that I had already played PF2e, SF1e, and SF2e for 3 years, already use AON, already am familiar with organized play rules, and GM a couple of play-by-post. Even with that experience, moving to GM Live felt like a big step. For someone who doesn't know the OP rules, or has used AON, and or is new to the game. Adding having to find and prep stat blocks is a lot to deal with.

But even if time were not an issue, there are a lot of what-ifs that could happen if stat blocks are not included.

1. Oops, I forgot my note cards
2. I was planning on using AON, oops, there's no wifi
3. I forgot to charge my Chromebooks' batteries; luckily, I brought a printout with stat blocks.
4. This one happened to our VO. He was ready to play a character, and just as we were about to start, 3 new players showed up. So the VO and one other player dropped out of our table to make a 3rd table instead of turning away the new players. Luckily, the VO had a backup scenario with him, much harder to do if it didn't have stat blocks in it.
5. If the stat block in the scenario is just a note saying see page 243 of some book, there is a chance during prep to miss it and not prep it at all.

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Master Han Del of the Web wrote:
People continuing to undervalue Lore categories is even more disheartening.

Especially when a lot of the time, using a lore skill reduces the DC of a skill check.

All that's needed to add more science to the game is for the writers or GM to include more skill checks with Life Science Lore, Physical Science Lore, and or the players using them.

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At this point, the best we can do is adapt to the changes. My headcanon fix are.

Lore = Profession
Crafting = DIY Crafting
Nature = Natural Sciences

It's a retcon from SF1e using lore over Profession, but I justify the change because the Lore Spire has always been one of the centers of knowledge in Starfinder.

Another reason for out-of-date sounding terms could be the Gap. Perhaps the Gap causes people to go back to using older pre-Gap terms due to all the lost records and memories.

One thing I found interesting is that there is no engineering lore in the Player Core looks like it might have been replaced with Technology Lore.
But it also looks like Paizo doesn't expect you to limit yourself to just the listed lores. In The Great Absalom Relay, there are 4 lore skills listed that you can use for skill challenges that don't appear to be published in SF2e, although one of them is in PF2e.

Since the skill names are already set, I think a better way to add more science back into the game is through background and archetypes.

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I totally get that it must have been frustrating to drive that far and then not have a copy of the scenario you expected to get. I'm not blaming anyone. I was just trying to say it's much harder to try to fix something an hour before the game starts. If anything, the Venture Officer should have let the volunteers know what they needed to bring. Everyone's human and makes mistakes; I'm all about how to make it better for next time.

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Whatever the solution is, it seems like something that should have been worked out long before ever getting in a car to drive 90 minutes.

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Kishmo wrote:
Driftbourne wrote:
Kishmo, you could spend a hero point to reroll your diplomacy check.

Oh, that I could! I spent all of my space-hero points on frivolous re-rolls of the Operation: Seaside Park gacha boon, trying to get a jumbo plush squox XD no ragrets

(For real though I wasn't trying to be rude, just asking for any updates about a relevant product, in place where Paizo people were posting. Apologies if I botched the Diplomacy or came off rude, that wasn't my intent.)

No one thought you were being rude. I was just hoping a reroll might have gotten a different answer from Paizo. (I had no expectations that it would have worked, but I'm overly hopeful.)

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I appreciate your split reaction to my split reaction ;-)

Pyrius_42 wrote:
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If Paizo had used CSS statblocks in Battle for Nova Rush, my guess is they would have broken it up more, maybe only using CSS for the ending and victory points and hazards for dealing with the inside threats.

That is possible. I think that is the beauty of the system. When someone creates a CSS it can be tuned towards their needs / playing style.

Also while at first it was a little intimidating in giving this system a try for the first time, it turned out to be pretty easy.

It's a mix of complex hazards, vector points, and uses creatures building rules for balance and leveling. Very easy to make every SCC feel different. But it's very much a GM tool and not a pick from a list of options system that SF1e Starships were. So I don't think some people see how powerful it is. I think once more people see it in use in adventures, opinions will change.

