Meet the Iconics: Zadim

Thursday, July 24, 2014

Today we introduce the next of the new iconic characters from the Advanced Class Guide: Zadim the slayer. Zadim will also be a playable character in the Pathfinder Adventure Card Game: Wrath of the Righteous set due for release in February 2015.


Illustration by Wayne Reynolds

Open hostilities between the kingdoms of Taldor and Qadira ceased more than 200 years ago, but subtle squabbles and sub-rosa schemes continue to the present. Often these intrigues take the form of economic influence or political stratagems, but occasionally, when the stakes are high enough, they extend to outright atrocities. Triggering these strikes (or answering them in kind) without sparking an open war requires an agent with particular expertise. An agent like Zadim.

Zadim, the so-called "Shadow of Sarenrae," travels the lands of the Inner Sea as an associate of Sarenrae's church, providing deadly solutions to problems the religion cannot resolve through diplomacy and forgiveness. The world of Golarion teems with misguided folk who can be turned from darkness, but it also contains multitudes who are beyond redemption, who revel in evil, wickedness, and selfishness. Zadim is one answer to their depravities, and his response comes with an unmistakable air of finality. Zadim was born into Qadira's influential Cult of the Dawnflower, a militant sect devoted to rooting out evil and spreading Sarenrae's light throughout foreign lands cloaked in the darkness of ignorance. His early studies at the great temple in Katheer distinguished Zadim as a dedicated servant of the cult. True, Zadim lacked the divine connection to the goddess that granted many of his fellow cultists command over fabulous magic powers, but his acumen in other affairs soon gained the attention of the cult's inner circle. Zadim excelled in battle training, easily besting his young peers in combat. He also proved himself an expert in observation and understanding, often taking advantage of personality quirks and tells among his fellows that they weren't even aware they had. The cult's leaders knew exactly what they had in Zadim—a weapon to strike killing blows against their enemies.

Zadim's masters began tempering their stories of Sarenrae's mercy and redemption with encouragement to bring justice to the irredeemable. They revealed the scope of their designs not just on familiar foes like the creaking "empire" of Taldor to the north, but also on places like Osirion, Katapesh, and Absalom. Zadim was trained to stand in the shadowy vanguard of their efforts throughout the Inner Sea region, clearing away enemies with blade and garrote long before the more visible elements of the Dawnflower Cult made their presence known.

As the depth of the cult's plan became clear to him, Zadim began to realize that his masters were just as interested in spreading the political influence of Qadira—and its distant puppetmasters in the Padishah Empire of Kelesh far to the east—as they were in spreading the doctrine of the Everlight, but the revelation came too late to inspire a change in Zadim's direction. He had trained for years to become a killer, and kill he must, in the name of Qadira, Kelesh, or the cult. Sarenrae had blessed him with unique talents, and he intended to put them to use in the field.

Zadim's first assignment outside Qadira was meant to be easy, a clear-cut case of a true villain deserving of the cult's final justice. The noble Sir Gordreth Chrysolian—Gordreth the Butcher—had been an administrator in the Taldan caravan city of Yanmass when he publicly executed twenty clerics of Sarenrae about 30 years ago, during a particularly vicious Taldan pogrom against the Cult of the Dawnflower. Shortly thereafter, the Butcher vanished, escaping divine retribution for his unholy crimes. Recently, though, agents of the cult spotted the aging aristocrat in Yanmass, and Zadim was dispatched to put him to the blade.

Upon arriving at the caravan city, Zadim learned from his informants that the Butcher had sought asylum at the manor house of a respected paladin of Abadar named Jevantus, who had gained widespread acclaim in the city after using his god-given abilities to cure hundreds of children infected with the deadly dvezda plague. Further investigation revealed that the paladin Jevantus and Gordreth the Butcher were one and the same man. The decades in hiding must have taught the vile Taldan noble something of chivalry and honor, for Abadar himself blessed the one-time villain with miraculous powers of healing.

