MoF's Hells Rebels

Game Master MordredofFairy

Still here! Provided an alternate melee build in addition to the ranged build if that would be of interest.

Still present, as well.

I'm still in!

Still here still want in!

Still here and still interested. Good luck to everyone - there's a ton of really, really good submissions for Mordred to consider.

Still interested and hoping I have the opportunity to play with these characters for the next couple of years!

@Sylvanus Lukos: If you want, you can still opt-in for the "will fill after start"...in that case, I may contact you sometime down the line, after your training. You can still say no then, of course, so unless you are opposed to join in-progress games thats an option you have.

@Seth86: I was not referring to level 1, I meant the Level 3 Urban Ranger "Favored Community (Ex)", which replaces Favored Terrain.
Since the Boon gives you exactly 3 Levels of Gestalt with the Ranger, I figured you may assume that since both "Favored Community" and "Master of Terrain"(from Warden) give untyped boni, they would stack with each other, resulting in a +6 on all relevant checks from level 3 onward. I simply meant to clarify I will treat both kinds of bonus as "identical", so Favored Terrain(Urban) would overlap, not stack, with choosing Kintargo as Community.

I'm good with that.

Still here!

Am still interested, even if I have to wake up from my easter coma and fix the last few things : )

Still here - doing a partial tech rewrite and an entire background rewrite of Ularik into something more appropriate for the campaign - Benner doin Malekthas. Neither the ten-minute nor the full background are done, but that'll come tonight.

I would like to be allowed to take Breadth of Experience. It is, technically, only for 100-year-old-plus elves, dwarfs, and gnomes, but tieflings live longer than the latter two, and almost as long as the former. If such is not permitted, Grabbing Style will be used.

@Ouroboros: Regarding Breadth of Experience, I can confidently say that I don't even have to consider wether to allow it or not.

Also, Tieflings and Aasimar are a mess in terms of age/aging. I long ruled that they will simply have the life span of their parents races, not a arbitrary fixed number that makes it very hard to fit them in with certain origins(including and especially the "standard" human tieflings).

So yeah, go ahead. You need to be of the proper age for the feat, though, obviously.

I'm still here as well :)
Can't wait to see who gets picked allot of great entries here

@Wyrm: Unless I'm missing something, a Hanbo is a 1d6 weapon, not a 1d8. You may have also overspent on skillpoints (just at a quick glance, again!). Otherwise, you're on the sheet. :)

Still here, still lurking mostly. Been a bit busy, but still checking in here every day.

It's probably just me. But these two week just seemed really long for some reason. :P
Just waiting in anticipation.

Those two weeks did(do) seem very long, yes. Mostly, probably, because there was such an influx of high-quality applications very quickly.
Honestly, I could probably have picked a good team 3 or 4 days after opening the recruitment-

Most everybody already signed in...I'll still wait until the deadline is over before starting the picking process...and that will be a hard job...

Heck, in my sheet, there's enough coverage to make 3 teams here. I would of course like to have a few people as backup in case one of my choosen happens to go missing, but if somebody else wants to run the game and pick from the remainder of the submissions, they are welcome to do so after I announced my group.

Just wanted to get that out there, because with a great many of the chars, it'd be a pity to not see them played(yet many, flavorwise, depend on the boons a bit, so would suffer from conversion for another recruitment).

@Hotaru: I think he copied over the large Hanbo from his previous build, increasing it's die. Thanks again for helping me check.

Yeah, the printout has the old one; I'd caught the mistake already, just hadn't managed to port it over properly. (Idiot me.) But yeah, he's old enough - 105.

I think the extended age for aasimar/tieflings -- actually, the age info is the same for all extraplanar crossbreeds, those two as well as oreads, undines, ifrits, sylphs, as well as the peculiar reincarnating samsarans - is meant to indicate that the 'otherworldly blood' of a near-immortal is greatly extending their lifespan, with a potential that's longest in the ARG, 850 years. It'd be great to grow up at human speeds, but then otherwise have a tiefling lifespan, though. ;)

The boon I decided on was to Gestalt for three levels, Monk/Inquisitor; they have the same HP and BAB, but where Monk has 4+ skills, Inquisitor has 6+. And I almost always pick the skill point for my Favored Class bonus, so 6+1+1 = 8, +2 for background. The saves were wrong, though; that's since been corrected. Going through and tweaking other stuff as well, mostly minor reductions.

@Benner I don't have the link, but James Jacobs has started that in Golarion, Aasimars, Teiflings, and the like age as fast as normal humans and aren't required to be over 90 years old to be adults indeed there are several important NPCs that are planetouched who can't be 90+

Also, note the errata for the ARG: Page 248—In Table 5–2: Featured Race Random Starting Ages, change the Adulthood ages for the Aasimar, Dhampir, and Tiefling entries to “20 years”.• Page 249—In Table 5–5: Featured Race Aging Effects, change the Aasimar, Dhampir, and Tiefling entries to use the same numbers as the Human entry from Table 5–4: Core Race Aging Effects.

