Ultimate Equipment Preview: Never Laugh at Live Dragons!

Tuesday, August 7, 2012

The only sound that echoed through the vast cavern was the crunch of their boots on the frost-covered stone. Up ahead, nestled between drifts of snow and covered in a glaze of shimmering ice, was the treasure that the pair had heard so much about. Not two weeks ago, while talking to a drunken sod who had lost four fingers to the cold, Valeros had learned about the treasure of the white wyrm. Now both he and Merisiel were here, ready to plunder the vast fortune.

"I told you the beast was probably dead," Merisiel said, scanning the cavern. "No one has heard from it in years. Even that old fool said as much."

"Maybe it flew south for the winter," Valeros replied with a snort as he retrieved the sacks from his pack. After taking just one step forward, the grin slid from his face as a blast of freezing cold erupted from the shadows at the back of the cavern. The blast brought the warrior to his knees, ice coating his hands, arms, and face.

Merisiel wisely leaped behind a gigantic icy stalagmite to avoid the frosty breath of the ancient white dragon that emerged from the shadows...

We are under 2 weeks away from the release of Ultimate Equipment. This week's preview takes a look at the treasure horde of a CR 15 ancient white dragon—not that poor Valeros and Merisiel are destined to get their hands on it.

Dragons are known for their vast treasure hoards, and thus have access to the mighty treasure types H and I. Since they also have triple the normal amount of treasure, we have a total of 87,000 gp worth of loot to distribute. Let's start with something big and spend 75,000 gp on a big roll on treasure type I and then let's fill it out with some lesser loot from treasure type C.

Treasure Type I: Treasure Hoard
75,000 gp Reward (total value 69,120 gp)
50,000 cp, 6,000 sp, 400 gp, 70 pp, avalanche shield, ring of energy shroud (cold), staff of tricks, wand of sleet storm, flawless star sapphire (worth 7,000 gp), platinum scepter with gold inlay (worth 1,200 gp)

Treasure Type C: Art Objects
10,000 gp Reward plus a 2,000 gp Reward (total value 11,900 gp)
unmelting ice shard (worth 10,000 gp), platinum censer with ornate markings (worth 800 gp), decorated platinum plate (worth 1,100 gp)

I am not even sure they would be able to carry that many coins out of the lair, since they weigh more than 1,100 pounds, but I am sure they would try. The treasure for this hoard could have taken a number of different paths, focusing instead on a mountain of lesser items, such as (undoubtedly frozen) potions, wands, and scrolls, as you might typically find on the table for treasure type I, but since this is a dragon hoard, I thought it would be best to stick with a mountain of coins, with a variety of valuable objects sticking out of the heap.

That brings to a close this week's treasure roll. Next week, in our final preview, it will be time for our heroes to travel to the depths of hell for their most fearsome challenge yet!

Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer

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Scarab Sages

Okay, I'm kind of interested in what an "unmelting ice shard" is, and its functionality. I suppose it could be placed in an insulated carrier to keep food from spoiling while traveling. Any other functionality beyond that?


Just some minor things this time. I am not including entries with comma use errors. They did not appear to break the understanding of item properties.

Ring of Inner Fortitude: The first paragraph has ring of minor fortitude, shouldn't it be ring of minor inner fortitude?
A minor issue (perhaps personal): Wearing a ring of inner fortitude ring does not make the... The use of ring twice seems redundant.

Avalanche Shield: When used to make a shield bash attack, stones fall from the shield and cling to the target of the shield bash.

Caster's Shield: Both instances of caster's shield are not italicized.

After 4 previews, which each had some minor errors in them, I am hopeful that you just picked the wrong pages and it is not an indication of a larger editing issue.


Staff of the Master. That is pretty nice for wizards in a pinch.

And avalanche shield just made me want to play a shield basher :D

Lantern Lodge

Tarrintino wrote:
Okay, I'm kind of interested in what an "unmelting ice shard" is, and its functionality. I suppose it could be placed in an insulated carrier to keep food from spoiling while traveling. Any other functionality beyond that?

I have NO clue if this is the case or not, but my first thought was for characters who aren't magical who want an item that could do cold damage.

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Sara Marie wrote:
Tarrintino wrote:
Okay, I'm kind of interested in what an "unmelting ice shard" is, and its functionality. I suppose it could be placed in an insulated carrier to keep food from spoiling while traveling. Any other functionality beyond that?
I have NO clue if this is the case or not, but my first thought was for characters who aren't magical who want a weapon that could do cold damage.

Or it would be a great component for crafting magical items.

Dark Archive

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Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

I read Valeros and Merisiel going off on their own and I think a fantasy version of the movie Dumb and Dumber.


Dark_Mistress wrote:
I read Valeros and Merisiel going off on their own and I think a fantasy version of the movie Dumb and Dumber.