A chance encounter with a fellow servant of Sarenrae, an earnest young cleric named Kyra, triggered a crisis of faith in Zadim, and the killer revealed his role in the plot to the young woman. Kyra, who subscribed to a far less militant doctrine than that preached by the Dawnflower Cult, rejected Zadim's bloody tactics, reminding him that Sarenrae herself valued goodness, redemption, and healing over murderous tactics, no matter the quarry. If Gordreth the Butcher had truly been redeemed, killing him for past deeds meant directly violating the most holy values of Sarenrae, erasing the man's redemption in an act of bloody murder.

Such an affront, she assured, would be enough for Sarenrae to withdraw her favor from a dedicated follower, stripping away the divine bond so important to the servant's faith and work. But Zadim was not a cleric, and had no spells to lose. His duty was not just to Sarenrae, but to his masters in the Cult of the Dawnflower, and to Qadira, and to the Padishah Empire of Kelesh. If they decreed that Gordreth the Butcher must die, who was Zadim to deny their wisdom? He assured Kyra that he would not strike against the paladin, but to himself he resolved that he could not make the decision of whether his target would live or die until he could look him in the eye and judge the quality of his character for himself.

That evening, Zadim crept into the private gardens of Jevantus, kukris in hand, his pounding heart nearly giving him away with its thundering. At the center of the garden he discovered the old paladin praying to Abadar before a beautiful fountain. Statues of children rescued from the ravages of disease peered over the paladin's shoulder as Zadim stepped silently toward his prey. As he approached, the paladin turned toward Zadim, a strange expression of calm and acceptance marked upon his visage. It was as if he had expected such a visitor for many years, and knew that final judgment had finally arrived.

As he looked into the eyes of his quarry at last, fists clenched around the hilts of his hungry blades, Zadim made his choice.

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Biztak wrote:
Tels wrote:
If he were still bound by the other two masters he had, he wouldn't have gone off and become and adventurer. I suspect the Paladin is still alive.
unless his adventures are missions from the cult like for example killing an old man in a distant land

maybe an old man who claims he is a living god?

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Voltron64 wrote:
Lo and behold, the Cult of the Dawnflower's instrument of their own destruction.

More like the instrument of Qadira's destruction... the Cult of the Dawnflower has backfired against them before. It likely will do so again.

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Yeah... dude became a paladin AFTER the atrocity with the slain Sarenites.

Which is why it's a tough decision. Further complicated by the fact that he's a paladin of a Lawful Neutral deity... does that play into the situation at all?

Ha.

Great story, Erik!

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Blackvial wrote:
Biztak wrote:
Tels wrote:
If he were still bound by the other two masters he had, he wouldn't have gone off and become and adventurer. I suspect the Paladin is still alive.
unless his adventures are missions from the cult like for example killing an old man in a distant land
maybe an old man who claims he is a living god?

AFAIK, the Quadirans and the Dawnflower Cult have no beef with the nation of Razmir.

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What about the third option: the paladin asked Zadim to kill him. He was ready, and it was time for him to face judgement, both for his crimes and his acts of healing, and only the gods could make a final determination. Would his attempts to atone and redeem himself be enough to cool Sarenrae's righteous anger? Perhaps giving himself over to an agent of Hers was but the final step in his atonement process.

Though I suppose such an idea really is both the third and fourth options. The paladin asks for a merciful death, and then Zadim either does or does not deliver one.

Great story, Erik.


LazarX wrote:
Blackvial wrote:
Biztak wrote:
Tels wrote:
If he were still bound by the other two masters he had, he wouldn't have gone off and become and adventurer. I suspect the Paladin is still alive.
unless his adventures are missions from the cult like for example killing an old man in a distant land
maybe an old man who claims he is a living god?
AFAIK, the Quadirans and the Dawnflower Cult have no beef with the nation of Razmir.

Razmir's goal is to spread his false religion/protection racket everywhere


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By the very fact he became a Paladin is kind of proof that he did in fact atone. He wouldn't have been able to be a Paladin if he hadn't atoned for murdering the clerics after all.

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Sammy T wrote:
Assassin with a heart of gold steel.

♩♬ ♪ Booooorn with a hearrrrrrrt... OF STEEEEEEL! ♩♪♬


Wait, is Gordeth Darth Vader? The whole 'murdering religious followers and becoming an evil rule then turning back to the light before dieing' aspect seems pretty spot on :P

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Nothing is true. Everything is permitted (except gunslingers).


