Dave Gross Contributor |
ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!
You tell me that if I want to read more I can wait for PRINCE OF WOLVES-
but don't you see -?
I want to read more RIGHT NOW.In all seriousness:
Great work!
Man, you have offered such enthusiastic responses that I'd send you my last ARC, if I still had one. Thanks for the awesome support. Will you be at Gen Con?
Liane Merciel Contributor |
Neil Spicer Contributor, RPG Superstar 2009, RPG Superstar Judgernaut |
Ross Byers RPG Superstar 2008 Top 32 |
Marcus Ewert |
Marcus Ewert wrote:Man, you have offered such enthusiastic responses that I'd send you my last ARC, if I still had one. Thanks for the awesome support. Will you be at Gen Con?ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!
You tell me that if I want to read more I can wait for PRINCE OF WOLVES-
but don't you see -?
I want to read more RIGHT NOW.In all seriousness:
Great work!
Dave, enthusiasm is easy to offer up when the work in question PRODUCES such enthusiasm.
I feel dumb for asking, but what's an ARC?
I won't be at GenCon- but I have a feeling I'll be on the boards a lot here. Gonna go Google you now, see what other goodies I can find...
EDIT: Wait- an ARC is a Author's [Something] Copy, right? I guess we have those in children's picture-book author land too, but I bet they're called something different...
James Sutter Contributor |
I feel dumb for asking, but what's an ARC?
Advance Reader Copy. They're generally lower-quality, print-on-demand versions (sometimes without covers) that contain the book in more or less its final form, but without a lot of the bells and whistles. They get sent out to key reviewers ahead of time so that the reviews can coincide with the book's release.
Paul Ryan |
Paul Ryan wrote:On the technical side for the web staff, I get a permissions error if the picture of the flowers is clicked on.That's not supposed to happen. Should be better now.
Thanks for the fix. I like the added detail of the art even if the basic files are too big to fit well with the fiction.
Matthew Morris RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8 |
Interesting. Two things got my attention.
Had me laughing out loud. (stats in Adventuerers Armoury II please?)
I'd be interested in seeing how his 'servants' feel, all things considered.
Neil Spicer Contributor, RPG Superstar 2009, RPG Superstar Judgernaut |
I'd be interested in seeing how his 'servants' feel, all things considered.
I think you get a feel for that in how much loyalty Radovan consistently demonstrates toward Jeggare. Even the halfling foot-servants with the buggy that delivered Jeggare to the opera were prepared to play their part in helping Radovan safeguard the "boss."
Dave Gross Contributor |
Matthew Morris wrote:I'd be interested in seeing how his 'servants' feel, all things considered.I think you get a feel for that in how much loyalty Radovan consistently demonstrates toward Jeggare. Even the halfling foot-servants with the buggy that delivered Jeggare to the opera were prepared to play their part in helping Radovan safeguard the "boss."
You both raise good questions, and I hope you find the answers in Prince of Wolves sufficiently complicated.
As for Zeugma's question, it is not addressed in the novel, but it gives me an idea for something Hugo suggested for Wayfinder at PaizoCon.
Matthew Morris RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8 |
NSpicer wrote:Matthew Morris wrote:I'd be interested in seeing how his 'servants' feel, all things considered.I think you get a feel for that in how much loyalty Radovan consistently demonstrates toward Jeggare. Even the halfling foot-servants with the buggy that delivered Jeggare to the opera were prepared to play their part in helping Radovan safeguard the "boss."You both raise good questions, and I hope you find the answers in Prince of Wolves sufficiently complicated.
As for Zeugma's question, it is not addressed in the novel, but it gives me an idea for something Hugo suggested for Wayfinder at PaizoCon.
Thank you Dave,
I may have been reading too much into the phrase "elevating a hellspawn street thug as my bodyguard". I read it as "Some of my best friends are Tieflings," self justification.
I look forward to the novel.
Dave Gross Contributor |
I may have been reading too much into the phrase "elevating a hellspawn street thug as my bodyguard". I read it as "Some of my best friends are Tieflings," self justification.
