Fellnight Queen (closed) (Inactive)

Game Master GM Sapphire Fox

with a 29, Queen can hear the chanting that sounds extremely muffled within the cyan box, its like its having to go through some hard materials

Black vanishes dissolving after the damage it received

Wymarc you feel as if the spell wanted to find perch on you, but you seem to have shrugged it off with some effort

though as black vanishes, you see three more appearing in the room

~~Round 3~~
Bold to act
Navi -9
WRD
Wymarc
Kala
Elena
Oondeen Songbird
Red
Purple
Yellow
Black

White Rose's readied action goes off, sending a cloud of sparking dust into the northern part of the indicated area. If that does not mark the queen, she will take a step back and cast again into the southern part.

Yellow is definitely affected, and Rhoswen has a decent chance of also being hit. DC 19 save vs. blindness.

If the queen is revealed by the first spell, my action this turn will be different.

Oondeen will try to fly to the pillar next to her. (What happens will determine what she does next.)

Kala points to the newly appeared black cloud and commands: "Smelly! Attack!" She's not sure biting a cloud will have much effect, but the angry bear needs something productive to do while tries another method of locating Rhoswen. Her eyes glow as she casts Detect Magic and looks back down the center of the throne room.

That should cover all of the area in the cyan box.

Growling with frustration (which may be about to become worse), Smelly thunders toward the nearest black cloud and gnashes his teeth into it.

bite: 1d20 + 6 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 ⇒ (19) + 6 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 29
Piercing damage: 1d6 + 3 + 1 + 1 ⇒ (2) + 3 + 1 + 1 = 7
Includes Haste, Animal Focus, Ferocious Loyalty, and Magic Fang.

WRD Glitter dust does not reveal the Queen, as Oondeen makes her way to the pillar she hits her head on the pillar they are thick but not 100% solid all the way through

Kala does notice faint magic on the walls, and on the pillars, like they are being used somehow

Yellow: 1d20 + 1 ⇒ (18) + 1 = 19 succeeds

~~Round 3~~
Bold to act
Navi -9
WRD
Wymarc
Kala
Elena
Oondeen Songbird
Red
Purple
Yellow
Black - 7

Kala keeps the team appraised of everything she notices.

"Listen, I have a few alchemist fire flasks on my belt pouch. Everyone is free to grab them and throw them at the pillars or the walls. If we can't find exactly where she is, we could at least wreck the place."

Elena changes her judgment to one of purity and proceed to keep trying to hit the smoke creatures.

Furious Power attack vs Yellow
Holy Longsword +1 Furious attack: 1d20 + 12 ⇒ (16) + 12 = 28
Slashing dmg: 1d8 + 13 ⇒ (7) + 13 = 20
Holy dmg: 2d6 ⇒ (6, 4) = 10

She also keeps her eyes open in case she notices the source of Roswen's next spell from this area.

Perception: 1d20 + 11 ⇒ (10) + 11 = 21

Completing her turn Oondeen throws a ray of fire at yellow.

ranged touch: 1d20 + 3 + 6 ⇒ (5) + 3 + 6 = 14 for fire: 1d6 + 3 ⇒ (3) + 3 = 6

Navi flutters forward a few feet and calls out to the gods of nature. She asks for them to bring her a big, fluffy owlbear.
Cast summon nature's ally IV (full round) in place of prot./energy (communal).

The archon aids Navi.

Aid Temp hp to Navi: 1d8 + 3 ⇒ (6) + 3 = 9

@WRD: You should roll the temp hp each time the archon casts aid.

Temp HP, Kala: 1d8 + 3 ⇒ (6) + 3 = 9
Temp HP, Elena: 1d8 + 3 ⇒ (3) + 3 = 6
Temp HP, Wymarc: 1d8 + 3 ⇒ (6) + 3 = 9

Wymarc fires at black…

To hit: Base/Dex, Magic, Weapon Focus, PBS, Deadly Aim, Deadeye Bowman, Rapid Shot, Haste
Damage: Magic, Strength, PBS, Deadly Aim

