Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play: Guide 5.0 and Changes to Organized Play

Patrick Harris @ MU wrote:

Velsa wrote:

What happens if you lose your sheet before a game? I know I keep my characters on my phone so I can re-print my stats sheet... and my PDF's are on there as well so I have my resources... but if I lose my ITS am I just screwed... I don't have the signatures any more. Does my character suddenly become naked and therefore I should just quit the game?

1. The ITS does not get signed.

2. Keep the ITS with your Chronicles. If you lose your Chronicles, you are pretty screwed. Losing the ITS with them will seem a minor issue in comparison.

But as it stands I keep all my Chronicles stapled back to a stat sheet from the level they were done at and now I don't have to bring everyone of those to each module will I need to start bring 3-4 binders to each module?

If you use a lot of consumables, you might want to consider using a spreadsheet that you can access on your phone, sure.

But if you're like me, and you tend to just buy one big item per session, then your ITS will last through, what, 10, 20 Chronicles? It's just a tiny little addition ...

... and yes, you do need to bring your Chronicles, actually. They prove your character is what you say it is. This is hardly a new requirement.

Michael Brock wrote:

if a player isn't keeping track of equipment they purchase, and consumables such as charges on their sheet then how do they know when the wand runs out?

My group tracks wand usage (and all other consumables) on their character sheet. They update and print out a new character sheet with the new charge total. Some have a fresh sheet every adventure. Some print a fresh sheet each time they level.

It is hard to get some of the players to update their sheets.

The biggest problem I foresee with the ITS is that a "current inventory list" will soon spread across 4 to 6 pages with crossing off nightmares leaving 4 to 6 items per page. I certainly don't want to see a current inventory list spread over that many pages. I do not know if that is an exhaggerated concern or a realistic one yet.

We shall all find out together.

Which is why I like the idea of a digital format where I can shuffle things around so the used items are clumped together and active ones are easily found.

Hmmm. Possibly a spreadsheet or database where I could sort either by Chronicle bought , type of item, or Used/Sold...

The common practice at this point is that GMs aren't looking over purchases on the players' chronicles. They are filling out the "GM only" sections, signing the sheets, and handing them out.

Yup. And after all this kerfuffle, that is what they will continue to do. Because it works. GMs can still audit if the need arises, but otherwise get to treat people like they are responsible adults.

Sure, Mike can ban the noncompliant, and instruct VOs to do the same, but in the end that won't change anything. It would be far easier to ask the GMs on the ground what works (pretty easy to write an agenda-free-mail survey) and build the rules around that. But in the immortal words of everyone's favorite life-coach, Wesley Snipes: "Some mother@#$#@!s are always trying to ice skate uphill." :P

Velsa wrote:

Patrick Harris @ MU wrote:

Velsa wrote:

What happens if you lose your sheet before a game? I know I keep my characters on my phone so I can re-print my stats sheet... and my PDF's are on there as well so I have my resources... but if I lose my ITS am I just screwed... I don't have the signatures any more. Does my character suddenly become naked and therefore I should just quit the game?

1. The ITS does not get signed.

2. Keep the ITS with your Chronicles. If you lose your Chronicles, you are pretty screwed. Losing the ITS with them will seem a minor issue in comparison.

But as it stands I keep all my Chronicles stapled back to a stat sheet from the level they were done at and now I don't have to bring everyone of those to each module will I need to start bring 3-4 binders to each module?

If you use a lot of consumables, you might want to consider using a spreadsheet that you can access on your phone, sure.

But if you're like me, and you tend to just buy one big item per session, then your ITS will last through, what, 10, 20 Chronicles? It's just a tiny little addition ...

... and yes, you do need to bring your Chronicles, actually. They prove your character is what you say it is. This is hardly a new requirement.

Let me rephrase I don't keep them in my possession when I walk into the store they are in my trunk in a binder. We only have so much room on the tables... so now I have to have my Stat sheet out and room for my dice and 2 binders...

In a given module as a funny dwarf paladin I use Potions of fly, resist energy, acid flask, Alchemist Fire, Rope, Anti-plague, Anti-Toxin (some of these for forgetful adventures)... I looked at my chronicles and I would say each one starting at about 4 I have 3-4 lines of items.

