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That speedy but weak elf gets tangled up in the fruit cart as he crashes into it while the dwarf just powers through, barely hindered by the flying apples and melons.

I assume your chase sequence has a fruit cart

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Another side effect is that Enchanters get a boost. In 1e, Enchanters were cool but very limited (there were odd cases like Kitsune Fey Sorcerer), but now...

Have you seen the Wiz Enchanter's Focus spells? Dread Aura lasts a minute, no save Frightened. In 2e this school is a powerful choice.

And now Sorshen can defend herself against the Tyrant.

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Battle Herald to come back as an archetype.

Good for Fighters, Champions, Bards and more. We play a game which involves lots of fighting, professional military officer should be an archetype. The PF1 Prestige class was very weird, requiring obscure Monk or Cavalier Archetypes to work. a PF2 Battle Herald (or Military Officer, or Warlord, or Commander etc.) will allow for a more strategy-minded Paladin of Iomedae or a brave Bard barking orders.

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Iruxi Monks and Druids, obv. What about Iruxi Barbarians? Can we adapt the Frog Animal Insrinct to be more lizardy? Bite and claw and tongue and tail attacks with a Str bonus look sweeet

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Caladrel can move.. It's great that such a focused concept also allows for a well-made, practical and playable character. She's really good at her job.

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Clear concepts, well-spoken with understandable examples and visuals. Likey lots, subscribed. Keep them up.

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Good post.

I've been making a character inspired by a picture in the Core book, the Bard dancer.

I like the groovy clothes, her attractive complexion, that Mwangi clever magical hippie thing and that 2e Bards have been given the red carpet.

Now we have the Magaambya Academic archetype, just to fit my concept and it's a doozy, especially for a Bard. All killer, no filler. I'll be having that, thank you Paizo people.

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The Ancestry stats are very useable. Let's have... a Venus Flytrap Leshy Barbarian with Frog Animal Instinct (for tongue and bite) and Herbalist Background, maybe a skill increase into Performance, for singing...

We have Audrey II from Little Shop Of Horrors.

The best bit is that this isn't wholly a joke build, it's a playable build.

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*and when was that last a thing? the old Robin Hood movies?
...Pathfinder 1st edition?

The Pathfinder 1st edition with Arcane Duelist Bards, Sandman, Archaologist, Dervish Dancer, Celebrity, Buccaneer...

It's been a long long time since hey-nonny-no lutists, courtly love simperers have had to be a thing.

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Sporelock wrote:
...I skimmed through as Bards aren't interesting to me. Even so, I would like to know what's going on with it in case one of my players wanted to be one in the future.

One of your players will play one, so best read up, OP. A Dancer Maestro Bard has a claim to be the best PC buffer in the game. That silly disco Halfling can use a bow or a sword and shield and... still waltz or bogle, and still cast, and still buff. Bards are no longer effete poets with feathers in hats*

*and when was that last a thing? the old Robin Hood movies?

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I can imagine many Barbarians going the Intimidation route, Raging Intimidation gives you three feats for the price of one and Intimidating Prowess is just a good idea. Planets do not need to align for a modestly well-built Barbarian to become lethal at Demoralise.

Tangentially, given that boosting Cha is sensible for many Barbarians now, and the free level boosts, I do epect to see a lot of Sorc MCs, people going for a Bloodrager/Dragon Disciple thing. Cool, but I digress.

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People keep saying chat sabotaged the alchemist but while it's certainly not an optimal building, pumping up what the game says is your primary stat and then investing in dex and con because you're gonna be in melee and don't want to die are not particularly unreasonable decisions either.

For me the idea that the the build is that easy to 'sabotage' in the first place, or that a player should ignore what the book says its primary stats are are both kind of indicative of design shortcomings to me.

That's the thing, I don't think chat sabotaged it. Now, they didn't play as nice as some - the Sailor background for Storm Druid fits very happily into such a build for example, and everyone had at least one thing that was unused or deliberately silly, the Chameleon bit for that Druid for example. So even though all three of the other PCs had fun or flavour parts, they were all mechanically quite good builds, they all worked. A goblin who thinks he's a shark... fine. Silly, but works quite well, a viable melee PC.

I'm in agreement with you essentially, Chat and Mark Seifter didn't sabotage him. I just don't know what the alchemist was for. He was... ok at fort saves?

But maybe that's ok too. PF1 Core had some trash like original Rogues and Monks, now they are both pretty good.