Magic Longbow: 1d20 + 10 + 1 + 1 + 1 - 2 - 2 + 1 ⇒ (16) + 10 + 1 + 1 + 1 - 2 - 2 + 1 = 26
Magic/Cold Iron Damage: 1d8 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 4 ⇒ (3) + 1 + 1 + 1 + 4 = 10

Magic Longbow (Rapid Shot): 1d20 + 10 + 1 + 1 + 1 - 2 - 2 + 1 ⇒ (20) + 10 + 1 + 1 + 1 - 2 - 2 + 1 = 30
Magic/Cold Iron Damage: 1d8 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 4 ⇒ (8) + 1 + 1 + 1 + 4 = 15

Magic Longbow (Haste): 1d20 + 10 + 1 + 1 + 1 - 2 - 2 + 1 ⇒ (3) + 10 + 1 + 1 + 1 - 2 - 2 + 1 = 13
Magic/Cold Iron Damage: 1d8 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 4 ⇒ (5) + 1 + 1 + 1 + 4 = 12

Confirm (Rapid Shot): 1d20 + 10 + 1 + 1 + 1 - 2 - 2 + 1 ⇒ (11) + 10 + 1 + 1 + 1 - 2 - 2 + 1 = 21
Magic/Cold Iron Damage: 2d8 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 8 ⇒ (7, 8) + 2 + 2 + 2 + 8 = 29

Oondeen misses with her ray, but Wymarc Fells the black one, Elena manages to take a chunk of air with that strike wounding it

Elena I need you to make me a dc 20 Will save

while none of the pillars seems to light up more then the others Elena can gather it may be one of the ones closer to her

Purple moves and attacks Elena

Slam flank: 1d20 + 9 + 2 ⇒ (17) + 9 + 2 = 28
damage: 1d6 + 3 ⇒ (4) + 3 = 7

yellow does the same
Slam flank: 1d20 + 9 + 2 ⇒ (6) + 9 + 2 = 17 missing

~~Round 3~~
Bold to act
Navi -9
WRD
Wymarc
Kala
Elena -7 will dc 20
Oondeen Songbird
Red
Purple
Yellow -20
Black dead

"Can you kill the creature west of Elena without moving further west than she already is?" White Rose whispers through the message.

She steps to the northeast and readies to cast detect thoughts in the indicated area. At that point, 'presence or absence of thoughts' plus the clues we have should narrow Rhoswen's location down to a single pillar. No SR, save or chance of exploding my head on the first round of the spell.

Down to one 2nd-level spell and cantrips.

In the meantime, the arhcon gives aid to Oondeen and then moves toward its summoner.

Temp HP: 1d8 + 3 ⇒ (1) + 3 = 4

Also, I think the tracker is wrong... WRD cast haste in the first and then the summon has acted five times, so we're in round 6.

Elena points the pillar she feels likly the spell being cast.

Will save with protection from evil: 1d20 + 7 + 2 ⇒ (15) + 7 + 2 = 24
Will save strong-willed: 1d20 + 7 ⇒ (9) + 7 = 16

Elena rolls will saves vs mind affecting effects twice and takes the best result.

Oondeen targets the tree that people are pointing at.

fire ray: 1d20 + 6 + 3 ⇒ (2) + 6 + 3 = 11 for fire: 1d6 + 3 ⇒ (1) + 3 = 4

"Hey, everyone! I think Rhoswen is using tree stride! Strange, since it's a druid spell, but, that must be what she's doing! We need to chop down or burn the tree columns!"
She flutters north a tad (5' step) and quickly fires two arrows at the purple smoke creature...
+2 Greenwood Longbow, haste, aspect/falcon, deadly aim, PBS: 1d20 + 11 + 1 + 1 + 1 - 2 ⇒ (15) + 11 + 1 + 1 + 1 - 2 = 27
cold-iron arrow, PBS & DA: 1d8 + 2 + 4 + 1 ⇒ (2) + 2 + 4 + 1 = 9
fire dmg: 1d6 ⇒ 5
+2 Greenwood Longbow, haste, aspect/falcon, deadly aim, PBS: 1d20 + 11 + 1 + 1 + 1 - 2 ⇒ (16) + 11 + 1 + 1 + 1 - 2 = 28
cold-iron arrow, PBS & DA: 1d8 + 2 + 4 + 1 ⇒ (8) + 2 + 4 + 1 = 15
fire dmg: 1d6 ⇒ 4
Flaming ability: 5/10 rnds. remaining.