I kinda have to agree.

Contributor

Tarrintino wrote:
Okay, I'm kind of interested in what an "unmelting ice shard" is, and its functionality.

It's just a weird, exotic piece of valuable art, like a "time jewel," a "mithral tribar," or "crystallized god breath."


I love dragon treasure hoards.

Dark Archive

Love the typography and style of Ultimate Equip. Props to your designers. Can't wait to get my Sczarni fingers on this.

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Adventure, Adventure Path, Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber
Cheapy wrote:

Staff of the Master. That is pretty nice for wizards in a pinch.

And avalanche shield just made me want to play a shield basher :D

By the time you can afford a 19K shield, a dc 14 save is a joke.


Reckless wrote:
Cheapy wrote:

Staff of the Master. That is pretty nice for wizards in a pinch.

And avalanche shield just made me want to play a shield basher :D

By the time you can afford a 19K shield, a dc 14 save is a joke.

Doesn't Matter; Had fun!

(plus, I think there's still an OK shot of it against low reflex enemies. 30-40% chance is OK at the level you get it.)

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder PF Special Edition, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Merisiel wisely leaped behind a gigantic icy stalagmite to avoid the frosty breath of the ancient white dragon that emerged from the shadows...

Did she then cry out... "The Ice Stone has melted!" ?

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Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

It is most likely for the best if they don't get unmelting ice shard. I imagine with in five minutes both of their tongues would be stuck to it.


One thing that puzzles me is the chart listing the staves does not seem to be in any particular order; neither alphabetically nor by price.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder PF Special Edition, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

I like the fact that there are minor staves in there like the staff of minor arcana.

But is it plausible that first level clerics are commonly venturing out in the world with a Staff of Blessed Relief?

This simple wooden staff is given to young clergy when they
first set out into the world to spread the charity of their faith.


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May I ask the way for the nearest Wizard shop that sells lemon and strawberry unmelting ice shards?

Liberty's Edge

Sean K Reynolds wrote:
Tarrintino wrote:
Okay, I'm kind of interested in what an "unmelting ice shard" is, and its functionality.
It's just a weird, exotic piece of valuable art, like a "time jewel," a "mithral tribar," or "crystallized god breath."

That's what I was hoping! Nifty.


Saint Bernard wrote:
One thing that puzzles me is the chart listing the staves does not seem to be in any particular order; neither alphabetically nor by price.

They are alphabetical. Notice the first several are Staff of the...


Lil B wrote:
Saint Bernard wrote:
One thing that puzzles me is the chart listing the staves does not seem to be in any particular order; neither alphabetically nor by price.
They are alphabetical. Notice the first several are Staff of the...

Grr! Too many years ignoring the "the" when alphabetizing. Thanks.

Silver Crusade

Sean K Reynolds wrote:
Tarrintino wrote:
Okay, I'm kind of interested in what an "unmelting ice shard" is, and its functionality.
It's just a weird, exotic piece of valuable art, like a "time jewel," a "mithral tribar," or "crystallized god breath."

That last one is actually a drug.

What? You've never heard of crystal breath?


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I was hoping the ring of force shield would get its price cut; it seems way overpriced at 8500 go. I think I house-ruled it to 4500 (bonus^2 * 1000 gp + 500).

The ring of forcefangs seems sweet, if maybe kind of cheap - nigh-immunity to all force spells for 8000 gp?

I think I'm going to love those treasure tables.

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Minor typos aside, I love the new content, but not this new format. It's hard on the eyes, and as I've said before, it's way too "blocky" for me -- plus 'construction requirements' looks detached from the rest of the stat block. I honestly wish this does not become the standard format in PF books.


The animated property is back for shields - see the belligerent shield in the first image. Animated tower shields for casters return... Just what the game needed. Expensive mind you - a +1 +1(bashing) + X (animated) shield for 36000? That suggests that animated is a +4 property. Alternatively, they may have priced that particular shield as much more expensive - as it is effectively a dancing weapon (+4)...


Cheapy wrote:

Staff of the Master. That is pretty nice for wizards in a pinch.

And avalanche shield just made me want to play a shield basher :D

Staff of the Master is Gawdawfully cheap for the effect. Break it down

+1/+1 weapon = 4000
Plus
8 (CL) * 3 (Vampiric Touch)*400*1/2 (using 2 charges) * 2
8* 2(spectral Hand)*300*2
8* 1(Ray of Enfeeblement)*200*2
Plus
X - blow charges for metamagic

= 30000

X = 3600 gp...

Thats potentially one hell of a cheap and versatile metamagic booster... a lot of mages have Quicken. Two quicken's an adventure on their highest level spell slots... Never mind someone building staves with more limited powers and a similar effect.


