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Monday, July 14, 2014

The Year of the Sky Key, Season 6 of the Pathfinder Society Organized Play campaign, is approaching, and that means the new Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play is on its way. It's still a few weeks before we preview the new guide, but we can share a few new options available at the start of Season 6. In fact, there's something for players and something for GMs and organizers.

I imagine you've already spotted the art and guessed that expanded race access is one announcement—spot on. Just as non-standard race access is a hot topic on the messageboards, it's a common talking point during our meetings. It's tough to balance the lure of race boons for conventions against letting as many people as possible play the types of characters they want. Add to that the heated discussions about whether or not some non-standard races are overpowered and the concerns about the so-called "cantina effect." That's a lot to juggle when making a decision, but we decided that introducing a few new options would be best for the campaign. Beginning August 14th 2014 at Gen Con, three new races will be available for play without requiring a special Chronicle sheet: kitsune, nagaji, and wayang. These races have been in circulation through extra Chronicle sheets for nearly three years now, and even though some players have had an opportunity to create these characters, we want newer players to have new options to enjoy. Like other race options, it is still necessary that a player have a book or watermarked pdf reference for the race, such as from Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Dragon Empires Gazetteer, Pathfinder Player Companion: Dragon Empires Primer, Pathfinder RPG: Advanced Race Guide, or Pathfinder RPG Bestiary: Bestiary 4.


Illustration by Eva Widermann

So let's see... seven core races plus three Bestiary races plus three Dragon Empires races. That equals 13, right? Well, there's one piece missing from that equation. We're also removing two races.

For several years, aasimar and tieflings have enjoyed a prominent role in the Pathfinder Society, but as the organization concludes its work in Mendev—where numerous pit-born fight for recognition and heaven-blooded warriors wage holy war—it's time for them to step back. Beginning on August 14th, creating an aasimar or tiefling character will require a special Chronicle sheet, as was the case years ago. The exception is any aasimar or tielfing character with at least 1 XP; these characters are grandfathered into the campaign.

Does this mean you can create several new characters, play a scenario with each, and have several native outsiders waiting for when you need them? Well, we debated long and hard whether to require 4 XP per character, as at that point one is past the free rebuilding stage. However, we also recognized this as unnecessarily punitive to casual players who may only be able to play once or twice in the next month. To answer your question, yes, you can make 10 aasimars and play The Confirmation an equal number of times, but we're trusting you'll exercise some good taste and respect a decision made with the larger community in mind.

Now that we've covered the more controversial news, let's wrap things up with something outright awesome.

We (both Mike and John) both have experience as venture-officers and event coordinators, and we understand that sometimes it's tough to convince a new player to commit to a full 4-5 hour experience. Some events just are not conducive to running a full game, whether that's because it's a weeknight with lots of folks who need to get to bed early or because the location is only open for a few hours. What do you do when a scenario just isn't short enough?

For years the answer has been quests, one-hour mini-adventures intended to last an hour or less. They're great little adventures, but they're a little difficult to schedule for a few reasons. First, there's no easy way to tell a bigger story by connecting a few quests together. Second, the quests—though replayable—offer no gold, XP, or Prestige Points, giving them a reputation of risk for little reward. The most difficult hurdle is that there are only two of them in print (not counting the Goblin Attack demos or Beginner's Box Bash demos).

This year at Gen Con, we're debuting six new 1st-level Pathfinder Quests that take place in and around the River Kingdoms. Each one is a standalone adventure, but they are all loosely tied into a common plot thread, allowing a GM to combine anywhere from two to all six to make a larger adventure as suits the needs of the group and event location. Play them in any order—one can even play the finale quest early—and earn a Chronicle sheet with rewards that scale based on the number of adventures you played.

John Compton and Mike Brock
Developer and Global Organized Play Coordinator

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Jiggy wrote:


Also, I think the DTH is the only one that can get STR/INT, great for magi or EKs.

Magi are cranked out by saranite orphanages and drilled en masse with the scimiar, making Dex/Int their prefered stat bonuses. Daemon-Spawn tieflings get that at a cost to wisdom. EK are extinct with the rise of the magi.

