IF CWE can entangle the troll we could make ranged attacks to cut his HP, being 5 vs 1. But unless Miyuki have something like the acid splash cantrip every round we will need to deal more than his regeneration amount.
Also we can use a torch as an improvised weapon dealing fire damage to make a Coup de Grace when unconscious.
We can get on our horses and run right? horse speed of 50 and I highly doubt the troll has enough speed to reach us.
Miuki has the chance to cast Burning hands. Once!
And hunter. In the middle of the night, with panicked horses and a troll in charging distance. IF the gms allowes it, I would also RUN!
Yes, but on a horse not everybody can attack. Anton's longbow is not composite so he can't use it on horseback.
Yes, but on a horse not everybody can attack. Anton's longbow is not composite so he can't use it on horseback.
I didn't say we would be doing both, we do one or the other. Round 1 we might be attacking, but round 2 or 3 we decide to run from it, end of story.
At Matsu Miyuki: Panicked horses? You make it sound like animals are smart enough to know what is going on. The horses aren't under attack, we are. For the horses to panic, they would have to be under attack or be smart.
Anton's horse is combat trained, but I think it's the only one with the training.
At Hunter. Of course they know! Sorry there is a big smelly troll comming. The horses see him and only have one thought FLEE.
In that case, it is a good thing Hunter never leaves nothing with his horse, he adds all his stuff to his encumbrance. A DM did that to me once in a game that was neither D&D nor pathfinder and I lost all my extra stuff. The lesson, never leave anything with your horse.
Speaking of loot, did you ever determine what that potion was?
Hunter I think its time you move on. Maybe we loose one now maybe two, but playing with youis not improving.
Just to throw my hat in the ring here OOC properly, Natalya has IC reasons for leaving, they've just been aggravated and accelerated due to Hunter's IC behaviour.
I absolutely do not condone the chasing out of other players due to their IC actions (of course with the exception of pvp or other purposeful attempts to ruin other player's games and fun, but I don;t believe that;s the case here). I did not appreciate the swearing, or even think it particularly warranted, but again tolerance varies between players so there has to be some give and take. In other words it wasn't abuse player to player but character to character. Mardavig would intervene if he thought Hunter had gone over the line.
Long story short, Hunter can play his character any way he wants, but I likewise reserve the right to respond how I feel my character would, so this is the result, no hard feelings and all.
Thats absolutly true. But the point is also that he did not only insult you, but caused at lot of stress in our group.
In my opinion, you behave childishly, have a strange grasp of rules and code of conduct. To make this short. If I knew this was just act it would maybe bareable, but you caused me to bang my head to the table and I mean this not as matter of speech but that I really had to bang my head on the table, mutliple times. Even more often I had to erase posts I have written in anger, because I thought I went to far. Now I sincerly regrett it. Maybe a few harsh words earlier would have been very necessary!
So as I said, I do not want you in my team. Especially as I do not feel that you understand the word team at all. I do not know what will happen next, but I will not play again with you!
About tactics:
I'm fine with fleeing, but I'm waiting to know IF CWE successfully entangle the troll (Reflex Roll) before starting packaging....
That might be true, but IC Miyuki would not want someone who offended her friend to be near her, that would be dishonorable.
And OOC I am quite fed up.
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I get it. I can't make people play together if they don't want to. If people want to leave a party that it their business. If people want to join a new party I'm fine with that so long as the new party is okay with it.
If the majority of a party would prefer to continue without someone, I will have to abide by that as well. If people want to split up and form new parties, and recruit to fill up their new party, or simply continue with smaller number I am willing to gm that as well.
The one thing I can't do it compel people's behaviours, so I don't even try.
And I do not want you too. I am waiting for Anton´s and CWEs input. I would be very sad to leave, but atm I am quite unhappy as it is!
OK my input, as much as I try to remain neutral, it seems I cannot.
first of all I am trying to be one that goes with the flow. If the group is only three people than so be it.
Remember I was willing to go alone if need be.
of course I prefer not to. I do think that Hunter does, many times jump into combat without allowing some pre-planning. I actually think that this not the party for him. but I do not think he should leave the game either. with the right group he will do very well.
IC, CWE will probably never ask anyone to leave. but if actions endanger others he will have restraint in providing support.
Our current situation...entangle to confine the enemy so we may escape. that was and remains my goal. any that choose otherwise will be on their own.
EDIT: also need to add. that based on some other things that have happened and have been posted. I see only three options for CWE:
1. stay in this group (however it ends up)
2. go alone
3. quit the game all together.
(these are listed in order of preference)
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OK thanks
If Natalya has IC reason for leaving I'm fine. If the IC reason it's only because of Hunter's behavior, Anton will ask her if at least for searching the lost Temple the 3 representatives of Erastil's church could stay together.
In any case if the party split/change the composition because of IC reason I'm fine too.
OOC I don't have problem with any of you!
But I think that Hunter's player should need a team more adequate to his playing style, probably not ours.
Guys, I'm trying my best to work with you all. I think it is a communication problem.
I'm doing what I honestly think the group wants. Anton said kill or be killed, I thought that meant I had to kill the frogs.