Saint Bernard wrote:
Lil B wrote:
Saint Bernard wrote:
One thing that puzzles me is the chart listing the staves does not seem to be in any particular order; neither alphabetically nor by price.
They are alphabetical. Notice the first several are Staff of the...
Grr! Too many years ignoring the "the" when alphabetizing. Thanks.

I totally understand. It took me a minute to figure it out.


You know, I was looking at the pictures, and something's been nagging be about them, something familiar, and I think I finally figured out what it was. Almost certainly accidentally, they feel very similar to entries from ancient NES RPG strategy guides, like the one for Dragon Warrior back when Nintendo Power did one. Or maybe it's just the art.

Either way, that just makes me smile.


I agree. Reminds me of those Prima guides or nintendo power guides. I actually probably still have the one for Dragon Warrior Monsters 8.

I like that nostalgia feel.


The layout is not my taste but aside from that the content looks pretty interesting.

Is it self contained (aside from core rulebook items) or will I get a bunch of UM/UC/APG stuff in the tables as well? I don't have any desire to use those books so I don't want to bother with a bunch of content I'll have to ignore and re-roll when it comes up.

Liberty's Edge

Asgetrion wrote:
Minor typos aside, I love the new content, but not this new format. It's hard on the eyes, and as I've said before, it's way too "blocky" for me -- plus 'construction requirements' looks detached from the rest of the stat block. I honestly wish this does not become the standard format in PF books.

I have to say I'm not liking the layout either.

It's quite a departure from other Paizo produced books and, in my opinion at least, a step in the wrong direction. The layout looks like a bunch of stat cards on a page instead of entries in a book. In fact, the layout looks a little like something you might see in a 4E book, which does not fill me with warm fuzzies ...

Silver Crusade

Odraude wrote:

I agree. Reminds me of those Prima guides or nintendo power guides. I actually probably still have the one for Dragon Warrior Monsters 8.

I like that nostalgia feel.

If its the same person as layed out the excellent Beginner's Box, she came from Nintendo I believe. Sarah E Robinson, unless I'm mistaken. Awesome work.

Shadow Lodge

I'm looking through the PDF of Ultimate Equipment and there doesn't seem to be a mention of the Dwarven Maulaxe ... Is this a mistake or has this weapon been removed?


cibet44 wrote:
Is it self contained (aside from core rulebook items) or will I get a bunch of UM/UC/APG stuff in the tables as well? I don't have any desire to use those books so I don't want to bother with a bunch of content I'll have to ignore and re-roll when it comes up.

It collects and updates material from the last 5 years of Paizo products. The Staff of the Master previewed today, for example, is from a 3.5 module (Conquest of Bloodsworn Vale), and I don't believe I have seen it anywhere else.

Regardless, yes, it has items and material from UC, UM, and many other sources.


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Eildath wrote:

You know, I was looking at the pictures, and something's been nagging be about them, something familiar, and I think I finally figured out what it was. Almost certainly accidentally, they feel very similar to entries from ancient NES RPG strategy guides, like the one for Dragon Warrior back when Nintendo Power did one. Or maybe it's just the art.

Either way, that just makes me smile.

The layout may not be for everyone but believe me seeing one page on the screen does not give you the full effect of what this layout does. When you have the book in your hand and are flipping through it you will be able to find items a lot quicker and find exactly what each item does without scanning through walls of text.

...and yes I did that layout of Dragon Warrior for Nintendo Power.


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Sarah Robinson wrote:
Eildath wrote:

You know, I was looking at the pictures, and something's been nagging be about them, something familiar, and I think I finally figured out what it was. Almost certainly accidentally, they feel very similar to entries from ancient NES RPG strategy guides, like the one for Dragon Warrior back when Nintendo Power did one. Or maybe it's just the art.

Either way, that just makes me smile.

The layout may not be for everyone but believe me seeing one page on the screen does not give you the full effect of what this layout does. When you have the book in your hand and are flipping through it you will be able to find items a lot quicker and find exactly what each item does without scanning through walls of text.

...and yes I did that layout of Dragon Warrior for Nintendo Power.

I want you to know that you helped me beat that game when I was a wee lad! God that game was amazing!

Paizo Employee Chief Creative Officer, Publisher

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Sarah Robinson wrote:

...and yes I did that layout of Dragon Warrior for Nintendo Power.

Rad.

Sczarni

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Man, I wanna get that ring of forcefangs and start shooting myself with my own magic missiles!


Urath DM wrote:
cibet44 wrote:
Is it self contained (aside from core rulebook items) or will I get a bunch of UM/UC/APG stuff in the tables as well? I don't have any desire to use those books so I don't want to bother with a bunch of content I'll have to ignore and re-roll when it comes up.

