Meet the Iconics: Oloch

Thursday, June 12, 2014

Introducing the next of the Advanced Class Guide's new iconic characters, Oloch the warpriest. While the complete rules for making your own warpriest characters debut in the Advanced Class Guide this August, Oloch himself stomps onto the scene in our upcoming Free RPG Day adventure, Pathfinder Module: Risen from the Sands, available at participating game stores Saturday, June 21st. Oloch is also a playable character in the Pathfinder Adventure Card Game Skull & Shackles Character Add-On Deck due in August.


Illustration by Wayne Reynolds

Oloch has no memory of a time before pain—pain suffered, and pain inflicted. A half-orc of the Haskodar tribe in Blisterwell, Oloch was raised—if it can truly be called that—with the knowledge that his parents had been quarry slaves who died in the ancient mine's cramped tunnels shortly after his birth. Constantly forced to fight for survival against his larger, stronger tribe-mates, Oloch quickly learned that the best defense is a total lack of fear or restraint. Those who thought to casually bully the child soon learned the error of their ways, for in Oloch's mind, every fight is a fight to the death, and anyone who pretends otherwise leaves themselves vulnerable.

This fearless ferocity did not go unnoticed. As Oloch reached his teenage years, the tribe's leaders began harnessing the boy's abilities. Whether in the gladiatorial pits or in battle against the sometimes-allied One Eye tribe, Oloch shed blood on command—both his own and that of others As his victories mounted, the tribe's priests of Gorum took control of Oloch's education, wrapping him in armor and teaching him the glories of the Lord in Iron. In Gorum, Oloch finally found someone he could look up to: a being of perfect strength, without the pathetic fallibilities of even the other battle-priests. More, Gorum looked into Oloch's heart and put to rest any nagging doubts the half-orc had about his love of violence. He saw the dark thrill Oloch felt as his oversized sword split the spine of an enemy—and rewarded it with magic.

As time went on, Oloch began to chafe at even the meager restrictions placed on him by his orc superiors. Who were they to tell him when and where to fight? And so perhaps it was inevitable that, upon learning the truth of his heritage—that he was no slave child, but rather the stolen son of a human adventurer—he took the chance to sever ties (and limbs) and strike out on his own, taking with him only his favored gear and a description of the fearsome warrior woman who bore him.

Fortunately for Oloch, the legend of a woman brave enough to adventure alone in the Hold of Belkzen—and rumored to tryst unashamedly with orcs—is a hard one to stifle. So it was that he soon found himself standing before the gates of the human settlement of Trunau, calling for its leader, Halgra of the Blackened Blades, to stand forth and meet her son.

To his surprise, she did, and Oloch found himself both shocked and vaguely discomfited by the warmth with which Halgra greeted her lost son, welcoming him into her house. There she told him the story of his birth—how he was the product of a short-lived dalliance with a powerful orc leader she refused to name, and how he had been stolen from her as an infant during a raid on her campsite. She introduced him to his half-siblings, and offered him a place as a defender of Trunau.

Yet a wolf can never be a simple dog, no matter how much it might long to wear the chain. To Halgra's horror, Oloch's lust for battle refused to be sated by simple raids and training bouts. Citizens who roused his ire were terribly injured, and in the end Halgra herself had to take up her sword and drive him from the town, announcing that she would always love him as a son—but that he would never again be allowed in Trunau until he learned to control his battle lust and turn his divine abilities toward a positive end.

Frustrated, feeling shamed for the first time in his life, Oloch left Trunau. For a time he wandered the wilds, yet no ordinary beasts could provide a proper challenge—nor remove the lingering suspicion that there might, as Halgra claimed, be more to life than simple bloodshed. Eventually he wound up in Urgir, where he quickly found work as a government enforcer and champion. Though on the surface, he claims that his position ensures him a steady supply of worthy opponents, in secret Oloch hopes that Grask Uldeth's half-civilized ways will help him puzzle out how to balance the orc and human inside himself and discover the man he was born to be.

Oloch is a quiet, brooding warrior with a disturbing love of violence. Though not actively evil, and scornful of those who pick on obviously weaker opponents, he nevertheless takes it as a given that might makes right, and the whining of those unable to defend their property means little to him. He lives in the moment, relishing the red rush of battle and the communion it brings him with his god. He's not opposed to working with—or even for—those he considers his equals, but those individuals are few and far between, and must take pains to show him proper respect. Perhaps the only activity other than combat that truly brings him pleasure is making music on his drum—and then only if it's sufficiently riotous as to echo the clamor of battle.

