
GM Chyro |

If by 21:00 there's no post i'm pushing forward.
There's mystery to be uncovered and villains to be thwarted.

Thorn Dulani |

Its in the feat and the base rules.
Bleeding Attack (Combat)
Your unarmed strikes cause your opponent to bleed.
Prerequisites: Improved Unarmed Strike.
Benefit: When you damage an opponent with an unarmed strike, you deal an extra 1d4 bleed damage.
Special: This ability does not stack with other special abilities, attacks, or items that allow you to deal bleed damage.
Bleed
A creature that is taking bleed damage takes the listed amount of damage at the beginning of its turn. Bleeding can be stopped by a DC 15 Heal check or through the application of any spell that cures hit point damage (even if the bleed is ability damage). Some bleed effects cause ability damage or even ability drain. Bleed effects do not stack with each other unless they deal different kinds of damage. When two or more bleed effects deal the same kind of damage, take the worse effect. In this case, ability drain is worse than ability damage.

GM Chyro |

Grint, with glitterdust you can make a willsave at the end of your turn to remove the blinding.
DC 17 will, you take -1 penalty though.

Jadwiga Elsa Harcatha |

If its his judgement, it lasts as long as the fight....its like smite evil.

GM Chyro |

At least you were right about the laughing, Thorn.
With a little luck, there will be more laughing to come.

GM Chyro |

I think we've lost Tessa.
There's been posting with other aliases, but none here.
I've sent a PM, but if there's no reaction tomorrow, i'm sending an invite to the one with the oracle.
Who's a regular poster to boot.

Thorn Dulani |

As far as Tessa, its more all the posts seem like quick snippets all around 6 am-ish. Likely similar to myself on the weekend where I couldn't post anything because I was too tired.

GM Chyro |

Oracle?
Now mr Dulani....don't be so concerned ^^
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But even if it's snippets, not posting in 2 days without a comment, but taking the time for posting on other aliases gives me the impression Tessa's not in the mood to continue.

Thorn Dulani |

Y'kno its funny, I specifically didnt make Thorn a certain way because I believed the creatures would be of a certain difficulty/level but then something like this.. wants me to adjust him accordingly. AC higher than mine, weird attacks that make you reroll, and getting beat down with little recourse, basically made to look like a chump.
I needed a 15 or higher to strike that guy. and I am a Tank/Frontliner type.

GM Chyro |

Granted, his mook buddies were part of his success in combat.
But in the end, he's still but 1 vs 5, with Elsa being his greatest threat.

Grint Mavric |

Low Touch AC you mean and probably a low will save. Though I'm not sure about the last part as he reminds me of a buffed monk with Mage Armour/Shield. Though he couldn't use Shield unless he has a rank in a mage class or UMD as Shield has a self-range only.

GM Chyro |

He didn't need to cast it by himself per sé.

GM Chyro |

Oh? :)
What sort of enemy did you expect to meet, that you made Thorn melee's style this way and now switch? :)
Edit:
The other player will be popping into discussion after tweaking the char.

Jadwiga Elsa Harcatha |

Or he had a potion of Shield...
@Thorn You don't have to always be successful in every combat. Failure is ok...

Thorn Dulani |

Hrm, No I just made Thorn much weaker than he could have been is all. In general I expected to hit on avg against an almost equal melee opponent. A heftier one he ofcourse would buff or otherwise. ( Like an opponent who is obviously in Heavier armor )
The sudden reroll did leave a bad taste but that was more from the fact it seemed to only affect Thorn and it had no save nor did he roll a crit... yet It did nothing to Burdock... and he rolled similar.
@ Elsa, there is a difference between success and unnatural failure. Not doing what you are supposed to do is NEVER good. If that is not applicable is a different case.
There is no such thing as a potion of shield.

GM Chyro |

Well not all enemies would stand and get hit.
Sudden rerolls can happen, where's the fun if everything goes as planned?
Just like you guys pull off amazing feats, an occasional npc baddie can too. Plus the good guys whoop the baddies' asses 99,99% of the time.
Just in another game, i'm a meatshield, but i've been debuffed plenty of times & Elsa almost eviscerated me. I roll high on dmg and failed plenty of times too ^^.
I've had, and am having still, a great time with it.

Jadwiga Elsa Harcatha |

Why is there no potion of shield?

Thorn Dulani |

I didnt say they would stand and get hit.. he clearly got hit, but for some reason it all affected Thorn...and no one else.
As far as amazing feats... I can't really comment on that... as that seems more player driven. You can do amazing things because of your class, abilities or choices.
Being debuffed because you failed a spell? Fine, a effect? Cool. Thats part of the game.

GM Chyro |

There's plenty of other means, he did mention he was working for someone.
The enforcers are provided by employers to some degree.