Also, I think Natayla is being a little mean, I know this is all in-character, but I need to stand up for myself. Insulting my character sometimes insults me, maybe I should have just said back-off.
I'm trying to work things out, but I feel like I'm being bullied by some of you. I'm wanting to work with this groups, I just need a better understanding, right now we are fighting a troll.
What do people want to do? I want to know what the groups wants? As far as the troll goes?
Combat broke out and I had to take an action, there was no in-character dicussion, it attacked us before we can plan.
Also, if people want, their in-characters can stop me in the middle of my actions and ask what I am doing. For example, when I walked 80 feet back for the mound, someone can ask what am I planning? That way I can cancel the 2nd part of my plan. Or when I was gathering poison, someone can ask what am I planning. I can then cancel the 2nd part of my plan, not throw stuff in the water. Realistically, the things Hunter did would take 18 seconds to about a minute to do, especially get poisionous objects, which means realistically people would have time to ask before I'm able to finish. You don't think Hunter gathered poison in six seconds, did you?
Hunter, I think you need to take time to really understand what went on in character. Natalya reacted naturally to Hunter's actions, he acted without consulting with the group, those are simply the facts. To call someone 'mean' for commenting on the fact that you put others in danger is unfounded. I could easily make a case that you have gone out of your way to cause trouble, including initiating verbal abuse where there was no provocation. You seem unable to grasp that what you have been doing would legitimately draw the ire of your teammates for not considering them.
I'm going to draw a line here and move on, as I've said everything I have to say and I don't feel there's any real progress to be made discussing it further, given my experience of interactions around it over the last few days.
Its not just what you said, but it seemed over dramatic. I preferred if it was short and simple, because I was offended. Look Anton said kill or be killed, I honestly thought that meant kill the frogs, I am making an effort to do what the group expects.
I just feel people are giving me a hard time about it, not just you, I feel like I'm being bullied. If they would have properly explained it earlier I would have corrected the problem. I'm making an effort to correct it. The troll for one, choose to run with the group, they said run, I ran from the troll.
Where do we head next? I'm willing to travel. What combat breaks out? I'm willing to flight if they flight or fight if they fight, use stealth if they use stealth.
I'll be away for a LARP event during the next 48 hours.
I'll answer about the IC/OOC questions when I'll come back.
Sorry guys.
If is needed the DM can boot Anton, but he will need to recover new spells to properly help in a fight.
Lucky you, I wish I was near a LARP event, the closest one to me is about a 3-hour drive.
I'll be away for a LARP event during the next 48 hours.
I'll answer about the IC/OOC questions when I'll come back.
Sorry guys.If is needed the DM can boot Anton, but he will need to recover new spells to properly help in a fight.
Nooooo please don't boot Anton
ahh only a small one...
What exactly is CWE's role in the party? (outside of combat)
cause right now I think all I do is ride around and discover the obvious usually after everyone else does...
CWE, what are your skill ranks? That can tell you what you would be good at. I can help analyze it for you.
Climb +3 (help reach hard to get items)
Diplomacy +6 (get people on our side)
Handle Animal +6 (animal allies)
Heal +10 (Heal people, can also determine the cause of death on a person)
Knowledge (geography) +6 (self-explanatory)
Knowledge (nature) +6 (find things of nature)
Perception +6 (+8 familiar nearby) (treasure hunt, find hidden enemies, etc)
Ride +9 (this is more of a combat skill)
Sense Motive +5 (+7 familiar nearby (find out if people are lying)
Survival +10 (you have demonstrated this really well with your track, find food and a whole lot more)
May I throw the ball right back at you?
What do you want to be?
At the moment you are our scout!
Miyuki is the spokesperson.
Hunter is the one that gives me headache.
Anton the caster and expert on things magical.
Natalya our heavy hitter and the wise lady who speaks rarely but true.
Cool now if the dice bot would play along that would be great.
So far today i rolled two nat 1's followed by a 3.
So far in another game, the bard killed more goblins than my barbarian.
Did you ever read the rulebook?
I mean apart from a quick glance, did you read it?
You have shown in so many instances that you have no idea of the rules or misunderstood them!
I won´t start with your charging 2 weapon attack.
I won´t start about your character sheet!
I will end with your I wish, to cast detect magic.
Detect Magic is a clerical orison.
Has been since 2nd edition!
Maybe even first.
We have been writing for a couple of weeks now and I have the impression (this is diplomatic speech for THIS IS FRIGGIN EVIDENT) that you just read other peoples posts very superficially.
And interpret it very very strangly.
I was wondering, is he a non nativ speaker. No problem. Anton and me are!
But you do not understand what we say or what do not care!
Now I have students like that and I wanted to ask you that for quite some time. How old are you?
Now this is a game for me and also a way to improve my english.
At the moment I am quite close to give up, although I think Miyuki is one of my finest characters I ever had.
P.S. PLEASE DO NOT TELL OTHER PEOPLE HOW TO PLAY THEIR CHARACTER AND TRY TO HELP THEM!!!!