I think how complex a CSS can reasonably get will come down to how hard it is to track everything going on in it.

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Redelia wrote:

If these adventures are not sanctioned, I'm concerned that it would set off the following chain of events:

-sales are significantly lower for modules for SF2, because many of those buying modules were doing so in order to run them for society credit
-those at Paizo who make business decisions misinterpret this drop in sales; they conclude that there is not interest in modules, and so stop making them

If Paizo had any evidence to believe that GMs who would not otherwise buy the book are buying the book in order to run the adventure specifically for Society credit and that this is a significant factor in adventure book sales, then this decision would not have been made.

Consider that in SFS2, book ownership is required in order to use a character option from the book. Therefore, from the point of view of whether Org Play is helping book sales, it matters not at all whether anyone actually runs or plays the adventure in the book for Society credit. What matters is that people buy the book because the book contains some cool character option they want to use for their actual Society character.

If the only reason to own something for organized play is for character options, then I'll just wait until I need those options and only get the PDF from now on. Murder in Metal City takes up too much space on my bookshelf for just a few character options. Sad to see it go to the used books store. Meanwhile, Dawn of the Frogs is sanctioned.

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For the record, I also would support chronicles for longer adventures. I want them too. If nothing else, for parity between PFS and SFS so it isn't so glaringly obvious that SFS participants are less valued. (Although such parity could certainly be achieved in a different way, so there's that.) But the thinking behind providing chronicles would need to be "because Paizo likes their Starfinder Society players and GMs and thinks that giving them sanctioned adventures makes them more engaged customers and therefore helps sales overall" and not "because Paizo believes book sales are visibly increased by GMs buying them to run specifically for Society credit".

The original comment now has 52 likes and over 40 comments, all supporting her idea. How often do people (engaged customers) on the internet all agree on something...

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Here's a middle-of-the-night, I can't sleep suggestion. If Paizo does stick to the idea of removing statblocks, here's a compromise.

1. Keep stat blocks in multi-table specials as Hmm suggested.

2. Write the seasons' intros for new GMs, the way that Junkers Delight was written, and include stat blocks. Make it a true repeatable like Acts of Associations, since a local organized play group might have multiple new GMs per season.

3. Include at least 1 first contact scenario each season, with all creatures in it unique to the scenario, so all the stat blocks are included. Makes for another scenario that's good for new GMs, and is a good backup scenario to run on 5 minutes' notice if you need to run another table for new players.

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I play in Starfinder Society, so I haven't had a chance to make my own cinematic starship scenes. I did play a character in Battle for Nova Rush. Although it doesn't use the cinematic starship scene stat block from the GM Core, you can tell it was based on the concept. I think cinematic starship scenes are highly underrated. It's a very good role-playing way to deal with ship encounters.

I love that ships can get persistent damage; that's easy to homebrew damage into an ongoing hazard the crew has to deal with.

Or when the ship takes x amount of damage, hazards appear at random stations around the ship, which can damage the PCs.

Best crew action for healers: healing injured crew members.

Allowing a mechanic to mount their turret to the outside of the ship.

Not sure how quantum fields react in space, but it's an interesting place to look for ideas.

Thanks for posting this, great to see people using it. I hope more people post examples.

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Cheekpouches still do nothing that having a hoodie pocket doesn't.

I'm amangining that skittemander hoddies have 3 sets of pockets...

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Those statblocks, though...that remains a deal-killer, especially since I have yet to see any plausible explanation other than cost-cutting.

A couple of reasons why I think cutting stat blocks from scenarios is bad, and worse than having stat blocks missing from APs.

A higher percentage of APs are likely to be run as home games, where you are more likely to have all your books or someone else nearby, or a computer.

The other big advantage APs have is that there's no time pressure to get it finished in one session, most of the time. So if you have to stop to look something up, and you get behind you just pick up where you left off next week, instead of rushing to finish.

