HP 24/24 | AC:16 | T13 | FF:14 | CMD 13 | Fort:+6 | Ref:+4 | Will:+7; +1 on all saves per adjacent ally; +2 vs language-dependent or written | Init:+5 | Perception: +12 (includes +2 from clear-ear) | Inquisitor 3
"By the holy rune! The mist generates some sort of illusion that menaces you in a most terrible manner. I know not what a wizard would name this magic, but I fear for those with a weak mind who would touch the mist."
This would actually be spellcraft, but I'll keep the roll and use your Spellcraft mod to hasten things a bit.
This magical effect is clearly a weaker version of an arcane spell called Phantasmal Killer, although giving in to the illusion doesn't appear to kill the subject outright.
"So should we try the other door? I've left my stilts back home in Andor and I can't see any other means of getting over or around at hand, maybe we'll find something helpful in there - though I doubt it," Rellen says, still scowling at the mist.
HP 24/24 | AC:16 | T13 | FF:14 | CMD 13 | Fort:+6 | Ref:+4 | Will:+7; +1 on all saves per adjacent ally; +2 vs language-dependent or written | Init:+5 | Perception: +12 (includes +2 from clear-ear) | Inquisitor 3
Choamski gets a gnomish look of glee.
"Stilts! Brilliant! I know you jest Rellen but there is a town right outside those doors. I am certain we could buy enough rope and wood to rig some contrivance to cross this mist"
"That could work, but lets try the other door for now," Rellen says heading for the other door and producing his picks again. He examines it for traps and then attempts to open it if he finds none.
M Aasimar (Qadiran) Cleric 4 HP 35/35 AC 20 | T 12 | FF 19 | CMD 15 | F+6 R+2 W+7 | Init +1 | Per +3 (+2 "Deathless Spirit" SA)
Other:
Spd 20 | Scimitar +3/1d6/18-20; Shortspear +3/+4/1d6/20ft LXbow +4/1d8/19-20
Knorrin has been following along, but hasn't had much to add.
Knorrin nods, too, and adds, "The corner will make rigging a line over the mists more difficult, I think. We still have the other floor to explore, as well."
The door opens after some effort, leading to a dark hall. A feeling of cold dread is palpable in this oval-shaped hall, which is finished in gleaming dark stone. The shadows in the upper portions of the chamber seem to seethe slowly with foul energy. Doorways exit the chamber to the north and the west.
Could you establish a walking order with the pawns in the room please?
Rellen edges forward stopping at the junction and the opening into the larger room to carefully listen and scan his surroundings - by now thoroughly convinced of the dangers of this place.
M Aasimar (Qadiran) Cleric 4 HP 35/35 AC 20 | T 12 | FF 19 | CMD 15 | F+6 R+2 W+7 | Init +1 | Per +3 (+2 "Deathless Spirit" SA)
Other:
Spd 20 | Scimitar +3/1d6/18-20; Shortspear +3/+4/1d6/20ft LXbow +4/1d8/19-20
Knorrin moves to Rellen's side and casts two prayers to Sarenrae on his behalf, "Give him guidance and the virtue of the Dawnflower...", and then does the same for Cutter, as the next through the door.
Casting Guidance and Virtue, two mini-buffs, taking four rounds. We could do this a lot more before opening doors and going through other threats, perhaps only losing a bit of stealth for talking (casting).
The door opens, revealing a hall opening to a room. At the same instant, shadows thicken behind Choamski up to the point where they form a twisted human-like form. It lunges at the gnome!
The creature which you face is a shadow. You know that this undead creature drains the strength out of their victim's body, and that they are incorporeal - only magic can hit them. Hence I'll consider you cast Disrupt Undead, but it fails.
The shadow, silent as Blackfingers himself, falls onto the gnome. The air itself freezes as its tenebrous hands close on his neck in an attempt to drain all life from him.
Taking Choamski by surprise, the hands of doom manage to delve through the linguist's clothes, weakening him instantly. 2 strength damage for Choamski.
Cutter spurs Nightrunner forward as he draws forth the magical short sword and swinging it at the shadow! "Begone you foul thing!". Nightrunner unknowingly bites at the thing threatening Choamski.
M Aasimar (Qadiran) Cleric 4 HP 35/35 AC 20 | T 12 | FF 19 | CMD 15 | F+6 R+2 W+7 | Init +1 | Per +3 (+2 "Deathless Spirit" SA)
Other:
Spd 20 | Scimitar +3/1d6/18-20; Shortspear +3/+4/1d6/20ft LXbow +4/1d8/19-20
Knowledge (Religion):1d20 + 6 ⇒ (19) + 6 = 25
Knorrin immediately recognizes the creature and its basic, incorporeal undead nature, and calls on his goddess of the sun to combat the shadow.
Channel Positive Energy - harm undead:1d6 + 1 ⇒ (6) + 1 = 7 With the Sun domain, undead do not add their channel resistance to their will save, although if it is incorporeal then I think it may take half damage from the 'supernatural effect' :-\ This is going to be really tough...
"Use positive energy! Your heal wands! Or dodge!" Knorrin suggests, rather desperately.
HP 24/24 | AC:16 | T13 | FF:14 | CMD 13 | Fort:+6 | Ref:+4 | Will:+7; +1 on all saves per adjacent ally; +2 vs language-dependent or written | Init:+5 | Perception: +12 (includes +2 from clear-ear) | Inquisitor 3
In the bestiary under Incorporeal there is a specific exception for channel energy. It takes full damage (assuming it fails the will save-otherwise it takes half.).
