Oh, sorry, I obviously forgot that (I scrolled back to the "acting/waiting" question posted afterward and no farther!). Sorry!
Just OOC, the orcs are split into 3 troops, and you can totally take them down.
Just OOC, the orcs are split into 3 troops, and you can totally take them down.
I suspect that you're right about the troops, the ogres (and ogrekin), the wolves - Wall infusion kinetic blast should be able to control the battlefield. (Also, can Naxi use her breath weapon in her bird form? I think so.)
A barbarian (or worse, anti-paladin) high enough level to be mounted on what I (as a player, not a PC) suspect is a gorgon might be more of an issue; especially with several lesser supporting characters - the witch, his 2nd in command.
I'm not at all sure the party is in the mood for genocide though. I suspect that negotiations will be tried first... The bloodshed after things drop in the pot.
Just OOC, the orcs are split into 3 troops, and you can totally take them down.I suspect that you're right about the troops, the ogres (and ogrekin), the wolves - Wall infusion kinetic blast should be able to control the battlefield. (Also, can Naxi use her breath weapon in her bird form? I think so.)
A barbarian (or worse, anti-paladin) high enough level to be mounted on what I (as a player, not a PC) suspect is a gorgon might be more of an issue; especially with several lesser supporting characters - the witch, his 2nd in command.
I'm not at all sure the party is in the mood for genocide though. I suspect that negotiations will be tried first... The bloodshed after things drop in the pot.
Pretty sure Naximarra loses her breath weapon while using beast shape, along with basically all her stuff. She could just change back into a dragon though.
Keep in mind, you're 13th level characters. Other than the troops, you're looking at CR 3 or less opponents. Even the troops alone wouldn't be a threat. The only real threats Grishmar and his second.
Btw, what makes you think the half-orc is a witch?
Btw, what makes you think the half-orc is a witch?
Because you said familiar to describe her bird in the initial post (& she doesn't seem wizard-y to me). Although later on she said "spirit animal", which pretty much pegs her as a shaman... (and I should have noticed that.)
Got it, I was under the impression there were more. I think Argea would be a little more inclined to fight in that instance then.
Because you said familiar to describe her bird in the initial post (& she doesn't seem wizard-y to me). Although later on she said "spirit animal", which pretty much pegs her as a shaman... (and I should have noticed that.)
Btw, what makes you think the half-orc is a witch?
Oh, yeah mean the old shaman lady? She's separate to the half-orc on the rhino. You don't think she's the second in command, the rhino guy is.
Got it, I was under the impression there were more. I think Argea would be a little more inclined to fight in that instance then.
In total, you see
3 orc troops (100~ orcs total)
9 orcs (not in a troop)
5 wolves
3 ogrekin
2 ogres
1 orc shaman + familiar
1 armored rhino
1 armored half-orc with shield and flail.
1 armored bull creature
1 orc general.
It's an army, for sure.
In total, you see3 orc troops (100~ orcs total)
9 orcs (not in a troop)
5 wolves
3 ogrekin
2 ogres
1 orc shaman + familiar
1 armored rhino
1 armored half-orc with shield and flail.
1 armored bull creature
1 orc general.It's an army, for sure.
Don't worry, if it comes to a fight, I will try to minimize your number of NPC's to handle ASAP...
Don't worry, if it comes to a fight, I will try to minimize your number of NPC's to handle ASAP...
In total, you see3 orc troops (100~ orcs total)
9 orcs (not in a troop)
5 wolves
3 ogrekin
2 ogres
1 orc shaman + familiar
1 armored rhino
1 armored half-orc with shield and flail.
1 armored bull creature
1 orc general.It's an army, for sure.
Strongly appreciated :P
Strongly appreciated :P
You're welcome :P
I think you need to cut down on the Japanese cartoons... :P
I think you need to cut down on the Japanese cartoons... :P
I don't watch anime, actually.
But sex and gender are broadly more fluid in Golarion, though I'm pretty sure the outcome is you're going to kill the orcs.
I think I should check before taking up the gauntlet...
AoR Questions:
1.Is beating someone to death with Kinetic blasts considered a " a test of martial strength"?
