Updated Ghost-Faced Killer is GM approved.
Looks quite stealthy!
Depending on how things go I might change plans again...
Are you heading to the Abandoned Cutyard now, or did you have anything else you wanted to take care of first?
Warning one or two people I think is the plan.
I may be on and offline over the weekend.
I'm confused, are Ulark and Joanne running around warning people with Micheo and Dugan... I was under the impression the rest of us, including the most recognizable members of our group, weren't going into town? Maybe I picked that up wrong though
<shrugs> Dunno. Figured I’d post here and there to show I’m alive. Can easily retcon it to say that he is laying low.
I had gotten the impression that everyone was sticking together but trying to move inconspicuously.
You haven't attracted any unwanted attention yet, so if you want to disperse or simply leave town now, we can switch the course of action.
Ah ok, I'll chime in tomorrow.
I was under the same impression Inconnu, but I think when it came time to do the warning, folks changed their minds.
Same impression here but I'm not upset by the ensuing decision to stay together.
Before I go off an make a suggestion that moves us away from prepared/intended plot territory are you expecting us to investigate further to expand the case or make a trek to Almas?
To be honest, I'm not expecting anything at this point. I am simply waiting to see where you guys take things.
This mini-AP has essentially evolved into a regional sandbox adventure, and I'm having fun adapting the sourcebooks to accommodate the new directions you guys explore.
Also, for clarification, the Eagle Knight base is at Adamas, a stronghold about a day's travel south of Falcon's Hollow, rather than all the way in Almas, the Andoren capital. However, I can see now how similar the names are.
With this talk of avoiding endangering others, I wanted to confirm something.
Is the party still meeting with Joanne's family at the barn first, or will your next step be elsewhere?
Good question. Micheo is fine with either option, he is not as tied to the people involved. He has a slight preference for leaving sooner.
The daylight is quickly waning. What shall the party do?
Joanne is for family meet up.
Dugan's tended to his business, he's along to help.
Just a heads up folks,
My wife and I will be leaving this afternoon for a long-delayed honeymoon to Iceland. I will be bringing my laptop with me, so hopefully there won't be much disruption in my ability to post.
Have fun! My wife and I stopped by for a day when we had our ten year anniversary. Tell us how you like the country :)
Have a great honeymoon.
Sounds fun, don't get dragged off by a Walrus!
A heads up. Between Friday 1st June and Sunday 3rd June, I won't be available at all. My availability on the Thursday and Monday is also likely to be very limited.
So realistically, I'm not likely to post much from Thursday May 31st until Tuesday June 5th.
I have found that I have to go to some national guard mandatory fun in June. From the 3rd to the 23rd I’ll have limited internet connectivity. While I’ll finally learn how to use an m249 light machine gun...it’ll limit my posting. My apologies in advance.
Do we have a verdict on the kobold? Also, if you decide to execute it, who does the deed?
Micheo sees it as in need of retributive justice and is ready to do the deed by default. Joanne has a point about it possibly having information but we can't faff about outside all night with children at risk. Either the kobold talks now or it dies now, IMO.
Inconnu just wants to move on but I wont derail the game over it. He doesn't like the idea of healing it to question before killing it... and after questioning it we are not in a good place with the law.
Technically killing a defenseless enemy is an evil action within the game (BoED) even if the defenseless enemy is evil.
So to avoid racking up some evil points you can't kill him while defenseless, and getting info can be a big help.
Heck he might be more helpful then you can imagine, as your not seeing the positive possiblities.
This isn't 3.5 though.
And not executing an evil enemy, allowing it loose, is evil in itself.
Taken from the Saranrae paladin code:
* The best battle is a battle I win. If I die, I can no longer fight. I will fight fairly when the fight is fair, and I will strike quickly and without mercy when it is not.
* I will not abide evil, and will combat it with steel when words are not enough. I do not flinch from my faith, and do not fear embarrassment. My soul cannot be bought for all the stars in the sky.
Micheo isn't terribly wise. And he's certainly not calculating. He has very good reason to believe that this is an evil creature and thus deserving of slaying.
Ah, But Pathfinder is Based and Started with 3.5, so it is still valid.
Remember the first Pathfinder 4 APs all used 3.5 along with the first go of a Number of Pathfinder setting products.
I will fight fairly when the fight is fair, and I will strike quickly and without mercy when it is not.
this line here can be read as intented may ways, I read it as;
if the fight is Unfair and going against you strike quick and without mercy,as Good would never need to strike without mercy on anything that can't defend itself.
True, but we're using Pathfinder rules even if this piece of setting was originally written for 3.5.
I disagree on good not needing to strike down evil. A temporarily helpless evil creature can and will be a threat to the innocent later. Not destroying it is itself evil by neglect, not an "act of mercy".
