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Hhm spotted a few errors in the Pawn images gor the beginners box above.
Don't get me wrong I love the reuse of Paizo owned (and very smexy) art.But...
>Thats a Tenebrus worm not a Giant Centipede
>Thats a Dream Spider not a Giant spider (tho it could be a giant dream spider)
>Thats a Salt Wight from AP#38 not a zombie
>Thats a Dire Wolf, not a regular Wolf
>And the Generic Orc depicts the Half-Orc Rage Prophet iconic from the APG.
Hoping thats a draft...
Im hoping your not seriously giving Paizo crap about using their art in a way that they think is appropriate. Sheesh.
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>Thats a Dire Wolf, not a regular Wolf
That's actually Hollow's Last Hope spoiler
Inaccurate pedantry, tut tut.
And you missed out that the goblin boss is actually a Sewer Goblin, shocking lapse of standards, call yourself a pedant. In my day we'd have thrown you out of the guild of pedants for that kind of shoddiness!
I imagine that the art selection for this went something like:
"Find the coolest orc, the coolest wolf, the coolest, spider... but they have to be clear, look good in portrait and not be too detailed for a pawn."
The images in monster art are representative, not definitive.
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We're about a year away from the release date for Ultimate Combat, which is another way of saying the book itself isn't even outlined yet. As a result, it's WAY too early for us to start revealing details on the book. Have patience, folks!
(In the meantime, post to let us know what YOU might want to see in such a book!)
Ok, what I really want to see in the Ultimate Equipment book is a new set of Item Creation rules. Everyone knows the current system doesn't work and is routinely hand-waved away.
An equipment book is the perfect opportunity to fix this hole in the game and it's far enough away that you have the time to devote to fixing it.
Any chance the catfolk will get a "proper" name in the ARG?
(I wouldn't be opposed to rakasta, myself. ;))
Chief Creative Officer, Publisher
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Hhm spotted a few errors in the Pawn images gor the beginners box above.
Don't get me wrong I love the reuse of Paizo owned (and very smexy) art.But...
>Thats a Tenebrus worm not a Giant Centipede
>Thats a Dream Spider not a Giant spider (tho it could be a giant dream spider)
>Thats a Salt Wight from AP#38 not a zombie
>Thats a Dire Wolf, not a regular Wolf
>And the Generic Orc depicts the Half-Orc Rage Prophet iconic from the APG.
Hoping thats a draft...
Yeah, we shifted around some art here and there to make for the best images we could find for the Beginner Box. We figured that the intended audience--newbies--wouldn't mind that we called the wolf something different in Hollow's Last Hope. ;)
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Hhm spotted a few errors in the Pawn images gor the beginners box above.
Don't get me wrong I love the reuse of Paizo owned (and very smexy) art.But...
>Thats a Tenebrus worm not a Giant Centipede
>Thats a Dream Spider not a Giant spider (tho it could be a giant dream spider)
>Thats a Salt Wight from AP#38 not a zombie
>Thats a Dire Wolf, not a regular Wolf
>And the Generic Orc depicts the Half-Orc Rage Prophet iconic from the APG.
Hoping thats a draft...
Yeah, we shifted around some art here and there to make for the best images we could find for the Beginner Box. We figured that the intended audience--newbies--wouldn't mind that we called the wolf something different in Hollow's Last Hope. ;)
That is indeed trivial, but in my opinion the original art pieces for giant centipede, skeleton, orc and zombie look better; and not only that, but I'm not sure if these images are ideal choices to represent these monsters (e.g. "in this game zombies wear miner helmets and spades? Okaay..."). I just prefer more generic images. In addition, those monsters look a bit unclear when scaled down to "pawn-size" (I can just barely make out what the skeleton's head is), but this may be just due to the image's low resolution (PPI).
Anyway, that's my humble opinion, nothing more. :)
Oh yea!
+ a lot.
You could expand the Spes Magna "Making Craft Work" PDF as a start.
-- david
Papa.DRB
Ok, what I really want to see in the Ultimate Equipment book is a new set of Item Creation rules. Everyone knows the current system doesn't work and is routinely hand-waved away.
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So Ultimate Equipment doesn't contain new magic and mundane items? Just reprints, rule updates and tables?There will be plenty of new nonmagical and magical equipment in the book. It's not "half the stuff you've seen before, half random magic item tables." Because that would suck.
Would it? If it collected every item from the PFS modules, public modules, APs, Companions, Settings books and everything else outside of Core, APG and *ahem* Armory, then I think I'd buy it.