I don't think you're reading too much into it. One of the key themes of Cheliax is bigotry, even in or perhaps especially in those who think they're above it. I doubt Varian or Radovan will ever escape those feelings entirely, although one or both certainly might become more aware of them over time.
Zeugma |
If my question inspired you to write more about these characters and their adversaries, I'm very pleased!
Also, I did pick up on how Varian was trying to justify himself in the face of his social exclusion. I think his ruminations help expand his character from what we saw in the Council of Thieves books, which wasn't very much of him, and at the same time give a nice "info dump" on his situation (for the new readers and the readers not entirely clear on the situation in Cheliax).
All in all, I don't think Varian Jeggare is a guy I'd like if I met him, but he would be a guy I'd listen to if I met him. :)
Dave Gross Contributor |
All in all, I don't think Varian Jeggare is a guy I'd like if I met him, but he would be a guy I'd listen to if I met him. :)
I eventually left Varian out of "Hell's Pawns" because the chapters were relatively short, and I found Radovan's voice first and didn't want to divide the noir tone.
Since Prince of Wolves shows both of their POVs, I figured it was time to show Count Jeggare's voice, even if we meet him at his worst. I hope those who find him unlikeable (and I can't blame anyone for that--he is a mean drunk) will be interested enough to follow him into the mystery that lures him out of his depression and into much greater dangers.
Charles Evans 25 |
...that lures him out of his depression...
(edited)
Ah-ha. I had been wondering as to if his depicted 'current' state of mind of the web fiction was his default, and this explains it. Is it the social ostracisation by his peers which has been causing it? (Although unless aforementioned ostracisation is punishment being co-ordinated by the Church of Asmodeus, I'm not sure quite why it's apparently so universal amongst his peers? Surely there weren't that many families tainted by the devil in question of the Pathfinder #25-#30 fiction run?)Dave Gross Contributor |
Ah-ha. I had been wondering as to if his depicted 'current' state of mind of the web fiction was his default, and this explains it. Is it the social ostracisation by his peers which has been causing it?
I prefer to leave intentional lacunae unanswered, since stories often work best when the reader fills in those blanks, regardless of whether it's with the same answer I'd provide.
That said, keep in mind that Count Varian Jeggare is the fatherless, half-elven heir to a vast fortune, and that he's spent decades unearthing the dirty secrets of his peers. No matter how charming he might be when he's sober, he's a dangerous guy to have around.
The_Minstrel_Wyrm |
Mr. Gross allow me to echo the words of praise and interests-piqued by my fellow Paizoians.
I had planned to subscribe to the fiction line all along... but these samplings from you have really cemented that plan.
And I am really curious to see what you might have put into Wayfinder # 3
(am I understanding that correctly, or is it something for Wayfinder # 4?)
Anyway... a most excellent 4 part story. Really looking forward to more.
Dean; The_Minstrel_Wyrm
Dave Gross Contributor |
Mr. Gross allow me to echo the words of praise and interests-piqued by my fellow Paizoians.
Dean; The_Minstrel_Wyrm
Thank you for the kind words. Now, never call me "Mr. Gross" again. You can call me "Dave" or "Master and Commander" or, while in the hearing of your partner, "Cuddles."
But definitely thanks. I hope you enjoy the book. Just over a month away, and I'm on tenterhooks to see the final physical incarnation.
Dave Gross Contributor |
Now I'd almost bet a dollar to a donut that Dave, when preparing to write about Radovan and his master, went back to look at his favorite male duos in literature for inspiration, not only the obvious Holmes and Watson, but others, including the superbly written Aubrey & Maturin.
That's a keen speculation, but the truth is that I read one O'Brien book about ten years ago, but I liked it. If there's a dominant influence on the R&V stories, it's that I'd been enjoying a film noir binge just before writing "Hell's Pawns." After reading Prince of Wolves, you can probably guess the famous final scene I had in mind at the end, although you might have to squint to recognize it.
Soon after the initial idea for "Hell's Pawns," I was thinking of the boys more as "Holmes & Marlowe." That is if Holmes weren't so infallible and Marlowe weren't a lone wolf.