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Finally, I *think* there were some stat sets that aasimar don't get and tieflings have a painful penalty with, but I could be wrong.

Wisdom you can more or less make up with a trait and a 200gp perception rock.


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Cascade wrote:
Kyle Baird wrote:

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How about a boon that gives certain skill bonuses vs. races attached?
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+1

I support this concept.

I'm all for it, IF it is something that has at least a fair chance to come up again.

I have a character that has (with no spoilers)
+ to hit vs race V
+ to intimidate race X
+ disguise to impersonate organization Y
+ diplomacy in city Z

None of V, X, Y, or Z have been seen again. At first I was like, "Ok, minor but kinda cool." But no my attitude is closer to "Ok, well it just means I'll never see that again."

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BigNorseWolf wrote:

Nisha,

There's a feat to give you +2 for extra stony skin. (whereas 1 feat will give you back one of your energy resistances)

Yes. I saw that feat. And I agonized over taking that or the racial trait. But, sadly, my build was feat starved, so since I couldn't afford the Armor of the Pit feat, I decided to go with the cheaper alternative of losing 2 of my resistances for +1 AC. :)

(I swear, Armor of the Pit needs to have the devs look at again. That special section needs to be errata'd)


so what are all the available PFS races?

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captain yesterday wrote:
so what are all the available PFS races?

Do you mean ones without a boon?

As far as I know: all of the CRB races, plus Tengu, Aasimar, and Tiefling.

Once August 14th rolls around: all of the CRB races, plus Tengu, Kitsune, Nagaji, and Wayang.

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Nisha the Merchant wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:

Nisha,

There's a feat to give you +2 for extra stony skin. (whereas 1 feat will give you back one of your energy resistances)

Yes. I saw that feat. And I agonized over taking that or the racial trait. But, sadly, my build was feat starved, so since I couldn't afford the Armor of the Pit feat, I decided to go with the cheaper alternative of losing 2 of my resistances for +1 AC. :)

(I swear, Armor of the Pit needs to have the devs look at again. That special section needs to be errata'd)

You think it's too over-powered? I don't. It's good, but most builds don't have the feats for it. I just took it for my armored tank fighter, though. :)

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So, I have to admit I have done a bit of TLDR on some of the rants here.

I really like the quests - those will come in handy.

I've read over the faction changes - very cool, it's their campaign and a static world is boring. It's good to see those boxes we check on the reporting sheets actually do something.

If we are going back to Tien, folks may want to see if they can get a Xenophobia boon or two and put those no longer useful Kitsune, Nagaji, and Wayang boons back to work. Chances are there may be some bad guys there from those races.

On the Aasimar and Tiefling "ban" - I have mixed feelings. I've only been playing/running PFS for a little over a year. So to me and all of the players that have come in since those two races were allowed, those are part of the "standard package" for PFS. From what I understand there has never been a race that has been disallowed in the game before.

There have been classes that have been banned or modified, pieces of source material that have been banned and modified, and so forth. But I think this is the first time I have seen races removed from play, which, I understand the reasoning on - with the Blood of XXXXXX books, well, you can build whatever stat combinations you want, and really out-tweak everyone else.

One of the serious complaints I have heard is that Paizo is just trashing its own material. Folks have a LOT of money invested in this game based off the past year or two of play, some people well into the hundreds. And now, off hand, they are told "hey, those books we got you to buy because you could use them in our game? Yeah, those are useless to you now." It doesn't do good to instill that kind of doubt into your customer base. I've been hearing a lot of "Well, I was going to buy that book about the Djinn blooded, but Paizo is just going to ban it in a few years anyway." Not the best way to inspire confidence in your customer base.

Maybe just a ban on the variant bloodlines in future use - that would probably cut down on the number of those characters played.

My other problem with this scenario is that we are being told that boons will be available play them in the future - but that date is "someday." "Someday" is never to a lot of people and in a lot of gaming systems. Having some real, tangible, timeline would help folks out a lot.