As the fluffy owlbear appears, Navi calls out to the lantern archon, knowing it has truespeech, "Hey, lantern archon! Tell Fluffy to smash down the tree column that any of my friends point at!"
Meanwhile, the owlbear hastily smashes its mighty, clawed fists down on the dark, smokey creature directly in front of him...
Claw (hasted): 1d20 + 8 + 1 ⇒ (2) + 8 + 1 = 11
Slash & bludgeon: 1d6 + 4 ⇒ (6) + 4 = 10
Claw (hasted): 1d20 + 8 + 1 ⇒ (7) + 8 + 1 = 16
Slash & bludgeon: 1d6 + 4 ⇒ (6) + 4 = 10
Bite (hasted): 1d20 + 8 + 1 ⇒ (4) + 8 + 1 = 13
b/p/s dmg: 1d6 + 4 ⇒ (4) + 4 = 8

Claw (hasted): 1d20 + 8 + 1 ⇒ (13) + 8 + 1 = 22
Slash & bludgeon: 1d6 + 4 ⇒ (3) + 4 = 7
On the final, hasted attack, Fluffy attempts to yank the creature out of the air...
CMB to grab/grapple: 1d20 + 15 ⇒ (10) + 15 = 25

It appears Fluffy is still a bit disoriented from the summoning.
Wow. Those first 3 were terrible attack rolls.

As Kala continues to concentrate on Detect Magic, she distractedly points at the tree that Elena pointed to. "Smelly! Attack that tree!"

Round 2 of Detect Magic.

Incredulous but to grouchy to give a darn, Smelly lumbers over to the tree and bites a chunk out of the bark.

bite: 1d20 + 6 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 ⇒ (1) + 6 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 11
Piercing damage: 1d6 + 3 + 1 + 1 ⇒ (1) + 3 + 1 + 1 = 6
Includes Haste, Animal Focus, Ferocious Loyalty, and Magic Fang.

Well, he looks like he's biting it anyway.

While Smelly attacks the tree, Elena will try to dispatch Yellow! She uses a swift action to change her judgement back to one of justice.

If Yellow falls, then she turns to purple.

Furious Power attacks
Holy Longsword +1 Furious attack: 1d20 + 12 + 1 ⇒ (2) + 12 + 1 = 15
Slashing dmg: 1d8 + 13 ⇒ (5) + 13 = 18
Holy dmg: 2d6 ⇒ (3, 6) = 9

Holy Longsword +1 power attack: 1d20 + 5 + 1 ⇒ (2) + 5 + 1 = 8
Slashing dmg: 1d8 + 13 ⇒ (6) + 13 = 19
Holy dmg: 2d6 ⇒ (3, 3) = 6

Hasted Holy Longsword +1 Furious attack: 1d20 + 10 + 1 ⇒ (5) + 10 + 1 = 16
Slashing dmg: 1d8 + 13 ⇒ (7) + 13 = 20
Holy dmg: 2d6 ⇒ (5, 3) = 8

Wymarc fires at yellow…

To hit: Base/Dex, Magic, Weapon Focus, PBS, Deadly Aim, Deadeye Bowman, Rapid Shot, Haste
Damage: Magic, Strength, PBS, Deadly Aim

Magic Longbow: 1d20 + 10 + 1 + 1 + 1 - 2 - 2 + 1 ⇒ (12) + 10 + 1 + 1 + 1 - 2 - 2 + 1 = 22
Magic/Cold Iron Damage: 1d8 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 4 ⇒ (4) + 1 + 1 + 1 + 4 = 11

Magic Longbow (Rapid Shot): 1d20 + 10 + 1 + 1 + 1 - 2 - 2 + 1 ⇒ (16) + 10 + 1 + 1 + 1 - 2 - 2 + 1 = 26
Magic/Cold Iron Damage: 1d8 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 4 ⇒ (6) + 1 + 1 + 1 + 4 = 13

Magic Longbow (Haste): 1d20 + 10 + 1 + 1 + 1 - 2 - 2 + 1 ⇒ (1) + 10 + 1 + 1 + 1 - 2 - 2 + 1 = 11
Magic/Cold Iron Damage: 1d8 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 4 ⇒ (3) + 1 + 1 + 1 + 4 = 10