Dave Gross Contributor |
The_Minstrel_Wyrm |
The_Minstrel_Wyrm wrote:Mr. Gross allow me to echo the words of praise and interests-piqued by my fellow Paizoians.
Dean; The_Minstrel_Wyrm
Thank you for the kind words. Now, never call me "Mr. Gross" again. You can call me "Dave" or "Master and Commander" or, while in the hearing of your partner, "Cuddles."
But definitely thanks. I hope you enjoy the book. Just over a month away, and I'm on tenterhooks to see the final physical incarnation.
Aye-aye Master and Commander! :)
(TMW)
nomadicc |
Well done, Mr Gross - I'm looking forward to reading Prince of Wolves! I envy your talent - your action sequences are exciting and evocative. I'm not a huge fan of the first person perspective, but I've been able to bear through it for the sake of a great story (Armor, Black Company). However, when reading your story, I didn't even notice... great job!
Dave Gross Contributor |
Thanks for the kind words, nomadicc.
I thought long and hard about whether to use the first-person in the novel after establishing the characters with Radovan's first-person narrative in "Hell's Pawns" from the Council of Thieves AP.
For Radovan, first-person was always the perfect fit, since his character comes from the world of hard-boiled noir heroes, but in [/i]Prince of Wolves we also have Count Jeggare's point of view, and he's a different sort of character altogether, drawn more from the Regency or Victorian era of gentleman adventurers. I rewrote the first five or six chapters several times before I finally settled on first-person with two distinct voices and, I hope, tones. I can't wait to hear what you think of the result.
Well done, Mr Gross - I'm looking forward to reading [i]Prince of Wolves! I envy your talent - your action sequences are exciting and evocative. I'm not a huge fan of the first person perspective, but I've been able to bear through it for the sake of a great story (Armor, Black Company). However, when reading your story, I didn't even notice... great job!
Psalmist |
I can't believe the final chapter in this series hasn't received a comment since July! Well, in lieu of other readers who may have been remiss in their responsibility to offer feedback and praise at your work, I hope my reply is a worthy substitute for all those unspoken accolades.
Initially, I wasn't sure if I would like "The Lost Pathfinder". For one, I've stumbled into the web fiction section in hopes of acquainting myself with Golarion (it's so much more satisfying to be "shown" rather "told" the details of a world, isn't it?). Also, Varian took a moment to get my head around so being introduced to the story by him made me stumble. Don't worry, that was definitely not a fault with the text, in fact I think that in order to set this up for what it becomes you made the best choice. It offered a great framework, poetic in how it opens and closes this wonderful prequel to what I am sure will be a great novel.
Once I worked through these minor details, I was utterly enthralled.
Your characters, no matter how brief their participation in the plot, were well-crafted and one could see them as living beyond the purpose they served within the story. Anyone of them could have been given a biography of their own from the shiver addict to Varian's butler. You fleshed out the details of the setting in a manner that allowed me to see not only place, but action with stunning vividness. Also, you deserve applause for having successfully integrated the noir atmosphere into a fantasy setting.
In short, you pulled off a great story.
Thank you for sharing this writing with us and I hope that this comment (should you read it) brings you satisfaction. Take care and keep on revealing worlds to your readers!
Dave Gross Contributor |
Thank you for sharing this writing with us and I hope that this comment (should you read it) brings you satisfaction. Take care and keep on revealing worlds to your readers!
Your generous (and well written) comments lend much-needed assistance to the cold meds that are keeping me alive this morning. I hope you enjoy Prince of Wolves and Winter Witch, both of which show much more of Golarion.
Psalmist |
Thank you, I'm glad to hear my praise is potent enough to carry with it moderate medicinal properties. Actually, I had meant to extend one other plaudit. I appreciate the fact you integrate words people might have to look up in your stories. Though it wasn't in the tale itself, I am happy to say you taught me "tenterhooks", never heard that expression before yesterday. I'm very much looking forward to reading the novels and hope to see more of them in the future. Stay warm, get well and take care!