This is also the first time players are hearing of this "cycle" where races come in and out of play. To may players, this feels very arbitrary "oh, by the way, we have this cycle we haven't told you about before...and now you can't play two of the key races that bring people to PFS." So are these three new races only available for play for a limited time? Is this a documented cycle your players can depend on, like the seasons of the game?

I also think with the new classes coming out, the changes to FOUR factions, and now the changes to the races, I think you have put a bit "change shock" into the game. Maybe a little less change all at once in the future and a little more visibility. Maybe a longer lead in on this change may have helped it go down better?

Anyway, I've been a gamer for a few decades now. I've seen companies come and go over the years. I think you have made a mistake with this change that will cost you in sales and established players.

But that is just my .02 kroners.

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Fromper wrote:
You think it's too over-powered? I don't. It's good, but most builds don't have the feats for it. I just took it for my armored tank fighter, though. :)

Actually, no I don't think it's overpowered. However:

Armor of the Pit wrote:

Your fiendish traits take the form of a protective scaly skin.

Prerequisites: Tiefling.
Benefit: You gain a +2 natural armor bonus.
Special: If you have the scaled skin racial trait, you instead gain resistance 5 to two of the following energy types that you don't have resistance to already: cold, electricity, and fire.
Scaled Skin wrote:
The skin of these tieflings provides some energy resistance, but is also as hard as armor. Choose one of the following energy types: cold, electricity, or fire. A tiefling with this trait gains resistance 5 in the chosen energy type and also gains a +1 natural armor bonus to AC. This racial trait replaces fiendish resistance.

By my reading of the feat, a Tiefling without the Scaled Skin alternate racial trait gains +2 to Natural Armor and 3 resistances.

However, a tiefling with Scaled Skin who takes it will have +1 to Natural Armor and 3 resistances.

So basically they get screwed for taking the alternate racial trait at character creation and then deciding they want Armor of the Pit. :/

In the special section, if they changed "instead" to "also", then it would work much better IMO.

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Nisha the Merchant wrote:
Fromper wrote:
You think it's too over-powered? I don't. It's good, but most builds don't have the feats for it. I just took it for my armored tank fighter, though. :)

Actually, no I don't think it's overpowered. However:

Armor of the Pit wrote:

Your fiendish traits take the form of a protective scaly skin.

Prerequisites: Tiefling.
Benefit: You gain a +2 natural armor bonus.
Special: If you have the scaled skin racial trait, you instead gain resistance 5 to two of the following energy types that you don't have resistance to already: cold, electricity, and fire.
Scaled Skin wrote:
The skin of these tieflings provides some energy resistance, but is also as hard as armor. Choose one of the following energy types: cold, electricity, or fire. A tiefling with this trait gains resistance 5 in the chosen energy type and also gains a +1 natural armor bonus to AC. This racial trait replaces fiendish resistance.

By my reading of the feat, a Tiefling without the Scaled Skin alternate racial trait gains +2 to Natural Armor and 3 resistances.

However, a tiefling with Scaled Skin who takes it will have +1 to Natural Armor and 3 resistances.

So basically they get screwed for taking the alternate racial trait at character creation and then deciding they want Armor of the Pit. :/

In the special section, if they changed "instead" to "also", then it would work much better IMO.

Yeah, that just means you have to decide in advance which you're going to take, since they suck together. If they're going to change it, they should just make Armor of the Pit unavailable if you already have Scaled Skin.

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Fromper wrote:
Yeah, that just means you have to decide in advance which you're going to take, since they suck together. If they're going to change it, they should just make Armor of the Pit unavailable if you already have Scaled Skin.

I'm fine with that too. As long as the devs take a look at that feat again and change something with it so that someone new to the game doesn't get caught in that trap.

It's fine for a home game, as you can always talk to your GM to correct it. But if it's for PFS, then they'll have to use the retraining rules to change their character (which may mean buying a book they may not yet own just to correct that mistake).

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Barker wrote:

One of the serious complaints I have heard is that Paizo is just trashing its own material. Folks have a LOT of money invested in this game based off the past year or two of play, some people well into the hundreds. And now, off hand, they are told "hey, those books we got you to buy because you could use them in our game? Yeah, those are useless to you now." It doesn't do good to instill that kind of doubt into your customer base. I've been hearing a lot of "Well, I was going to buy that book about the Djinn blooded, but Paizo is just going to ban it in a few years anyway." Not the best way to inspire confidence in your customer base.