From the PF Paladin SRD:
Additionally, a paladin’s code requires that she respect legitimate authority, act with honor (not lying, not cheating, not using poison, and so forth), help those in need (provided they do not use the help for evil or chaotic ends), and punish those who harm or threaten innocents.[/quote
The very last part is pretty clear on this.
True, but we're using Pathfinder rules even if this piece of setting was originally written for 3.5.
I disagree on good not needing to strike down evil. A temporarily helpless evil creature can and will be a threat to the innocent later. Not destroying it is itself evil by neglect, not an "act of mercy".
Correction, BoED was NON-campaign specific book like the Complete series, therefore could and can apply to any 3.5 or 3.5 based campaign setting, like Pathfinder's Golarion setting. I believe the PF book Champion's of Purity even cover this problem and has some similar outlines to the ones given in the BoED.
If the creature is helpless, but was a threat, by LG paladin standards you'd be required to take it prisoner especially if they are weaker then them.
Kobold CR 1/4, your at CR 2.
From the PF Paladin SRD:
Additionally, a paladin’s code requires that she respect legitimate authority, act with honor (not lying, not cheating, not using poison, and so forth), help those in need (provided they do not use the help for evil or chaotic ends), and punish those who harm or threaten innocents.The very last part is pretty clear on this.
While I will agree with that, however punishment DOES NOT always mean delivering death to the crook,
and you have no witness that this specific Kobold did anything, for all you know it could of tried to warn the kids, but was knocked out by it's fellow tribesman and left there to die or be killed.You'd need a confession to rightly give out a punishment, or risk punishing a innocent, which is a problem for a Paladin.
Kimi says she knocked out a kobold, and there is a kobold knocked out here along with evidence of children being attacked. To Micheo's thinking, this is pretty obviously that kobold and that this group of kobolds are vicious, evil assailants. Thus guilt already not seriously in question. Remember, Micheo is not a lawyer. He is working with reasonable assumptions and deductions on the likelihood that this kobold is in fact guilty, and that arguing over its fate is endangering children.
Dugan doesn't have to quibble about codes and all that malarky. His vote is to kill the thing, quickly. If there weren't other children about he might drag it back to have Kimi kill it to teach her not to leave the rotten things alive.
"Could and can apply" is basically GM discretion as in all things but it's not something that should be assumed by default.
Alignment is one of the most argued subjects in D&D. My character is going to do what they will do and if the GM feels that his alignment is different than on the sheet then I will change it.
Aye.
In any case, Micheo has spoken his view IC. Whether or not there's a response IC from anyone else, he'll act.
Popping in. Ulark doesn’t have a paladin code. He has “self-perfection” where he chooses his own path. MUCH easier to follow.
In this case he sees both arguments. He would prefer to interrogate the kobold. But, if a paladin (who, unlike him can) casts Detect Evil, and then decides to kill it? Ulark would understand.
Very good point.
Yes, alignment is undoubtedly one of the stickiest issues in RPG systems that use them. While I'm glad we get an opportunity to explore and contrast each character's personality and perspectives through RP, I hope this matter isn't causing anyone too much real consternation.
I don't think that executing this kobold or sparing it would outright violate anyone's alignment, although it may weigh upon the character's mind.
Joanne, all the kobolds are currently either on the walls, on the tower, or in the courtyard, leaving them out of reach.
Did you want to direct your attack at the slurk or choose a different action?
she'll kick the slurk.
I am unlikely to be able to post this weekend.
Going to need to take Heavy Armor proficiency next level, but with the battleaxe I only suffer a -1 to hit from non-proficiency. I may take a level of fighter. I'll get the prof for free, and extra feat, and my fort will go up 2(hooray?). It will slow me down a level in progression towards pounce, but the extra feat is pretty sweet.
Nice. Can also go stonelord paladin. +2 will, a Dwarven non-Cha smite, and you can be the third paladin in the group. Just a super Dwarven one. Could even rp it as the change coming from the armor
I would be sweet flavor, but I'd have to alignment swing to Lawful and I'd lose rage.
Well it’s up to GM fiat. But if that’s the issue...gray paladin works for a dip. No smite evil. But...think of it like a fighter.
D10 hp
Full BaB
+2 Fort
2 skill points
Heavy Armor Prof
Instead of a combat feat, get +2 Will and at-will Detect Evil
A decent trade. But would require Neutral Good. Which a Barbarian can be.
Grey Paladin sounds fair, given Dugan's outlook.
I will be away for both of the next two weekends. I should still be able to post at points during both, but less regularly than usual for me at weekends.
Just checking in to let you know I made it to the other side of whatever is going on with Paizo's servers.
Good, we need every hand on deck for evil smiting!
All hands on deck