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Evil Midnight Lurker wrote:
Joseph Davis wrote:
Jiggy wrote:
I wanted his mom to be Amiri. :(
I can see a massive amount of sexual tension between Oloch and Amiri in fan works lol.
I'm not seeing "tension" so much as "Godsdamn it, do we have to throw a bucket of cold water over you two? You know he won't be able to cast spells without eight hours sleep!" ^.^

he will have to cast bull's strength and bear's endurance to keep up with her and not end up dead by snu-snu


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Blackvial wrote:
Evil Midnight Lurker wrote:
Joseph Davis wrote:
Jiggy wrote:
I wanted his mom to be Amiri. :(
I can see a massive amount of sexual tension between Oloch and Amiri in fan works lol.
I'm not seeing "tension" so much as "Godsdamn it, do we have to throw a bucket of cold water over you two? You know he won't be able to cast spells without eight hours sleep!" ^.^
he will have to cast bull's strength and bear's endurance to keep up with her and not end up dead by snu-snu

He can use Fervor to swift action heal himself, or heal Amiri as a standard action. If he has to, he can channel to heal them both as a standard action.

Oloch can take anything Amiri can dish out, and keep going strong. Plus, Oloch likely requires a mate as strong as his mother, and Amiri is the only iconic that fits the bill.

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Meh


Suma3da wrote:
NoncompliAut wrote:
I think we're getting a CE iconic...
I'd wager he'll follow after Our Lord in Iron and be CN. Especially since they call out that Oloch's "not actively evil" in his background.
James L. Sutter wrote:
Though not actively evil, and scornful of those who pick on obviously weaker opponents, he nevertheless takes it as a given that might makes right, and the whining of those unable to defend their property means little to him.
Ultimate Campaign wrote:

Chaotic Evil

If I want something, I take it. Might is right. The strong rule the weak. Respect me or suffer. Fear me. There is only today, and today I take what I need. Anger brings out the best in me. I am the stronger one.

I read Oloch as passively CE, or on the evil side of CN.

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NoncompliAut wrote:
Suma3da wrote:
NoncompliAut wrote:
I think we're getting a CE iconic...
I'd wager he'll follow after Our Lord in Iron and be CN. Especially since they call out that Oloch's "not actively evil" in his background.
James L. Sutter wrote:
Though not actively evil, and scornful of those who pick on obviously weaker opponents, he nevertheless takes it as a given that might makes right, and the whining of those unable to defend their property means little to him.
Ultimate Campaign wrote:

Chaotic Evil

If I want something, I take it. Might is right. The strong rule the weak. Respect me or suffer. Fear me. There is only today, and today I take what I need. Anger brings out the best in me. I am the stronger one.
I read Oloch as passively CE, or on the evil side of CN.

I read it as he was indoctrinated into a CE version of Gorum-worship (one popular with pureblooded Orcs.) He's been clawing his way back to CN ever since.


Ross Byers wrote:
NoncompliAut wrote:
Suma3da wrote:
NoncompliAut wrote:
I think we're getting a CE iconic...
I'd wager he'll follow after Our Lord in Iron and be CN. Especially since they call out that Oloch's "not actively evil" in his background.
James L. Sutter wrote:
Though not actively evil, and scornful of those who pick on obviously weaker opponents, he nevertheless takes it as a given that might makes right, and the whining of those unable to defend their property means little to him.
Ultimate Campaign wrote:

Chaotic Evil

If I want something, I take it. Might is right. The strong rule the weak. Respect me or suffer. Fear me. There is only today, and today I take what I need. Anger brings out the best in me. I am the stronger one.
I read Oloch as passively CE, or on the evil side of CN.
I read it as he was indoctrinated into a CE version of Gorum-worship (one popular with pureblooded Orcs.) He's been clawing his way back to CN ever since.

Doesn't look like he's gotten there yet.


Orthos wrote:
Blackvial wrote:
Maccabee wrote:
I like this guy but, FFS, can we get another dwarf? I thought for sure the Warpriest would be a dwarf.
how about Tiefling or Aasimar iconics
Sadly, already refused. All Iconics will be core races, and most will be Humans. Unfortunately.