Patrick Harris @ MU wrote:

Velsa wrote:

Patrick Harris @ MU wrote:

Velsa wrote:

What happens if you lose your sheet before a game? I know I keep my characters on my phone so I can re-print my stats sheet... and my PDF's are on there as well so I have my resources... but if I lose my ITS am I just screwed... I don't have the signatures any more. Does my character suddenly become naked and therefore I should just quit the game?

1. The ITS does not get signed.

2. Keep the ITS with your Chronicles. If you lose your Chronicles, you are pretty screwed. Losing the ITS with them will seem a minor issue in comparison.

But as it stands I keep all my Chronicles stapled back to a stat sheet from the level they were done at and now I don't have to bring everyone of those to each module will I need to start bring 3-4 binders to each module?

If you use a lot of consumables, you might want to consider using a spreadsheet that you can access on your phone, sure.

But if you're like me, and you tend to just buy one big item per session, then your ITS will last through, what, 10, 20 Chronicles? It's just a tiny little addition ...

... and yes, you do need to bring your Chronicles, actually. They prove your character is what you say it is. This is hardly a new requirement.

Let me rephrase I don't keep them in my possession when I walk into the store they are in my trunk in a binder. We only have so much room on the tables... so now I have to have my Stat sheet out and room for my dice and 2 binders...

In a given module as a funny dwarf paladin I use Potions of fly, resist energy, acid flask, Alchemist Fire, Rope, Anti-plague, Anti-Toxin (some of these for forgetful adventures)... I looked at my chronicles and I would say each one starting at about 4 I have 3-4 lines of items.

All the ITS does is replace the Items Bought/Items Sold section on Chronicles, which is going away so there can be room for other things. Keep it with your Chronicles.

All the ITS does is replace the Items Bought/Items Sold section on Chronicles, which is going away so there can be room for other things. Keep it with...

If that's the case, then why not eliminate the need to scribble something in the "Notes" section regarding purchases and create a space next to the "Gold Spent" box for GMs to initial?

I don't like this, because it opens up players to saying "Why can't I PVP?"

Actually I'm not sure you can't - Although the section of the Guide is entitled "No Player-versus-Player Combat" the actual text reads "In short, you can never voluntarily use your character to kill another character....." which suggests that PvP is OK provided no-one dies.

Errata: It looks like the Chronicle sheets have swapped Fame and Prestige spots. I like this, but need to swap it on the Character Sheet too.

I'm kinda disheartened that both campaign management and very vocal 5 star GMs are ignoring the overwhelming testimony about how the game is actually being run for the overwhelming majority of people playing PFS. My experiences match up with those already posted pretty much exactly.

Ignoring the issues that these very hard working volunteers are bringing up, or telling them they shouldn't be running or playing, is pretty toxic to the whole PFS environment.

If your rules and policies don't take into consideration the realities of the situation, they are bad rules and policies. If your solution is to require volunteer judges to enforce the rules and policies on their friends in a harsher manner, it is a bad solution.

I second the notion that Mark is too close to this arguement and started from a defensive standpoint and never left it.

I also second the notion to see how this works at Gencon and go from there.

But the points that are being brought up are valid and important ones, and the game is being done a dis-service by trying to drown them out, pretend they don't matter, or respond with sarcastic, blame pointing, and straw man arguements.

I'm kinda disheartened that both campaign management and very vocal 5 star GMs are ignoring the overwhelming testimony about how the game is actually being run for the overwhelming majority of people playing PFS.

The overwhelming majority of <3% of the player base?

Kyle Baird wrote:

Matthew Morris wrote:

More seriously, this could easily be a boon for Herolab users.

:-) Yep, if you use Herolab, no need to spend time writing your purchases anywhere. Just print them out (or keep them digitally)

I must have missed it, when did Hero Labs add Purchase Tracking?

When you put the entry in the Journal click on XP, enter gold etc. Thee's a place to add notes. You can print out those journal entries so it will read (roughly)

8/8/2013 Silent Tide Earned 1 XP, 501 GP
Any notes you type in.

So you just track that your purchases there (and expendatures) and voila!

