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Did everyone leave with Professor Vare off the roof? I figured the three remained up there for less than a minute, maybe thirty or so seconds?
Please advise if you three on the roof remained longer than five minutes.
Enjoy the day/evening, folks. I think we can all agree life is too short to waste arguing on the Internet, as usual, I trust?
Will check back again later.
On save dc's-
To learn, prepare, or cast a spell, the wizard must have an Intelligence score equal to at least 10 + the spell level. The Difficulty Class for a saving throw against a wizard's spell is 10 + the spell level + the wizard's Intelligence modifier.
Now, a potion, like a wand, doesn't use a int score when casting, if i remember correctly, so it's save dc would be 10+3+0, or 13.
It's a potion.
If it were a formulae it would be that.
Because it is a potion, 10+spell level+minimum caster level for the the spell.
It's a potion.
If it were a formulae it would be that.
Because it is a potion, 10+spell level+minimum caster level for the the spell.
CL doesn't set DC.
From the alchemist page-
To learn or use an extract, an alchemist must have an Intelligence score equal to at least 10 + the extract’s level. The Difficulty Class for a saving throw against an alchemist’s extract is 10 + the extract level + the alchemist’s Intelligence modifier
This means that raelle passes on everything but a one.
It's a potion.
If it were a formulae it would be that.
Because it is a potion, 10+spell level+minimum caster level for the the spell.CL doesn't set DC.
From the alchemist page-
To learn or use an extract, an alchemist must have an Intelligence score equal to at least 10 + the extract’s level. The Difficulty Class for a saving throw against an alchemist’s extract is 10 + the extract level + the alchemist’s Intelligence modifier
So... ten plus int plus level of spell he used
So... ten plus int plus level of spell he used
Nope.
Int is not taken into account with items, except scrolls, staff and special items that state their save dc.Scrolls and staffs use the user's int.
So it is /just/ 10+spell level.
(I obsessively memorize all the rules.)
Actually in the bolded section there it includes Int so I'm pretty sure that it does get to include the alchemist's Int modifier or they wouldn't have included that text. Thanks by the way for finding that and quoting it. Saves me a lot of time. I'd gotten a bit mixed up on the alchemist rules. I've never played one so I don't know them as well as I should.
Actually in the bolded section there it includes Int so I'm pretty sure that it does get to include the alchemist's Int modifier or they wouldn't have included that text. Thanks by the way for finding that and quoting it. Saves me a lot of time. I'd gotten a bit mixed up on the alchemist rules. I've never played one so I don't know them as well as I should.
Potion was used, not an infusion.
He stated it was a potion...
Ah well, of it's going to fail, so be it.
I was just hoping igni could finally figure out what his abilities do here, but he still doesn't know of them.
Okay, now I'm confused again. Potion and extract are different?
Is it just me, or do my charecters, whenever they have their /first/ chance to show what they can do, they always fail?
Okay, now I'm confused again. Potion and extract are different?
Yes, very.
Potions are permanent things.
Rules for creating potions-
Benefit: You can create a potion of any 3rd-level or lower spell that you know and that targets one or more creatures or objects. Brewing a potion takes 2 hours if its base price is 250 gp or less, otherwise brewing a potion takes 1 day for each 1,000 gp in its base price. When you create a potion, you set the caster level, which must be sufficient to cast the spell in question and no higher than your own level. To brew a potion, you must use up raw materials costing one half this base price.
When you create a potion, you make any choices that you would normally make when casting the spell. Whoever drinks the potion is the target of the spell.
Think of it as a one-use wand that requires no UMD to use.
Okay, now I'm confused again. Potion and extract are different?
He definitely would use the more powerful... even if he didn't use the proper term....
From the Magic Items page, because he is using POTIONS and not FORMULAE.
*Capitalized for specificity*
Magic items produce spells or spell-like effects. For a saving throw against a spell or spell-like effect from a magic item, the DC is 10 + the level of the spell or effect + the ability modifier of the minimum ability score needed to cast that level of spell.
Staves are an exception to the rule. Treat the saving throw as if the wielder cast the spell, including caster level and all modifiers to save DCs.
Most item descriptions give saving throw DCs for various effects, particularly when the effect has no exact spell equivalent (making its level otherwise difficult to determine quickly).
Technically, Alchemists cannot make this as it is not listed.
It's level 2 for bard level 3 for wiz/sor.If we say it's 2nd, then he would need 10+2 which is twelve and a +1 modifier. So the save is 10+2+1=13
If we go with 3rd level, that's 10+3=13 odd so the mod is still +1. The save would be 10+3+1=14
And that's what you need to kno-o-ow. :)
Hay, he said it, and he's playing an alchemist. He should know the rules well enough, so he should mean what he says.
why are we analyzing a STORY element?
From the Magic Items page, because he is using POTIONS and not FORMULAE.
