I was looking around in the books and I have noticed some kaiju sized monsters that already exist. Such as the aspidochelone, sea bonze, CR 18 sea serpent, oma (to a lesser extent), and maybe Xotani the Firebleeder (40 by 40 space, but there is no mention on how big it actually is)
Aspidochelone, that's the one i was talking about in the post just before yours, now i also remember the name.
Honestly I always saw the Tarrasque as the DnD version of godzilla. I would consider it, and any other colossal creatures Kaiju sized.
A flumph/human hybrid, even I find that one disturbing.
A baby Brethedan familiar would be nice.
Zzzz*
No Sincubus, I am sure that the "Zzzz" monster will not be in this Bestiary, but maybe by Bestiary 12 you will get your wish;)
Well they will be in bestiary 4, there must be at least one monster connected with the dream world, and otherwise Tooth Fairies that come when you are asleep will do nicely.
Can't say! But I do know there's a bunch about them in Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Chronicle of the Righteous. Do with that info what you will. ;)I second that question! Agathions and Azatas mayhap? They are somewhat under represented.would be new celestials in this bestiary?
Okay. I WILL do what I will with that information.
*puts Chronicles of Righteousness into the side cart*
James, would it be remotely possible for a party of...let's say six Mythic PCs, backed up by one Solar and four Planetars to beat Cthulhu and six Star-Spawn?
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James, would it be remotely possible for a party of...let's say six Mythic PCs, backed up by one Solar and four Planetars to beat Cthulhu and six Star-Spawn?
Depends on the party's stats, tactics, and luck...
... but the star spawn, solar, and planetars are gonna be chumps in the fight, regardless.
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So we know Cthulhu is making an appearance, what about Hastur?
Hastur was invented by Ambrose Bierce and developed further by Lovecraft and Robert Chambers. All those stories are in the public domain. The Derleth, Chaosium, Pagan Publishing, and D&D elements that, arguably, are more well-known to most gamers, are NOT in the public domain.
Make of that information what you will! I'm not gonna say either way until much closer to the book's release at the end of the year.
I would be entirely happy with keeping "The King in Yellow" as a Mythos entity and downplaying or eliminating the idea that its name is Hastur.
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I would be entirely happy with keeping "The King in Yellow" as a Mythos entity and downplaying or eliminating the idea that its name is Hastur.
We've already associated the two and the Great Old One's name is Hastur, as detailed in Pathfinder #46. Regardless of where we go from here, that won't be changing.
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The problem with stating up Hastur is that, if you try to stay loyal to Lovecraft and his contemporaries, and exclude the later contributions to the Mythos by Derleth, Chaosium, and others, Hastur is the very definition of undefined. Hastur could be an entity, a place, or a thing. Obviously, Paizo is going with it being an entity, but if it's so ill-defined that you can't even be sure of that, then obviously there is literally nothing to base their stats/description upon.
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James, would it be remotely possible for a party of...let's say six Mythic PCs, backed up by one Solar and four Planetars to beat Cthulhu and six Star-Spawn?Depends on the party's stats, tactics, and luck...
... but the star spawn, solar, and planetars are gonna be chumps in the fight, regardless.
And by "Chumps" you mean, "Cannon-fodder that will not affect the overall outcome of the encounter?"
Whoa. Lots like even high-CR creatures are just speed bumps for a maxed-out Mythic party.
Maybe Hastur has such good shapeshifting ability that it can be a place, a thing, or an entity.
James, would it be remotely possible for a party of...let's say six Mythic PCs, backed up by one Solar and four Planetars to beat Cthulhu and six Star-Spawn?Depends on the party's stats, tactics, and luck...
... but the star spawn, solar, and planetars are gonna be chumps in the fight, regardless.
And by "Chumps" you mean, "Cannon-fodder that will not affect the overall outcome of the encounter?"
Whoa. Lots like even high-CR creatures are just speed bumps for a maxed-out Mythic party.