Disturbing when you just throw out random numbers (<3%)to "support" your point of view. It is just as valid for other posters to say >99% hate the rule.
Fact: Nobody has any clue how many players like or dislike this rule (I am aware of no scientific polling or surveying that has been done. We can't even say how many people who post like it since people post under multiple names.
BUT we can say one thing as fact: The designers of the rules for society play like it. Thus, they must feel that there is a problem that needs to be corrected. If there is a real problem of people cheating at a game that is COOPERATIVE, then I am sorry to say gamer's have earned their negative stereotype

Victor Zajic wrote:

I'm kinda disheartened that both campaign management and very vocal 5 star GMs are ignoring the overwhelming testimony about how the game is actually being run for the overwhelming majority of people playing PFS.

The overwhelming majority of <3% of the player base?

Obviously the vast majority that doesn't post on Paizo's boards are the far more dedicated ones who are much more likely to know and follow all the rules.

I'd suspect that the opposite is true. Those that post and follow the news here are the ones more dedicated and more likely to follow the rules. Not weird statistical outliers.

Also, given that many posters have not only said that they don't do it, but that they rarely see others do it, I suspect they are actually reporting on the behavior of more than 3%.

And, if it had been chosen randomly, 3% would be a useful statistical sample. You really wouldn't need more than that to draw solid conclusions.

We will find out exactly how this works when it is destruction tested at GenCon.

At that point we can decide if we <3 it or not (couldn't resist that last one).

Disturbing when you just throw out random numbers (<3%)to "support" your point of view.

Fact:

lol

Dragnmoon wrote:

Kyle Baird wrote:

Matthew Morris wrote:

More seriously, this could easily be a boon for Herolab users.

:-) Yep, if you use Herolab, no need to spend time writing your purchases anywhere. Just print them out (or keep them digitally)

I must have missed it, when did Hero Labs add Purchase Tracking?

When you put the entry in the Journal click on XP, enter gold etc. Thee's a place to add notes. You can print out those journal entries so it will read (roughly)

8/8/2013 Silent Tide Earned 1 XP, 501 GP
Any notes you type in.

So you just track that your purchases there (and expendatures) and voila!

There really isn't a way to use that to fill the purpose of the ITS though. Unless you go back in to whichever Journal you originally bought the item in and mark it as sold/used, whenever you do so. I guess that would work. Seems like a lot of effort though.

Notes in a new Chronicle about items you'd bought earlier and consumed now don't do it. That's no different than digging through all of your paper Chronicles to see if you've used a potion or not.

Which isn't to say something like ITS couldn't be implemented in Herolab. Given the amount of support they already have for PFS, they might well do so. I'm not too familiar with it, but I don't think it could be done by a user with the existing Editor tools. You can make new items and abilities, but I think this would require new Interface, which is harder.

Disturbing when you just throw out random numbers (<3%)to "support" your point of view. It is just as valid for other posters to say >99% hate the rule.

Fact: Nobody has any clue how many players like or dislike this rule (I am aware of no scientific polling or surveying that has been done. We can't even say how many people who post like it since people post under multiple names.
BUT we can say one thing as fact: The designers of the rules for society play like it. Thus, they must feel that there is a problem that needs to be corrected. If there is a real problem of people cheating at a game that is COOPERATIVE, then I am sorry to say gamer's have earned their negative stereotype

I assumed <3% was meant to be "posters on this forum out of PFS players", not supporters of either side of the argument.

Victor Zajic wrote:

I'm kinda disheartened that both campaign management and very vocal 5 star GMs are ignoring the overwhelming testimony about how the game is actually being run for the overwhelming majority of people playing PFS.

The overwhelming majority of <3% of the player base?

Unless you have reason to believe that the sample isn't reflective of the larger PFS population, then absolutely. You don't actually think public opinion surveys of the U.S. population involve 300 million+ people, do you?

Even so, it would be easy to gather input from the wider audience, but suggestions to do just that have gone unanswered. Well, unless you count peanut gallery mockery and suggestions to leave the campaign as legitimate answers, which I do not.

I assumed <3% was meant to be "posters on this forum out of PFS players", not supporters of either side of the argument.

This. It's a number Brock's used before.

You don't actually think public opinion surveys of the U.S. population involve 300 million+ people, do you?