I object when a book reprints discrete items that I could have gone out and gotten (if, for example, the Inner Sea book had just re-published the writeups for nations that had appeared in the APs). But when you're talking about such small bits of material, sprinkled liberally through dozens of books... then there's a lot of value in collecting them together. I'd say the same goes for NPCs. I'd love to see a collection like the one that appears in JR#1, but for all of the AP books, modules and PFS modules.
Any chance the catfolk will get a "proper" name in the ARG?
(I wouldn't be opposed to rakasta, myself. ;))
Ailuroi (singular: ailuros), perhaps?
Ailuroi (singular: ailuros), perhaps?Any chance the catfolk will get a "proper" name in the ARG?
(I wouldn't be opposed to rakasta, myself. ;))
Jellicles. :3
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Can you please call it the Pathfinder Treasury instead?
"Ultimate" titles never sat well with me because of the Marvel comics thing. "Treasury" is concise, descriptive, and antiquarian.
"Treasury" would look right next to "Bestiary". And, since this is not a book of character options, the "Ultimate" prefix is actually sort of misleading.
Jellicles. :3
Perform would have to automatically be treated as a class skill for them. After all, Jellicles know how to dance a gavotte and a jig.
Can you please call it the Pathfinder Treasury instead?
I like the name. Has a good ring to it. Nicely done Mr. Lincoln :)
Nicely done months ago, even. :)
Hmmm. Tells you something about my memory given I vaguely recall that thread when I looked :)
Can you please call it the Pathfinder Treasury instead?
"Ultimate" titles never sat well with me because of the Marvel comics thing. "Treasury" is concise, descriptive, and antiquarian.
"Treasury" would look right next to "Bestiary". And, since this is not a book of character options, the "Ultimate" prefix is actually sort of misleading.
Actually, Erik Mona has indicated why he wants to call it Ultimate. He said that this will be ‘the’ book on equipment and doesn’t want there to be an Equipment book 2, 3, 4, etc. And the same reason on the books for combat and magic.
And there is no better way to say that this book will be the only one than to call it ‘Ultimate’.
And there is no better way to say that this book will be the only one than to call it ‘Ultimate’.
Bah, we live in a world of prequels. In 2013 they can issue Penultimate Magic, then in 2014 Antepenultimate Magic, then in 2015 Preantepenulatimate Magic, then in 2016 Forepreantepenultimate Magic.
And there is no better way to say that this book will be the only one than to call it ‘Ultimate’.Bah, we live in a world of prequels. In 2013 they can issue Penultimate Magic, then in 2014 Antepenultimate Magic, then in 2015 Preantepenulatimate Magic, then in 2016 Forepreantepenultimate Magic.
They could, yes. But from what Erik was saying, they have no plans to put out more dedicated ‘Magic’, ‘Combat’ or ‘Equipment’ books. He only wants one book for each.
Actually, Erik Mona has indicated why he wants to call it Ultimate. He said that this will be ‘the’ book on equipment and doesn’t want there to be an Equipment book 2, 3, 4, etc. And the same reason on the books for combat and magic.
And there is no better way to say that this book will be the only one than to call it ‘Ultimate’.
Ah, well. I still prefer Treasury, but to the publisher go the spoils. I do think it will be the odd-duck of the Ultimate line, being equipment rather than character options.
Render unto Mona that which is Mona's.
Ailuroi (singular: ailuros), perhaps?Any chance the catfolk will get a "proper" name in the ARG?
(I wouldn't be opposed to rakasta, myself. ;))
Heheheh oh lordy.
Do we really need funky names for everything, especially something as straightforward as catfolk?
Please. Stick with catfolk. Let the linguists out there change it to something different for their campaign, but don't saddle us with ailuroi or kooshka or felinis or whatever.
Like 3% of the people will know what they are (and I'm assuming half of the names suggested are in jokes or references to anime or something), and the other 97% will probably just go "huh?"
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What are Tibits?Catweres. That is, sapient cats that can polymorph themselves into vaguely feline-looking halfling-sized humanoids.
** spoiler omitted **
Like Isis in "Assignment: Earth"?
"That, Miss Jones... is my cat." Gary Seven.
But shorter, and not as playmate.
Think the reimaged Willey Kit/Kat from Thundercats.
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What are Tibits?Catweres. That is, sapient cats that can polymorph themselves into vaguely feline-looking halfling-sized humanoids.
** spoiler omitted **
Like Isis in "Assignment: Earth"?
"That, Miss Jones... is my cat." Gary Seven.
But shorter, and not as playmate.
Think the reimaged Willey Kit/Kat from Thundercats.