Players max out at around CR 25, I think. It would be kind of hard to believe that something that's CR 23 that has access to miracle and wish would have no effect in the overall battle. Well, to me at least.
I am still hoping to the highest planes that "countless online sources" means that we will be getting treatments for things such as the Slender Man, the Rake, and other creepypasta, SCP, or otherwise Internet-legend style creatures.
ANYTHING like that would be amazing.
And it would fit so perfectly with the cryptids and the like with which Paizo has already done such wonderful work. (I could EASILY envision such things as the Mothman and the Slender Man operating in the same narrative and thematic universe.) Will we ever get stats for Greys, or are those already considered covered by Der(r)o? :) I would love stats for Greys.
The presence of Great Old Ones ALONE already means that this book is going to have me smiling for a month (CTHULHU!!!) And anything that can get me to smile and once more feel a fleeting sense of happiness at all is truly rare and momentous. If there are indeed monsters from "countless online sources" then I may well end up being so happy that I inadvertently do myself an injury. A happy injury, perhaps strained smile muscles, or some dizziness and shortness of breath caused by a long-withered heart beating once more.
This is going to be the raddest of all of the Bestiaries, easily.
I am still hoping to the highest planes that "countless online sources" means that we will be getting treatments for things such as the Slender Man, the Rake, and other creepypasta, SCP, or otherwise Internet-legend style creatures.
ANYTHING like that would be amazing.
And it would fit so perfectly with the cryptids and the like with which Paizo has already done such wonderful work. (I could EASILY envision such things as the Mothman and the Slender Man operating in the same narrative and thematic universe.) Will we ever get stats for Greys, or are those already considered covered by Der(r)o? :) I would love stats for Greys.
The presence of Great Old Ones ALONE already means that this book is going to have me smiling for a month (CTHULHU!!!) And anything that can get me to smile and once more feel a fleeting sense of happiness at all is truly rare and momentous. If there are indeed monsters from "countless online sources" then I may well end up being so happy that I inadvertently do myself an injury. A happy injury, perhaps strained smile muscles, or some dizziness and shortness of breath caused by a long-withered heart beating once more.
This is going to be the raddest of all of the Bestiaries, easily.
Dude, hook me up with a Slenderman. As long as you aren't looking at him, Greater Teleport at will. If you look at him for more than three consecutive rounds, you need to make increasingly difficult will saves or die, DC reset when you look away.
Do want.
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Will we ever get stats for Greys, or are those already considered covered by Der(r)o? :) I would love stats for Greys.
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6) Derro are pretty much the official stand-in for the grays in Pathfinder. Partially because the real world genesis of the "dero" had something to do with the mass hysteria and growth of the legend of the grays, with the Shaver Mystery tales appearing in Amazing Stories and all.
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The Derro are now pretty much exactly the Deros from the Shaver mysteries. In that case who/what are the Teros? According to the Shaver mysteries both were descended from an advanced civilization of giants, titans, and/or Atlanteans. His accounts were inconsistent, mostly from being crazy, though he always maintained the crazy was induced by the Deros experimentation. Could Shaver been mistaking giant big for giant grandiose? If so who was the original Derro progenitor on Golarion? Was it the Azlant? Or an even a more ancient heritage? Are the Derro finally going to shed the last vestiges of their D&D imposed fey heritage?Derro in Pathfinder fill the role of "mass hysteria monster." Be they actual deros from the Shaver mysteries (which caused their own mass hysteria back in the day sort of), or be they human-abducting greys from flying saucers.
"Into the Darklands" and "Classic Horrors" both go into extensive detail about where the derros of Golarion are from—they were once pechs (see Bestiary 2) who served the mysterious Vault Builders of Orv; when the Vault Builders left, they left the pechs behind. Some of the pechs stayed put, but others banded together to climb up through the Darklands to seek other fates—they ended up making it to Nar Voth but not beyond, and after exposure to strange fungus and other elements, transformed over several generations, morlock style, into derros.