Maybe just a ban on the variant bloodlines in future use - that would probably cut down on...

This is what aggravates me more then the perceived OPness of the 2 races. Paizo itself made the ruling on SLA's and put out the books they you to required to own to use the varients of those races, and then they get banned? This kinda seems off to me.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:

Absolom no. They've been in contact with tien for a thousand years and you can see ANYTHING walking the streets. Its like new york city, NOTHING is going to get a second look.

I lived in Brooklyn and worked in Manhattan for a looong time, and I can say for a fact I gave a second look a few times.

Once was when Tim Robbins quite literally almost ran me over while on rollerblades. The other was when Jennifer Love Hewitt walked by.

That being said, I agree. If you're medium sized and don't look immediately threatening, the vast, vast majority of folks in Absolom will be like, "meh"

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Cylyria wrote:
This is what aggravates me more then the perceived OPness of the 2 races. Paizo itself made the ruling on SLA's and put out the books they you to required to own to use the varients of those races, and then they get banned? This kinda seems off to me.

Mike and John did not make the SLA ruling, that was the rules team. The goal for PFS is to change as few things about RAW as possible. Since the rules team made the SLA ruling, PFS has abided by it.

And no official reason has been given (publicly) for why the Aasimar and Tiefling are getting banned, but they were a problem long before the SLA rule change.

Would you want to get blamed for something at work that someone in another department did? Cause thats what you are doing here.

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Glad to see my money was well spent on the Blood books.

Well, good news is I will save money in the future by not buying side books. I bought the blood books to be pfs legal. Now that content is being removed from pfs, I dont see the point in wasting money on non core books.

Can we expect these new races to be banned in the future? Should we warn new players to only use content from the core books, just to be safe?

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Seth Gipson wrote:
Cylyria wrote:
This is what aggravates me more then the perceived OPness of the 2 races. Paizo itself made the ruling on SLA's and put out the books they you to required to own to use the varients of those races, and then they get banned? This kinda seems off to me.

Mike and John did not make the SLA ruling, that was the rules team. The goal for PFS is to change as few things about RAW as possible. Since the rules team made the SLA ruling, PFS has abided by it.

And no official reason has been given (publicly) for why the Aasimar and Tiefling are getting banned, but they were a problem long before the SLA rule change.

Would you want to get blamed for something at work that someone in another department did? Cause thats what you are doing here.

They are representatives of Paizo as a whole, run by volunteers - and yes, while this is a free thing Paizo puts on - it can very very quickly affect their sales.

So to people outside of the box, they can only see the box making the decisions on their behalf. They blame the box because that is all they can see. The inner workings are invisible to the angry people throwing rocks.

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Cylyria wrote:
This is what aggravates me more then the perceived OPness of the 2 races. Paizo itself made the ruling on SLA's and put out the books they you to required to own to use the varients of those races, and then they get banned? This kinda seems off to me.

I guarantee this has nothing to do with the SLA ruling. People were all over those races long before that ruling was made, and after the ruling, the deluge of early-entry PrC characters that was anticipated by the cheese-cryers never actually happened. I would be incredibly shocked if the SLA ruling was even on the radar when this decision was made.

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HowlingWolf wrote:

Glad to see my money was well spent on the Blood books.

Well, good news is I will save money in the future by not buying side books. I bought the blood books to be pfs legal. Now that content is being removed from pfs, I dont see the point in wasting money on non core books.

Can we expect these new races to be banned in the future? Should we warn new players to only use content from the core books, just to be safe?

Just play an aasimar and or tiefling in the next month and you're good to go.

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HowlingWolf wrote:

Glad to see my money was well spent on the Blood books.

Well, good news is I will save money in the future by not buying side books. I bought the blood books to be pfs legal. Now that content is being removed from pfs, I dont see the point in wasting money on non core books.

Can we expect these new races to be banned in the future? Should we warn new players to only use content from the core books, just to be safe?