Ever since Advanced Race Guide, Aasimar are technically player races...


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MagusJanus wrote:
Orthos wrote:
Blackvial wrote:
Maccabee wrote:
I like this guy but, FFS, can we get another dwarf? I thought for sure the Warpriest would be a dwarf.
how about Tiefling or Aasimar iconics
Sadly, already refused. All Iconics will be core races, and most will be Humans. Unfortunately.
Ever since Advanced Race Guide, Aasimar are technically player races...

Core races are dwarfs, elves, humans, halflings, half-elves, half-orcs, and if you are deluded generous enough to consider them people, gnomes.


Ipslore the Red wrote:
MagusJanus wrote:
Orthos wrote:
Blackvial wrote:
Maccabee wrote:
I like this guy but, FFS, can we get another dwarf? I thought for sure the Warpriest would be a dwarf.
how about Tiefling or Aasimar iconics
Sadly, already refused. All Iconics will be core races, and most will be Humans. Unfortunately.
Ever since Advanced Race Guide, Aasimar are technically player races...
Core races are dwarfs, elves, humans, halflings, half-elves, half-orcs, and if you are deluded generous enough to consider them people, gnomes.

I know :P

It was more intended as an argument for the idea of expanding the field.

There has to be more to the iconic selection than just the six core races and a few pets.


Unfortunately, again, James Jacobs (and others) has stated that part of what makes an Iconic an Iconic is being limited to the basics. Core race, no archetypes.


Orthos wrote:
Unfortunately, again, James Jacobs (and others) has stated that part of what makes an Iconic an Iconic is being limited to the basics. Core race, no archetypes.

I would venture a counter-argument that any character not of the eleven Core Classes is already inherently not "basic," and either iconics should be allowed to be non-core races, or non-core classes should not be allowed to be considered "iconic." :b

EDIT: Alternately, there should be an entirely different set of iconic characters who represent all the races rather than all the classes.


I'm just waiting for the Core/ACG Iconics Football game to happen. The APG guys will the be the cheerleaders and referees.


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Might is Right and Might Makes Right are two different things.

The phrase "might makes right" depicts the concept that the strong make the rules. Historically, one can see this working among minor warlords and tribal communities where trial by combat more common. Strength leads to authority and "moral superiority". The purpose of acquiring strength is more of a matter of security in the community.

The concept of "might is right" assumes that strength is in itself the authority in both the legal and moral sense. If one is strong, they are by default the leader. "Might is right" is closer in concept to "might for might," where the acquisition of power is its own goal. The purpose of power then becomes to acquire more power as a vicious, never ending cycle.

Another example of "might" as regards to moral value is "might for right." In this case, strength is subservient to legal and moral qualities. The best example of this value is the Arthurian ideal of the knight. The purpose of acquiring strength is to defend the community and uphold what is right. While "might makes right" is opposed to the ideal of "might for right," it is not as opposed as the "might is right" argument.

If we ascribe "might for right" as a baseline for a Good alignment, then we can deduce the value of the other two arguments. As "might is right" is the furthest away from the whole "might for right" argument, we logically must determine it to indicate actual Evil intent. We must then concede that "might makes right" is a more Neutral philosophy.

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Orthos wrote:
Unfortunately, again, James Jacobs (and others) has stated that part of what makes an Iconic an Iconic is being limited to the basics. Core race, no archetypes.

Eh, the wheel turns.

We've got an Iconic Vudran (Sajan), an Iconic Kellid (Amiri) and an Iconic Keleshite (Kyra), so I'm sure that eventually we'll get an Iconic Tengu or Android or something. (Although I'd expect them to start with humanoid PC-able races from the 1st Bestiary and perhaps Golarion-specific PC races from the Inner Sea Bestiary / Inner Sea World Guide / Dragon Empires before moving on to Bestiary 2, 3, 4, etc.)

3.X had multiple core class Iconics, so it's not unprecedented (Devis and Gimble as Bards, Nebin as Illusionist, Mialee and the vastly cooler Mayan-looking Naull as wizards, Tordek and Regdar as Fighters, Lidda and Kerwyn as Rogues, Jozan and some dwarf (Ebrek?) as Clerics). Granted, Todd Lockwood might work cheaper than Wayne Reynolds...