So in this case, the Teros are pechs.
1)What creature types would you make the movie version of Gremlins? Critters? Grey Aliens?
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1) Fey, monstrous humanoid, humanoid. Note that there are already some critters in the game that fill the roles these monsters have (we have several different types of gremlins, for example, and derros do all the things greys do to scare us).
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I'd still like to see a Gray in Pathfinder, maybe pulling from other UFO lore. Less alien abduction and more secret observers from the stars.
I like Derro's as Grey's, the Derro were otherwise just clones from Grimlocks/Morlocks, in this way you have two flies in one clap, as Grey's would be too futuristic for me personally.
Derro bore me and lack the telepathy/telekinetic abilities I would like for Greys to have anyway. So I would love Greys to find there way into hardcover bestiaries along with other stuff from modern alien lore.
Derro are weird with that racial insanity thing stapled on to them in 3.5e.
Guess you have to wait then, as JJ was pretty clair on that Derro are Paizo's greys.
If you mean the Aliens from the movies you can wait even longer as those are copyrighted very strickly and will probably stay that way forever, same for all other movie aliens from modern times.
We've already got the Thin Man from the Inner Sea Bestiary as a Slendy stand-in, although its art does not convey this well.
Derro's "tacked-on" insanity works perfectly for their lore, since Shaver's dero were mentally twisted and incapable of anything but evil acts.
And if you want xenomorphs, there's always the akata.
Honestly I am afraid of more things from Urban Legends and Folklore.
Especially since Bogeymen were portrayed as Evil. (Read some of the older lore people!) they were protectors of Good Children and gave Nightmare to those who threatened Children or Bad Children.
That and I'm still not sure where the idea of giving Tanuki(?) Sake Affinity came from...
So wait, the Bogeyman wasn't always evil?
In a lot of the older stories the Bogeyman was only after bad children and it was a way to scare children into being good.
Maybe in the Gaming world in terms of D&D and Pathfinder but other games (mainly ones based on older folklore) they used the older myths of the Bogeys. They protected innocent children. Similar to how Tommy-Knockers protected Miners.
Well i'm glad the Boogeyman is evil, wouldn't care for the creature if it was good.
I'd like to see both a Good and an Evil version.
That's the most interesting scenario if you ask me.
A good version of the Bogeyman would be interesting.
Bogeys would be more along the line of Neutral.
Wouldn't a good Bogeyman just be a Bogeyman with "G" in it's alignment section? Arguably, the difference between a good bogeyman and an evil one is that the former targets bad kids. I'd reckon that they'd have the same powers, just would be good.
Meh, Mainly just make them Neutral and give them an ability to negate any fear effect as well as generate a fear affect.
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Thank you very much, sir. That's what I had thought was the case regarding the Derro and the Greys. I've read the wonderful Classic Horrors Revisited and Into the Darklands, and absolutely LOVE what they've done with the Derro in Pathfinder, combining the classic Shaver Mysteries Dero with the flavor and lore of the Greys. When I read about how they are rumored to fly around in saucer-shaped craft to abduct people I knew it was a reference to the Greys, but I had still wondered if they were going to introduce actual alien Greys and the rumors were just people confusing the Derro for some other creatures.
In my games, I'll just have two strains of Derro; the standard subterranean Derro with wild white hair, and the Derro who routinely crew their saucercraft, who have spread to other planets in the star system (because I want to have the Greys actually be from other planets.)
I know what I'll do: I'll have the Greys be Derro who spread out to explore other planets for additional test subjects, after they reverse-engineered some scraps of starship drive components they stumbled upon in Numeria. After exploring the star system they set up a colony on Aucturn (finding the place to their liking, especially after discovering that the fungus they eat grows like wild on that twisted world.) The Aucturn Derro are bald, black-eyed, and have more of the stereotypical appearance of classic Greys because of radiation poisoning from their barely understood and poorly shielded saucercraft engines, and from some warping effects of the Dark Tapestry, as well as those of Aucturn itself..