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Elfteiroh wrote:

TBH, even a fighter would have done badly with Cosmo's rolls. And most attacks by Jason one-shot (and would have one-shot most 1st lvl characters, no matter which ancestry/class/CON score) the target... Except Cosmo that got some normal attacks and survived them well.

The two storms did almost nothing. The sorcerer did some bleed for like... 2 rounds (for a whooping total of... 2dmg). Both Alchemist fires were crit fails, one nat 1, and one so low it would have maybe hit an Ooze... maybe... So yeah. I would not base my understanding of the balance of the game on that single showing.

What I would base my understanding on though was that this was a chaotic game, in the worse situation for "optimizing" characters and group synergy, and with possibly the worse rolls I've ever seen, and it seemed to still be very fun for the players and the viewers. And really that's what important IMHO.

Yes, the Sorcerer and Druid weren't badly built at all. The Sorc had good spell, background and skill choices, and Luis played him well. Could not roll dice worth a damn, but here we are.

Mutagen alchemist is awful though. I know the dice were bad, but it would have to be powergamed to be any use at all. Twitch had sympathy for most of the players, but not Cosmo. Dwarven Weapons feat? Unused, and wouldnt have been any good anyway. A familiar? Useless, maybe better had he been able to craft, but useless (and irritating).

The Barbarian was straight-up good, so some things have not changed from PF1, 1st level Barbarians do the business.

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I'll join the call for a Commander/Warlord but I'm not sure it needs a class, a general Archetype might do.

In PF1 I loved the Battle Herald, but they were a bit of a pain to get going, generally requiring Standard Bearer Cavalier. In PF2, I want my Bard to be able to do it, be the absolute master of buffs. Huge Cha, stand there shouting Inspire Courage and various Tactics. If the Commander is a class, that's ok, I'm quite happy to take the dedication, but it can be used with so many other classes it might have to be more open. A Barbarian/Warlord or Champion/Knight or Fighter/Commander - I don't have to expand on these concepts for us to see the value in such a character.

There is a bit of a concern with the proposed Cavalier archetype. If Good on a mount and Tactician are both Archetype paths (either general or MC) then replicating the PF1 Cavalier might be difficult. I'd prefer Good on a horse just to be a couple of feats, then it works for Paladins or even a Ranger shooting from horseback.

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Do you know what other Heritage is good? That Monkey Goblin.

In PF1 a Monkey Goblin Pirate rogue was a laugh and all, but not all that. In PF2 that pictured PC is very strong. Rogue is a good class, Sailor is a good Background and Monkey Goblin makes it all the sweeter. Grab Cat Fall as one of the Rogue's many Skill Feats and you are a v mobile and deadly striker pretty much out of the gate. Nice.

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I've just recieved my books (oh joy) and I'm sorry to hear this, OP. The Bard looks incredibly powerful. The only problem is too many options (one of those good problems). A Maestro need never cast a proper spell, so many Focus spells and cantrips! Definitely my first character.

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We're veering off-topic, and Mage Armour was always a bit rubbish, just something to spend a 1st level slot on. The price was very nice for the duration. A proper defensive spell is Mirror Image. Is that any good in this edition? In 1e it was the best defence for the investment, and it wasn't close.

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Do need to know this as when my books arrive the first character I'll make will be a Bard, and this the only ranged attack Occult cantrip.

Can we throw knives? Acid flasks,alchemist fire? Put it this way, I want to hit someome with a handful of caltrops for the Telekenetic Projectile damage, then the caltrops fall and makes that enemy's space difficult terrain. Is this ok? A bit good for a cantrip, but ok?

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Always down with weird bits of lore like this. Want to read it. I have to applaud any book which discusses the Prophet of Kalistrade.

That prestige class is bonkers. The character has to be rich, but explicitly not enjoy the wealth, unless looking at big numbers is your jam. In return they get... the worst PrC in the game, a semi-sorcerer an Adept would look down on. I can't think of a way to make one mechanically playable. Roleplay-playable is easy, we don't have to look far to see examples of blinding monetary greed.

Edit: One of the authors, Mr. Hillman, is very aware of this:

Mona supports the attempt.

Ha ha. Good luck with that, the class is hopeless. :)

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Oh boy, it's really good. Cannot wait.