That content is not being removed from PFS. It's still there. You just need to be granfathered in or have a boon to access it.

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HowlingWolf wrote:

Glad to see my money was well spent on the Blood books.

Well, good news is I will save money in the future by not buying side books. I bought the blood books to be pfs legal. Now that content is being removed from pfs, I dont see the point in wasting money on non core books.

Can we expect these new races to be banned in the future? Should we warn new players to only use content from the core books, just to be safe?

you can continue to play any that you have at least one experience on. Also there will likely be race boons that become available.

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HowlingWolf wrote:

Glad to see my money was well spent on the Blood books.

Well, good news is I will save money in the future by not buying side books. I bought the blood books to be pfs legal. Now that content is being removed from pfs, I dont see the point in wasting money on non core books.

Can we expect these new races to be banned in the future? Should we warn new players to only use content from the core books, just to be safe?

Alternatively, you could compare the cost of those books to the amount of table time spent using those options, compare that ratio to, say, the cost/time ratio of going out to a movie, and realize that the sky has in fact NOT fallen.

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HowlingWolf wrote:

Glad to see my money was well spent on the Blood books.

Well, good news is I will save money in the future by not buying side books. I bought the blood books to be pfs legal. Now that content is being removed from pfs, I dont see the point in wasting money on non core books.

Can we expect these new races to be banned in the future? Should we warn new players to only use content from the core books, just to be safe?

I am pretty sure that people who bought Ultimate Magic for the sole purpose of playing a legal synthesist in Pathfinder Society were even more bummed, because (a) that was a more expensive book, and (b) the synthesist was out-right banned, unlike the Aasimar and Tieflings, which are still perfectly playable races with a race boon.

It seems to me that your complaint would apply just as well to any element of the campaign that was restricted or banned. So, you're complaining that not everything is available in this campaign?

Can we expect that the three new open races will be restricted again? Hard to say, since this is an experiment, but if all goes well, yes, they'll probably cycle out to let other race boons become open. If you want to buy books that never have anything restricted or banned in this campaign, you're out of luck, since there are some Core elements of the game that are banned (reincarnate) or restricted (crafting poisons).

And I agree with your first sentence. If you enjoy playing Aasimars and Tieflings, your money was very likely well spent, indeed!

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HowlingWolf wrote:
Can we expect these new races to be banned in the future? Should we warn new players to only use content from the core books, just to be safe?

Yes. If they are only buying the books to get access to content for PFS, and not to enjoy the book as a Pathfinder supplement, you should warn them to only play core rulebook options in order to avoid disappointment and useless books in their library.

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Um... if the goal is to change as few things as possible from RAW and the PFS team abided by the rules teams ruling on SLA's, then my point still stands, as does the wasted money people have spent on the 2 books.

And if the SLA ruling was not the reason, I'm curious what the reason for this was.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
HowlingWolf wrote:

Glad to see my money was well spent on the Blood books.

Well, good news is I will save money in the future by not buying side books. I bought the blood books to be pfs legal. Now that content is being removed from pfs, I dont see the point in wasting money on non core books.

Can we expect these new races to be banned in the future? Should we warn new players to only use content from the core books, just to be safe?

Just play an aasimar and or tiefling in the next month and you're good to go.

You mean the deluge of EVEN MORE tiefling and assimar characters as The Confirmation and We Be Goblins gets run more times than it ever has been run in the past?

I've even heard players who don't normally play them getting ready to make "grandfather reservations just in case I want to make one in the future."

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HowlingWolf wrote:

Glad to see my money was well spent on the Blood books.

Well, good news is I will save money in the future by not buying side books. I bought the blood books to be pfs legal. Now that content is being removed from pfs, I dont see the point in wasting money on non core books.

Can we expect these new races to be banned in the future? Should we warn new players to only use content from the core books, just to be safe?

Any characters you've already made using those books are still legal, and the content in those books is still valid for those PCs. You still need to bring the books with you when you play that PC. So you are getting use out of those books, as long as you already have that PC made.

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Barker wrote:
I've even heard players who don't normally play them getting ready to make "grandfather reservations just in case I want to make one in the future."