And then that just leads into the link between the Derro and the Mi-Go that I have established in my campaign, seeming to me to be a natural fit; two groups that fly around in strange craft, abducting people to perform bizarre surgical experiments upon. That similarity, coupled with the Derro's reliance on strange mind-warping fungus as their primary food source, made me imagine there MUST be some strong connections between the two species. (I imagine that the Mi-Go are known on Golarion as The Fungi from Aucturn, rather than the Fungi from Yuggoth! ;p)
But enough of that, I don't want to derail the thread. I hadn't noticed the creatures from Inner Sea Bestiary that are similar to the Slender Man. I'll look for them. I had REALLY rather hoped that the Slender Man would be treated as a unique creature, and what with Bestiary 4's already established inclusion of several unique beings, combined with the statement of it including "monsters gathered from sources across the Internet" I had REALLY hoped that they would put the Slender Man in it.
Ah well, I can still hope for an official Slender Man! If not, I can still use Golden-Esque's truly EXCELLENT Tome of Slenderotica, which I just discovered yesterday on these very forums. If only I had known about it a few months ago when I started my campaign, I would have done a few things differently. I'll just have to alter a few things to incorporate it now. If anyone else ins interested in putting the Slender Man in their campaigns, check it out. Just search the forums for Tome of Slenderotica, and you'll find it (I actually found it through a Google search of Pathfinder stats for Slender Man.)
Now I'll stop derailing the thread.
Speaking over evil versions, I don't like creatures with the same name just having different alignments. They should be different.
Angels and Devils/Demons aren't the same for example.
Like the Shellycoat is a neutral Boogeyman but very different from the normal boogeyman as its more like a hermit/shell/beach/water boogeyman, there are actually many boogeyman in folklore, Kaw Kaw, Slenderman, Bauk, Bloody Bones and many others, so Boogeyman could be a group like Rakshasa and Kyton are, the first being renamed as the most common creature of the catogory and the others being the subtype boogeyman. I don't know any good alignment boogeyman tho, but then again good and gentle creatures aren't my thing.
I would LOVE an evil version of the unicorn and dryad, but Karkadann/Shadhavar and Batibat are just that, so no need to take another dryad and give her another alignment as there are creatures in myth/legend that are evil versions of them looking very different but still being around the same theme.
I still don't like it that Thinman is in the Inner Sea Bestiary... I really wanted that cool creature in the Bestiary 4 or in another bestiary but not in a Golarion specific one. Its also just CR 4, that is just too low for such a feared creature.
A CR 4 is scary since in horror movies 90% of the characters are the same as a 1st level commoner, expert, or if lucky a warrior. Also in real life people do not have character levels so a creature that had a CR 4 power level would be scary.
Thin Men IMHO seem a really bad representation of the Slender Man. Other than name they don't really look all that similar, nor do they have similar ecologies.
Contrary to popular belief Slenderman is a Modern Creation.
He is based on older legends like the Grandfather Autumn.
Yeah Slenderman was created from the SomethingAwful forums years ago.
oh I know Slenderman is of recent lineage. He still makes an awesome monster.
The only problem I would have with it being 100% the way it is now is its clothes, they are just too new-fashion for being together with pixies and minotaurs, a man in suit is just strange and I don't like that.
Give it oldfashion clothes and i'm happy to close it in my arms.
I like picturing him in the clothing of Grandfather Autumn. He wears a Dark Cloak with old ragged robes underneath.
Do you have a link for Grandfather Autumn....Because google search and Wikipedia have nothing, so I am curious where you are getting this information from connecting him to Slender Man.
I can't remember his true name. Grandfather Autumn is his nickname akin to how Baba Yaga is called Grandmother Winter.
But basically he is a Celtic Faerie who would steal children destined for exceptionally cruel fates and raise them. He is described as resembling a tree whom had lost its leaves in Autumn.