Black, Purple and Yellow are gone with a flurry of attacks

Kala points out which column the fae is in Red Circle, and while smelly tries to bite it doesn't seem like it did anything

you see a form of the queen stepping out and reaching down touching smelly

Touch: 1d20 + 7 ⇒ (5) + 7 = 12
Damage: 5d6 ⇒ (4, 3, 2, 1, 4) = 14

~~Round ?~~
Bold to act
Navi -9
WRD
Wymarc
Kala
Elena -7
Oondeen Songbird
Red +14

I will go back and check the rounds later and update it accordingly

The archon pew-pews Rhoswen.

Light Ray: 1d20 + 3 ⇒ (20) + 3 = 23 vs. touch
Damage: 1d6 ⇒ 2 (ignores all DR)

Light Ray: 1d20 + 3 ⇒ (17) + 3 = 20 vs. touch
Damage: 1d6 ⇒ 4 (ignores all DR)

Critical Confirmation: 1d20 + 3 ⇒ (17) + 3 = 20 vs. touch
Critical Damage?: 1d6 ⇒ 4 (ignores all DR)

White Rose remains invisible and moves to a spot where she can hit Rhoswhen if the queen moves into a tree or casts a spell. Her new cone detects the presence of thoughts, hooray!

Elena turns around as the last purple smoke is gone and takes a deep breath. "Time to dance," and then she just starts swinging her holy sword over her head, bringing it down with force.

Holy Longsword +1 Furious attack: 1d20 + 12 ⇒ (11) + 12 = 23
Slashing dmg: 1d8 + 13 ⇒ (5) + 13 = 18
Holy dmg: 2d6 ⇒ (5, 6) = 11

Holy Longsword +1 power attack: 1d20 + 7 ⇒ (19) + 7 = 26
Slashing dmg: 1d8 + 13 ⇒ (5) + 13 = 18
Holy dmg: 2d6 ⇒ (2, 4) = 6

HASTED Holy Longsword +1 Furious attack: 1d20 + 12 ⇒ (5) + 12 = 17
Slashing dmg: 1d8 + 13 ⇒ (7) + 13 = 20
Holy dmg: 2d6 ⇒ (4, 6) = 10

Edit: Forgot to add Haste +1 to all atks

Aid also adds +1 on her attack. So that would be a 25, 28 and 19 to hit.

With Rhoswen stepping out from the tree, Navi quickly sends two arrows at her...
+2 Greenwood Longbow, haste, aspect/falcon, deadly aim, PBS, aid: 1d20 + 11 + 1 + 1 + 1 - 2 + 1 ⇒ (17) + 11 + 1 + 1 + 1 - 2 + 1 = 30
cold-iron arrow, PBS & DA: 1d8 + 2 + 4 + 1 ⇒ (7) + 2 + 4 + 1 = 14
fire dmg: 1d6 ⇒ 4
+2 Greenwood Longbow, haste, aspect/falcon, deadly aim, PBS,aid: 1d20 + 11 + 1 + 1 + 1 - 2 + 1 ⇒ (12) + 11 + 1 + 1 + 1 - 2 + 1 = 25
cold-iron arrow, PBS & DA: 1d8 + 2 + 4 + 1 ⇒ (5) + 2 + 4 + 1 = 12
fire dmg: 1d6 ⇒ 2
Flaming ability: 4/10 rnds. remaining.

The massive owlbear lunges forward (5' step) and pummels the queen...
Claw (hasted): 1d20 + 8 + 1 ⇒ (6) + 8 + 1 = 15
Slash & bludgeon: 1d6 + 4 ⇒ (2) + 4 = 6
Claw (hasted): 1d20 + 8 + 1 ⇒ (12) + 8 + 1 = 21
Slash & bludgeon: 1d6 + 4 ⇒ (5) + 4 = 9
Bite (hasted): 1d20 + 8 + 1 ⇒ (16) + 8 + 1 = 25
b/p/s dmg: 1d6 + 4 ⇒ (3) + 4 = 7

Claw (hasted): 1d20 + 8 + 1 ⇒ (15) + 8 + 1 = 24
Slash & bludgeon: 1d6 + 4 ⇒ (2) + 4 = 6
On the final hasted attack, Fluffy attempts to give her a big hug...
CMB to grab/grapple: 1d20 + 15 ⇒ (11) + 15 = 26

Finally seeing their prey out in the open, Kala dashes forward to flank her with Smelly. "Smelly! Attack!" She takes her own advice and smashes Orc Brains into the fey's brains.