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Liz Courts wrote:
Sammy T wrote:
Assassin with a heart of gold steel.
♩♬ ♪ Booooorn with a hearrrrrrrt... OF STEEEEEEL! ♩♪♬

you are awesome

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Blackvial wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Blackvial wrote:
Biztak wrote:
Tels wrote:
If he were still bound by the other two masters he had, he wouldn't have gone off and become and adventurer. I suspect the Paladin is still alive.
unless his adventures are missions from the cult like for example killing an old man in a distant land
maybe an old man who claims he is a living god?
AFAIK, the Quadirans and the Dawnflower Cult have no beef with the nation of Razmir.
Razmir's goal is to spread his false religion/protection racket everywhere

But the nation has made no overt moves unlike Taldor. There's no list of Razmiran atrocities for the Dawnflowers to avenge. And all of the clerics of every god are spreading their religion everywhere. A lot of the "real" ones are a lot less appetizing than Razmir for Quadira. Nor is it an established real world "fact" that Razmir is a fake.

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The fact that Razmiran is an evil nation is pretty much all the reason the Church of Sarenrae would take offense and have a beef with it.

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James Jacobs wrote:
The fact that Razmiran is an evil nation is pretty much all the reason the Church of Sarenrae would take offense and have a beef with it.

But as we've seen, Zadim's masters in the Dawnflower Cult seem to be operating as much as or more from a political agenda than a religious one.


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LazarX wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
The fact that Razmiran is an evil nation is pretty much all the reason the Church of Sarenrae would take offense and have a beef with it.
But as we've seen, Zadim's masters in the Dawnflower Cult seem to be operating as much as or more from a political agenda than a religious one.

You dare question the Great James Jacobs!?

Maybe Razmir's cult has been stepping on the wrong toes in Qadira, so the Dawnflower cult decided to cut the "snakes" head off as it where

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zergtitan wrote:
Yes, but is the Paladin dead? you know this will come up in Q&A sessions forever!

It states very clearly that the guy was old when Zadim found him. The paladin could well be dead regardless of which course of action Zadim chose.


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Alright, this is my new favorite iconic. Wonderful, rich backstory. Thank you Erik!

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LazarX wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
The fact that Razmiran is an evil nation is pretty much all the reason the Church of Sarenrae would take offense and have a beef with it.
But as we've seen, Zadim's masters in the Dawnflower Cult seem to be operating as much as or more from a political agenda than a religious one.

Correct. Which complicates matters, and is the type of flavor element that opens up all sorts of possible avenues of storyline. Interesting, yeah? ;-)

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I love this character.

And he totally let the Paladin live, because that was the right thing to do, and I like my protagonists to be moral people. Not necessarily Good aligned, but moral.

And guys, Erik officially answered the alignment question. He's Neutral, we can stop arguing.


I'd like to go on record as disliking open ended things like this in an iconic's backstory if an incident is going to be mentioned at all. In something that supposed to reveal the nature and past of the character, and for some of the iconics these writeups might be the only canonical info we ever have of them, it makes little sense to purposely leave out what may be the most important aspect of it. It's not clever. It's irritating.

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James Jacobs wrote:
LazarX wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
The fact that Razmiran is an evil nation is pretty much all the reason the Church of Sarenrae would take offense and have a beef with it.
But as we've seen, Zadim's masters in the Dawnflower Cult seem to be operating as much as or more from a political agenda than a religious one.
Correct. Which complicates matters, and is the type of flavor element that opens up all sorts of possible avenues of storyline. Interesting, yeah? ;-)

Absolutely, and I think you'd enjoy "Passing through Gethsemene."

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Deadmanwalking wrote:

I love this character.

And he totally let the Paladin live, because that was the right thing to do, and I like my protagonists to be moral people. Not necessarily Good aligned, but moral.

And guys, Erik officially answered the alignment question. He's Neutral, we can stop arguing.

Which means that either choice would have been valid, so let the festivities continue! Either choice he made, he still could have been moral. Loyalty to one's nation, to one's group, is a pretty powerful force. Remember that to the Dawnflowers, it's the "mainline" cult of Sarenrae that are the heretics. And they'll point out that there are deeds that even Sarenrae does not forgive.

