The first one, no problem (although a completely empty trunk would be obvious if Grok looks into it).
The second one, no way are you getting all of that out without the theft being obvious (you get the sense that the armor chest is something that gets opened regualarly). The same goes for the third chest.
One of the best methods I've seen for loot is to lump everyhting found together, then figure out the sale price for a toal gp value of all the loot (cash and items). You then figure out the shares. After that players can "buy" items from the loot at their sell price. This way everyone has the exact same total gp loot, and players can get items at half cost. Sometimes there are items that exceed a player's total share, but they can "owe" the pot from later splits. Items can be used by players until you do a loot split, then they decide whether to keep the items or sell them in the pot.
I will add a loot list to the Campaign tab. I was holding off until you actually started getting real loot.
I agree with Onnello here.
Take what is useful, sell the rest, save X% for party funds (maybe a ress is needed or something), split the rest giving preference to those who have less.
Ah yes, I completely forgot about that, too much going on at once. No, if everyone is fine as is, we don't really need to add a cleric, but if you do want another player, let me know and I will revisit those that answered the original recruitment thread.
I am really sorry to see Hraak go - I think he was fitting right into the group's overall 'attitude' as players. Nowadays I find that more important than any character concepts.
That being said, I like the cast of characters we have, and I think we are starting to find our rhythm. That is not as common as one might think around the Paizo PbP boards, so I say we stick with it.
Now being meta myself - if we know we ARE missing a strong divine character, maybe all who have a way to contribute to healing/buffing/condition removal/spiritual guidance [:)] can step up and contribute with some extra effort.
My vote goes for 'no further recruitment at this time'
I would not plan on relying on Sandra as a cleric.
Perfect timing for Helgash then, it seems... :P
I actually like the GM's method, with some clarifcations/caveats. I think that wands, potions, and scrolls (with a few exceptions) should be considered party loot, no matter who holds them. For example, a potion of healing doesn't just benefit the user, but also the casters that now don't have to spend a spell slot to cast the healing. Same goes for most buff potions, scrolls, and wands. As for secondary items, yes they get used, but not often, and it denies gold to those other characters that need it to upgrade their existing weapons and armor. Besides, this is only an issue when we decide to make a loot split where we can sell items. The problem with using the method Onnello suggested is that by mid levels there tends to be a huge disparity in individual equipment. Melee characters have much more expensive equipment on average.
Helgash said, "Take what is useful, sell the rest, save X% for party funds (maybe a ress is needed or something), split the rest giving preference to those who have less."
We are still doing that, but we are making sure that those that need actual gold get their share.
I think a mix of the propsals is a good idea. We use the even split method, but when certain items that Onnello referred to come up, we make exceptions. I won't be averse to not counting their cost against whoever ends up with them.
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After having done public play in both the Living City era of the RPGA and also the more modern era of the corporate shared campaigns, I am firmly of the opinion that both of the solutions used in those scenarios SUCK.
In Living City, there was X gold and Y certificates that were keepable items (sometimes even expendable items, though mostly permanent). Most of the treasure value was in the certificates, and treasure distribution was almost never about who would actually use the certificates but instead about who could take the greatest value away from the module.
Living City was the worst version of the "keep what we can use and put it where it needs to go." Because it skipped that second half.
The modern version is that everything gets converted into money and everyone gets an equal lump of cash, every time. This means that when you stumble onto that perfect item, nobody gets it.
I, personally, am a minimalist when it comes to paperwork. I firmly believe using the interesting and powerful items we find is inherently part of properly telling a story. That's what we're doing, cooperatively telling a story. We don't win by killing the bad guys. We don't win by having the biggest pile of valuables. We win by enjoying the story that we tell.
I ALWAYS propose giving things to the individual in the party who will make the best use of them, and that hand-me-downs are mandatory. Sebastian gets an upgrade? Great! If Helgash considers Sebastian's old item an upgrade also, well, the old item goes to Helgash (or whomever). Nothing gets sold off unless no one wants to use it or no one CAN use it.