Sure I do. Derp... Is that the answer you want?

And no, I don't believe the fanatics that post here represent the average PFS player.

I'm kinda disheartened that both campaign management and very vocal 5 star GMs are ignoring the overwhelming testimony about how the game is actually being run for the overwhelming majority of people playing PFS. My experiences match up with those already posted pretty much exactly.

Who said that they are ignoring the situation?

If I was in management for PFS (I am not) and I wanted to clean up the fact that rules are not being followed, rules that I felt were needed, I would put a plan in place.

1) Look at the problem, see what is being done now, why it is being done that way.
2) Streamline the process, make it easier for folks to follow the rules (ITS?).
3) Have other proof the documents (Guide and ITS sheet)(early release of the Guide and the feedback has caused several changes and/or clarifications)
3) Pick a start date (GenCon)
4) If possible, have the marshals at GenCon let the players know about the changes while the table are being assigned.
5) See how the implementation works at GenCon - get feedback from players and GMs
6) Review the rules and make any necessary changes
7) Work with the VOs to educate the players and GMs about the rules (for anecdotal comments, a lot of GMs have simply been doing what they see other GMs doing).
8) Work on compliance of the rules.
9) Monitor
10) Pick a date in the future for another review of the process.

I am unsure what Mike could have said to ease your concerns over how the rules are being applied now vs the updated rules.

To correct any problem, you have to take those first steps, even if it looks like it will be challenging. I have already started warning players in my area that these changes were coming and advising them to get their chronicle sheets in order, the need for having the resources at the table, and their inventory - my first step.

bugleyman wrote:

You don't actually think public opinion surveys of the U.S. population involve 300 million+ people, do you?

Sure I do. Derp... Is that the answer you want?

And no, I don't believe the fanatics that post here represent the average PFS player.

Actually, the answer I would like from campaign management is "Yes, we'll go gather some data about what is actually happening, and then adjust the rules accordingly."

No luck yet.

But I'm curious: Are you also a "fanatic," since you post here, or is that just the other posters? And if the experiences of others are to be ignored, certainly yours should be treated with the same degree of incredulity?

Seriously? We're down to name-calling now?

For the one side: this proposed change will not that that much extra time. It's not like PFS dumps huge amounts of gold all at once. Most people should have a decent of idea of what their character needs anyway. If not, just get signed off on by the next GM.

The other side: what's the bar for fanatic? Am I a fanatic because I have somewhat different expectations of the GM than you? Am I a fanatic because I frequently express my displeasure with the lighting system in Pathfinder?

Patrick Harris @ MU wrote:

All the ITS does is replace the Items Bought/Items Sold section on Chronicles, which is going away so there can be room for other things. Keep it with...

If that's the case, then why not eliminate the need to scribble something in the "Notes" section regarding purchases and create a space next to the "Gold Spent" box for GMs to initial?

Honestly, if all you're going to put is "purchases 500gp" then you really don't need to scribble anything. If you're going to write "purchases 500gp, in-scenario bribes 25gp," though, it helps to note what won't be found on the ITS.

The GM doesn't need to sign next to gold spent because they're signing the Chronicle. The rules have not changed. Only where you itemize the purchases has changed.

For the one side: this proposed change will not that that much extra time.

We understand and acknowledge that this won't take that much extra time as opposed to the current rules. The ITS isn't the issue. The issue is that, in the experience of many here, almost no one follows the current rules because they are unnecessarily burdensome.

Sure, you could discount those experiences in favor of your own, or worse yet, make fun of those who don't see thinks as you do. Or even suggest those those people leave the campaign. Some here are choosing to do that.

I would argue that the better course of action would be to collect data. If most GMs truly aren't requiring every field on the chronicle to be filled out prior to signing, well maybe there's a lesson there. On the other hand, if they are, at least you know.

Hmm - I have too assume it is a made up number to lend an air of credibility to his comment. Unless he asserts that he collated all the responses on the different messageboards.

David Bowles wrote:

For the one side: this proposed change will not that that much extra time.

We understand and acknowledge that this won't take that much extra time as opposed to the current rules. The ITS isn't the issue. The issue is that, in the experience of many here, almost no one follows the current rules because they are unnecessarily burdensome.