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Drock11 wrote:
I'd like to go on record as disliking open ended things like this in an iconic's backstory if an incident is going to be mentioned at all. In something that supposed to reveal the nature and past of the character, and for some of the iconics these writeups might be the only canonical info we ever have of them, it makes little sense to purposely leave out what may be the most important aspect of it. It's not clever. It's irritating.

Well, sorry you're irritated, but I did it for a very specific purpose.

Aside from standing in for your PCs in art, the iconic characters' main purpose is to be used as pregenerated characters. Given that this guy is all about killing, and given that he is neutral, I wanted to leave it up to the _player_ to determine what happened to the paladin.

Perhaps the player would like their neutral slayer to be a bit more on the evil side, focusing on the killing and political intrigue, no matter the costs. Perhaps the player would prefer to take a more nuanced approach, wherein Zadim tempers his slaying with mercy.

By leaving the end open-ended, the player can run their character any way they like.

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Oh, and it's highly, highly unlikely that this will be the only time you get canonical info on the iconics. I'm sure they'll appear again and again in various places.


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Dude's not going to give up a PP for anyone. It's murder hobo time!

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LazarX wrote:
Which means that either choice would have been valid, so let the festivities continue!

I was referring specifically to the arguing about what Alignment he is. I'm cool with the argument about whether he killed the guy. :)

LazarX wrote:
Either choice he made, he still could have been moral. Loyalty to one's nation, to one's group, is a pretty powerful force.

I dunno, that seems more like ethics than morals, following the societally approved path rather than what you believe is right in your heart.

LazarX wrote:
Remember that to the Dawnflowers, it's the "mainline" cult of Sarenrae that are the heretics. And they'll point out that there are deeds that even Sarenrae does not forgive.

Yeah...but Paladins haven't committed them. Kinda definitionally (since they must have been redeemable to be a Paladin). I'm not saying the Cult wouldn't feel this way...but they're pretty clearly objectively wrong.

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Deadmanwalking wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Which means that either choice would have been valid, so let the festivities continue!

I was referring specifically to the arguing about what Alignment he is. I'm cool with the argument about whether he killed the guy. :)

LazarX wrote:
Either choice he made, he still could have been moral. Loyalty to one's nation, to one's group, is a pretty powerful force.

I dunno, that seems more like ethics than morals, following the societally approved path rather than what you believe is right in your heart.

LazarX wrote:
Remember that to the Dawnflowers, it's the "mainline" cult of Sarenrae that are the heretics. And they'll point out that there are deeds that even Sarenrae does not forgive.
Yeah...but Paladins haven't committed them. Kinda definitionally (since they must have been redeemable to be a Paladin). I'm not saying the Cult wouldn't feel this way...but they're pretty clearly objectively wrong.

Remember NPC's don't have the rulebook knowledge we have. And articles of faith will trump "facts" almost any day. And why would you assume that Zadim would not have felt "right in his heart" about EITHER choice. His encounter with Kyra caused a crisis of faith, but that could be just as easily a crisis that made him resolved that he was right in his original choice. Not all crisies of faith resolve the way that one would think. And remember Sarenrae is still granting spells to the clerics of the Dawnflower cult, which would be seen as implicit approval of their actions, whether it is or not. The gods don't speak with words, but with signs.

And I reiterate, this so resonates with "Passing Through Gethsemene".


Pharasma, Lady of Graves wrote:
Alignment is irrelevant, all come before me in the end!

Pharasma will be my Slayer's deity. I was relieved that the iconic hadn't also chosen her. (Then again, maybe he'll switch.)

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LazarX wrote:
Remember NPC's don't have the rulebook knowledge we have. And articles of faith will trump "facts" almost any day.

I also like protagonists who can think for themselves...so this doesn't change my opinion on which answer I prefer to believe. Nor why. I prefer to believe Zadim is a character I would like as a person, and maybe like to play.

LazarX wrote:
And why would you assume that Zadim would not have felt "right in his heart" about EITHER choice. His encounter with Kyra caused a crisis of faith, but that could be just as easily a crisis that made him resolved that he was right in his original choice. Not all crisies of faith resolve the way that one would think.