No, individual character wealth won't progress evenly and linearly. We can stop and check now and again (when we level, maybe?) to see how far out of sync we've gotten, and then discuss the best method of getting back in sync. We can agree not to count group benefit items when we do the sync. Or we can. I prefer not, but the method of the sync is less important to me than whether we make playing the game about behind the scenes accounting or about the story.
Minimizes the paperwork. Allows us to focus on the story. Keeps everyone on a near slope because of the regular checks.
As a non-instrument using Bard, this process will probably keep Ioney on the bottom of the hand-me-down chain pretty much forever. <shrug> So what?
Two notes, first does everyone want to use Ioney's ABP idea? I actually like it too and can adjust items that come up in the AP to account for it.
Ioney's post is more in line with what I think as well (though as the GM and not a player, it's just opinion on my part). Also, I think Sebastion's and Ioney's idea about what constitutes party loot has merit.
What I will do is post a loot list on the campaign page and only delete items as they are sold or used. You can keep track of who has what.
Two notes, first does everyone want to use Ioney's ABP idea? I actually like it too and can adjust items that come up in the AP to account for it.
I am a bit confused here - I thought it was Onnello talking about ABP? I did not see it mentioned in Ioney's post :)
As for my own opinion, usually when I play martial characters, one of the reasons I tend to go Str based is exactly to be able to pick up any weapon which we find along the way, and make the best use of it. Feels more 'organic' to me.
However this time I made a Dex based character, strongly focused around using a specific type of weapon - rapiers. So if you Trevor0828 are adjusting items coming up in the AP, and there are a few of those (rapiers) dropping every once in a while, I am good to go (or some ruling that allows me to use other weapons equally well with my Dex).
I am also ok with ABP I think - never really played much with it.
And definitely I am completely against any option which means selling/not using any interesting items we come across during the game. Like I said, Helgash is all about using everything he can get his hands on (weapons can be a more 'touchy' subject, like I pointed out).
Yes, Onnello mentioned ABP. I didn't realize he was good looking enough for you to confuse us. <grin>
I will flow with whatever the group wants, honestly. I expressed my opinion and can clarify any points if requested or the conversation suggests I should. But this discussion is not one I like to spend much energy having.
Lol, yes, I was thinking ahead to the 2nd point when I typed that. I had even just gone back to see that it was Onnello's idea and then immediately forgot it. Sorry, Onnello, didn't mean to short you of the credit
I'm fine with ABP.
As a caster, same as the bard, I'd probably get hand me downs, if even those - except for the mandatory +casting-stat headgear that casters get first dibs on.
Those are usually also the items casters pool their wealth towards, so casting-wise I may be slightly behind, but overall, more well-rounded.
If ABP is a no, then I'm good with any of the options. As mentioned, I think as a caster I don't have a strong opinion, mostly I'd see novelty items, scrolls and wands, and the headgear(if correct stat boosted).
I agree with Helgash, this is not a conversation I want to spend too much time on. I think we just go and take things as they come and wait for there to be an actual issue, though with this group I don't see that as becoming a problem. I am also OK with ABP, especially as it allows for cooler items, most automatically give up the belt, headband, shoulders, neck, and one ring slot for the boring stat, AC, and save items that are covered by ABP.
:facepalm:
:facepalm:
It IS dark in here. From a certain angle you look like Helgash.
Have you tried being blue?
I think we need more carrots on board of this ship!
:facepalm:It IS dark in here. From a certain angle you look like Helgash.
Have you tried being blue?
Tried blue?
Tried blue?:facepalm:It IS dark in here. From a certain angle you look like Helgash.
Have you tried being blue?
Yes blue!
ABP it is then. I will adjust future items accordingly.
I almost skipped this event because I knew with Nivian it wouldn't be much of a challenge.
Please don't :)
If a character has some quirks or abilities that render events "easy" then allow them to shine, allow them to make use of them. It's a nice change of pace since that kind of thing likely won't happen too often.No need to drag it out or overcomplicate matters, but it's enjoyable to face non-issues that can be resolved purely by RP and decision now and then, as well.
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One of the things I love about a table of players acting like adults is that everyone will get a chance to shine. Why? Because the other players will LET THEM, and be happy to see it happen.
Very well played. Just drove the wedge between Ioney and the thugs deeper, of course, but that's expected.