Really, it's post like this, that upset me. I know my character can't cast detect magic, well actually he can, but I didn't prepare it, I believe it might be magical is my way of saying this. Chief White Eagle asked for help on what he can do outside combat, I gave him my input. Yes I read the rulebooks. That does not mean I remember all the rules. Looking stuff up every 5 minutes gets annoying. Not all of us played this game for 20 plus years or so.
I don't appreciate the aggressiveness towards me.
I agree with Hunter basically...I did ask for some assistance and he provided it, granted I don't tend to look at raw stats and bonuses the way he does.
so I did not take it as Hunter telling me how to play my character. and considering what was posted by others about me and CWE in another thread I didn't mind what Hunter had to say.
Bears aren't as aggressive as lions, and they really don't eat people, most bears only attack people if you get too close to their cubs or stand in the way of their food. There have been cases where bears sneak up behind you, eat your food and leave you alone. I learned this from rangers at Yosemite national park. Bears aren't actually dangerous unless provoked, not sure if this one is provoked or not, but then again this thing is blocking our path.
In other words, I want to know if people want this thing dead or alive before I do anything.
But it is also a bear and can provide us with food if we kill it, about 2 day worth for a party of 6.
I'm back online.
I'll read and reply the Game play first, and then here in the discussion.
@ Hunter: The LARP events where I usually go are sometimes 4/5 hrs drives from mine home town.
About party roles:
Miyuki is the spokesman, arcana magician and arcana lore keeper.
Natalya is our essential defender in front line and also she is a giver of wise advices.
Hunter is the unpredictable , mix of the second line (with crossbow) and also the healer (his news cleric powers not yet proved).
Anton is principally a Lore Keeper (except Kn Arcana) with druid divine magic used to Buff the party and make ranged attacks. He is also some kind of second line (with his longbow) if a fight last too much and he runs out of spells.
CWE is surly the best scout (with his Eagle aid too), and a more naturally themed than Anton about magic.
About people "social" dynamics:
I experienced in RL that it's hard to find a group of people that fits well around the same game table for a long period of time.
You need to be very good friends, and some times even this it's not enough.
On PBP it's harder, because the communication is only written, online and without vocal/facials expression.
For me it's also the first time playing on an international board, and, as Miyuki wrote, a way to improve mine english.
Also sometimes it's hard to understand if some quarrels are only IC or OOC.
So, if some of ours social dynamics don't work I think it's because we are all humans, also we come from different cultures, different ages, and this is nobody's fault.
We are here to play a GAME, not as a job, not as a group therapy, but only to have FUN.
In a more railroaded adventure path some of those dynamics have a chance to don't come out, because the party is too busy in being involved the story, but being KM a more Sand Box type game that makes all the things harder.
What can we do to still continue to have fun in playing this game?
The first thing that comes to mind is to split and form separate teams (if GM wish to GM more than 3 parties in this campaign), those teams should also choose (according to GM permission) if they want to gather some other PC, but no more than 4/group.
Being 5 of us we should form a team of 3 and a team of 2
I.e. Having Natalya, Miyuki and Anton forming an "Erastil Team" and Hunter and CWE forming a "Nature Team"
This solution could also help CWE fitting a more prominent role in a smallest party. Could also put an end in some IC/OOC quarrels with Hunter.
NOTE: Please don't misinterpret me. I have nothing against CWE and Hunter's players, I'm only trying to figure a way to solve this apparent never-ending problem.
Or we can go back to Oleg, waiting for the Others teams to come back (if they will come back), and shuffle the cards again... but that could be a hard thing to do because it will involve more people/mind and it's already hard being only five of us.
Here me again, I have read the news in the discussion of the principal campaign thread (the one we started all the players), about the Kingdom foundation. I think we can postpone any discussion about party splitting/reforming when the more important thing of the campaign is done.
okay I pretty sure the bear is dead by now. It continued to take another 11 damage from round 1 after the DM posted. Then Natayla did 18 damage to it round 2, CWE did another 5 to it, even if someone or something tried to intervene this thing is dead.
Here me again, discussion about party.
I'm for splitting/changing our party. Once back to Oleg Anton will asks Miyuki & Natalya if she is still there, to form a party without CWE & Hunter.
Again, I hope you all understand that this it's not something against the 2 players, only IC reasons for me.
I do not know what is wrong with my account, but I won't let me send you pms. I do not know what went on. Though things can be cleared up with the administraters of this website, they can tell you if I did or not send pms , which ones are fake, etc.
Something is wrong with my account, I cannot send pms, otherwise I would ask you what went wrong in pm.
not to be a pain or anything but if we are to keep up with other groups we may have to increase our posting rate (myself included). we are using lots of time here while other groups are probably looting and completing missions ahead of us.
Well the group seemed to have gone through some turmoil. But I'm good with posting at an increased rate. Are three PCs good for this kind of game?
I have a 4th in the works, he is creating his character now, a druid.
yes we did have turmoil, and I am the last of the original group here the others have move to other groups or left the game.
I have been mulling over White Eagle's future level progessions.
As he levels up I am thinking of a couple levels of Barbarian, but I want to concentrate more on the nature's warrior aspect than a lot of rage stuff. maybe the spirit totem rage power.