Yes, well if it doesn't work on glass, it shouldn't work on tybalt, who still functions in most biological ways.
Shatter works on glass golems
If it works on a human, it works on me.
If it doesn't, it doesn't.
Let's not complicate things, shall we?
:)
Disease doesn't as per your new template... you are wanting to be realistic on what ice does....
Btw I've been ice carving as part of my final.... ice is fragile,
Take the good with the bad bro ;)
Oh goodness, don't even go into how "fragile" ice is.
Hyper-compressed ice, found in glaciers, is harder then stone.
His body temperature is -40, despite ice being very resistant to going below freezing at all.
This is magic.
Seriously, if you want to "take the good with the bad" name one reason why we would keep a insane psychopath here at the school?
further, if you want that, you'd have to give him hardness, too.
Heck, even humans would get hardness, as a corpse has hardness.
Oh goodness, don't even go into how "fragile" ice is.
Hyper-compressed ice, found in glaciers, is harder then stone.
His body temperature is -40, despite ice being very resistant to going below freezing at all.
This is magic.
Seriously, if you want to "take the good with the bad" name one reason why we would keep a insane psychopath here at the school?
Where would you put a man who literally can break out of any prison, and harm hundreds of people...?
A prison, (Where he would escape within a week), or a school with magical wards that stop him from hurting people?
also... Riviarti already knows her entire race's past, can see into the past, can divine the future, Why is she at a school?
dont start it, I was pointing something out that actually pertains to his new template, whereas you are just throwing another temper tantrum because My 100% fictional character was mean to your Also 100% fictional character
further, if you want that, you'd have to give him hardness, too.
Heck, even humans would get hardness, as a corpse has hardness.
humans are the base that every other creature is compared to...
You put him In the ground.
Riviarti can see /seconds/ into the future, rarely.
Her time-sight is unstable.
Her race's past is ingrained in instinct. It's really complicated.
However, she still has a ton to learn.
And no, what I'm saying is this- a degree of suspension of disbelief is always required.
humans are the base that every other creature is compared to...further, if you want that, you'd have to give him hardness, too.
Heck, even humans would get hardness, as a corpse has hardness.
Ice has hardness, so he should get harness.
But ice is brittle, so he shouldn't, and should be weak.
Seriously, he's fine being treated as human.
The only change he made was immunity to desease.
You put him In the ground.
so, he shouldn't get any help with controlling his emotions, he shouldnt be rehabilitated, you kill him... okay...
I assume that means that Royston is the only person in the game you wouldn't kill... because he has no emotion?
Even Ryleh went off the deep end and killed people...
No, if he doesn't learn and is a serial killer, and has always been a serial killer....
Ok, you know what, I'm done.
You aren't worth arguing with.
No, if he doesn't learn and is a serial killer, and has always been a serial killer....
Ok, you know what, I'm done.
You aren't worth arguing with.
He has only been there (in game) for two weeks... Not everyone has a deep emotional breakthrough with themselves in the time it takes for a package to get mailed...
Places to put Renkai:
Hell.
The Abyss.
The NE prison plane.
Abbadon.
A specific demi plane crafted to be a prison.
The very bottom of the Pit of Gormuz.
The badass prison island in Ebberon
That enough?
Places to put Renkai:
Hell.
The Abyss.
The NE prison plane.
Abbadon.
A specific demi plane crafted to be a prison.
The very bottom of the Pit of Gormuz.
The badass prison island in Ebberon
That enough?
Hell, Abbadon, Demi-plane (Possibly, depending on the specifics)
are all possible choices, and when he escapes (he's a PC, its going to happen) he is going to hunt whoever put him there down
You didn't even try to escape my maze/prison
No, I didn't
..
Ok.
I'm calm. I'll pitch this calmly to make my point properly.
One, you take everything i say out of the way i mean it.
In those two weeks, how many times has renkai attempted murder?
In any normal setting, how many attempted murders should you be allowed to attempt until your just put in the ground?
If we think that he'd kill hundreds if he wasn't here, /why let him be here/, or there.
Suspension of disbelief
That thing that allows magic to exist.