It collects and updates material from the last 5 years of Paizo products. The Staff of the Master previewed today, for example, is from a 3.5 module (Conquest of Bloodsworn Vale), and I don't believe I have seen it anywhere else.

Regardless, yes, it has items and material from UC, UM, and many other sources.

Will it give the stats for the UC and UM items in the book or will it say "see UM pg. 41".


Just looking at the preview images, I can't say that I'm a "fan" (I don't DIS-like it) of the new layout, but I can certainly understand WHY it was done and how it helps. As a type of catalogue/reference book, Ultimate Equipment is something that one would want to be able to scan over and identify material quickly. It does not benefit from the aesthetic that other Pathfinder hardcovers do because of that. I don't know how much credibility an individual would lend to -- what's it called... typography? -- but there is something to it, and lots of money is spent on it.

I don't think of this as a "direction" that Paizo is taking so much as I see as them attempting to make the text more efficient.

Functional might be the word.

Liberty's Edge

Foghammer wrote:

Just looking at the preview images, I can't say that I'm a "fan" (I don't DIS-like it) of the new layout, but I can certainly understand WHY it was done and how it helps. As a type of catalogue/reference book, Ultimate Equipment is something that one would want to be able to scan over and identify material quickly. It does not benefit from the aesthetic that other Pathfinder hardcovers do because of that. I don't know how much credibility an individual would lend to -- what's it called... typography? -- but there is something to it, and lots of money is spent on it.

I don't think of this as a "direction" that Paizo is taking so much as I see as them attempting to make the text more efficient.

Functional might be the word.

I have to agree. I really hope this style of layout is a one time thing and not a sign of a new layout direction the books will be going in.

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cibet44 wrote:
Will it give the stats for the UC and UM items in the book or will it say "see UM pg. 41".

It gives the complete text of the item; it does not refer you to the other book for an item's description.


I agree with Foghammer, and would go further to say that this layout works WELL in this specific book. When it's a book filled with items and is known to be a book filled with items, the layout works well to present the items.

HOWEVER, if it was any other type of book, I would agree that this layout would start to throw me off.

In short, well-done on the layout, and I recommend keeping it for Ultimate Equipment 2, but not for other books.


Sean K Reynolds wrote:
cibet44 wrote:
Will it give the stats for the UC and UM items in the book or will it say "see UM pg. 41".
It gives the complete text of the item; it does not refer you to the other book for an item's description.

Perfect. Sold.

Silver Crusade

Did anyone else notice that the staff of toxins from APG http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/staves/staff-of-toxins more than doubled in price?

I guess the discussion about staff pricing is over.


Sebastian Hirsch wrote:

Did anyone else notice that the staff of toxins from APG http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/staves/staff-of-toxins more than doubled in price?

I guess the discussion about staff pricing is over.

Yep, the devs mentioned a while ago that the APG staves had their cost as their price, so they were doubled to make it right.


Can anyone tell me if the layout is the same as the magic item appendix in RotRL? I'm blind and the snapshots of the UE are not OCR compatible with my software like the PDF's. I hope not, because that format was annoying to say the least. I'm not the target audience so it's understandable though. Keep up the good work Paizo, it's appreciated.

Silver Crusade

Cheapy wrote:
Sebastian Hirsch wrote:

Did anyone else notice that the staff of toxins from APG http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/staves/staff-of-toxins more than doubled in price?

I guess the discussion about staff pricing is over.

Yep, the devs mentioned a while ago that the APG staves had their cost as their price, so they were doubled to make it right.

Oh well, I am a bit to lazy right now, but I think it´s a bit more than double. Can´t wait for my pdf ^^


Valantrix1 wrote:
Can anyone tell me if the layout is the same as the magic item appendix in RotRL? I'm blind and the snapshots of the UE are not OCR compatible with my software like the PDF's. I hope not, because that format was annoying to say the least. I'm not the target audience so it's understandable though. Keep up the good work Paizo, it's appreciated.

Yes. This book uses the same style of item statblocks as the Rise of the Runelords Anniversary Edition.

Silver Crusade

Sarah Robinson wrote:


...and yes I did that layout of Dragon Warrior for Nintendo Power.

...!

realizes why so much of the Pathfinder item art's style seemed so familiar

Holy crap! It's all connected!


Urath DM wrote:
Valantrix1 wrote:
Can anyone tell me if the layout is the same as the magic item appendix in RotRL? I'm blind and the snapshots of the UE are not OCR compatible with my software like the PDF's. I hope not, because that format was annoying to say the least. I'm not the target audience so it's understandable though. Keep up the good work Paizo, it's appreciated.
Yes. This book uses the same style of item statblocks as the Rise of the Runelords Anniversary Edition.

Thanks! It's greatly appreciated.

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