The Befriend a Local activity rule is a great idea and should be used in the wider game. It lets a PC interact with an NPC using mutual skills, rather than just Diplomacy. Thus a low-cha Wizard doesn't need to use Diplomacy to make friends at the university, he can use his Arcane skill, to talk to other nerds, that is their interest. Similarly, a gruff Ranger can go into the woods with a local guide, they can hug trees or whatever these types like to do and become friends based on the PC's Survival check. An excellent rule.

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It seems a pity that two of the most obvious, least immediately interesting backgrounds are so mechanically good. Entertainer is not a particularly imaginative background for a Bard to take, but Fascinating Performance as a free feat is hard to ignore. It's so good. Similarly with Warrior. For an intimidation Barbarian (going on the route to get Scare to Death) that Intimidating Glare feat is gold, but a Warrior Barbarian isn't so inspiring.

On the other hand, both of those backgrounds are so broad that a decent back story can be made. Entertainer is anything from a jester to a playwright to a rapper. Warrior can be a guard or a gladiator or that village boy who must venture out for a trophy to become a man.

Edit- just seen the Age of Ashes players guide (gasp!) and for that barbarian, Dragon Scholar is just as good and much groovier. Get that. Dragons!

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Rycke wrote:
The Glass Cannon Podcast will be running Emerald Spire converted to 2e starting in Q4 of this year.

They have already started with an old PFS scenario, converted to 2e by Mr. Mona.

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RicoTheBold wrote:
Personally, I'd find it nearly impossible to resist the Giant instinct, but I'm starting to talk myself into a frog or deer barbarian as a fun alternative.
** spoiler omitted **

With this and MC Sorcerer, can you make a passable Dragon Disciple, Draconic Bloodrager?

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Xenocrat wrote:
Wait, what's an enigma muse? New muse or a rename of a playtest muse?

I guess it is the Lore muse renamed.

Very odd feat though, especially as Enigma/Lore Bards will rinse most knowledge checks anyway. The wording doesn't help, does the GM just show the player the stat block, there, knock yourself out?

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zimmerwald1915 wrote:
Kroft doesn't seem given to that kind of wileyness. Nor does she have many cards to play.
She does, presumably, have a party of quite high level adventurers as allies. That is a pretty impressive hand :-)

Not only does Kroft have a party of 17th level adenturers as allies, she does have cards to play, with them, at least. In CotCT, those PCs end up with their own Deck of Many Things!

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Excellent. I have bought the sheet pack (I especially like the custom sheets, my Bard will care more about space for Cantrips than weapon types for example) but I'll only make a mess. They will be saved for my best handwriting. Useful online too.

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How do NPCs work? Given that we no longer have Commoner, Aristocrat, Expert etc. what does an ordinary human person look like in the Bestiary? And how do we make her an expert (a sailor for instance)? Just give her Sailing Lore and Acrobatic proficiency? How are HP and other normally level-dependent attributes calculated?

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I'm in the UK (so direct from Paizo is not ideal unfortunately) and I don't like Amazon so I shopped around and got a good deal, don't know if I can say where.

And even though I have to play online, I was so excited I bought a bunch of dice too

The books are under publisher’s embargo until 1 August, so nobody should be getting them in your hands before that date (shipping time variability allows some leeway, and Paizo’s own shipping practice is why some of us have them already). Basically, if someone other than Paizo got the books to you this early, they’ve broken a rule, and Paizo will be obligated to discuss the matter with the distributor and the store.

It’s now between you, your conscience, and Paizo about whether you should reveal your source.

Whoa there. I have bought them, not recieved them yet, nor do I expect them. The shop is totally legit. Bought and paid and now I can't wait for the postman come August. My dice might come quicker though, something to play with.

My coyness about the store is that Paizo shipping is v expensive outside the US and I'm not sure about advertising other resellers.

Anyway, roll on August, can't wait. I'll have rolled up 2e's baddest Bard within hours of feverish reading, 640 pages or not

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Arachnofiend wrote:
IIRC the base assumption for a scoundrel rogue is a feint build, so 16 dex / 16 cha is probably what you want for them. More important for getting a +2 cha may be the potential to build an Arcane Trickster off of the Scoundrel Rogue chassis using a Sorcerer multiclass or being an ancestry with racial spells.

Arcane Trickster has so many possible builds now, expect to see loads of them. Your suggestion is very good, that chassis is also ideal for multiclass Bard.

In other news I have finally bought my books! Hooray!

I'm in the UK (so direct from Paizo is not ideal unfortunately) and I don't like Amazon so I shopped around and got a good deal, don't know if I can say where.