That thing that tybalt wants to use for a /very/ minor thing, yet you try to deny him.
Is my point.
Also, ”because pc" is not a solid argument, as "because pc" is the same thing as suspension of disbelief.
One: if you mean it a specific way, state it in a way where what you mean is absolutely clear.
Two: murder... twice? Roughly...
Questions of setting depends on the setting
And I am not trying to deny him anything... I'm telling him his cheese-tastic way of stopping all damage wouldn't always work...
Because PC is a very solid argument.... my PC cannot be killed just because you want him dead, and as a rogue no prison can hold him, he'll just take 20/10 as he needs to....
No, what i mean by "because pc" escaping the abyss, or hell, or abbadon.
I never said he could be killed because i want him dead. No, that would suck. A lot. I don't want him dead.
I'm saying suspension of disbelief is the reason he /isn't/ dead.
Second, his way wasn't "cheese tastic" it was perfectly reasonable. Immunity to An elemental damage? So what? He's a warlock, in Avalon. How is this broken?
Also, pointing out that he is still hurt by sonic does not equal he needs to be weak to shout or shatter.
Third, he doesn't even /have/ that ablity....
No, what i mean by "because pc" escaping the abyss, or hell, or abbadon.
I never said he could be killed because i want him dead. No, that would suck. A lot. I don't want him dead.
I'm saying suspension of disbelief is the reason he /isn't/ dead.
Second, his way wasn't "cheese tastic" it was perfectly reasonable. Immunity to An elemental damage? So what? He's a warlock, in Avalon. How is this broken?
Also, pointing out that he is still hurt by sonic does not equal he needs to be weak to shout or shatter.
Have you not seen renkai attack...? Tearing through hell is very reasonable for him... it'd take multiple balor to stop him...
Its cheesy to go: I resist 3x16 energy per round of every element.
And giving him a weakness would be realistic and make him more believable...
All of my characters have weaknesses. All of them.
If you think Renkai doesn't.... you're wrong...
Ok, here's another example of suspension of disbelief-
Hide in plain sight.
A non-magical ability that allows toy to be literally staring into someone's face, two inches from them, and they still not see you.
Have you not seen renkai attack...? Tearing through hell is very reasonable for him... it'd take multiple balor to stop him...Its cheesy to go: I resist 3x16 energy per round of every element.
And giving him a weakness would be realistic and make him more believable...
All of my characters have weaknesses. All of them.
If you think Renkai doesn't.... you're wrong...
Joy, you're immune to energy magic.
That's not cheese.
Heck, i could have all immunities that a iron golem has as a 16th level warlock.
(All magic that offers sr)
As one of the normal warlock powers.
There is still so many things that can kill you.
Rena, to my knowledge, is immune to every element.
Tybalt's weakness is a lack of any super-strength.
One: if you mean it a specific way, state it in a way where what you mean is absolutely clear.
Two: murder... twice? Roughly...
Questions of setting depends on the setting
And I am not trying to deny him anything... I'm telling him his cheese-tastic way of stopping all damage wouldn't always work...
Because PC is a very solid argument.... my PC cannot be killed just because you want him dead, and as a rogue no prison can hold him, he'll just take 20/10 as he needs to....
In a good prison you should never have time. Unless you hve an ability that allows for one being made as a standard. Normally taking 10/ 20 takes to long for a decent prison. I great prison you would never be able to escape.
Example: A prison that they take your soul and turn your body in to a statue. ♪Nobody. Nobody gets out alive.♪
Would superman be less believable if kriponite didn't exist? Not really- he's pretty unbelievable either way.
Weakness does not equal believably.
Oh, and no matter how many demons or devils you fight, there is no "gate to the underworld" in the setting.
The plane is endless, and there is no way out without magic.
Also, humans must be unbelievable.
The don't have any specific weakness.
I'm off. I'm getting upset again.
I can take ten as a standard...
There is a gate to the underworld
The endless stair. Goes to every plane, finding it is difficult and dangerous but possible
I don't have the new one.
Disease just made sense because microorganisms don't live in the cold...