Sounds like things are working as intended.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
HowlingWolf wrote:

Glad to see my money was well spent on the Blood books.

Well, good news is I will save money in the future by not buying side books. I bought the blood books to be pfs legal. Now that content is being removed from pfs, I dont see the point in wasting money on non core books.

Can we expect these new races to be banned in the future? Should we warn new players to only use content from the core books, just to be safe?

Just play an aasimar and or tiefling in the next month and you're good to go.

Easy for you...i just had newborn twins.

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Would it help to just think of this as the Baby Boom following WWII?

Good and evil outsiders returning home after a long campaign in the Worldwound...

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Jiggy wrote:
HowlingWolf wrote:

Glad to see my money was well spent on the Blood books.

Well, good news is I will save money in the future by not buying side books. I bought the blood books to be pfs legal. Now that content is being removed from pfs, I dont see the point in wasting money on non core books.

Can we expect these new races to be banned in the future? Should we warn new players to only use content from the core books, just to be safe?

Alternatively, you could compare the cost of those books to the amount of table time spent using those options, compare that ratio to, say, the cost/time ratio of going out to a movie, and realize that the sky has in fact NOT fallen.

I havent gotten to use my aasimar book yet. Had an idea for a channel cleric that pushed and pulled bad guys.

No the sky has not fallen. I am sure I will survive without giving paizo more money.

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Cylyria wrote:
And if the SLA ruling was not the reason, I'm curious what the reason for this was.

Maybe because the campaign has moved away from the Worldwound focus where those types of characters made sense to start showing up?

Maybe because they wanted to add some new races without changing the total number available by too much?
Maybe because even before the SLA ruling those two races were getting overplayed?
Maybe some combination of those?

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HowlingWolf wrote:


Easy for you...i just had newborn twins.

grats!

Try the pathfinder society online collective. There's probably near 24/7 aasimar congo lines just for this at the moment.

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TOZ wrote:
HowlingWolf wrote:
Can we expect these new races to be banned in the future? Should we warn new players to only use content from the core books, just to be safe?
Yes. If they are only buying the books to get access to content for PFS, and not to enjoy the book as a Pathfinder supplement, you should warn them to only play core rulebook options in order to avoid disappointment and useless books in their library.

most pfs people i know buy books to actually be able to use the content in pfs. the enjoyment comes from being with people, not the fluff of a made up world.

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HowlingWolf wrote:
most pfs people i know buy books to actually be able to use the content in pfs. the enjoyment comes from being with people, not the fluff of a made up world.

Then, again, you should warn them against buying products that have no other use for them.

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TriOmegaZero wrote:
Barker wrote:
I've even heard players who don't normally play them getting ready to make "grandfather reservations just in case I want to make one in the future."
Sounds like things are working as intended.

So you want to not have so many more made, so you create an event to inspire people to make even more?

That's like bringing in new roaches to eat the old ones in your house.

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Liam wrote:
So you want to not have so many more made, so you create an event to inspire people to make even more?

The goal is not 'to not have so many more made'.

The goal is to shift focus to the new races.

If you stop production of Coke Zero, it doesn't matter how many people buy before production stops.
Eventually, the number of Coke Zero's available will decrease.

John and Mike are considering the lifecycle, while everyone else is focused on the present day.

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TriOmegaZero wrote:
Liam wrote:
So you want to not have so many more made, so you create an event to inspire people to make even more?

The goal is not 'to not have so many more made'.

The goal is to shift focus to the new races.

If you stop production of Coke Zero, it doesn't matter how many people buy before production stops. Eventually, the number of Coke Zero's available will decrease.

John and Mike are considering the lifecycle, while everyone else is focused on the present day.

That's because your customers are spending their money elsewhere on other products...that might be a bad example for Paizo.

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Barker wrote:
That's because your customers are spending their money elsewhere on other products...that might be a bad example for Paizo.

That's what customers do. That's why Paizo puts out different product. If this choice actually causes a significant change in Paizo's revenue, and can actually be linked to that change, I'm sure Mike and John will revisit the decision.