According to the above errata, the max age of any teifling would be 90. This also goes with what Mordred said previously.

I'm still here (this is the Alias for Peet's character) and will try to get everything together tonight.

Hm. Will need a GM ruling on it, then - though if the idea is 'go by the host race age', there's an easy solution - an elf was the host.

Also, Tieflings and Aasimar are a mess in terms of age/aging. I long ruled that they will simply have the life span of their parents races, not a arbitrary fixed number that makes it very hard to fit them in with certain origins(including and especially the "standard" human tieflings).

This reads to me like go with the parent race's age.

As Julianna aptly saw: The ruling is above.

As such, certain characteristica, like the base looks, size, aging, etc... depend on the parent race in my book. As such, yes, Benner, you need a long-lived race as "parent" if you want the age for breath of experience.

There is a book that gives tieflings from other races :) think "Blood of Fiends" or something like that

That's always been my opinion of them, as well. Aasimar and Tiefling can have distant celestial or infernal ancestors, so even though they manifest those traits, I've always viewed it as just a recessive gene. Doesn't make them live any longer

I came across a post by James Jacobs somewhere, maybe in the "Ask James Jacobs" section where he said that Aasimar/Tiefling ages weren't changed by the errata, but instead it corrected a mistake that was wasn't previously caught. They were always supposed to use the non-planar parent for aging (Although he simply said "Human" I believe) That would make sense considering one important NPC in a very early Adventure Path has a backstory that only makes sense if aging is at the human rate. That was well before Aasimar/Tieflings were playable.

"Blood of Fiends" has a number of different templates for Tieflings based off different extraplanar lineages, devil, demon, daemon, etc. It does say that non-human Tieflings exist, though rarer I think, and that the Tiefling template overrides all other racial characteristics from the non-planar sides except appearance. So halfling Tieflings would be small, etc. It doesn't mention age specifically, but it would make sense that age would be one of those non-planar characteristics that isn't altered by the Tiefling template. (At least to me. Why would a Halfling Teifling age at the human rate?)

Okay, it's kind of stupid I didn't think of this earlier, since I could easily have replaced that final "post again to confirm interest in this" with what I'm about to ask, so we make this completely voluntary:

If you are so inclined, send me a PM naming 2 other submitted characters(except Nissim) you would like to have with you if picked(no reasoning needed).

As said, this is completely optional, if you don't PM me I will simply view that as not having a preference whatsoever.
But I did some reading again when I could, and as was said a couple times, picking will be hard(doesn't help that it's my first recruitment).
If I am undecided between two configurations, or on how to fill a certain slot, I would use these PM's as tiebreaker.

Basically, I'm asking you to tip the balance here...I feel it can make my job a little easier deciding in the end, and you guys are more likely to end up with a team you feel comfortable in.(though obviously the ultimate decision rests with me, and I'll pick the majority of characters without utilizing this.)

@Nissim: It seems my ability to RAI is well-developed, then, since I never saw that post ;) I'll see it as good fortune.

Benner will be of elven extraction, then. Will have to modify a bit of the background ... and complete that, too. :P :) *write write write*

... *finish finish finish* There!! All done.

Note for the spreadsheet that Benner is a monk, with inquisitor gestalted on; I don't know how that changes the Enable/Control/Heal/Melee/Ranged/Skilled thing for him, though ... not a lot, I don't think.

I based it on 'now' and 'clear intent'. So... Nope! I figure planning beyond a level or two won't work overly well, as equipment, new feats and abilities, clear weaknesses amongst the group, and simple adjustments of who your character is will lead to build adjustments. :)

*Shakes fist at Train W-Lan and making multiple posts*

so, only TLDR: I will definitely use those rankings as guidelines, but ultimately, they will not be decisive. Making sure a party has well-rounded scores there does not make a good party, automatically. And lacking in something may well be an interesting challenge to my hapless victims.. the brave adventurers going up against the powers that be.

lifts up sign
Time of judgment is at hand

That, it is. I intended to wait on the full hour, but I doubt any last minute submissions will be done in the next 2 minutes(if so, they are obviously allowed).

Any subsequent changes that occur will need to be accompanied by a PM towards me.

Other than that:
"Recruitment is officially closed now!"

Points to remember:
I will take until the weekend to actually make a choice.
I still welcome feedback regarding the preferred team members.
If I contact you with another question or inquiry, thats neither a good nor a bad sign, I'm just trying to further clarify what options I have with your character IF they were to be picked(something elementary for the decision process)

*runs facefirst into the wall of time, trying to jump ahead to the weekend* "Ow!!"