A scenario with stat blocks makes it easy to run on short notice, and by short notice, I mean a GM called out because they were sick, and some steps in with 5 minutes notice to prep and run a scenario. It would likely be one they ran before, but without stat blocks in it, if they didn't bring the right books, they couldn't run it. Or if enough new players show up to start a 2nd or 3rd table, and one of the experienced players from one of the games drops out to GM for the new players, again, much easier to do if the scenario has stat blocks. Those are situations that could stop a game from happening.

Having said all of that, the shorter scenarios, only covering 2 levels, are easier to prep. You don't have to pick between 2 tiers of creature stat blocks for each encounter, and there is normally only 1 or 2 combat encounters. So fewer creatures to prep as well.

I tend to over-prepare and make notecards for all the stat blocks, so it doesn't matter to me where I get the stat block. So for me, the big issue is will not having stat blocks will prevent some games from happening on short notice. Or for GMs who don't have spare time to do extra prep.

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bugleyman wrote:
Driftbourne wrote:

The shorter run time is not about cutting costs; it's about a lot of game stores not staying open as late as they used to on week nights. There's nothing fun about the GM having to hand handwave all the exploration to have enough time for combat. In Arizona, there is nothing fun about having to finish the game and filling out chronicles in a parking lot when it's 110 degrees outside.

Are you basing that on anything in particular?

There was an organized play survey at the end of last year. Scenario length was one of the questions on it. I don't have time to go through 10 months of blog posts and Paizo live videos, but somewhere it was said that shorter scenarios are something that scored high on the survey. So the idea for shorter scenarios didn't come from Paizo trying to cut costs; it was from customer feedback. Cutting stat blocks, that's a different story; that one is on Paizo, and I think it's a bad idea for scenarios and organized play, much more so than it is for APs.

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Because as far as I can see, that argument doesn't really hold water unless all of seasons 1-6 are discard, rendering at least ~80% of existing PFS content unusable, as it won't fit in a 3 hr slot. That just doesn't seem realistic for most groups. YMMV, I guess.

Nothing has been discarded. There's nothing saying you can't run longer scenarios or even run 2 back to back, assuming you are playing somewhere that allows time for it.

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BTW, I'm also in AZ. We may even know each other...

I think I met you briefly before I ran the Starfinder Scenario on Saturday.

The newer Tempe SFS2/PFS2 group plays on Saturdays, so scenario length is really not an issue with the store being open from 10am to 10pm, there's even enough time to run 2 back to back. I don't organize the events, so I don't know if we have a scheduled time limit not related to the store closing. But the old Tempe/Mesa group played on Sundays and had to be done by 5pm, some games had to be handwaved and rushed a lot to finish on time.

Not all groups play on weekends, and a lot of stores cut hours after the pandemic. Trying to run a scenario after work and being done by 9pm is hard.

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Edit: Wow, that is a really impressive run of good reviews for Starfinder 2e scenarios. I am jelly. :-P

Which is a good indication that the 2-3 hour long scenarios can still be fun. They're also easier to prep, which has been my experience from either side of the table.

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Cassi wrote:
Also, dropping the stat blocks may not neccessarily be shrinkflation. Have you considered that Society scenarios generally have an allocated number of pages to a scenario. What if you got more plot, encounters or fun skill challenges in exchange for those statblock pages?

Given that scenarios are now going to run 2-3 hours, rather than 4, I don't see how that could really be the case -- especially since we're talking about PDF products, where page count itself has no marginal cost (and so they could have included those things without cutting the stat blocks).

I'll be glad if I'm wrong, but I doubt it. The entirely trajectory of PFS over the several years has just felt too much like cost-cutting.

The shorter run time is not about cutting costs; it's about a lot of game stores not staying open as late as they used to on week nights. There's nothing fun about the GM having to hand handwave all the exploration to have enough time for combat. In Arizona, there is nothing fun about having to finish the game and filling out chronicles in a parking lot when it's 110 degrees outside.

Paizo has had to deal with the pandemic, tariffs, and now the Diamond bankruptcy. Paizo also unionised, which I think is a good thing, but that had a cost too. All of that adds up in the cost of making the game.