Ah, that site. Things we never got to see.

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As for Orlock the not-Warlock, he's kind of bulky and Warcraft-y looking to my eye. I don't particularly mind that, but given how strongly anti-Warcraft-Orc sentiment runs at Paizo, it's a little surprising.

Then again, I'm not a fan of green skinned orcs.

Great origin story, 'though!

(The Investigator remains my favorite, from a sample size of three...)


Another iconic full of awesome. Great stuff, great art!

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Set wrote:


Ah, that site. Things we never got to see.

That art was made: it was a Chainmail mini.

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If nothing else, thank you, Paizo, for making my friend happy.

:)

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Okay...I kinda felt...meh for the back story. There are holes in it to drive truck through it.

I mean Halgra came off as a complete orc groupie fetishist. I mean some random half-orc shows up and claims to her son and accept it with out even a blood test...I mean just how many half-orcs did this woman produce?

It just seemed to easy for a settlement that is besieged like Trunau.

Yeah I know it is just a little short story...but I think it would have made more sense set anywhere else on Golarion.


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John Kretzer wrote:
I mean Halgra came off as a complete orc groupie fetishist. I mean some random half-orc shows up and claims to her son and accept it with out even a blood test...I mean just how many half-orcs did this woman produce?

Did you think before you put your foot in your mouth on that one?


Irnk, Dead-Eye's Prodigal wrote:
John Kretzer wrote:
I mean Halgra came off as a complete orc groupie fetishist. I mean some random half-orc shows up and claims to her son and accept it with out even a blood test...I mean just how many half-orcs did this woman produce?
Did you think before you put your foot in your mouth on that one?

What? I mean seriously...what?


John Kretzer wrote:
Irnk, Dead-Eye's Prodigal wrote:
John Kretzer wrote:
I mean Halgra came off as a complete orc groupie fetishist. I mean some random half-orc shows up and claims to her son and accept it with out even a blood test...I mean just how many half-orcs did this woman produce?
Did you think before you put your foot in your mouth on that one?
What? I mean seriously...what?

You say she comes off as an Orc-fetishist and then wonder just how many children an Orc-fetishist has. Halgra, in Towns of Golarion, is described as returning to Trunau with 'a veritable throng of children in tow'. If she truly had that many children, and truly was an Orc-fetishist, it would stand to reason that a large number of her children are actually Half-Orc.


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Let's break it down.

John Kretzer wrote:
Okay...I kinda felt...meh for the back story. There are holes in it to drive truck through it.

Any backstory that can fit on a single page is going to have 'holes I could drive a truck though'.

John Kretzer wrote:
I mean Halgra came off as a complete orc groupie fetishist.

So because she seems to have a preference for orcs, she's a groupie & a fetishist? Way to come off as both sexist & racist with that statement. Not to mention diminutize a woman's ability to make her own choices about her sexuality.

John Kretzer wrote:
I mean some random half-orc shows up and claims to her son and accept it with out even a blood test...I mean just how many half-orcs did this woman produce?

Did it occur to you that a woman might be able to recognize the facial features of her former mates in her offspring? What about her own? To you, he might be 'some random half-orc' (also racist), but I personally have yet to meet any woman who can't recognize her own children...

You also manage to start two sentences in a row with 'I mean'...

John Kretzer wrote:
It just seemed to easy for a settlement that is besieged like Trunau.

Halgra is specifically called out as pretty much being the A#1 Bad Ass in Trunau, has obviously more experience with 1/2 orcs than anyone else there & just said 'He's my boy.'...

John Kretzer wrote:
Yeah I know it is just a little short story...but I think it would have made more sense set anywhere else on Golarion.

Actually, for all the reasons I just mentioned, plus the fact that there really isn't any place like Trunau in published Golarion, no it wouldn't.


Irnk, Dead-Eye's Prodigal wrote:

Let's break it down.

John Kretzer wrote:
Okay...I kinda felt...meh for the back story. There are holes in it to drive truck through it.

Any backstory that can fit on a single page is going to have 'holes I could drive a truck though'.

John Kretzer wrote:
I mean Halgra came off as a complete orc groupie fetishist.