And even though I have to play online, I was so excited I bought a bunch of dice too

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Pumpkinhead, Grognard, you are right we shouldn't derail the thread.


Fumarole wrote:
Justin Franklin wrote:
There definitely was a fundamental shift from 2 to 3e. (although you can see some of the trends start to really show up in the Player's Options books). AC scaling indefinitely instead of capping at -10, Attack bonus vs THAC0, Skills that advance (NWP were weird for advancement), unlimited Ability score increase, Magic Item creation assumed in the rules, etc. It was definitely a fundamental shift.
Don't forget that prior to 3rd edition not all races and classes were compatible. Dwarves couldn't be wizards. Also, for demihumans, there were level caps depending on the class you chose. This chart here shows it in detail.

That chart is bizarre. Very happy to discuss it in a different thread. Only Humans and Drow are any good? Mountain Dwarfs have a Fighter limit?

I'm glad in PF2 that our boy Kaliban can become a Fighter 20 and he'll probably be casting 8th level Arcane spells. It does say something about the superhero power levels, Kaliban would astonish Gygax and Arneson but I like the ultra high-fantasy gonzo direction Pathfinder has become.

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Nobody in their right mind doesn't love the concept of Swashbuckler, but I can't justify it as a class in PF2. As an Archetype (get good with rapiers, have a focus pool for Panache substitute), my goodness, yes please. There is too much crossover.

Fighter: We'll already get the Aldori Swordsman, and it's a fighter with a sword, no problems, more specialisation would be better.

Rogue: Again, we have a person who is handy at fencing. Merisiel herself is fond of a rapier, it's a thing.

Champion: A CG Liberator of Cayden Cailean wants a tankard in one hand and an epee in the other. This absolutely calls for a Swashbuckler archetype.

Alchemist: I'd like the Investigator to come back, but one can pull of a Sherlock Holmes type with this.

Bard: A flashing blade with quick wit and an eye for the ladies is a known trope with good reason, needs the archetype.

I could go on, but it's clear that many classes want to be able to swashbuckle, so many classes should be allowed to, thus make it an early-entry (and very good, please Paizo) Archetype. My one concern is combining it with other Archetypes, Pirate being an obvious example. How do you combine the two? A Fighter or Rogue with both the Swashbuckler and Pirate Archetypes makes a lot of thematic sense, but wouldn't have much of the build together until teenage levels. This is fine for a powerful enemy like a level 14 Pirate Queen, but tricky as a level 1 PC in a PF2 version of Skulls and Shackles. Minor problems though.

As for the others, I'm in broad agreement:

Witch: Hexes as focus spells/cantrips. Prepared Occult, with other spells from patron lists.

Oracle: Everyone loves them, the Curse/Revelation this was great, Divine Sorcer just doesn't cut it for me.

Kineticist: Can probably be done with Cantrip/Focus spells and Con stat in exchange for armour and weapon Expert/Master improvements.

Mesmerist: Superb and creepy class, can almost certainly be done as a level 1 Bard Archetype though.

Antipaladin/Tyrant: Not my cup of tea, but the rules are aready here for these baddies. The only discussion is the name of the NE version. MFer?

Shifter: Conceptually neccessary, but i wonder if it can be done with an Archetype? There are solid reasons why a Monk or Ranger or Fighter would want to be one. Barbarian can already do it a bit. Even Rogues should - a sneaky rogue who can turn into a bird or a cat is a solid PC.

Battle Herald/Tactitian: I know one was a PrC and 4e did a Marshall and the other was a Cavalier Archetype, but this please. We can probably do something with Bard/Champion multiclass, but It'd be nice to have a tough non-caster who hands out bonuses and coordinates the battlefield. I'd like to see clever generals with high Int or Cha who make those stats work. Bear in mind that in PF2 a PC gets a boost to four stats every few levels, by the end of a career it will be commonplace to have Int 18 Fighters and Wis 18 Rangers. May as well use it.

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Brutish Shove looks very nice, especially with a Rogue in the party. Bop the enemy and it's a sitting duck for a Sneak Attack, every round (there won't be many rounds).

The power trajectory in PF2 looks steeper than PF1. At level 3, Kaliban has +7 Will (a good number in this edition), 44 HP and is ok at spells already. Compare that competence to a level 1 character.

Leaked photos of the multiclass pages of the new rulebook show Kaliban's pic on the Wizard multiclass page. And here he is, casting Shield before whaling on someone with his big hammer. He's named, he's built well and he looks cool. Good chap. I welcome our new iconic Kaliban!