She'll provoke 1 AOO with that movement.

Cold Iron Warhammer +1: 1d20 + 9 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 4 ⇒ (11) + 9 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 4 = 28
Bludgeoning Damage: 1d8 + 3 + 1 + 1 + 1 ⇒ (7) + 3 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 13

Includes Haste, Animal Focus, Ferocious Loyalty, Aid, and Outflank.

Bad touch! Bad! Smelly roars at the pain when Rhoswen touches him and touches her right back--with his teeth.

Bite vs. Rhoswen: 1d20 + 6 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 4 ⇒ (12) + 6 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 4 = 26
Piercing Damage: 1d6 + 3 + 1 + 1 ⇒ (6) + 3 + 1 + 1 = 11

Bite vs. Rhoswen: 1d20 + 6 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 4 ⇒ (8) + 6 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 4 = 22
Piercing Damage: 1d6 + 3 + 1 + 1 ⇒ (4) + 3 + 1 + 1 = 9

Includes Haste, Animal Focus, Ferocious Loyalty, Magic Fang, and Outflank.

between the Archon, Elena, and Navi, Rhoswyn collapses completely to the ground

combats over

~end of combat~

upon her passing, the stairway to the south appears, as it leads upwards, and the mirror is still there by her throne

as the stairs appear, if you look up, it leads up to her bed chambers

Tree-sized columns support this open chamber with translucent draperies hung between them, stirred by a soft breeze from narrow windows in the tower’s outer walls. The center of the room lies two feet below the outer walkway and contains a pile of sleeping cushions, cages filled with songbirds, several large vases of flowers, a table set with four bottles of wine, and a small jewelry box. Overhead, a ceiling of rose-colored crystal mirrors the recessed floor, allowing starlight to filter through.

White Rose takes a moment to assume her human form again before ascending.

Looking back at Oondeen, the vigilante asks, "What is her thing with birds?"

If the birds (or Birddeen) have anything to say, Channdryvonne can translate via truespeech.

Elena takes a deep breath to regain her strength after such a fight. She moves to 'double tap' the Queen in the heart, just to make sure she's dead DEAD and not an illusion.

If nothing happens, she moves to check what she carries, particularly looking for keys in case there are locked things in her chambers.

Takes 10 for 21 Perception

"Don't worry Ondeen, once this is over, we'll make sure you are turn back. Maybe some of the other magic creatures of the forest can break the enchantment."

Oondeen peeps imperiously, and flutters after the party, taking a moment to poop on the queen on the way. "B$+&!" is all she says so far.

Navi flutters beside the now avian Oondeen.
"I can pray in the morning to request a true form spell. That should revert you back to normal. I do like your new form, though. Having the ability to fly is... FUN!"
Navi says as she loops and soars around Oondeen.
"Wheeee!!!"

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In Rhoswen's bedchamber, Navi releases the songbirds.
"Some friends for you, Oondeen." she giggles.
"Fly away! Be free, birdies! Not you, Oondeen. You stay with us. Tee-hee."

Navi looks through the wardrobe for fine, fey dresses and accessories. "Oooh, I bet they're silk!"

"Ohohoh! Are these a masterwork bra and panties set? From Frederick's of Oppara? Adorrrrable!"

After helping herself to any of the fine articles of clothing, she looks for the really expensive stuff, "The jewelry!" and heads straight for the jewelry box.

"Good boy, Smelly. Rest a bit, but don't sleep too deep yet, okay?" Kala smooths Smelly's hackles as she croons to him.

Now that Rhoswen is dead, she feels drawn to that mirror by the throne. While Elena is looting Rhoswen's corpse, Kala walks over to inspect it. If it looks like anything other than a plain mundane mirror mounted to a solid wall the regular way, she'll give it a heavy smash with her warhammer.