I'm not a fan of the idea of removing stat blocks, but I don't think it's to save space in a PDF. I think (a wild guess) it's more about simplifying the creation and editing process. The chance of making a mistake when referencing a stat block in a Bestary is very low compared to copying it into an adventure or scenario.

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Starfinder 2e already made the switch to 2-3 hour-long scenarios, which got a price drop to $5.99. I don't see anywhere that it suggests the price would be any different for the shorter PF2e scenarios coming out next year. Did I miss something?

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Just got home from running The Great Absalom Relay. The total runtime was 2:30 with one 5-minute break.

The fake microphone was a big success with the players, especially when I got up and walked around the table doing interviews. I also went around the table with the mic either before or after a task, asking how things went or how they thought the teams would do in the challenge about to happen.

The other thing I did was track how many credits the team made in donations each round. I made a chart with how much they get for each round based on how many points they got, with big bonuses for saving Nib and defeating the Cy-boars. I then had Rick Molburn announce the total. The PCs came in 2nd in the relay, but I had them be the top fundraiser.

I hyped up the VR race at the Click Clack club by using one of my unfinished characters as the neighborhood champion. A space goblin who thinks they are the best pilot in the galaxy, but is all hype and not really a good pilot at all. I did a big introduction hyping up the neighborhood champion, and then both PCs rolled crit success in the first round. So I had the neighborhood champion sabotage his VR rig so he had an excuse why he lost. So the race ended in a crash, which led to some good interviews.

I used the menu I made for Acts of Association, so it was nice to have that tie-in.

I had a blast running this, I'm courious what others have done with it.

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I'm really excited by the Order of the Eclipse. They seem to be in complete opposition to Zo!, which means that at some point, Zo! might need the help of the Starfinder Society to deal with the Order of the Eclipse. If not in organized play, maybe in Guilt of the Grave world.

Also, having com units and the infosphere completely changes how Starfinder feels from Pathfinder. But having that kind of access to communication and information all the time can get in the way of telling some types of stories. Having the Order of the Eclipse show up and block communication could be a useful tool.

If you call yourself hellknights, and wear cosplay armor to look the part, and you go around enforcing strict law and order at all costs, if people want it or not, why wouldn't actual Hell decide to influence, manipulate, help, and infiltrate your organization? At some point, that help comes with a contract, then it's too late to go back. I kind of see the average Hellknight like how some Americans are useful idiots for other countries, whether they know it or not. The Hellknight leadership likely knows what's going on and is likely under some kind of Hellish contract.

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I just made a fake microphone to bring to the game to interview the PCs if the game is running too fast, or to give the players who are not doing the current task something to do.

It's a silly prop, just a cardboard tube with black duct tape, but trying to read text out loud, holding the fake microphone, helped bring out my inner Rich Molburn. I'm hoping it does the same, handing it to the players when doing interviews or introductions.

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After using hell drives for 300+ years, why wouldn't Hell Knights have a closer relationship with hell?

Starship Operations Manual pg. 11 wrote:
Helldrives run on fuel condensed from damned souls, and some planar scientists speculate that the very act of operating a Helldrive is akin to signing an infernal contract, with the user’s soul pledged to become fuel for the next generation of Helldrives.

Era of the Eclipse also shows an early relationship with devils right after the Gap, especially devil lawyers drawing up contracts.

I had no interest in Hell Knights in SF1e, and no idea what they do in PF2e, but they seem much more interesting after reading Era of the Eclipse and the Galaxy Guide.

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Here are a few quick suggestions.

Page 8: https://paizo.com/products/btq069xe?Starfinder-FlipMat-Basic-Terrain

Page 18: https://paizo.com/products/btq0dqg6?Starfinder-FlipMat-Garage-Warehouse

or https://cdn.paizo.com/image/content/Secondary/PZO7313-Sample_500.jpeg

Page 19 and 22: Any blank dry-erasable map, and draw your own.

page 29: https://paizo.com/products/btq08526?Starfinder-FlipMat-Planetary-Terrain-Mu ltiPack

or https://paizo.com/products/btq01zob?Starfinder-FlipMat-Ice-World

or https://paizo.com/products/btq02edz?Pathfinder-FlipMat-Classics-Winter-Fore st

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If you need to vote on what would annoy you more, you likely will be annoyed no matter what.