Resolving that by deciding "I care more about political concerns than what my religion says is right", which is what choosing to kill the man amounts to, doesn't strike me as a particularly moral choice. Forsaking a God can certainly be moral in many circumstances...but this isn't one of them.

I'm not saying him killing the guy isn't plausible, I'm saying it's morally wrong, and I prefer to believe he made the morally right choice.


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Why wouldn't he kill him? Don't you know how much XP an experienced paladin is worth!?


If he truly had become a paladin, and there's nothing in the story to suggest otherwise, then he would indeed have been redeemed - one of Sarenrae's chief principles. Zadim could then report back to his superiors and tell them that "Gordreth the Butcher" is no more and still be telling the truth (from the description he seems to be able to parse his words efficiently).
Whether he had actually killed the old man doesn't matter in that regard, although he (Gordreth/Jevantus) could certainly have offered himself up as a final atonement. Letting him live wouldn't "violate" his mission either, though.


I suppose it would depend on if Zadim believed that killing all those Clerics is a forgivable crime. Abadar seemed to think so, but then Zadim isn't Abadar.


I think we can all admit that Erik Mona is the king at writing Iconic Backstories. I really like Zadim's little tale, and I love the questions that cliffhanger creates. Personally, I favor either the idea that he didn't kill the paladin, or he did the deed, but only because the paladin wanted him to.


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Ravingdork wrote:
Why wouldn't he kill him? Don't you know how much XP an experienced paladin is worth!?

Come now... you don't have to kill something to earn it's XP. You just have to "defeat" it! And confronting a foe only to let him live counts as a defeat.

Quit trying to trick GMs into robbing us good Sarenites from our XP, you monster!!!! ;-)

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Deadmanwalking wrote:


Resolving that by deciding "I care more about political concerns than what my religion says is right", which is what choosing to kill the man amounts to, doesn't strike me as a particularly moral choice. Forsaking a God can certainly be moral in many circumstances...but this isn't one of them.

I'm not saying him killing the guy isn't plausible, I'm saying it's morally wrong, and I prefer to believe he made the morally right choice.

But "HIS" religion is the one in which Sarenrae demands blood for blood in the case of Jevantus. Remember that he's raised as a Dawnflower. And he's only had one encounter with Kyra to question his beliefs. I would think that it would take more than that to tip him towards the right way, and that would include perhaps a later stage of regret over having killed someone he should have forgiven.

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@ GentleGiant: I think that would depend on how philosophical they wanted their brand new shiny living weapon to be. Do YOU want a living weapon that does not follow their orders because of the subtle nuance of a supposed redemption?

Does the Cult want that in their living weapon?

Excellent things to think about in our own games!

Great iconic! I for one loved the "lady or the tiger" ending. Stories should go on after what happens on the page.

Zhangar wrote:
Quote:
What can change the nature of a man?
** spoiler omitted **

What is that from? I like it!


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Sprain Ogre wrote:
Zhangar wrote:
Quote:
What can change the nature of a man?
** spoiler omitted **

What is that from? I like it!

Planescape: Torment. Probably the best D&D based video game ever.

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Drock11 wrote:
I'd like to go on record as disliking open ended things like this in an iconic's backstory if an incident is going to be mentioned at all. In something that supposed to reveal the nature and past of the character, and for some of the iconics these writeups might be the only canonical info we ever have of them, it makes little sense to purposely leave out what may be the most important aspect of it. It's not clever. It's irritating.

And I'd like to go on record as saying "Give us moar". Whichever way I decide Zadim went when I play him as an iconic, will give me more ownership over him than any other iconic to date.

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LazarX wrote:
Deadmanwalking wrote:


Resolving that by deciding "I care more about political concerns than what my religion says is right", which is what choosing to kill the man amounts to, doesn't strike me as a particularly moral choice. Forsaking a God can certainly be moral in many circumstances...but this isn't one of them.

I'm not saying him killing the guy isn't plausible, I'm saying it's morally wrong, and I prefer to believe he made the morally right choice.

But "HIS" religion is the one in which Sarenrae demands blood for blood in the case of Jevantus. Remember that he's raised as a Dawnflower. And he's only had one encounter with Kyra to question his beliefs. I would think that it would take more than that to tip him towards the right way, and that would include perhaps a later stage of regret over having killed someone he should have forgiven.