Take 10 on Perception for 24 on the mirror

Strike vs. the mirror, if needed:
Cold Iron Warhammer +1: 1d20 + 9 + 1 + 1 + 1 ⇒ (11) + 9 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 23
Bludgeoning damage: 1d8 + 3 + 1 + 1 ⇒ (3) + 3 + 1 + 1 = 8
Includes Haste, Animal Focus, and Aid

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Once the group makes its way to Rhoswen's bedchamber, Kala takes in all the birds in cages and gets a sick feeling in her gut. She's glad that Navi lets them all out, but an uneasy thought pokes at her conscience. "Uh... How many of these birds do you think were people once? Like Oondeen? Can we ask them? I don't know what we'd do about it, though, if they were."

"If they were people, and still have their minds, I will be able to communicate with them."

Channdryvonne begins speaking to the birds. If any have more than animal intelligence, she will begin translating a conversation for the group.

"You know what? Maybe I should dispel Oondeen's polymorph. Although I really do like her in this form. Quite adorbs, I think."

"Okay. Perch on the pillows, Oondeen. You don't want to be up in the air like that when you change back."

With a wave of her arms and a sing-song hymn, Navi casts dispel magic...
CL check vs. Polymorph: 1d20 + 7 ⇒ (2) + 7 = 9
I knew that was gonna happen.

Reroll CL check vs. Polymorph w/GM Stars: 1d20 + 7 + 4 ⇒ (20) + 7 + 4 = 31
Ha! Awesome!

"There. Back to normal."

"She was quite the snack that way."

The silvanshee continues to meet the meat try to talk to birds.

"Yes, we should still wait a bit to make sure if these were her prisoners. If we open the cages and they get scared and fly away, we might not be able to catch them again." Elena is quite sad about the prospect of being turned into an animal. "We should search upstairs and clear what's left of the place. Maybe there's a way to tell our friends we have defeated her."

ok, I'm going to do this in order cause someone is about to go poof

Elena, searching the body of the queen you find the following:

a Crook
a headband
a potion
and a ring

Kala as you go to look at the mirror, you realize that it is not a normal mirror, and as you swing at it, it does not break, however everyone around sees you disappear I will send you a message on what is going on

queen these birds have long lived past any of their normal lives, they don't remember anything from before and truly just see themselves as birds

anyone in the queens bedroom

looting the queens bed room yields:

The bottles of wine are worth up to 400 gp per bottle if taken back to Golarion.

The jewelry box contains three necklaces hung with a topaz worth 500 gp,
an emerald worth 750 gp, and a sapphire worth 900 gp.

Matching rings are worth 150 gp, 250 gp, and 600 gp.

Oondeen you are returned to normal, no longer a songbird

"Any of these that were intelligent have been birds too long to help."

Knowledge (Arcana): 1d20 + 5 ⇒ (17) + 5 = 22

"And this disc will take us to the roof. Um... where's Kala?"

Spellcraft, Crook: 1d20 + 6 ⇒ (5) + 6 = 11
Spellcraft, Headband: 1d20 + 6 ⇒ (18) + 6 = 24
Spellcraft, Potion: 1d20 + 6 ⇒ (4) + 6 = 10
Spellcraft, Ring: 1d20 + 6 ⇒ (9) + 6 = 15

White Rose looks up from her examination of Rhoswen's items. Instead of the shattering sound she expected, she sees the hunter disappear.

Having taken it easy after the fey queen dropped, seeing Kala disappear brings his cat-like senses back to alert mode; he draws his bow quickly…

”I think the mirror sucked Kala in…we should wait a few minutes…if she doesn’t reappear, I’ll try to follow her in…”

WRD

Crook - don't know
Headbane - Head band of Alluring Charisma +2
potion - don't know
Ring - ring of protection +2

Elena stands up suddenly after realizing Kala is gone. Her whole body tenses in worry. "Are you sure...? White Rose, can you... check? From a safe distance? What kind of magic did the mirror do?"

Elena will attempt to help WRD to identify the mirror from a safe distance.

Aid another Spellcraft for a +4: 1d20 + 5 ⇒ (20) + 5 = 25