GM Chyro |

The 2nd line, there's potions, magics for protection.
Which doesn't mean he's solely self-dependent.
He's an enforcer for more powerful people, people who want the party to keep out of their yard.

Jadwiga Elsa Harcatha |

You can't brew a potion of Shield?

Thorn Dulani |

Nope you cant brew a potion of ANY personal only spell, which is why the only ways of getting it are through a casting class, UMD or an infusion from an alchemist I suppose. Thats why them having Shield is so great.
But as far as what pertained to Thorn. IF you wanted the guy to not get hit by him, It would have been better to just say so.. then have the illusion of choice be submitted.. but not have it happen. That way it wouldnt seem like the character is bumbling around. I could have just attacked someone else.

GM Chyro |

I've read an expression or line some time ago.
'The biggest leaps in human creativity and inventions come in times of strife. They can be defensive, but more often eerily destructive.'
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It's possible that, somewhere in land 'X', someone is developing something the rest of the world doesn't have.
Doc Tromp, early in the game, had been working right under the city's nose on that destructive aspect.
Edit:
Why would i decide who you can and cannot hit?
He's hostile and thus a valid target, but he's also a character with a personality to do things.
Villains and minions....they can be as secretive, loathsome or arrogant as they wish to be.

Thorn Dulani |

Because thats what it felt like.
Im all for personality, but there are VERY few reroll abilities and most if not all are not once a day period, Thorn has already gone through strife, not to say he cant not go through it again, but seemingly chumped by a guy.. who with all your training and devotion evaded all your strikes isnt a good feeling. The character ALREADY has a low self esteem.

GM Chyro |

Heroic deeds and grateful folk usually change that.
The latter you just scored points for.
Moreso when you solve the situation troubling this hamlet.

Thorn Dulani |

Cant do that unconscious and bleeding... which I might have discovered.. I may not be. Looking at the numbers again. THAT is a big determining factor.
Yes, Heroic Deeds,
I'm just going to chock this one up as Thorn being the punching bag here, but the change is still pertinent. Father Burdock Striked but he did not.

Thorn Dulani |

... Yeah somehow you had me taking more damage.. than I did, Thorn was still at 12 before Knux hit or 8 because Bleeding happens on his turn, So either Torn would have been at 2 or 6 after the hit. Im not going to bother making an AoO however, as you have established this guy isnt supposed to be taken out.

Sivar Soulscar |

Hello all
Dual cursed Oracle of Battle... wasting Disease and Tongues
Sivar here, look over this guy and see if there's anything you object to or think could be done.
And Thorn ask el GM here about him and greataxes vs my Paladin.. multiple times.

Thorn Dulani |

What does that have to do with anything, Did your paladin Use a Greataxe that would crit and then suddenly not.. but other peoples did? Also with your character I have to change Thorn even more as basically you are a better version of what he currently is.

Jadwiga Elsa Harcatha |

@Sivar Cool. Looks good, we now have two bruisers.
Re:Shield Potions. I've never known that....in fact, I now choose to ignore that I know that in Pathfinder games that I run, which won't be too many more.

GM Chyro |

Too much dmg?
Start: 35
Round 2
Knuckles: -8 dmg
Knuckles AoO: -7
-------------------> 20
Round 3:
-4 bleed
Heal +2
AoO Knuckles -4
AoO Red -8
-------------------> 6
Round 4:
Bleed -4
Heal +2
Knuckles -6
--------------------> -2
Aftermath:
-1 bleed.
+2 heal and stable. --> -1
Edit:
Thorn, for all the dicebots care, you roll better than he does.
Don't tell me you lack faith in yourself?
There's no consistency with hitting, whatever build. ;)
I should mention that, after reading into the min-maxer concepts, i'm no fan of it.
This for one, is an example.

Thorn Dulani |

Thorn, for all the dicebots care, you roll better than he does.
Don't tell me you lack faith in yourself?There's no consistency with hitting, whatever build. ;)
Faith had nothing to do with what happened. If we rolled the same numbers I somehow missed and he hit.. alot.

GM Chyro |

Clarification;
That 'for all dicebots care', applied to your view of the oracle's build and wanting to tune your char.

Thorn Dulani |

How about the damage?
As for the oracle its an observation that is factually true. Having the same niche/build/area means some things must be tweaked one way or the other. A good example of the dice not mattering was that Last combat.. Sure I rolled well.. but it didnt matter. The number at then end was either too low or negated. Father Burdock hit though.

Thorn Dulani |

As far as the Oracle I did note the HP was higher than normal but overall its good.
As for Knuckles, doesnt make the fact I took more damage than needed away.. unless he had another special ability when it came to attacking Thorn.

GM Chyro |

None, the prone condition was the problem mostly.