So because she seems to have a preference for orcs, she's a groupie & a fetishist? Way to come off as both sexist & racist with that statement. Not to mention diminutize a woman's ability to make her own choices about her sexuality.

John Kretzer wrote:
I mean some random half-orc shows up and claims to her son and accept it with out even a blood test...I mean just how many half-orcs did this woman produce?

Did it occur to you that a woman might be able to recognize the facial features of her former mates in her offspring, what about her own? To you, he might be 'some random half-orc' (also racist), but I personally have yet to meet any woman who can't recognize her own children...

You also manage to start two sentences in a row with 'I mean'...

John Kretzer wrote:
It just seemed to easy for a settlement that is besieged like Trunau.

Halgra is specifically called out as pretty much being the A#1 Bad Ass in Trunau, has obviously more experience with 1/2 orcs than anyone else there & just said 'He's my boy.'...

John Kretzer wrote:
Yeah I know it is just a little short story...but I think it would have made more sense set anywhere else on Golarion.
Actually, for all the reasons I just mentioned, plus the fact that there really isn't any place like Trunau in published Golarion, no it wouldn't.

I responded a more confrontational post...that I deleted. I will instead take a better track.

I politely disagree on women always recognize their children especially when full grown. My experience speak differently.

Most of it was attempted to be light hearted..as my line of a Blood Test I though would indicated(maybe it was too much of a American TV reference to translate well)...I was wrong so I apologize for the whole post.

Though there is really no reason to be a condescending about it. My question of what I did was sincere.


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John Kretzer wrote:
I responded a more confrontational post...that I deleted. I will instead take a better track.

I'm...

Going to do likewise & agree to disagree on this subject.


Yeaaaaaah. I'm not normally one to be super PC, and even I did a double take at that post John.

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John Kretzer wrote:
I mean Halgra came off as a complete orc groupie fetishist. I mean some random half-orc shows up and claims to her son and accept it with out even a blood test...I mean just how many half-orcs did this woman produce?

Uh...three? Out of a lot more kids than that. But only one of them was kidnapped when they were a baby (you did catch that she took care of all her children and thus had a good count, and only one got kidnapped, right?), and that one was a Half Orc, so...a Half Orc showing up and claiming to be him has some small credibility right there. And his attitude was more confrontational than one would expect of a spy. Add in that she might easily have noticed a family resemblance and it all becomes pretty plausible.

And I'm gonna agree that the 'groupie fetishist' thing is seriously unwarranted.

John Kretzer wrote:

It just seemed to easy for a settlement that is besieged like Trunau.

Yeah I know it is just a little short story...but I think it would have made more sense set anywhere else on Golarion.

Uh...who says they didn't do some tests? A quick Detect Evil followed by a Discern Lies and you know he's not a powerful Evil creature and really believes he's her son and is there to reunite with her. And that only requires a single level 7 Cleric to pull off, too.

This also takes about ten minutes on the second day he's there...and is thus probably not worth going over in a story like this.

Now, none of that proves he's her son, but it proves he believes he is and isn't a major security risk, and that's what matters.


Deadmanwalking wrote:
John Kretzer wrote:
I mean Halgra came off as a complete orc groupie fetishist. I mean some random half-orc shows up and claims to her son and accept it with out even a blood test...I mean just how many half-orcs did this woman produce?

Uh...three? Out of a lot more kids than that. But only one of them was kidnapped when they were a baby (you did catch that she took care of all her children and thus had a good count, and only one got kidnapped, right?), and that one was a Half Orc, so...a Half Orc showing up and claiming to be him has some small credibility right there. And his attitude was more confrontational than one would expect of a spy. Add in that she might easily have noticed a family resemblance and it all becomes pretty plausible.

And I'm gonna agree that the 'groupie fetishist' thing is seriously unwarranted.

John Kretzer wrote:

It just seemed to easy for a settlement that is besieged like Trunau.

Yeah I know it is just a little short story...but I think it would have made more sense set anywhere else on Golarion.

Uh...who says they didn't do some tests? A quick Detect Evil followed by a Discern Lies and you know he's not a powerful Evil creature and really believes he's her son and is there to reunite with her. And that only requires a single level 7 Cleric to pull off, too.

This also takes about ten minutes on the second day he's there...and is thus probably not worth going over in a story like this.