I don't have the new one.
Disease just made sense because microorganisms don't live in the cold...
Microorganisms can live on asteroids in space.
So you're saying renkai, unarmed, tied up, unarmored,, probably naked, possibly in anti magic to begin with, could escape hell jail and beet up ballors... Right...
Unarmed: Monk damage 2d6
Tied up: Escape Artist
Unarmored: doesn't wear that much armor anyway
Antimagic would only cover a certain area... 30ft move
Escape hell jail: disable device
Beat up balors: no that's why it would take balors to stop me
First time I've heard of this 'endless stairs' thing, except in Mario64...
Its in one of the D&D books... its a staircase through the planes, and it is ridiculously dangerous....
My dm had the party use it to escape heaven
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So you're saying renkai, unarmed, tied up, unarmored,, probably naked, possibly in anti magic to begin with, could escape hell jail and beet up ballors... Right...Unarmed: Monk damage 2d6
Tied up: Escape Artist
Unarmored: doesn't wear that much armor anyway
Antimagic would only cover a certain area... 30ft move
Escape hell jail: disable device
Beat up balors: no that's why it would take balors to stop me
spiked manicles/tethers, deal damage each time you attempt to escape, make them out of mithril, andamanite, living metal or some hell metal, 20s do not auto succeed, and you can no longer take 20,
And I meant antimagic in the jail cell itself,
In other words: I don't like that you can beat this so, DM says no.
Rock falls you die
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In other words: I don't like that you can beat this so, DM says no.
Rock falls you die
This is just plain silly.
DM fiat would be putting a person as dangerous as Renkai supposedly is, anywhere near an egress point out of whatever plane he's stuck in.
DM fiat would be him not being watched 24/7 or being tortured 24/7 or other wise being occupied 24/7.
If he was sent to hell, he'd be constantly watched, messed with and would be years' travel from any portal out. They may not even put him in a cell, just think let him think he got out and is escaping, and watch him walk endlessly for years to get to where he thinks the exit is.
No matter how crafty Renkai thinks he is, there are lords of hell who have been far craftier, for far longer.
In short, it would be far likelier to be DM fiat to allow a 16 year old kid, no matter his power level, to escape Hell, the Abyss, etc. by himself.
Immune mind effecting capable of teleporting and capable of escaping bounds
I'm sure it'd be difficult and very dangerous. But flat out saying
This is a pair of manacles DC 100 to escape, no Nat 20
Is bs
Yes I admit that the demons are crafty but why would a 16 year old be watched by a demon lord?
Everyone there is trying to escape
Calling in a demon lord is just as much GM fiat as rock falls you die.
Natural 20's do not auto succeed skill checks.
Never have, never will.
A 16 year old as strong as Renkai would be worth keeping. Souls are currency, after all.
This.
Your soul is worth at least 5000+ gp, if not in the "true legend" section-
A priceless soul.
No, its not.
I'm not suggesting that Dagon, or Orcus, etc. is sitting outside your cell watching you
If he's proven that no other place can hold him, that he has to be sent to a place like that as a last resort, you better believe he'd garner that kind of attention. Even if it's for no other reason than entertainment. A demon lord has the minions and resources to keep you busy, and not really effect them in any meaningful way.
You don't get to play both sides of the argument.
"No prison can hold me" and "I'm just a 16 year old kid".
No, its not.
I'm not suggesting that Dagon, or Orcus, etc. is sitting outside your cell watching you
If he's proven that no other place can hold him, that he has to be sent to a place like that as a last resort, you better believe he'd garner that kind of attention. Even if it's for no other reason than entertainment. A demon lord has the minions and resources to keep you busy, and not really effect them in any meaningful way.You don't get to play both sides of the argument.
"No prison can hold me" and "I'm just a 16 year old kid".
Why not, you do.
"No 16 year old, NO MATTER HOW POWERFUL, can escape hell.
Well I'm tired of everyone jumping onto my back no matter what I say/do/think.
everyone else can throw out their opinions and they get feedback from nice polite people...
when I speak I may as well have punched someone in the throat, because I'm always in the wrong.