2. Is using the earth as cover by sinking nose-deep in rock using Earthglide "trickery or cowardly tactics will not be tolerated."
3. Given the stuff about buff spells, if Ulmo takes this, do we have to wait for all the buff spells he's been casting to wear off?
I think I should check before taking up the gauntlet...
AoR Questions:
1.Is beating someone to death with Kinetic blasts considered a " a test of martial strength"?2. Is using the earth as cover by sinking nose-deep in rock using Earthglide "trickery or cowardly tactics will not be tolerated."
3. Given the stuff about buff spells, if Ulmo takes this, do we have to wait for all the buff spells he's been casting to wear off?
1. If you like fly away or something and plink them to death from range, it's not. If it sounds boring to watch, it's probably that.
2. I knew at some point this would come up. I'm pretty sure you can't actually do that, according to the rules. Or away least, there aren't really rules to handle creatures partially earthglided between materials. Nor does it make a lot of sense to me - they could just hit the part of you that was poking out without any issue. But if there's an official ruling, I'm happy to see it.
3. Nope. You just get 2 more spells if you want to cast them, one by the combatant and one by someone else.
I'd probably give partial cover. I designed a creature once (for a 3PP, not Paizo) that was mostly underground, and that's how I handled it.
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I'd also note that it sounds like he's willing to put the fight off until after we defeat the giants. I assume he means the cloud giants (not all the giants), but we could wait and see if we might need to take him up on that offer later. That's what I'd advocate.
2. I knew at some point this would come up. I'm pretty sure you can't actually do that, according to the rules. Or away least, there aren't really rules to handle creatures partially earthglided between materials. Nor does it make a lot of sense to me - they could just hit the part of you that was poking out without any issue. But if there's an official ruling, I'm happy to see it.
Wouldn't you just use the rules for cover?
https://aonprd.com/Rules.aspx?Name=Cover&Category=Combat%20Modifiers
I'd probably give partial cover. I designed a creature once (for a 3PP, not Paizo) that was mostly underground, and that's how I handled it.
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I'd also note that it sounds like he's willing to put the fight off until after we defeat the giants. I assume he means the cloud giants (not all the giants), but we could wait and see if we might need to take him up on that offer later. That's what I'd advocate.
He's willing to put the year of consorting off, not the combat.
2. I knew at some point this would come up. I'm pretty sure you can't actually do that, according to the rules. Or away least, there aren't really rules to handle creatures partially earthglided between materials. Nor does it make a lot of sense to me - they could just hit the part of you that was poking out without any issue. But if there's an official ruling, I'm happy to see it.
Wouldn't you just use the rules for cover?
https://aonprd.com/Rules.aspx?Name=Cover&Category=Combat%20Modifiers
Not exclusively, no. If your face is sticking out of the rock, you're just as easy if not easier to hit.
To expand upon the earthglide thing, I haven't been able to find any definitive answers either way. But I imagine it bit like attacking from water - I wouldn't give a character waist deep in water cover vs. melee attacks. Even down to their neck, they're really not at advantage, even if they can swim. Moving in and out of the water (or earth) to avoid attacks is but would require a readied action.
Additionally, as far as I can tell by RAW you're either Earthgliding or you aren't. There's no middle ground. Earthglide is already a really strong ability. It really doesn't need to be made even stronger. Honestly it feels kind of like wallhacks - I'm really not interested in having a character just noclip through all the dungeon walls and shoot everything inside with impunity... especially since that isn't a described part of the ability.
Of course, I could be wrong on this. If there's an official answer let me know.
Got a preference on spells, Dizzy? I could do Aid, Resist Energy, Freedom of Movement, Blessing of Fervor, or Magic Vestment.
Just want to make sure, there's no way to know I'm using my hypnotic gaze, correct? (It says the creature isn't even aware it's being affected, but giving the wording -- the use is erased from its mind -- I did want to doublecheck.)
It's supernatural, but not 100 percent sure detect magic wouldn't pick it up: Supernatural abilities are magical but not spell-like. Supernatural abilities are not subject to spell resistance and do not function in areas where magic is suppressed or negated (such as an antimagic field). A supernatural ability's effect cannot be dispelled and is not subject to counterspells. See Table: Special Ability Types for a summary of the types of special abilities.