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I haven't seen a more boring and tangential discussion about a minor aspect of our game since the endless dross posted by fascists arguing for Paladins to be heartless cops.

Check this out:

I care a lot about our game and while I'm no cheerleader, I have been telling my friends and colleages on the down low that we play a good game. We play a game that is liberating for the mind. We play a game that brings friendship and imagination and a happy, inclusive environment.

I'd like to point newbies to this blog, but alas no. We can't get hype and spreading the word, we get folk who get upset about the definition of a 'week' in game time.

And they call us nerds.

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Seisho wrote:

Arcane Archer is a cool concept that usualla fell flat in PF1, but with the new attack scaling and archetypes they would be easy to implement

Dedication would grant bow prophiciency
Further feats would grant:
Imbue Arrow: (using bow reach for spells)
Enhance Arrows/bow: uses focus to imbue the bow/arrow with different enchantments
Improved bow prophiciency
Seeker Arrow and Phase Arrow as Focus abilities

the point about a 'prestige' class is that in PF1 one must be of a certain level, and in PF2, while that level limit may not be required, hoops must still be jumped through.

Thus in this case, your build for the class looks good, though I disagree with you about the Dedication feat and entry. The requirements to take the 'prestige archetype Arcane Archer' or whatever it will be called are more likely to be Trained in a bow (or crossbow) and Trained in a magic tradition, (even if just at cantrip level). It makes sense on a narrative level - if you want to be an Arcane Archer, you must already know how to cast a spell and draw a bow, but also it creates that level gate, for most people being able to do both ok will be about 6th level anyway.

There might be some early entries in the instance of Arcane Archer - Bards, Elves, Clerics of Erastil -but they are thematic anyway insofar as Pf1 is concerned. Similarly something like Mystic Theurge can be level gated simply by requiring Trained in two different traditions, Arcane and Divine the most obvious.

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James Jacobs wrote:

Further info:

Alaznist worked with various demon lords but didn't really worship them; she saw them as equals.
Belimarius wasn't religious, really, although she was certainly jealous of the gods' power.
Karzoug wasn't particularly religious, but often found himself allying with various churches as it met his needs.
Sorshen has something of an alliance of mutual respect with Nocticula, moreso now that they've both moved on from evil, but before didn't really have much time or interest in matters of faith.
Zutha didn't worship anyone.

Alderpash used to worship Baphomet. He doesn't any more. Gone off him recently (and not much there to worship). May even have converted to Iomedae if it gets him out.

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I never knew Blessed Tattoo was from Mwangi Orcs, I only ever knew Sacred Tattoo as the excellent alternative racial trait for Half-Orcs to replace the suicidal Orc Ferocity. Huh. Cool.

This whole blog is cool, Love the jungle stuff and my first PF2 character will be a Mwangi Elf. They look great.

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Name: Bokassa
ABC: Mwangi Elf/Gladiator/Bard with Magic Warrior Archetype
Weapon of Choice: Being a Magic Warrior, how you like that?
Catchphrase: Something dumb like "Yay, woo, light 'em up"

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Captain Morgan wrote:
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But it does bring up some questions about magic items that I hope the rulebook covers, like the blindfold for example, does it trigger the moment someone sees you regardless of anything else? Only in encounter mode?

Seems pretty clear to me it triggers outside of encounter mode, too.

I can see an 'auto trigger on sight' causing tons of problems, both in that every town and shop you go into normal people are terrified of you all the time

Yes, that would be a thing, but for many characters that would be a feature, not a bug. And you can always take it off when you go into town.

It is indeed a feature. Here is a fun thing to do.

1. Be a Bard, borrow your Barbarian friend's Dread Blindfold.

2. Be Legendary in Performance, have Fascinating Performance and Legendary Performer. You are headlining Woodstock at this point, everyone loves you.

3. At the climax to one of your hit records you put on the Dread Blindfold

4. ???

5. Profit

(Maybe not profit, it's possible someone might get hurt)

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Pandora's wrote:

I think there actually is a problem if all skill feats scaled with proficiency. Since you can only advance a small handful of skills past trained, you'd feel like you were missing out on most of the effects of your feats if you if you didn't put all your skill feats into skills you advanced. If I get 5 effects from an Acrobatics skill feat because I'm legendary but only one effect from a Diplomacy skill feat, I'm less likely to consider the Diplomacy feat than I would without everything scaling.