I prefer the Star Trek version from "Assignment: Earth" as well, but hey, to each their own...
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Do we really need funky names for everything, especially something as straightforward as catfolk?
IMO it would be really weird for them to call themselves "catfolk" (humans, as a general rule, aren't referred to as "menfolk" outside of Alabama).
Do we really need funky names for everything, especially something as straightforward as catfolk?IMO it would be really weird for them to call themselves "catfolk" (humans, as a general rule, aren't referred to as "menfolk" outside of Alabama).
'Catfolk' is likely the name for their race in the Common tongue. I've always assumed that Common = players' native language.
I hope catfolk look like the new thundercats but all of them have tails instead of the Tabaxi or lycanthropic cats.
I hope the ultimate equipment will have some gadgeteer archetypes (or perhaps prestige class, so everyone can take it).
Even tough I love Ultimate combat and every book so far, ultimate equipment sounds pretty lame. In every book was more than enough equipment and I don't really need 30 weapons with names out of africa, 20 from old england another 15 from russia.
I'm not mad about the asian weapons, but in my opinion it wasn't necessary.
I just hope that the quality of the book is closer to the books so far, than to what I imagine when I read the title. My first tought was "mh, so if this is their next book, this edition will soon run out (of ideas)". But I'm happy to be proved wrong when the next product titles will be announced.
There is nothing lame about new magic items, special materials, alchemical items and uses for special or mundane items.
no, it itself it's not lame, I would love to create a rogue that can spend all his money on mundane items.
But a whole book only about equipment doesn't sound very interesting. As there is no official article about the book, it may be that the book offers much more, but if it really only a bunch of weapons, armor and magic items, I believe it will be the first hardcover book that I won't buy.
'Catfolk' is likely the name for their race in the Common tongue. I've always assumed that Common = players' native language.
Which isn't even English, so while catfolk may call themselves 'Mrrowerarr" in their racial language and people speaking Taldan call them "catfolk," I doubt the Taldan word for "catfolk" is "catfolk" any more than the Spanish word for "cat" is "cat."
'Catfolk' is likely the name for their race in the Common tongue. I've always assumed that Common = players' native language.Which isn't even English, so while catfolk may call themselves 'Mrrowerarr" in their racial language and people speaking Taldan call them "catfolk," I doubt the Taldan word for "catfolk" is "catfolk" any more than the Spanish word for "cat" is "cat."
just as Grippli are not called frog people.
And merfolk are not called merfolk and lizardfolk are not called lizardfolk. :)
And merfolk are not called merfolk and lizardfolk are not called lizardfolk. :)
And freelancers are called OBEY.
Seems to be a perfect match for the PUNISH!
I say we call 'em catfolk! ;)
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just as Grippli are not called frog people.
Of course when players have a hard time remembering what weird fantasy name they called their own characters, let alone NPCs, then yes, the noble grippli are, at best, called 'frog people' (or more likely 'Kermits' or something...). In my experience anyway... ;)
...Then yes, the noble grippli are, at best, called 'frog people' (or more likely 'Kermits' or something...). In my experience anyway... ;)
Okay, you score an actual laugh out loud, where I really did start laughin' away my desk, drawing the stares of passersby. Well done!
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Which isn't even English, so while catfolk may call themselves 'Mrrowerarr" in their racial language and people speaking Taldan call them "catfolk," I doubt the Taldan word for "catfolk" is "catfolk" any more than the Spanish word for "cat" is "cat."
Actually, as a consequence of a really bizarre interaction of the Higgs boson, the current common language of all Material Plane semi-European cultures is, in fact, modern English. Earth, Golarion, Toril, Krynn, Oerth, Aebrynis, Scarn, it's all the same language.
By chance will ultimate equipment finally have a maul in it?
Like 3% of the people will know what they are (and I'm assuming half of the names suggested are in jokes or references to anime or something), and the other 97% will probably just go "huh?"
Mine was pretty straightforward—adapted from a Greek word that means "cat." And "felini" is along the same lines, only Latin.
Mind you, I don't have anything against just calling them catfolk. They've probably long since decided that it's less offensive than the way humans usually can't put enough of a purr into the name they call themselves. (Which totally changes the meaning of the word—and to something nonsensical and silly, no less—you know...)
I simply don't see how it'd be any different from calling hyena-people gnolls, or calling frog-people gripplis or boggards (as others have pointed out).
I hope catfolk look like the new thundercats but all of them have tails instead of the Tabaxi or lycanthropic cats.
I'd prefer them to be digitigrade, but nothing against them being more human-looking.