*Capitalized for specificity*Magic items produce spells or spell-like effects. For a saving throw against a spell or spell-like effect from a magic item, the DC is 10 + the level of the spell or effect + the ability modifier of the minimum ability score needed to cast that level of spell.
Staves are an exception to the rule. Treat the saving throw as if the wielder cast the spell, including caster level and all modifiers to save DCs.
Most item descriptions give saving throw DCs for various effects, particularly when the effect has no exact spell equivalent (making its level otherwise difficult to determine quickly).
Technically, Alchemists cannot make this as it is not listed.
It's level 2 for bard level 3 for wiz/sor.
If we say it's 2nd, then he would need 10+2 which is twelve and a +1 modifier. So the save is 10+2+1=13If we go with 3rd level, that's 10+3=13 odd so the mod is still +1. The save would be 10+3+1=14
And that's what you need to kno-o-ow. :)
Alchemists get the ability to make potions at lv 1. It is a exception to the rule of 3rd CL requirement and they use craft alchemy to make them.
Okay stop arguing....
Read formulas:
Any wizard spell can become an extract
why are we analyzing a STORY element?
Simple- we are tying to find out whether a save passes or fails.
Because whether Raelle makes this save or not is also a story element for Igni. :)
Okay stop arguing....
Read formulas:
Any wizard spell can become an extract
EDIT-
Actually, I'm done arguing.I was trying to resolve this with the actual rules and a literal interpretation, but this is rules light-
Let lyn do what she wants.
actually I was think of having Mel flirt with boy version of raelle he is kind of cute...
Actually subtle difference, items use minimum ability modifier, they don't remove them
Dc 14 then instead of 13.
actually I was think of having Mel flirt with boy version of raelle he is kind of cute...
Because you're that cruel?
actually I was think of having Mel flirt with boy version of raelle he is kind of cute...Because you're that cruel?
No, because it would be something to laugh about later..
especially if it is all done for fun, and raelle knows that it is just fun.
Anyway, I'm sorry lyn for the tangent. It's up to you how to interpret this, and for you to decide what is best for our charecters.
I trust you, GM, to make the best decision.
Sorry again for the tangent, I'll try to keep the rules talk to the new rant thread from now on.
Alright, well, I think that as it was described as a potion (and after reading up a bit on extracts so I could be sure of my information) then I'm going with the DC 14 save which means Igni's attempt was successful. I'll write the post in a bit. Either way Loki got his joke, so it should be fine I think.
Sorry about the lengthy 'debate'. Since I was balancing two characters abilities against each other, I wanted to be sure of what each could do. (It's not arguing if the GM asks for the info. :P)
I have found the most graphically impressive game ever.
Reading "fully pvp" makes me want to walk outside, fake punch someone, then yell "level up!" In a crowded street.
Am I the only one that doesn't look at TVtropes frequently?
Am I the only one that doesn't look at TVtropes frequently?
yes
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pretty muchAm I the only one that doesn't look at TVtropes frequently?yes
Yes.
Vocal Alteration also gives a fort save DC 11, as it is lv. 1.
:)
I wonder how Ardiente would've reacted to briefly having a boyfriend....
Vocal Alteration also gives a fort save DC 11, as it is lv. 1.
:)
I only let her save vs one of the effects with that ablity.
You know what I seriously hate with an extreme passion?
Getting a pistachio in a nigh uncrackable shell. I have one right now, and its driving me nuts.
I could just not eat it, but I **MUST** conquer it!
Heh.
Driving you /nuts/
Heh.
You know what I seriously hate with an extreme passion?
Getting a pistachio in a nigh uncrackable shell. I have one right now, and its driving me nuts.
I could just not eat it, but I **MUST** conquer it!
Don't bust a gasket... grab a pair of pliers and squeeze
Does it have any chink at all or is it full shell all around?
I wonder how Ardiente would've reacted to briefly having a boyfriend....
Heh. Her brain was still female...and she's really into him so I don't know how she would have dealt with experiencing certain aspects of male anatomy...yeah, that would have been pretty traumatizing for her. :P
*singsong voice*
"I did a good thing! I did a good thing!"
freezes in place, and looks around the room.
"You never saw that, unless you don't want your face anymore."
Dave, emotional kitty awaits your response.
I wonder how Ardiente would've reacted to briefly having a boyfriend....Heh. Her brain was still female...and she's really into him so I don't know how she would have dealt with experiencing certain aspects of male anatomy...yeah, that would have been pretty traumatizing for her. :P
I CAN'T RESIST THE URGE!!!!!!!!!
Hey Raelle, is that a carrot in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?
I wonder how Ardiente would've reacted to briefly ha ving a boyfriend....Heh. Her brain was still female...and she's really into him so I don't know how she would have dealt with experiencing certain aspects of male anatomy...yeah, that would have been pretty traumatizing for her. :P
I might be TG sensitive but I'm not so sure how a young impressionable Firebird would deal with that. Hehehe.