Now, none of that proves he's her son, but it proves he believes he is and isn't a major security risk, and that's what matters.

I don't think Halgra would pack cookies for just anyone. She obviously had some reason to believe Oloch really is her son.


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Ok, at this point, can we shelve the dissection of Mr. Kretzer's post? I realize I started it, but it has now gone on almost ten posts about nothing else & I'm pretty sure he gets that other people read his post differently than he intended.
Can we talk about Oloch some more now. For instance,

Joseph Davis wrote:
Jiggy wrote:
I wanted his mom to be Amiri. :(
I can see a massive amount of sexual tension between Oloch and Amiri in fan works lol.

Now I want to be there when he brings Amiri home to meet Halgra...

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Tels wrote:
I don't think Halgra would pack cookies for just anyone. She obviously had some reason to believe Oloch really is her son.

Oh, totally. My response to the second bit was the rest of the community's point of view, not Halgra's.


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Irnk, Dead-Eye's Prodigal wrote:

Ok, at this point, can we shelve the dissection of Mr. Kretzer's post? I realize I started it, but it has now gone on almost ten posts about nothing else & I'm pretty sure he gets that other people read his post differently than he intended.

Can we talk about Oloch some more now. For instance,

Joseph Davis wrote:
Jiggy wrote:
I wanted his mom to be Amiri. :(
I can see a massive amount of sexual tension between Oloch and Amiri in fan works lol.
Now I want to be there when he brings Amiri home to meet Halgra...

My mind may be delved into the gutter, but I kind of get the feeling that Halgra might have the policy of "No one marries my children unless they can dominate me first!"

Cue dirty times with Amiri and Halgra...


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Tels wrote:
Irnk, Dead-Eye's Prodigal wrote:

Ok, at this point, can we shelve the dissection of Mr. Kretzer's post? I realize I started it, but it has now gone on almost ten posts about nothing else & I'm pretty sure he gets that other people read his post differently than he intended.

Can we talk about Oloch some more now. For instance,

Joseph Davis wrote:
Jiggy wrote:
I wanted his mom to be Amiri. :(
I can see a massive amount of sexual tension between Oloch and Amiri in fan works lol.
Now I want to be there when he brings Amiri home to meet Halgra...

My mind may be delved into the gutter, but I kind of get the feeling that Halgra might have the policy of "No one marries my children unless they can dominate me first!"

Cue dirty times with Amiri and Halgra...

That...

Is completely not where I was going with that...


Bellona wrote:

Intereing backstory ...

But will we ever get a male elf iconic?

Albatoonoe wrote:
Damiel, the Alchemist, is very much an Elf man.

... You're right. For some unknown reason, I've been thinking of him as a half-elf instead of a full elf. My bad!


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Irnk, Dead-Eye's Prodigal wrote:
Tels wrote:
Irnk, Dead-Eye's Prodigal wrote:

Ok, at this point, can we shelve the dissection of Mr. Kretzer's post? I realize I started it, but it has now gone on almost ten posts about nothing else & I'm pretty sure he gets that other people read his post differently than he intended.

Can we talk about Oloch some more now. For instance,

Joseph Davis wrote:
Jiggy wrote:
I wanted his mom to be Amiri. :(
I can see a massive amount of sexual tension between Oloch and Amiri in fan works lol.
Now I want to be there when he brings Amiri home to meet Halgra...

My mind may be delved into the gutter, but I kind of get the feeling that Halgra might have the policy of "No one marries my children unless they can dominate me first!"

Cue dirty times with Amiri and Halgra...

That...

Is completely not where I was going with that...

How else is Halgra to ensure that her children have strong spouses?


You ever see Boondock Saints? You know that scene where Rocco is beating the one guy to death with a cue ball? You know what he was screaming?

Yeah. That. :)

EDIT: Forgot the :)


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Tels wrote:
Irnk, Dead-Eye's Prodigal wrote:
Tels wrote:
Irnk, Dead-Eye's Prodigal wrote:

Ok, at this point, can we shelve the dissection of Mr. Kretzer's post? I realize I started it, but it has now gone on almost ten posts about nothing else & I'm pretty sure he gets that other people read his post differently than he intended.