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Along those lines, depending on how much we want to parse words, I could use a mesemerist's trick on you, Dizzy. It's technically not a spell I'm casting. :) That said, I would think the orc would consider that cheating if it becomes away. But I could give you mask misery for any one of the following conditions -- fascinated, shaken, confused, dazed, frightened, sickened, cowering, nauseated, panicked, stunned -- which he might not be able to tell has been used at all.
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(While Vashta doesn't want to kill them all, playing fair is for suckers.)
Just want to make sure, there's no way to know I'm using my hypnotic gaze, correct? (It says the creature isn't even aware it's being affected, but giving the wording -- the use is erased from its mind -- I did want to doublecheck.)
It's supernatural, but not 100 percent sure detect magic wouldn't pick it up: Supernatural abilities are magical but not spell-like. Supernatural abilities are not subject to spell resistance and do not function in areas where magic is suppressed or negated (such as an antimagic field). A supernatural ability's effect cannot be dispelled and is not subject to counterspells. See Table: Special Ability Types for a summary of the types of special abilities.
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Along those lines, depending on how much we want to parse words, I could use a mesemerist's trick on you, Dizzy. It's technically not a spell I'm casting. :) That said, I would think the orc would consider that cheating if it becomes away. But I could give you mask misery for any one of the following conditions -- fascinated, shaken, confused, dazed, frightened, sickened, cowering, nauseated, panicked, stunned -- which he might not be able to tell has been used at all.
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Short of truly extraordinary exceptions, there's no way to detect your stare. Using your painful stare or more obvious penalties might become apparent that something was going on, though the source would be nigh impossible to determine. I don't think it creates a magic aura, either.
In regards to implanting a trick, I don't think there's a way to detect the trick itself, though if you want to be cautious you could use sleight of hand.
Oh yeah, and with your first sense motive, Grishmar is excited and impatient to get started.
I'll take FoM from Argea, and I'll cast Anticipate Thoughts on myself.
Consider it done!
You know, Uriah is seriously thinking of stopping the combat and calling this a cheat, but I'm not sure that works in the game's interest...
You know, Uriah is seriously thinking of stopping the combat and calling this a cheat, but I'm not sure that works in the game's interest...
By this, you mean the invisibility? Or the raging song?
He can if he wants. The Orcs don't seem to see it as one, you don't know if they'd have done the same had Dizzy cast a similar spell.
In Uriah's experience, Orcs are quick to use any advantage available to them and to stack the deck in their favor, and call even honest defeat cheating. You don't know about these particular orcs.
Well, raging song is a SU effect being generated outside the arena. I'd certainly call it a cheat in these circumstances.
A question here for AoR; I'm assuming we're off script here (from the revised module). We were supposed to get some information from the "Sczarni", and this is the backup plan. So you're probably making this all up. Would your life be simplified if we didn't have a horde of temporary orc allies?
Well, raging song is a SU effect being generated outside the arena. I'd certainly call it a cheat in these circumstances.
A question here for AoR; I'm assuming we're off script here (from the revised module). We were supposed to get some information from the "Sczarni", and this is the backup plan. So you're probably making this all up. Would your life be simplified if we didn't have a horde of temporary orc allies?
He offered Raging Song to both competitors equally. It's up to Dizzy to take it or not. And yeah, it's definitely unfair.
The "Sczarni" weren't even part of the module originally, though I plan to add them in as an optional side encounter.
The Orcs are an encounter I pulled from elsewhere. My other party is teleporting to Janderhoff, so basically high level parties immediately diverge. This is something I'm okay with though. Getting to Ashpeak is part of the challenge.
Oh yeah, and the giant dragonhunters weren't originally part of it either. But I'm going to add them in too as an optional side encounter.
So saying we're off script is correct, but it's not really an issue for me.
In regards to the orc allies, I'm not too worried yet. They're on foot and very hard to transport, so you can't really just bring them wherever with you.
I'm just waiting on Argea. Will post in a day or so regardless.