There's also the problem that when a feat scales, it has to be split across the proficiency tiers. A feat that might have given benefit X that was reasonable as a Master-level feat may now have that effect as the Legendary effect because it was the best effect the designers came up with. You lose some design agility when there are several tiers that must be filled.

I fully support feats scaling when it feels like a natural progression and the end result is not so powerful that it pushes you to only invest in feats for skills you're advancing. I think Cat Fall does this well. I could see having a character with Legendary Acrobatics and not taking Cat Fall.

On the other hand, I do like how merely investing sufficiently in a skill can create superhuman effects. A Bard with Legendary Perofrmance and all the feats, like Fascinating Performance becomes world famous (if he wants) and can fill stadiums with fans both rapt and malleable. It's extrememly powerful, but only as gonzo as something like Scare to Death, with similar Intimidation investment (Combining the two however...)

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I like that because getting training in a skill that your class didn't normally get was my preferred use of traits

I was not a big fan of everyone picking "Reactionary" for the mechanical bonus despite it not fitting their character. Or even more bizarre stuff like "Wayang Spellhunter" or whatever it was called

Yes, that was awful, Reactionary, where every member of the party were bullied as a child. How did so many timid people all become adventurers? Entire parties of Scoobys and Shaggys, no Freds or Daphnes.

At least Reactionary can be roleplayed (poorly). There's that awesome one which boosts caster level but you have to have been raised in the woods by a weird monster or something.

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ChibiNyan wrote:
Campaign traits were explicitly better than regular trait. Am expecting campaign backgrounds to also be more attractive.
One thing seems likely- the lore granted by a campaign background is almost certain to be relevant to the campaign, unlike things like "alcohol lore" or "gladitorial lore" or "laborer lore".

Gladiatorial Lore is a funny one. Look at the crunch for the Gladiator Background:

"Choose two ability boosts. One must be to Strength or Charisma, and one is a free ability boost.

You gain the Fascinating Performance skill feat, and you’re trained in the Gladiatorial Lore skill."

+Cha and Facinating Performance. Perfect. Expect a lot of Bards to have come straight out of the fighting pits and know about weird weapons (which they can't use) and lions and tigers (which they can't fight).

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I didn't play the playtest so please bear with me.

What has happened with NPC classes, Commoner, Expert etc.? Are they gone? I can imagine they might be for simplicity and as things in the new bestiary are simplified it's esy to make a low-level Human 'monster' without many features.

On the other hand, it seems that Backgrounds shoud still work with NPCs. Blacksmith background for example, or Sailor. They don't need lots of fighting ability to be Trained in Crafting or have Sailing Lore as a feat. Even giving a cantrip is a simple addition, it'll do for an Adept.

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The character illustrations:

1. Liberator of Calistria. He's going to whip Asmodeans pink, and loving it.

2. Sorcerer. She looks fly, as sorcerers should and she's in the middle of casting Mirror Image.

3. Monk. She's a badass monk. "So, it comes to this. A pity. Prepare yourself."

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Red Mantis Assasins are awesome, I loved slaying the tricky blighters in Crimson Throne. So many cool things like the nasty swords and the scorpion summoning. I do wonder how they become a 2e archetype? it's great that any class can potentially become one, but their special rules are very niche. For instance, I loved their narrow but interesting spell list (losing these is one of few downsides to 2e).

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Hooray. i have wanted to play a Mwangi Elf for years (specifically a Magaambyan wiz sort of person, and this looks like it'll be ideal.

Any chance of an appropriate background, Eleanor? I'm looking forward to your adventure.

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Deadmanwalking wrote:
masda_gib wrote:

I would allow many activities assuming they fit with the deity and are not used to cheese some benefit out of it. As a rule of thumb: the activity should bring yourself or the party much mechanical benefit.

So a cleric of Sarenrae treating the wounds of some NPCs? That can be refocusing. The same cleric treating the wounds of the party's fighter after battle? Nope, that's you doing maintenance to go back to killing things.

I disagree with this. This is a purely metagame consideration and deeply damaging to verisimilitude. I also don't think that Clerics mundanely treating people allowing them to regain Focus (basically the only time this would come up) is very mechanically relevant. The difference between a 10 minute break and a 20 minute break is just very rarely gonna matter.

So it's not even a particularly compelling metagame reason, IMO.