Uh...no. To quote the above story:

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Such an affront, she assured, would be enough for Sarenrae to withdraw her favor from a dedicated follower, stripping away the divine bond so important to the servant's faith and work. But Zadim was not a cleric, and had no spells to lose. His duty was not just to Sarenrae, but to his masters in the Cult of the Dawnflower, and to Qadira, and to the Padishah Empire of Kelesh. If they decreed that Gordreth the Butcher must die, who was Zadim to deny their wisdom?

Emphasis mine. He clearly believed Kyra about what Sarenrae would want, he just had political masters to satisfy as well. There's...really not another way to read this bit.


Personally, I think he spared the Paladin, because the Dawnflower Cult sounds like an interesting organization to be the villian in Zadim's story.

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Deadmanwalking wrote:


Emphasis mine. He clearly believed Kyra about what Sarenrae would want, he just had political masters to satisfy as well. There's...really not another way to read this bit.

He accepted that Kyra believed what she believed, not that Kyra was right. Right after their encounter, he resolved that he'd make up his own mind about the Butcher's fate. It be rather facile and contrived for him to have thrown away his life's beliefs based on that encounter.


LazarX wrote:
Deadmanwalking wrote:


Emphasis mine. He clearly believed Kyra about what Sarenrae would want, he just had political masters to satisfy as well. There's...really not another way to read this bit.
He accepted that Kyra believed what she believed, not that Kyra was right. Right after their encounter, he resolved that he'd make up his own mind about the Butcher's fate. It be rather facile and contrived for him to have thrown away his life's beliefs based on that encounter.

His life's belief being that he would do the dirty deeds that other Sarenites couldn't, killing enemies of the faith and paving the way through hostile lands for the faithful to follow.

His serving the political motivations of Qadria and the Padishah don't necessarily fall under his religious beliefs.


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I like it. These new Iconics are so much better than the others, IMO.


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"The noble Sir Gordreth Chrysolian—Gordreth the Butcher—had been an administrator in the Taldan caravan city of Yanmass when he publicly executed twenty clerics of Sarenrae about 30 years ago, during a particularly vicious Taldan pogrom against the Cult of the Dawnflower."

Just thirty years prior? And it was only a "particularly vicious" one, too, so there are likely continually others going on. How intriguing.

I really like this backstory. It keeps the intrigue, plot hooks and such for the Taldor/Qadira schism over Sarenrae and the Cult of the Dawnflower going.

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Dude's not going to give up a PP for anyone. It's murder hobo time!

+1. Those things don't grow on trees.

Ravingdork wrote:
Why wouldn't he kill him? Don't you know how much XP an experienced paladin is worth!?

Depends on whether it's a CR-appropriate encounter, and whether killing an unresisting, seemingly-unarmed man counts. It might be story XP, of course.

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Sprain Ogre wrote:
Zhangar wrote:
Quote:
What can change the nature of a man?
** spoiler omitted **

What is that from? I like it!

Planescape: Torment. Probably the best D&D based video game ever.

I like this answer (warning, major spoilers):

Spoiler:
If there is anything I have learned in my travels across the Planes, it is that many things may change the nature of a man. Whether regret, or love, or revenge or fear - whatever you believe can change the nature of a man, can. I've seen belief move cities, make men stave off death, and turn an evil hag's heart half-circle. This entire Fortress has been constructed from belief. Belief damned a woman, whose heart clung to the hope that another loved her when he did not. Once, it made a man seek immortality and achieve it. And it has made a posturing spirit think it is something more than a part of me.

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Tels wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Deadmanwalking wrote:


Emphasis mine. He clearly believed Kyra about what Sarenrae would want, he just had political masters to satisfy as well. There's...really not another way to read this bit.
He accepted that Kyra believed what she believed, not that Kyra was right. Right after their encounter, he resolved that he'd make up his own mind about the Butcher's fate. It be rather facile and contrived for him to have thrown away his life's beliefs based on that encounter.

His life's belief being that he would do the dirty deeds that other Sarenites couldn't, killing enemies of the faith and paving the way through hostile lands for the faithful to follow.