Sure, you could discount those experiences in favor of your own, or worse yet, make fun of those who don't see thinks as you do. Or even suggest those those people leave the campaign. Some here are choosing to do that.

I would argue that the better course of action would be to collect data. If most GMs truly aren't requiring every field on the chronicle to be filled out prior to signing, well maybe there's a lesson there. On the other hand, if they are, at least you know.

So can't GMs continue to do this and have the next GM sign off on the purchases? I don't see the problem with that. It's just one more initialing for the current GM or the next GM.

bugleyman wrote:

David Bowles wrote:

For the one side: this proposed change will not that that much extra time.

We understand and acknowledge that this won't take that much extra time as opposed to the current rules. The ITS isn't the issue. The issue is that, in the experience of many here, almost no one follows the current rules because they are unnecessarily burdensome.

Sure, you could discount those experiences in favor of your own, or worse yet, make fun of those who don't see thinks as you do. Or even suggest those those people leave the campaign. Some here are choosing to do that.

I would argue that the better course of action would be to collect data. If most GMs truly aren't requiring every field on the chronicle to be filled out prior to signing, well maybe there's a lesson there. On the other hand, if they are, at least you know.

So can't GMs continue to do this and have the next GM sign off on the purchases? I don't see the problem with that. It's just one more initialing for the current GM or the next GM.

In many ways, this does make the official process easier and less consuming of game time. With the addition of "before" to the guide and the removal of the need to write all purchases on the Chronicle, almost all of the actual work can be done by players in downtime. Making it easier, even if it looks more complex because there's an extra piece of paper, is a good thing.

Thurston Hillman wrote:

Mike Brock,

To quote myself from GM 201 at this year's PaizoCon:

"You deserve this."

But you were holding a beer at that moment.

And had called me a talentless hack ... all because YOU showed up late to a game!!!!!

btw ... SHAX'S HOUSE OF PAAAAAIIIIINNNNNN heheh

Victor Zajic wrote:

I'm kinda disheartened that both campaign management and very vocal 5 star GMs are ignoring the overwhelming testimony about how the game is actually being run for the overwhelming majority of people playing PFS.

The overwhelming majority of <3% of the player base?

The most involved player base. If even the folks who care enough to spend time on the boards aren't doing it by the book, what are the chances that the folks who are less involved are doing even more work?

The non random sample, if anything, should be overestimating the folks doing it by the book.

And no, I don't believe the fanatics that post here represent the average PFS player.

WOOO FANATICS! *gets a new tattoo, dons his war paint, and beats his chest like an urban savage*

You better believe I'm a cut above the average PFS'er! Guarantee none of them are as stubborn as me or have a set of guns like...thiiiiiis!!!!

/flex's ridiculously.

:)

Victor Zajic wrote:

I'm kinda disheartened that both campaign management and very vocal 5 star GMs are ignoring the overwhelming testimony about how the game is actually being run for the overwhelming majority of people playing PFS.

The overwhelming majority of <3% of the player base?

This has come up before, and frankly, this is baloney.

Yes, <3% of the player base posts to the message boards.

However, give some actual evidence that what people are posting here is their common experience is different from what most of PFS is doing. Indeed, people here are reporting what they've seen in the wild, which means we're already sampling more than 3% of the player base.

If anything, I would guess that the people who come to these message boards are more likely to be aware of the rules and doing it right than anybody else. Speculation, but that's what I would guess.

While you can hide behind "we don't really know" if you want to, all the evidence suggests that what we're hearing over and over and over again about what is common practice in PFS is right. Yes, strictly speaking, if you want to ignore that, you can claim that the message boards are not representative, and keep your heads in the sand about what is really going on out there. Or, you could consider the possibility that what most people here are experiencing just might be telling you something about what's going on out there.

Am I the only one completely not understanding what people are complaining about? I took the time to do a full audit on my level 8 Sorcerer last night, filling in every purchase (except for stuff bought with my starting 150gp) on the new inventory sheets. I filled two of them completely, and start on a third, and it took me probably a total of an hour. I also found that I was missing out on about 600gp that I should have been able to spend. If I had the new inventory sheets, I doubt I would have messed that up.