However, I believe that much like when the sythesist and undead lord and other options were removed, people will just play other things and carry on with their lives. We will see if I am wrong.

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TriOmegaZero wrote:
Barker wrote:
I've even heard players who don't normally play them getting ready to make "grandfather reservations just in case I want to make one in the future."
Sounds like things are working as intended.

Yep.

Jiggy wrote:
You could compare the cost of those books to the amount of table time spent using those options, compare that ratio to, say, the cost/time ratio of going out to a movie.

$6 for the *.pdf of Blood of Angels. Estimate 4 hours per experience point, 33 experience points before retirement, and you're looking at 132 hours of entertainment with a single character using options from the book. Though the $6 is of course not the only investment into those 132 hours, that's still a lot of value! :-)

HowlingWolf wrote:
Easy for you...i just had newborn twins.

Congratulations!

HowlingWolf wrote:
I havent gotten to use my aasimar book yet.

On a practical note, I hope that the Online lodge is coordinating some We Be Goblins runs to help out folks in situations like yours. That looks like it might be the best option to get your guy reserved.

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TriOmegaZero wrote:
HowlingWolf wrote:
most pfs people i know buy books to actually be able to use the content in pfs. the enjoyment comes from being with people, not the fluff of a made up world.
Then, again, you should warn them against buying products that have no other use for them.

Funny.. I just started a thread about this concept just this very morning.


HowlingWolf wrote:

Glad to see my money was well spent on the Blood books.

Well, good news is I will save money in the future by not buying side books. I bought the blood books to be pfs legal. Now that content is being removed from pfs, I dont see the point in wasting money on non core books.

Can we expect these new races to be banned in the future? Should we warn new players to only use content from the core books, just to be safe?

You got to use those books for quite a while, it is good for current characters, and you have a month to make a new Aasimar/Tiefling or two. Plus, there will probably be new boons for these races going around eventually AND the books work with non-pfs games as well.

On top of that, if you really really don't want the book anymore you could just ebay it off. That would be a bit short-sighted in my opinion though.

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Finlanderboy wrote:
Mark Stratton wrote:
Humans are always poor choices mechanically, but still my favorites. :)
Are you serious? That free feat can be game breaking.

Fatal flaw: no darkvision.

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TOZ wrote:
Redneck GM wrote:
From a mechanics stand point the power level of the player base will be way cut back.
They're banning gunslingers and summoners too?

Don't forget druids.

Shadow Lodge 4/5

David Bowles wrote:
Don't forget druids.

Druids are Core, they can't do that!

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"I was in a 10-11 game where a druid with an ankylosaurus was able to get his companion to huge, with a 42 (or higher?) AC, and it could just wade through and destroy everything. It was ridiculous. "

PFS NPCs need more touch attacks, more options in general that foil huge ACs.

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TOZ wrote:
David Bowles wrote:
Don't forget druids.
Druids are Core, they can't do that!

Watch me. Being core doesn't save them from being giant pieces of broken cheddar.

Silver Crusade 4/5

David Bowles wrote:
Finlanderboy wrote:
Mark Stratton wrote:
Humans are always poor choices mechanically, but still my favorites. :)
Are you serious? That free feat can be game breaking.
Fatal flaw: no darkvision.

I'd rather have a free feat and a sunrod.

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Fromper wrote:
David Bowles wrote:
Finlanderboy wrote:
Mark Stratton wrote:
Humans are always poor choices mechanically, but still my favorites. :)
Are you serious? That free feat can be game breaking.
Fatal flaw: no darkvision.
I'd rather have a free feat and a sunrod.

Not to mention a 300gp potion of darkvision lasts for 3 friggin' hours.

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My half-elf ranger is really sick of buying those potions, too. For the RP it costs, darkvision is stupid good. Low light vision is kind of a bad joke.

Your sunrod is useless against darkness!

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after reading that humans are a terrible mechanical choice and that darkvision is the only way to escape death via darkness I have pretty much given up on all of you

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Lamontius wrote:
after reading that humans are a terrible mechanical choice and that darkvision is the only way to escape death via darkness I have pretty much given up on all of you

The ironic thing is that my highest-level human *has* darkvision.

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