GM Dennis |
Please fill out the information on slides 2 & 3 of the Maps & Handouts deck (also linked at the top fo the page and in my GM alias tagline.
Inonotusoblitus |
Done. Wow, a legacy boon from a scenario exist?
It is sad we i hadn't played slayer end. (I thought so but no)
Arrus |
Yarr. Slides filled out.
As mentioneed elsewhere Arrus has thorough reports and Scrollmaster so receives a +4 to identify creatures he's previously identified.
List is in profile, also here.
Human
Jinkin (Gremlin)
Manifestation of Qxal
Janni
VoidWyrm
Arbiter
Axiomatic
Sod Hound (Earth Elemental)
Boggard
Zephyr Hawk (Air Elemental)
Cinder Rat (Fire Elemental)
Skeletal Giant
Cairn Wight
Basilisk
Blodeuwedd (Fey/Plant Thingy)
Flytrap
Pixie
Grimstalker
Redcap
TwigJack
Giant Whiptail Centipede
Krooth
AxeBeak
Human(Russian)
Winter Wolf
Inonotusoblitus |
Yarr. Slides filled out.
As mentioneed elsewhere Arrus has thorough reports and Scrollmaster so receives a +4 to identify creatures he's previously identified.
List is in profile, also here.
** spoiler omitted **
You know, i have the same feat and "PFS StandardThorough ReportsFeat 4
ArchetypeSkillSource World Guide pg. 23
Archetype Pathfinder Agent
Prerequisites Pathfinder Agent Dedication
Your reports are thorough and informative, and putting your thoughts to paper helps you retain the information. Keep track of each type of creature you successfully identify with Recall Knowledge. When attempting Recall Knowledge checks against creatures on your list in later encounters, you gain a +2 circumstance bonus, and you learn an additional fact about such creatures on a success.
On page 348 of the Bestiary, you see the types.
GM Dennis |
I've always read that feat to be about specific creatures (as Arrus listed), rather than the broader categories. The second sentence reads that way to me, since it specifies creatures on your list, rather than creature types on your list:
....When attempting Recall Knowledge checks against creatures on your list in later encounters....
Inonotusoblitus |
I've always read that feat to be about specific creatures (as Arrus listed), rather than the broader categories. The second sentence reads that way to me, since it specifies creatures on your list, rather than creature types on your list:
Thorough Reports wrote:....When attempting Recall Knowledge checks against creatures on your list in later encounters....
OK... I have a problem then. I did not record the creatures, i had identified only their type as written. The second sentence was for me that if the creature were part of this type, you had a +2 (or +4 for for scrollmaster)
This is your table and I will abide by your jugement. I will act as I have no creature recorded. Except for one creature.
Qxal. :)
If i can argue my interpretation, Why the first sentence then? I would have understand if they would have say Families (The feat would be have been less useful, but it would still work at the long term.) But the same creature would be very very difficult to see. Especially as creatures change of names as we level up and when a bestiary comes out each year or so.
Arrus |
I think the use of type in the feat wasn't the best choice of words but you've been recording "creature type" not "type of creature."
In other words its plain English "type", not the rules keyword "creature type". (That sort of inconsistency can be maddening)
The reason it uses that language at all is to make the feat functional otherwise having identified one plague zombie wouldn't help you identify a future one because its a separate creature, so they went with the language "type of creature".
It's not about a general bonus to ID creatures, it's about a bonus to ID creatures that you've ID'd before.
Inonotusoblitus |
Taking the plague zombie exemple, we will never see a plague zombie again, even if we see a zombie with same abilities. It will not be a plague zombie. So the feat would not work.
Also, when you meet the same creature. Having an additionnal info is kind of useless because you would already know almost all of their ability. Why put it then? And this is just a +2. So could meet a plague zombie and still fail to identify it.
Other arguments, I am not sure that " creature type" is a keyword. On 350, this is" type trait". On page 348, we have creatures by types. On the Gamemastery p.58, in the alignement, size, and trait section second paragraph, we have a type of creature as a trait.
But the most powerful argument i have is that in page 119 of the pathfinder society guide in the discerning strike feat description (which Thorough report is a prerequisite), one of the powers says that you need to have their creature type recorded using Thorough Report.
But i could see the feat work with creature with class ability if we take your interpretation. Since, they are the same creature.
GM Dennis |
In addition, I think your interpretation breaks down a little if you take a step back and look at it from a flavor perspective. At level 4, you identify a shadow and take thorough notes about its weakness to light and resistance to non-magical weapons. Why would your notes about a shadow help you identify a mummy pharaoh 5 levels later? Or a warsworn at level 16? That would be an very powerful level 4 feat if, over the course of a level or two, you could collect all of the types and get a permanent +2 to identify everything.
GM Dennis |
Inonotusoblitus |
1-17
1-18
1-20
1-21
1-23
1-24
1-25
2-00 (Bye Qxal!)
2-02
2-08
2-10
quest 8,9.12,7
Also, my skills are written on the profile. I have automatic knowledge on Nature. I don't know how that will change the introduction. (because it is a free action assurance on nature).
Arrus |
By the way, how's automatic knowledge been for you?
My worry was the assurance # was too likely to fail thus locking out further checks, but PFS adventures have been a lot better about using a variety of creatures instead of a single +2 or the like.