I had to think for a while before I figured out what felt like the right response for Ioney. I hope what I posted fits everyone's image of who he is.
(Ioney, I assume you will help with that remove fatigue bardic ability).
ABSOLUTELY. Ioney's not big on letting other people being tired lead to him getting dead . . ..
I love the fact the 'captain' saw Ioney's benefit and rewarded him for it. Well done Trevor0828
Thank you, there really isn't anything in the AP (this early) about Harrigan even noticing the PCs except for a few specific instances. Harrigan is defintely a bad guy, but he is one of the top pirate captains of the area. Ioney's ability to keep the entire crew unfatigued is like gold to a ship's captain, it would be ridiculous for Harrigan to not take notice and use it.
I looked at ABP a bit closer. I am going with the "little to no magic" version. That means you start with the +1 resitance bonus. I am removing all magic weapons, armor, stat items, resistance items, NA items, and deflection items. The on;y exception will be for artifacys and AP specific specialty items. In addition, except for rare cases, there won't be madic shops. You will be able to commision items though, and I will replace some of the loot with specialty magic items more tailored to your group.
This means the two magic weapons you recently acquired have been downgraded to MW.
Let me know what you think.
So we are treated as being two levels higher in THIS table. Is that correct?
And as an example, the +1 animal bane dagger becomes a MW Dagger. Yes?
So we are treated as being two levels higher in THIS table. Is that correct?
And as an example, the +1 animal bane dagger becomes a MW Dagger. Yes?
Yes, to the first. The +1 animal bane dagger and the +1 shortsword become MW. And yes, it loses the bane ability. The good news is that you can attune your armor and weapon starting at 2nd level.
Just to be clear, would the dagger keep the 'Bane' quality? Will we have access to any CLW wands or that sort of thing?
The dagger would lose the bane ability. Wands and such are still available as loot and to be made. Same goes for scrolls and potions.
so later, if ONnello wanted to have a 'cloak of the Manta Ray' (or that type of thing) made, would that be possible, or very unlikely?
Having it made can be done, finding it some corner store "magic shop" is unlikely. I think having artisans that specialize in custom orders is more appealing. than the Ye' Olde Magic Shoppe.
So, I do have a question. Considering this part:
Any weapon, armor, or shield special abilities on attuned items count against a character’s enhancement bonus from attunement. To determine an attuned magic item’s enhancement bonus, subtract the cost of its special ability from the enhancement bonus granted by attunement. (This applies only to special abilities whose cost is equivalent to an enhancement bonus, not to those that cost a flat amount of gold pieces.) For example, if a character with a +3 enhancement bonus from weapon attunement wields a keen scimitar, she subtracts 1 point of her enhancement bonus (for the cost of keen), leaving her with a +2 keen scimitar. If a character doesn’t have enough of an enhancement bonus to afford the special ability (such as a 4th-level character with a vorpal longsword), she can still use the weapon’s power on its own, but the weapon gains no enhancement bonus.
There should be items with specific abilities, which are then powered be lowering the attuned bonus.
Was the Animal-Bane dagger a single case where the ability gets removed, or do you intend to remove all of the abilities from magic items?If so, how do we get them?
Also only by commission?
I am asking because if there IS sufficient downtime to get those items crafted, it may be worthwhile for people in the party to pick up a few of the crafting feats, just to have "secure" access to certain abilities or items.
I can probably fit Craft Wondrous Items into my build plan - but Nivians not going to worry too much about weaponry or armor.
So, I do have a question.
There should be items with specific abilities, which are then powered be lowering the attuned bonus.
Was the Animal-Bane dagger a single case where the ability gets removed, or do you intend to remove all of the abilities from magic items?
If so, how do we get them?
Also only by commission?I am asking because if there IS sufficient downtime to get those items crafted, it may be worthwhile for people in the party to pick up a few of the crafting feats, just to have "secure" access to certain abilities or items.
I can probably fit Craft Wondrous Items into my build plan - but Nivians not going to worry too much about weaponry or armor.
Certain special items will be kept, and these rules have no bearing on artifacts. Also, this mostly affects weapons and armor. As for crafting, yes, you will be getting significant downtime.