This reminds me of the Deific Obediences in PF1, especially the good deities. Some requires one just to be nice (Erastil or Sarenrae for example), some had bits to do with the portfolio (Shelyn wants a peice of art or poetry, Kurgess like to see you hit the gym), but some were trivially easy. Desna's is wander around for a bit. Cayden's is have a beer and sing a song. Iomedae's is literally just pray with your sword, which you would be doing anyway, Paladins love doing that sort of stuff.

If this is the standard to regain focus, it's not difficult.

Evil gods on the other hand have much tougher rules (except Rovagug which is funny).

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Paladins in the playtest were one of the areas I was most critical in, and I'm reasonably sure it never got fixed to my satisfaction. The focus on bodyguard duty and heavy armor came out of the blue for me. In PF1 Paladins were a terrifying weapon of the forces of good, forged to cut a swathe through the darkness.

None of my paladins got heavy armor, unless it was mithral. They always led the charge. If they could fight on their own, they would because it shifted more risk of harm to themselves. If they failed to end the threat on time, they would lay on hands to save people.

All of my paladins knew that taking a passive, reactive stance against evil was shortsighted.

So when Paladins lost Smite and gained Babysitter, I was sad. However, the Champion class is fine for lots of other concepts, so I plan to look into ways to home brew a fix for my games. I'm thinking a level 1 archetype that trades out retributive strike for Smite Evil would be a good start. Making sure they're viable in other armors will help too.

Yes, this. My PF1 Paladin is exactly this. Medium armour for speed. No shield, don't need it. Two-handing a longsword (for Iomedae). Fist into battle, he defended the party by discouraging others from the front line - in a party of four with him, the others would typically be a Wiz, a Rogue and a Divine of sorts, why should they risk their necks or have redundancy in more than one frontliner? PF2 appears to need more than one melee fighter in a party to make the Champion worthwhile.

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Glad to see coverage of Rahadoum.

It's an interesting country that might become more powerful in this edition. The Godless Healing feat is mentioned, but the Medicine skill is vastly boosted and there are plenty of folk who can heal adequately without a deity, bards and Alchemists and even some Sorcerers (Which has implications for Razmir but I digress). Rahadoum can now get away with not having Clerics, at least for crunch. Spiritual values in a world with proven gods is another question.

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Doktor Weasel wrote:
tqomins wrote:

So here are the archetypes we know so far:

1) Absalom: Pathfinder Agent
2) Broken Lands: Aldori Duelist
3) Eye of Dread: Lastwall Sentry
4) Golden Road: Living Monolith
4) High Seas
6) Impossible Lands: Student of Perfection
7) Mwangi Expanse
8) Old Cheliax: Hellknight Armiger
9) Saga Lands
10) Shining Kingdoms

And next week we find out if my guess that we'll get Red Mantis for the High Seas was right or not!

Red Mantis is a good guess. So far these have been all factional archetypes that have previously been prestige classes (well, mostly. Lastwall Sentry wasn't one). So Red Mantis makes more sense than a generic pirate.

The only one I can think of for the Mwangi Expance would be the Magaambyan arcanist. But it could very well be a new archetype that was never a prestige class.

Red Mantis Assassin has always been popular, so good call, though it is uite hard to do as an archetype with the niche spells and specialist summoning. I suppose they can add some invisibility spells and dual-weilding and call it good.

Mwangi Expanse is definitely Magaambyan Arcanist. None of the archetypes known so far are specifically for casters, this one is (and how!). Not too hard to implement either, and I'd imagine Wizards, Sorcerers and Druids can all get something out of it.

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Arachnofiend wrote:

I agree, this is a major positive change for the system. Best part is that it's a baseline action rather than something you (or worse, the Expert themself) have to feat into.

I kinda wonder if we could broaden it even further; if the Bard wants to put on a play in a Hamlet-esque scenario, then he should be able to give the Barbarian quick instruction on how to perform her role the way he wants even though she lacks any previous acting experience. This would open up a ton of non-combat solutions to problems that simply were not feasible in PF1 because it was unrealistic to expect everyone to be trained in the same skills (and was a bad idea anyways in most scenarios).

I am now planing a play within a play, thanks for the idea.

It's a lovely idea, and now rules-compatible.

The bard puts on a play, the Rogue and Sorcerer take the lead roles, the Barbarian does a bit of stunt work and clowning, the Wizard does stage management and special effects. All of it can be role played, yet not too much hand-waving, die rolls are still in effect.

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