Inonotusoblitus |
It didn't work most of the time. I had automatic knowledge with occultism even. My plan one year ago was to have automatic knowledge on every recall knowledge for monster.
First, the feat is obscure for the gms i played with. Second, it will work on minions (their level are under after all) i fought some adventure with a level bump.
I thought that gms accepted a minimum result on any recall knowledge check on the introduction section. (Have the result of 15 and then roll if you have higher) but most of the time, it was like i just had only assurance.
I would say automatic knowledge on society and religion would be the most useful in my opinion to identify monsters. But i haven't played with Omble lately, so we will see.
GM Dennis |
- Arbiter
- awakened tree
- Axiomite
- basilisk
- bear
- Biloko
- blodeuwedd
- Boggards
- brine shark
- cairn wights
- cinder rat
- culdewen
- daeodon
- dandasuka rakshasa
- dhampir
- drainberry bush
- Dryad
- elananx
- flesh golem
- giant frilled lizard
- giant gecko
- giant slug
- giant stag beetle
- gnome
- gorilla
- grimstalkers
- guardian dogu (earth construct)
- Human
- Janni
- Jinkins
- Krooth
- living whirlwind
- mandragora
- megalania
- megaprimatus
- midges
- mortic dwarf
- orc
- plague zombie
- qxal
- redcap
- robotic construct
- sea sovereign dragon
- skeletons/Skeletal giants
- Snapping Flytrap
- Sod hound
- sod hound
- technic zombie
- voidworm protean
- wind malevolent
- Witchwyrd
- wyrwood
- zephyr hawk
- zephyr hawk
- zombie brutes
Arrus |
As I was finishing my post realized I forgot to resolve my daily longstrider wand via trick magic item and didn't want to mess with my combat post...
need an 18 before a crit fail.
Nature DC 18: 1d20 + 14 ⇒ (20) + 14 = 34
Success, 40ft move speed today.
GM redeux |
Hi all,
I'm planning a run through of the Breaking The Storm metaplot 3-part story arch. Three of you have already signed up, and I have 2nd GM (Tyranius) lined up to start the second table once this game wraps up. If anyone else is interested in Tyranius's table please see the recruitment post. Cheers
Gayel Nord |
https://2e.aonprd.com/Spells.aspx?ID=5
But i don't have a scroll of this.
GM Dennis |
How are folks feeling with PaizoCon coming up? Do we need to pause for the weekend, or are we good to continue?
Bardok Marsh |
Six and one-half dozen of the other for me.
GM Dennis |
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Alright, that's two votes for pausing and two no preference, so let's pause. We'll pick this up again on Tuesday.
Bardok Marsh |
Did we slot boons already? Is that still a thing in the new AcP setup?
GM Dennis |
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You don't have to slot your boons in PF2, you just have them. The only limitations are that you can only benefit from one promotional boon and one advanced boon per scenario.
GM Dennis |
Buffs for all! Also I don't think there's a time limit on using the +1.
Sorry, you're right. I had it marked in my head as being the same as the Investigator version, which does have a time limit.
Rextangalin Werzerial |
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Shouldn't we take some time to heal up first?
Rex can use Natural Medicine via his henchman at +11 but maybe someone else is better at it? I do have a few healing elixirs as well.
Inonotusoblitus |
I was sure we were at a level we could hand-wave it. Each minute, we are talking i am healing so...
Arrus |
As we discussed after the first encounter, we are actually somewhat limited in our healing options in this party.
Arrus can hit the DC 20 treat wounds with assurance but doesn't have ward medic or continual recovery. (Does have battle medicine though)
With spending at least 10 minutes to refocus I'm happy to heal Rex and assuming people's headers are up to date that should cover us.
Inonotusoblitus |
My idea is Xanno first. But if she fails, she will prepare an action to aid omble (he is expert on arcana) omble will cast guidance on both rex and Bardok if Xanno roll is a success. Rex an bardok do their action with the third action will be to prepare an aid reaction. Arrus (hireling] will be our last line of defense.
Rextangalin Werzerial |
Rex can only try diplomacy. He is not an expert in arcana or performance.
GM Dennis |
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You don't need it to be all one character. Xanno could lead with Arcana first, then Bardok and Rex could follow with Diplomacy if you'd like (or any other similar combination).
Rextangalin Werzerial |
But if Bardok has a better Diplomacy score, then wouldn't it be best for him to make both attempts? I guess the question is does subjecting more people to the hazard to try to get it done in fewer rounds make more sense or does it make more sense to only send a few and have us swap out if they get too hurt.
Bardok Marsh |
Happy to do both, but each attempt takes two actions, so we might need someone else to try it if we don't want the melody to get a chance to act.
GM Dennis |
Did we distribute the Glyph hero points?
I didn't bother asking, because I knew there were enough glyphs between Arrus and Xanno to give one to everyone. I believe only Omble has spent one so far, so he has one remaining, everyone else should have 2 (or three if they have a campaign coin). They are shown on slide 2 of the slide deck, next to your names.
GM Dennis |
Yes. There's nothing to find there aside from the staff you talked to.
GM Dennis |
Yes, since it is reaching out of its space to grab you, you can attack it's arm.
GM Dennis |
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FYI, I'm going to be away from my computer from tonight (Sunday evening, US Pacific Time / UTC-7) through Tuesday evening, so expect slow or no posts during those couple days.