Sorry team, haven't put up a battle map yet (no time) and this fight will almost certainly need one unless Dizzy one-shots the guy.
In the meantime, can everyone list the spells and abilities they have active, for my convenience?
Trevil current effects summary
Internal Buffer is at 2, from the night before.
5 points of burn
1 pts burn into Flesh of stone (DR 7 Admantine),
3 pts burn into shroud of water (armor bonus = 9),
1 pt of burn into Shimmering Mirage (20% miss chance)
Elemental Overflow = +5 to Hit, +10 to damage with Kinetic Blast, +4 to dex, +2 to Con & Str (Size bonuses), 25% negate critical hits
Mask Misery Trick from Vashta
Combat Status Summary
Move 50
Init +4 = +6 (Dex incl EO)
HP 191 =13*7 (con, including EO)+8+ 12*4.5+12 (FCB)+13 (toughnes)
Damage = 65 (non lethal, burn)
Effective HP 126
Resist Fire 5 Cold 5 Electricity 5
DR 7/Admantine
25% chance of negating critical hits
AC : 33 = 10 + 6 (dex incl EO)+3(Wis)+9(Shroud of Water, Armor) + 2 (Shield, Ring of Force Shield) +2 (Ring of Protection, Deflection) +1 (small)
20% miss chance
Fortitude +21 = +2 (Monk 1) +8 (kineticist 12) +3 (enhancement)+8 (Con)
Reflex +19 = +2 (Monk 1)+8 (kineticist 12) +3 (enhancement)+6 (Dex)+
Will +15 = +2 (Monk 1) +4 (kineticist 12) +3 (enhancement)+3 (Wis)+2 (Elemental Whispers)+1 (Trait)
Effective To hit with Kinetic Blast +9 (bab)+6 (dex) +1 (Weapon Focus) +5 Elemental Overflow +1 small + 1 (Competence, Ioun Stone) = +23
I have no active spells at the moment.
I have a hypnotic stare on the orc, if possible (but it may not be depending on range).
Plus the following tricks are in place: Mask misery for Trevil, compel alacrity for Ulmo, and mesmeric mirror for myself.
See Invisibility
Magic Vestment
Heightened Awareness
Sadly, legacy weapon would have worn off
No active spells or abilities.
Greater Magic Weapon on Stellar Reckoning
Magic Vestment on her armor
Eaglesoul on herself
Stoneskin (Su) on herself
I'd cast Communal Resist Fire on the party before we met Naximmara, I'm assuming it's been more than 20 minutes since that, right?
I have something in my tagline for that.
I'd cast Communal Resist Fire on the party before we met Naximmara, I'm assuming it's been more than 20 minutes since that, right?
Yeah, you rode for hours on her back.
I have something in my tagline for that.
You do, and it's hugely appreciated! Mostly making sure that everything is up to date on everyone before I make any assumptions.
I have something in my tagline for that.
I thought you took Freedom of Movement from Argea, and I don't see it in there.
I knew I was missing something!
Sorry folks, appreciate your patience. I've had a lot going on lately, will try to get a post up on the next 24 hours if at all possible *fingers crossed*
FYI all, I'm dead in my soul currently. My posting rate will most likely be affected.
FYI all, I'm dead in my soul currently. My posting rate will most likely be affected.
Really sorry to hear that. Wish you the best
Hopefully things get better. Take your time.
Sorry to hear. Hope things improve soon!
So... I am still alive. Sorry, things got a bit grim for a bit there.
For those who have done PbP with me in the past, I always bounce back, eventually. I can't give you an ETA on when I'll post - hopefully soon.
But if you don't give up on me, I won't give up on you :)
Hope everything gets better for ya.
I'm back now. I was sans internet since Friday.
I'm back now. I was sans internet since Friday.
Glad to have you back!
I'm still clawing my way back, but I am still alive and devoted to the game.
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Hey, so the rumors of my death were slightly exaggerated. I'm back, and I've updated the battle map link. It looks pretty great, I've got to admit.
Also a new shiny post is up, finally...
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And with stranger aeons, even death may die...
And with stranger aeons, even death may die...
A much better AP, admittedly.