I'm glad to wait for tactical starship combat. Meanwhile, we have the cinematic starship scenes, which I think a lot of people are writing off without really seeing their potential. People on Reddit were saying there are no starships in the GM Core, but here's a list of ships that have stat blocks, despite that.

RC-HPR is known as a rock hopper
Pale Butcher Scout vessel
Idaran Peregrinasi-style explorer-class starship
Norikama prototype

If you look at just the starship part of the Cinematic Starship Scenes examples, the ship part of the stat block is longer than the stat block of most vehicle stat blocks.

Adventurally, we might get ships with separate stat blocks that can be plugged into a cinematic starship scene stat block.

The ship-building rules keep referencing the Building Creatures rules; the ships have saving throws, resistances, and weaknesses. Ships can take persistent damage, can have more than one pilot. This is all huge news coming from SF1e

Cinematic starship scenes, and ship building are combining complex hazards, victory point system, and the creatures building rules for scaling and balance. There's nothing to playtest here; it's all well-tested subsystems being used. If tactical starship combat uses the same scaling and balance as Cinematic starship scenes and creature building, then most of the math is done. I suspect the tactical and Cinematic rules might even work together. That just leaves ship-building, character options, and moving and maneuvering rules for starships to play test for tactical rules.

You could easily use the Cinematic starship scenes to play the Death Star trench run from Star Wars. I think that Cinematic starship scenes could have covered 70% to 90% of the starship battles I was in in SF1e. My guess is that Cinematic starship scenes start to not work well if the PCs have more than one ship. So I think the playtest for tactical rules started now, by trying to find what you can't do with Cinematic starship scenes.

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Trying to keep this game related...

This is what happens when a government is run by someone with.
+10 deception
+10 intimidation
-10 diplomacy
-10 economic lore
-10 will save vs big building, faltery, money, or women
Has the confused and controlled condition,
and is easily dazzled and fascinated by posted to the infoshpere.

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Starfinder 1e used EAC and KAC. Kac was almost always better than EAC, which encouraged the use of energy weapons vs kinetic weapons.

I don't mind going to just AC, but I was hoping some armor would have resistance to some types of energy, or have upgrade options for that. The Tech Core is not out, so there's still time.

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Mangaholic13 wrote:
Driftbourne wrote:

With the tariffs and the Dimand bankruptcy, I'm just happy we even have Sf2e.

Diamond Bankruptcy Update

The video I posted mentioned both of those.

Also, I AGREE.

That video also shows it's not just Paizo having problems. For some of the other games I play, I have to buy things from out of the country, and some places are simply refusing to even ship the the US anymore.

Another video I don't have saved, unfortunately, was about several small manufacturers trying to source all of their parts from the US, and they couldn't do it.

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With the tariffs and the Dimand bankruptcy, I'm just happy we even have Sf2e.

Diamond Bankruptcy Update

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Saw this on Reddit about the price difference.

Erik Mona wrote:
As to the price relative to the Player Core, I'm afraid it's because the Player Core's retail price is heavily subsidized at this point. Our normal pricing matrix would have that 460-page book's appropriate price at over $90, but since it's the main book for the game we wanted to keep the book closer in price to the rest of the rulebooks in the line. So it's not so much a situation of the GM Core being highly priced, but the Player Core being priced much much lower than it "should" be, which admittedly makes for a challenging comparison here.

Orginal comment. Scroll down to find the comment.

For me, the price of books has gotten so high that I'm mostly buying PDFs now. Also, I'm out of bookshelf room. But I do see how, looking at the book side by side, the pricing seems off if you don't know about the Player Core being heavily subsidized.