Can we talk about Oloch some more now. For instance,

Joseph Davis wrote:
Jiggy wrote:
I wanted his mom to be Amiri. :(
I can see a massive amount of sexual tension between Oloch and Amiri in fan works lol.
Now I want to be there when he brings Amiri home to meet Halgra...

My mind may be delved into the gutter, but I kind of get the feeling that Halgra might have the policy of "No one marries my children unless they can dominate me first!"

Cue dirty times with Amiri and Halgra...

That...

Is completely not where I was going with that...
How else is Halgra to ensure that her children have strong spouses?

She may need to test them multiple times. Just to be certain.


From possible racism/sexism to yuri fanboys? I'd honestly rather we were still discussing whether or not Haldra would recognize Oloch. Seriously, have the decency to keep your fantasies private. They're not funny or cute on a PG-13 forum.


Hey, we haven't even gotten into the idea of shipping Oloch with any of the male iconics. Like Valeros.

And Oloch and Valeros would make such a cute couple!


WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW.

Left turns have been taken and blood has been assumed where it hasn't been drawn. Calm down for a moment, folks.


Getting back to the topic at hand, I think Oloch would be a fun character to play. That obvious struggle with his more brutal urges and trying to control them would be fun to roleplay and I'd love to see the character develop over the course of a campaign.

Since we now know who the Iconics for the Swashbuckler, the Investigator, and the Warpriest, I wonder who will be next. Something tells me it'll be one of the ones we're not expecting anything soon, like the Bloodrager.

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Gentleman Alligator wrote:
Since we now know who the Iconics for the Swashbuckler, the Investigator, and the Warpriest, I wonder who will be next. Something tells me it'll be one of the ones we're not expecting anything soon, like the Bloodrager.

Given that they seem to be doing the four from Risen from the Sands, the Free RPG Day mod, and based on a reference I caught in another thread, I suspect the bloodrager is exactly who we will see next.


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God I hate people sometimes. Ugh.
But beyond that, I think that it's very interesting that, out of all the places, he's in Urgir taking an example from Grask Uldeth. And the fact that he's working as an enforcer for the Empty Hand tribe while trying to find out if there's more to life than senseless violence is interesting enough as well.
Here's the thing. If it's not Grask Uldeth that is the father, in my opinion, the only other orc warlord that's obviously intelligent enough to recognize a human woman as a powerful warrior and cultured enough not to enslave her is the warchief of the Black Sun, Krun Thuul. Still, I doubt it. The fact that they specifically mention that Oloch was drawn to learn from Grask Uldeth's Empty Hand tribe makes me think that it has to be him. Or the writers are trying to give us a red herring.

Do the writers have any intention of ever having something in Belkzen dealing with this?


Major_Blackhart wrote:

God I hate people sometimes. Ugh.

But beyond that, I think that it's very interesting that, out of all the places, he's in Urgir taking an example from Grask Uldeth. And the fact that he's working as an enforcer for the Empty Hand tribe while trying to find out if there's more to life than senseless violence is interesting enough as well.
Here's the thing. If it's not Grask Uldeth that is the father, in my opinion, the only other orc warlord that's obviously intelligent enough to recognize a human woman as a powerful warrior and cultured enough not to enslave her is the warchief of the Black Sun, Krun Thuul. Still, I doubt it. The fact that they specifically mention that Oloch was drawn to learn from Grask Uldeth's Empty Hand tribe makes me think that it has to be him. Or the writers are trying to give us a red herring.

Do the writers have any intention of ever having something in Belkzen dealing with this?

My opinion for what it's worth...is that the writers will never answer that question. Like the swashbuckler's background...it is a possible adventure seed for DMs to deal with.


there needs to be more non-human/half-human iconics (more half-orcs would be nice)


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Problem with a humanocentric setting.


Orthos wrote:
Problem with a humanocentric setting.

I personally like it. It lets me make my player's female elves really uncomfortable in towns.


To each their own! I've never been super-fond of humanocentrism but I know some people are big into it.


Never been 100% fond of it either.


Depends upon the nation too.
In Molthune for instance, the primary populations are human and halfling. However, there are now growing populations of both lycanthrope and hobgoblin, due to the army's recruitment policies. I could see Molthune as a rather interesting militarized nation, a combination of noble bureaucracy and militant meritocracy.


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At some point today we should be getting details about the warpriest class.


Hopefully sooner rather than later.

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