His serving the political motivations of Qadria and the Padishah don't necessarily fall under his religious beliefs.

No he did not consider himself as doing the "dirty deeds that others couldn't", his beliefs are that he is acting as the rightful burning blade of Sarenrae's vengeance. Those deeds weren't "dirty", they were sacred acts of devotion. From his point of view the Dawnflowers ARE the proper Church of Sarenrae. And that the enemies of Quadira are her and his enemies as well.

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LazarX wrote:
He accepted that Kyra believed what she believed, not that Kyra was right. Right after their encounter, he resolved that he'd make up his own mind about the Butcher's fate. It be rather facile and contrived for him to have thrown away his life's beliefs based on that encounter.

Uh...no. What beliefs would he have thrown away? Even the Cult of the Dawnflower is big on redemption by most standards. And the mainstream church and the Cult aren't nearly as divergent as you're implying. In particular, the cult doesn't have any in-print history of regarding mainstream Sarenites as

And finally, from context and the attitude of the narrator, he accepts her words as true. His lack of divine powers is relevant, since it's mentioned that not losing such things is part of his decision making process. And so on. The whole paragraph screams that he believes her about Sarenrae's opinion on matters...he just maybe cares more about the political calculus. Or doesn't quite believe the guy's as reformed as he seems.

LazarX wrote:
No he did not consider himself as doing the "dirty deeds that others couldn't", his beliefs are that he is acting as the rightful burning blade of Sarenrae's vengeance. Those deeds weren't "dirty", they were sacred acts of devotion. From his point of view the Dawnflowers ARE the proper Church of Sarenrae. And that the enemies of Quadira are her and his enemies as well.

Nope! Or at least not entirely. He fully knows that his masters have political concerns separate from their religious ones, and that he serves those interests as much as Sarenrae. It says so like this:

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As the depth of the cult's plan became clear to him, Zadim began to realize that his masters were just as interested in spreading the political influence of Qadira—and its distant puppetmasters in the Padishah Empire of Kelesh far to the east—as they were in spreading the doctrine of the Everlight, but the revelation came too late to inspire a change in Zadim's direction.

Emphasis, again, mine. That's a very clear statement that he knows there's a distinction there, and works for them anyway.


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Really interesting backstory for this iconic. Very well written and intriguing. One of my favorite stories so far. One of my other favorites was Balazar, also written by Erik Mona.

Conclusion: Erik needs to write more fiction!


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GentleGiant wrote:

If he truly had become a paladin, and there's nothing in the story to suggest otherwise, then he would indeed have been redeemed - one of Sarenrae's chief principles. Zadim could then report back to his superiors and tell them that "Gordreth the Butcher" is no more and still be telling the truth (from the description he seems to be able to parse his words efficiently).

Whether he had actually killed the old man doesn't matter in that regard, although he (Gordreth/Jevantus) could certainly have offered himself up as a final atonement. Letting him live wouldn't "violate" his mission either, though.

You might have something here. He could easilt report to this master that Gordreth the butcher is dead, he was killed by Jevantus, Paladin of Sarenrae.

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Shivok wrote:
GentleGiant wrote:

If he truly had become a paladin, and there's nothing in the story to suggest otherwise, then he would indeed have been redeemed - one of Sarenrae's chief principles. Zadim could then report back to his superiors and tell them that "Gordreth the Butcher" is no more and still be telling the truth (from the description he seems to be able to parse his words efficiently).

Whether he had actually killed the old man doesn't matter in that regard, although he (Gordreth/Jevantus) could certainly have offered himself up as a final atonement. Letting him live wouldn't "violate" his mission either, though.
You might have something here. He could easilt report to this master that Gordreth the butcher is dead, he was killed by Jevantus, Paladin of Sarenrae.

Ah Obi-Wan strikes again. :P

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Cthulhudrew wrote:

Really interesting backstory for this iconic. Very well written and intriguing. One of my favorite stories so far. One of my other favorites was Balazar, also written by Erik Mona.

Conclusion: Erik needs to write more fiction!

Hey, thanks! I really appreciate the sentiment.

And with this "Meet the Iconic" out of the way, I now only have one article for Pathfinder #100 on my schedule, and then I can write whatever I want.

And that article is going to be a doozy.

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