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Got the Starfinder GM Core PDF

Chapter 1 Running the Game
PF 50 pages
SF 50 Pages

Chapter 2 Building the Game
PF 79 pages
SF 85 Pages

Chapter 3
PF 39 pages (Age of Lost Omens)
SF 55 Pages (The Pact Worlds)

Chapter 4 (Subsystems)
PF 35 pages
SF 35 Pages

Chapter 5
PF 107 pages (Treasure Trove + treasure tables) *the missing pages
SF 13 Pages (Anachronistic Adventures)

Index
PF 10 pages
SF 12 Pages

Other than Chapter 5 the Starfinder GM Core has 24 more pages covering the same chapters as the Pathfinder GM Core.

All the treasure in the PF GM Core is usable in Starfdiner; it would just be really old treasure.

The other thing that the SF GM Core has that the PF GM Core doesn't is tariffs.

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Driftbourne wrote:
Comparing the PF2e GM Core and SF2e GM Core makes more sense. I've only briefly paged through the GM Core at a game store, and I'm hoping to download it at 12:01 am tonight. But I'm willing to make a wild guess that the 70 missing pages are the Treasure Trove section of the PF2e GM Core, which takes up 108 pages. Starfinder is not a treasure-finding game, but it does have a ton more high-tech equipment that the players can buy, which way SF1e had an entire book of equipment. I suspect the Tech Core will be that + the 2 tech-related classes.
I would love to hear where you suspect the 70 pages were trimmed from when your pdf arrives.

I can arrange that, but once I read it, I won't be able to make wild guesses anymore. But if I were a betting skittermaner, I'd be willing to bet all 6 arms that the Anachronistic Adventures chapter is shorter than the PF2e Treasure Trove chapter.

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I agree, from the start, the Starfinder developers have stated several times that they want to take time to get starship combat right. And from my own experience with starship combat think it's not an easy thing to do

I also agree, I can't see Paizo skipping the play test. I do hope we get some news as to when I might be.

When SF2e was first announced, I started looking at other games with starship combat. Despite half the Starfinder community seeming not to like the Starship combat in the game, I was surprised to see other games talking about how they wish the other game played more like Starfinder's starship combat. I also started playing Star Wars Armada and X-wing, and I still play X-wing.

My big takeaway from all of that is it's not easy to make a good TTRPG space combat that plays like a TTRPG. It's all so hard to make a TTRPG that can tactically compete with X-wing. There's a huge difference between single play vs single player and a team of PCs vs NPCs.

From playing both Armada and X-wing, my big takeaway was, Starfinder might be better off picking a scale of ships to use that makes sense for a party of 4 to 6 PCS to be using for tactical combat. The larger ships in the Armada that don't overlap with the ships in X-wing are like flying cities. Fighting a city-sized ship in a ship built for a crew of 6 isn't a tactical dog fight; it's either like a bomber run or siege warfare. Where that city-sized ship you are attacking is the map, and the PC's ship is a medium-sized pawn base size.

No idea what Pizzo will decide to do in the end wiht tactical starship combat, but RPG-wise for everyone other than the pilot and maybe gunners, I really like what I experienced in Battle for Nova Rush and seen in the cinematic rules for feeling like you are the crew on a starship during a battle in a very TTRPG way.

Regardless of what the tactical starship rules end up as, I'm looking forward to the ship-building rules. Paizo is great at making games with lots of options. I'm hoping to get lots of starship building options that are not just for tactical combat.

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Xenocrat wrote:


I'm betting on no playtest. Having one always seemed like a bad idea: it's inevitably going to make a lot of people mad at the design they chose and they'll have limited time and flexibility to respond to any feedback, so better just to not scare off the preorders.

Honestly yeah. I'm kind of feeling this from SF in general. I keep looking at problems that went ignored from the core playtest or things that Paizo actively made worse and it's a big of a buzzkill. Might enjoy things more if I hadn't started with the playtest at all... and so many things were missed or trashed I'm not sure there's evidence playtesting has really helped here.