Snarling Rellen rushes up taking a position besides Cutter, and slashing at the shadow, though in deference to Knorrin's knowledge he adopts a defensive stance.
His greatsword flashes through the creature, but more than half expecting this he merely grits his teeth, and says to Knorrin,
Thanks for letting me know, and it makes perfect sense. That said, I can't find it in the bestiary's incorporeal entry. I'll allow it for this round in the interest of game pace, but could you please point me to the correct page please?
The Shadow cringes at Sarenrae's wrath:
Shadow's Will save, DC 12:1d20 + 6 ⇒ (10) + 6 = 16
The creature reels at the emitted positive energy, but doesn't seem to be fully affected by it.
Even when hit by spells or magic weapons, it takes only half damage from a corporeal source (except for channel energy).
(emphasis mine).
This section also has the rules that say that incorporeal critters must basically stay near the surface of a wall; no more super-powered going through anything, as in 3.5.
Really, I'm not a Rules Lawyer, honest. Maybe just a Guidelines Solicitor...
M Aasimar (Qadiran) Cleric 4 HP 35/35 AC 20 | T 12 | FF 19 | CMD 15 | F+6 R+2 W+7 | Init +1 | Per +3 (+2 "Deathless Spirit" SA)
Other:
Spd 20 | Scimitar +3/1d6/18-20; Shortspear +3/+4/1d6/20ft LXbow +4/1d8/19-20
The one mention I see is on pg. 301 (although it is oddly placed since channeling energy is an effect that causes damage):
Bestiary, pg. 301 wrote:
Corporeal spells and effects that do not cause damage only have a 50% chance of affecting an incorporeal creature (except for channel
energy).
Edit: At one time, it seems to have been in a different place in the paragraph, which would have made more sense, reading: "Even when hit by spells or magic weapons, it takes only half damage from a corporeal source (except for channel energy)."
HP 24/24 | AC:16 | T13 | FF:14 | CMD 13 | Fort:+6 | Ref:+4 | Will:+7; +1 on all saves per adjacent ally; +2 vs language-dependent or written | Init:+5 | Perception: +12 (includes +2 from clear-ear) | Inquisitor 3
Rellen Horatio Marn wrote:
Sorry DM, but wasn't the small sword magical? If so I thought it would have a 50% chance of striking an incorporeal foe.
Commentary:
50% miss is only for non-damaging effects. Any magical damage (except force and channel energy) does half damage instead. You are perhaps thinking of the 3.5 incorporeal rule.
However, the short sword damage does appear to have been missed in the damage total listed above. It would put the total at 6 hp (assuming the 20 to-hit landed)- 3 from the channel, 3 from the sword.
For what it's worth, my own amateur* GM opinion is that the shadow should have taken a total of 7 damage this round.
PRD:
It can be harmed only by other incorporeal creatures, magic weapons or creatures that strike as magic weapons, and spells, spell-like abilities, or supernatural abilities. It is immune to all nonmagical attack forms. Even when hit by spells or magic weapons, it takes only half damage from a corporeal source (except for channel energy).
Cutter would have done 3 damage. Incorporeal creatures take 1/2 damage from magical, physical sources. So Cutter's 6 damage becomes 3.
Knorrin's channel would have also done 3 damage, but there is some fiddly bits in there that should be clarified even though they won't change the outcome. The Will save should be 1d20+4, not +6, as Korrin noted as a Sun domain cleric undead do not get the benefit of channel resistance. The total would have been 14 instead, but still enough to beat a DC 12 for half damage. The wording on the Incorporeal special quality is there so that an incorporeal undead making a Will save against a channel (as in this case) wouldn't end up taking 1/4 damage.
Caradeum's disrupt undead would have done 1 damage. They call out channel energy, which is strange. Had they called out positive energy it would do full damage, but alas 1/2 of 3 is 1. :(
You're absolutely right Cutter, just leave me enough time to post and make rulings please. You do well to remind me that Cutter's sword was the magical one, I read posts too fast this morning before going to work and overlooked it. As for the sun domain, you need to bring this kind of information to my attention because I'm not familiar with all the rules of all the domains and subdomains in PF... yet! ;)
The shadow attacks Rellen...:
Touch attack vs AC 15:1d20 + 4 ⇒ (14) + 4 = 181d6 ⇒ 3
... and strikes true! Rellen feels is strength drained from the undead's icy touch. 3 strength damage, that's only -1 to hit and damage by the way, due to how ability damage works.
Staggering back as he feels the strength drain from his limbs Rellen takes a defensive stance as he steps around the shadow thing trying to set up a flank with Cutter,
"Finish this thing quickly people," he growls.
Total Defense, idea being next turn Cutter would delay until after Rellen so Rellen can retake an offensive stance and give flank.
M Aasimar (Qadiran) Cleric 4 HP 35/35 AC 20 | T 12 | FF 19 | CMD 15 | F+6 R+2 W+7 | Init +1 | Per +3 (+2 "Deathless Spirit" SA)
Other:
Spd 20 | Scimitar +3/1d6/18-20; Shortspear +3/+4/1d6/20ft LXbow +4/1d8/19-20
Sorry if I didn't make the Sun domain's effect clear enough. It also adds my level (i.e. 1) to the channel energy damage.
Channel Energy (Harm Undead), DC 12:1d6 + 1 ⇒ (6) + 1 = 7
Knorrin summons the power of the Dawnflower again to damage the shadow, hoping that the one shadow can somehow be destroyed before it adds to its ranks.