So given that Mordred's only looking at five (or rather, his one reserved +4), anyone else considering running the Path and picking from here?

@ MordredofFairy:

When looking at Jan Carpenter please consider the build concept (see profile). If my plans in there don't work for you then I will withdraw the character rather than rebuild it.

Also: I don't have a description or personality up yet, but will get to those soon. There have been messageboard goblins a bunch of times in the last couple days and I haven't had the chance to do everything.

I didn't notice your post sandwiched between the Aasimar stuff yesterday when I was looking through posts. I added you into the sheet.

@Jan Carpenter

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the aasimar oracle favored class bonus was nerfed to 1/6 rather than 1/2. Other races with the same bonus were nerfed as well.

@Jon Carpenter: Just to confirm, yes, Jon made it in time and is in consideration as well. I think you are selling the class short but the optimization is within reasonable boundaries.
Also, what Juliette said. I doubt it breaks the concept, it just slows the progress down a bit.(even if I would houserule to 1/4th, probably...it seems a slightly harsh nerf at 1/6th...)

And now, the waiting and anticipation commence. I wonder if the DM is susceptible to well-timed bribery ;p.

I would have been, to a very certain form of bribery, which I will gladly reveal after all picks have been announced.

Alas, since about half of the people pm-ing me(I also appreciate that beside this whole thing being voluntary, many try and give reasons for their choice) named one specific character who already was in close consideration, I'll announce that pick right away(also so others writing me can give different names ^_^)

Beside Nissim, the second person to be in is...

On other news, I have decided to go with 6 people rather than 5, so there's STILL 4 picks left for me to make.

Also, a second fixed slot makes it easier to build group configurations around them...I would likely have made a semi-certain pick soon in the decision process with or without overwhelming feedback- also, I don't intend to do this piecemeal, I'll now stick to taking my time and announce the 4 others together at saturday or sunday.

@Jan Carpenter

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the aasimar oracle favored class bonus was nerfed to 1/6 rather than 1/2. Other races with the same bonus were nerfed as well.

Argh, really?

I knew that elves had it nerfed but at the time I originally came up with the idea they had left Aasimar alone. This was why I picked Aasimar.

The +1/2 progression was broken for revelations that granted an animal companion (which was the reason for the nerf), but otherwise was reasonable for most revelations. For the Wood Armor revelation it brings it from mildly lame to pretty good. As it is, it would be really good for a class that wasn't allowed to wear armor, but when you can just get a mithral breastplate and enchant it wood armor isn't much to write home about.

I think you are selling the class short...

No no, I like Oracles generally. I'm just trying to do something with an Oracle that you normally shouldn't. Giving a class with 3/4 BAB and no bonus feats a TWF build would usually be pretty dumb. The gestalt thing helps a lot.

Also, what Juliette said. I doubt it breaks the concept...

It kind of does, actually. Wood Armor just progresses too slow for it to be worth getting instead of just buying regular armor.

Getting a +1/6 effective level bonus means that the FCB actually makes a difference at only 7 out of 20 levels (6th, 10th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 17th, and 18th), and the rest of the time it is no different from not having the favored class bonus at all. With the +1/2 progression there is no effect at levels 1 through 4 and at 7th, but after those the benefit is always noticeable.

Part of the problem is the math of the Wood Armor ability to begin with. It goes up in value every four levels after seventh level, so there is a long start period before it improves.

Anyway, MordredofFairy: if you decide you want to include Jan in the game we can talk about house rules via PM.

The form of bribery most GMs seem to like it's offering to GM something for them, though I didn't bribe anyone, and you cannot prove otherwise.

Bluff: 1d20 + 7 ⇒ (11) + 7 = 18

Thanks to everyone who picked me, I look forward to finding out who the rest of the group is.

It looks better if you hide the Bluff roll under the Sense Motive, IMO. :)

*Politely Applauds*.

Didn't notice the call further up-thread, but I'm still interested.

Still finalizing some little things with him, like a more concrete background.

Congrats Juliette!

Congratulations and thank you for the bribe help!

Update: Due to an unplanned family event coming up(not exactly an emergency, but nothing that can be ignored), I will be rather busy for the remainder of today, saturday and most of sunday.
On the plus side, I've made good progress yesterday and today and am pretty certain of a majority of the picks, and will, barring anything else getting in the way of doing so, get to make the announcement on sunday evening!(local time, that is, about 48-54 hours from now)

Just thought I'll let you know because when I was waiting for picks after submission deadline for a recruitment, I was usually figuratively sitting on pins and needles, so I guess giving a more accurate time estimate could be appreciated by some people. (Also, sorry if you hoped this would be that announcement already. I'm not fully certain on one slot and undecided on another).

Take your time. Waiting is exciting :)

"Exciting"? Excruciating more like it^^

(But no worries really :P)

You know what's excruciating? Thrune.
I hope they leave soon.