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The SF2e Player Core page count is the same as the PF2e Player Core, so I'm guessing the page count was set from the start of development.
Meanwhile GM core is a full 70 pages shorter than its PF counterpart (and 200 pages shorter than SF player core) ... might have been a nice place to re-include some of that cut content. Alas.

I had fun with the playtest, and I'm having fun with SF2e. I didn't take the time to compare the changes and see no reason to. I'm still playing SF1e and playing SF2e at the same time; I have fun with both; I don't even try to compare them, which is why I'm happy playing almost any edition of any game.

As far as character options that didn't make the Player Core, I don't think the GM Core is the right place to add them back in. For anything ancestry-related realted the recently announced ancestry books would be the right place.

I don't think it makes any sense to compare the size of the SF GM Core and Player Core. Comparing the PF2e GM Core and SF2e GM Core makes more sense. I've only briefly paged through the GM Core at a game store, and I'm hoping to download it at 12:01 am tonight. But I'm willing to make a wild guess that the 70 missing pages are the Treasure Trove section of the PF2e GM Core, which takes up 108 pages. Starfinder is not a treasure-finding game, but it does have a ton more high-tech equipment that the players can buy, which way SF1e had an entire book of equipment. I suspect the Tech Core will be that + the 2 tech-related classes.

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- there are species where the sexual dimorphism include size differences in the orders of magnitude

After seeing the video you linked to, I looked up the number for northern giant seadevil anglerfish. Females are 60 times longer and 500,000 times heavier than males. Besides their size difference, their relationship is also orders of magnitude higher on the strangeness scale.

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Another difference is the size of the setting. Starfinder covers an entire galaxy, and Pathfinder takes place for the most part on one planet, and sometimes on the other planets in the same star system that is the Pact Worlds in Starfinder. I don't know Pathfinder lore very well, if there are any exceptions to that, I'm guessing that it's very rare to travel beyond the Golarion star system. Note, I'm not counting planar travel in this.

Question for Pathfinder players: Did all the planes from PF make it into SF?

There's no Drift plane in Pathfinder. Besides being a mode of FTL travel, I also see it as a great GM or adventure writer tool that can be used to explain all kinds of crazy things happening. IT's also a great excuse to explain why a PC disappeared when a Player missed a game session, then have that PC reappear next week.

Starfinder will likely never have a book like Pathfinder Lost Omens: Absalom, City of Lost Omens, because Absalom Station has hundreds of levels. The maps alone would fill the book. Starfinder needs to cover more locations but wiht less detail, largely because in Starfinder you don't have to connect the dots to travel by foot for 3 weeks to get to some place.

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From what little I've seen so far of the cinematic starship rules, I think it's important to try them out before the tactical starship playtest, because I think there is a good chance they could be used together. The cinematic starship rules could be used to set up a mission and its objectives, and any non-combat complications, and then use the tactical rules for just the combat part. In theory, you could have an encounter using cinematic starship rules, tactical starship combat, and be fighting a boarding party with normal combat rules all at the same time.

1: Cinematic starship rules set up the encounter and mission. Do a scan of the system, looking for "something" you must complete this and get out before the star goes supernova or some other time limit. 2 PCs work on the scan. One of the PCs doing the scan may have to decide between helping with the scan and repairing battle damage to keep the ship going.

2: Tactical starship combat deals with the ship getting attacked during the mission. 2 PCs handle this as the pilot and a gunner.

3: Normal combat to deal with a small boarding party or stowaway. 2 PCs deal with this. One of the PCs doing the scan is a healer and may have to choose between helping with scans and healing other PCs.

That's a lot going on, but it's not much more than just a combat with an active hazard going on at the same time. This could work out if the tactical starship rules also use the normal 3 action economy. The only new rules that might be needed here are how the pilot moves the ship and the pilot's initiative order, which might need to be rolled every turn, just for the pilots.

The other part of the full starship rules we are still missing is the ship-building part. One big advantage of doing the Cinematic Starship rules first is that when we do get ship-building rules, they can be developed with both Cinematic and tactical considerations.

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