Seriously, these sheets are going to make things easier for players AND GMs. I look forward to the players handing me their inventory sheets at the start of the scenario and saying "this is what I bought", and I'll initial. (Instead of having to look at the tiny print on those chronicle sheet lines). If they have something specific they want to buy right away at the end of the scenario, I don't mind signing off on that either, provided they write that item in while I'm signing the other players' chronicle sheets.

Seriously, I don't see a problem here.

rknop,

I don't expect Mike to have/be able to release the data.

And I don't put much stock in Kyle's numbers either.

graypark wrote:

Todd Lower wrote:

If you are worried about page count, create your own ITS that will work for your needs.

Kyle Baird wrote:

Or, you know, you could be proactive and make something yourself.

A question for clarification: It's the use of an Inventory Tracking Sheet that will become mandatory, not the use of the ITS that's found at the back of the Guide, yes? We're free to design and use our own trackers provided they list the same information in relatively the same format/layout, yes?

Yes

@Kyle, Thank you for the links!

@Michael, Thanks! I thought we have to use the specific ITS in the guide.

Going to print out the compressed ITS for some newer players today.

When people go home, after a session, pour through all of the books at their disposal, find the items they want to buy, and then write that item down on the ITS at the same time they find it, and THEN they show the ITS to their next GM at the start of the next game, so he can mark on the Chronicle "Items purchased - XXXX GP" how much extra work is this adding on the players' behalf. Just curious.

I'm counting 3 minutes tops - 30 seconds per player.

Quick clarification question on the above,

1) So the GM that signs off on the item purchases don't have to be the same GM as the last game a player played in?

2) And on which chronicle sheet should these purchases be listed? The new game's? Or the last game's?

Having played classes that burn through consumables, I really like the ITS. It can be a little confusing checking how many Acid flasks I have bought and used up over the coarse of many games.

Michael Brock wrote:

So if it takes an extra 30-60 seconds by the player to make the GMs job easier, then it isn't worth the extra work. That is what I'm reading from all of the uproar.

Mike, I mean this as respectfully as I possibly can. You're a smart person who obviously has the best interests of PFS at heart. You also listen and change your mind on many occassions. You're doing an excellent job as campaign coordinator.

But if that is what you're getting from the uproar then I think that you're too close to the issue and, unconsciously, are getting defensive.

A lot of people have raised quite reasonable points.

The store where I'm the coordinator has a VERY tight schedule. People often find it hard to get there on time so we tend to start a little late. The store closes at 10pm sharp. We almost always have a little less than 4 hours to complete the scemario.

We have a mix of GMs. Some quite inexperienced.

On at least 2 occassions that I am aware of the game ran a little long and even the basic signing of chronicle sheets did not happen in the store. Instead, they went to a nearby food court. It is VERY common for the GM to be frantically signing the chroniole sheets while the store employees are standing there hurrying us up.

That is the kind of time pressure that we're under.

We currently ignore the current rules. The GM signs the chronicle sheets, the players fill it in later (if at all). We have essentially no audits of characters.

So yes, I'm concerned about extra overhead. Just following the current rules is extra overhead. Following the new rules will be still more extra overhead.

The issue really isn't "What is the change from the current rules to the new rules" it is "What is the change from the current practice to the new rules".

I think that concern is valid.

Looks like the bigger issue there is trying to jam 5-6 hours of gaming into 4 hours.

So, if a large majority of players feels not using character sheets is a good idea, we should abandon that rule?

+1. Coming up next: let's just stop following all the laws we don't like.

The only problem is, the final release of Guide 5.0 will be codified before GenCon.

So, if there's any changes we want to see, time is running out to argue for them.

Sure. Until guide 5.1. And 5.2

The current administration has proven incredibly agile in responding to needs in the community in a timely manner.

bugleyman wrote:

You don't actually think public opinion surveys of the U.S. population involve 300 million+ people, do you?

Sure I do. Derp... Is that the answer you want?

And no, I don't believe the fanatics that post here represent the average PFS player.

Only inasmuch as the extreme people that call in to talk radio programs are representative of the populace at large.

Michael Brock wrote:

When people go home, after a session, pour through all of the books at their disposal, find the items they want to buy, and then write that item down on the ITS at the same time they find it, and THEN they show the ITS to their next GM at the start of the next game, so he can mark on the Chronicle "Items purchased - XXXX GP" how much extra work is this adding on the players' behalf. Just curious.

I'm counting 3 minutes tops - 30 seconds per player.

Quick clarification question on the above,

1) So the GM that signs off on the item purchases don't have to be the same GM as the last game a player played in?

2) And on which chronicle sheet should these purchases be listed? The new game's? Or the last game's?

Having played classes that burn through consumables, I really like the ITS. It can be a little confusing checking how many Acid flasks I have bought and used up over the coarse of many games.

1) The GM that signs the Chronicle has to be the GM that ran the Chronicle.

Michael Brock wrote:

So, if a large majority of players feels not using character sheets is a good idea, we should abandon that rule?

+1. Coming up next: let's just stop following all the laws we don't like.

Checks Akeela's mattress for tags

Akeela Valerian, the Wolf wrote:

Michael Brock wrote:

So, if a large majority of players feels not using character sheets is a good idea, we should abandon that rule?

+1. Coming up next: let's just stop following all the laws we don't like.

Checks Akeela's mattress for tags

Feel free to tear them off.

PS Kyle, I know a table full of lawyers that would love to play at your table at Gencon. Not a joke. Ask Mike Brock.

Michael Brock wrote:

So, if a large majority of players feels not using character sheets is a good idea, we should abandon that rule?

+1. Coming up next: let's just stop following all the laws we don't like.

Worked for the 18th Amendment.

PS Kyle, I know a table full of lawyers that would love to play at your table at Gencon. Not a joke. Ask Mike Brock.

Oooh. Have room for one more?

I have just finished updating the translation of PFS Guide 5.0 into french, and i noticed some oddities/errors/inconsistencies:

If you ever want to read the PFS Guide in French, it is here:
http://www.pathfinder-fr.org/Wiki/Aventures.PFSG.ashx

Page 32: Because the Pathfinder Society Organized Play campaign
has evolved over its lifetime, some small adjustments
need to be made when running scenarios from ** Seasons
0–2 ** under the current rules. Below are instructions for
converting Scenarios #0–1 to #4–26.
=> It should be mentioned Seasons 0-4

Page 36: Dealing with afflictions
=> You repeatedly mention :" Items Bought/
Conditions Cleared box at the bottom of the Chronicle
sheet." while this box does not exist anymore.

Page 34: Chronicles and Record-Keeping
Tracking Prestige Points is fairly simple;
it requires you to read over the success conditions and
** faction missions ** entries in the back of the scenario before
play, ** hand out the faction mission letters ** after reading out
the Getting Started text at the beginning of the scenario,
and then record whether or not the PCs accomplish these
missions during the scenario.
=> Reference to faction missions should be removed, no ?

Page 26: Pathfinder Tales Novels

It is said:
a player may access by showing her copy of a Pathfinder
Tales book to the GM of any sanctioned Pathfinder
Society event and having the GM initial the box next to
the corresponding boon. Once all four boxes have been
initialed, the player may also apply the Prolific Reader
boon to a single character.

Then:
. As long as the player has a copy of the book on hand, she should be
able to use the Chronicle sheet just like any other.

In my understanding if your boon has been paraphed (meaning you have shown the book at a GM), you do not need to have a copy of the book at hand in order to later use the Chronicle Sheet.

The version of the Guide released today (Monday August 12) and that I just downloaded has no bookmarks or table of contents in it (the PDF feature, I mean, not the printed table of contents).

The Guide 5.0 that was released last week *did*, so I'm guessing this was an oversight in the PDF export.

I don't suppose there's any chance we can get yet another update to the Guide to include this? It's VERY handy for navigating the PDF file.

The version of the Guide released today (Monday August 12) and that I just downloaded has no bookmarks or table of contents in it (the PDF feature, I mean, not the printed table of contents).

The Guide 5.0 that was released last week *did*, so I'm guessing this was an oversight in the PDF export.

I don't suppose there's any chance we can get yet another update to the Guide to include this? It's VERY handy for navigating the PDF file.

This appears to be an error and has been remedied. If you redownload you should get a file with bookmarks.