Kingmaker. The shadows behind the throne.

Game Master DBH

An odd group gathers together. Their purpose to reclaim the Stolen lands. But what secrets do they carry with them into this dangerous land?

Charter

Party loot

KIngdom tracking sheet

Greenbelt map

Terrain costs and improvements

Notices

Greenbelt RRR

Mud bowl murder


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Per +12, Init +3, F/R/W +4/+10/+3, AC 21 (T 16, FF 17), HP 39/39, CMB +6, CMD 19 Maps: Thornholme Republic of the Kamelands

Yeah, I'm from the Philadelphia area, and in the last two days the temperature went from late summer to early winter in a flash.

I've got a lot of reading to catch up on, too.

@Niadroub, happy early birthday to your wife!


Human (Taldan) Oracle (Spirit Guide) 2 | HP 35/35 | AC 19/14/15 | CMB +6| CMD 19 | F +3| R -0| W +4| Init +4 Per +1 Image

Just saw the new Thor movie with the kids. I enjoyed it and can recommend it if anyone is on the fence about seeing it.


Per +12, Init +3, F/R/W +4/+10/+3, AC 21 (T 16, FF 17), HP 39/39, CMB +6, CMD 19 Maps: Thornholme Republic of the Kamelands

That's my plan for tomorrow night. A few of my friends just had birthdays, so I was going to treat them all to a night at the movies.


Male Human Arcanist 6 ~ AC 17* (t 12, ff 15*) *-4 if no mage armor | F+4, R+5, W+8 | Init +7, Per +8 | A.R. pts 7/8 | HP 44/44

I saw it on Friday. Lots of fun.


Are you sure you want to do that?

Sorry folks, it turns out my feeling extremely tired and sore is due to my being very sick. Spent most of the day curled in a ball in bed, and just got up now to throw up what little was inside me. Feeling a lot better for that and hope to be back to normal tomorrow.


Human (Taldan) Oracle (Spirit Guide) 2 | HP 35/35 | AC 19/14/15 | CMB +6| CMD 19 | F +3| R -0| W +4| Init +4 Per +1 Image

Take care and Get well! We'll still be here.


Cleric 4 | HP 27/27 | AC 21 : TAC 13 : FAC 18 : CMD 13 AC 24 : TAC 17 : FAC 17 : CMD 17 | Fort +5 : Ref +5 : Will +8 | Perc. +13 (DV 60') : S.M. +8 : Initiative +3 | Move 20' | Longbow +7, 1d8 | Wand 28

GM:

Hope you're feeling better soon.

Once you're back...

How do you feel about the idea of a custom level 1 Erastilean cleric spell for preserving meat from the hunt? Similar to gentle repose but could not be used to preserve a body for the purposes of raise dead and can only be used on bodies of animals which Erastileans consider acceptable for food?


Male Richard's Map Vig 6, HP: 23/46, AC: 21, FF: 17, Touch: 15, CMD: 20 CMB: +6 Fort:+4, Ref:+10, Will+6, Initiative +4, Per +9, SM +9

Get well soon.

I'd say regular castings of purify food and drink would do it. You'd want to cast it at least once a day and with all the boar it'd be multiple castings.


Male Human Arcanist 6 ~ AC 17* (t 12, ff 15*) *-4 if no mage armor | F+4, R+5, W+8 | Init +7, Per +8 | A.R. pts 7/8 | HP 44/44

Feel better!

I think we're agreeing to head back to Oleg's.


Cleric 4 | HP 27/27 | AC 21 : TAC 13 : FAC 18 : CMD 13 AC 24 : TAC 17 : FAC 17 : CMD 17 | Fort +5 : Ref +5 : Will +8 | Perc. +13 (DV 60') : S.M. +8 : Initiative +3 | Move 20' | Longbow +7, 1d8 | Wand 28
Richard Harmon wrote:
I'd say regular castings of purify food and drink would do it. You'd want to cast it at least once a day and with all the boar it'd be multiple castings.

Yeah, good call!


Are you sure you want to do that?

Still not feeling good at all folks. Sorry, but another day away for me.


Human (Taldan) Oracle (Spirit Guide) 2 | HP 35/35 | AC 19/14/15 | CMB +6| CMD 19 | F +3| R -0| W +4| Init +4 Per +1 Image

No worries. Thanks for the update and I hope you get well soon.


Per +12, Init +3, F/R/W +4/+10/+3, AC 21 (T 16, FF 17), HP 39/39, CMB +6, CMD 19 Maps: Thornholme Republic of the Kamelands

Do we just want to fight the boggards or take a different approach?


Are you sure you want to do that?

Loot:

Leather MW - 1
Studded leather MW - 1
Scale mail MW - 1

Short bow MW - 1
Battle axe MW - 1

Wand of Cure light wounds (CL 1) 28 charges.

60gp, 240sp.

Seems the Boggards hit a trader of some type.

All rolled on a Random treasure generator.


Per +12, Init +3, F/R/W +4/+10/+3, AC 21 (T 16, FF 17), HP 39/39, CMB +6, CMD 19 Maps: Thornholme Republic of the Kamelands

Thank you. I've updated the party treasury.


Cleric 4 | HP 27/27 | AC 21 : TAC 13 : FAC 18 : CMD 13 AC 24 : TAC 17 : FAC 17 : CMD 17 | Fort +5 : Ref +5 : Will +8 | Perc. +13 (DV 60') : S.M. +8 : Initiative +3 | Move 20' | Longbow +7, 1d8 | Wand 28

Normally I'd want the MW studded leather, but I actually don't have ranks in any skills that use armor check penalty. So someone else can carry it if they want. I'll take it if no-one else wants it.

Either Mykhael or I can carry the wand.


Cleric 4 | HP 27/27 | AC 21 : TAC 13 : FAC 18 : CMD 13 AC 24 : TAC 17 : FAC 17 : CMD 17 | Fort +5 : Ref +5 : Will +8 | Perc. +13 (DV 60') : S.M. +8 : Initiative +3 | Move 20' | Longbow +7, 1d8 | Wand 28

Elena pulls out her manual of beartrap golems... :)


Female Aasimar (Angel-Blooded) Fighter (Aldori Swordlord) 4 | AC 18 (t 13, ff 15) | F+6, R+5, W+2 | Init +3, Per +4 | HP 5/39

Beartrap golems? That sounds both terrifying and awesome.

Doubly-so if it ends up shaped like a bear.


Are you sure you want to do that?

Which hex next?


Male Human Arcanist 6 ~ AC 17* (t 12, ff 15*) *-4 if no mage armor | F+4, R+5, W+8 | Init +7, Per +8 | A.R. pts 7/8 | HP 44/44

I'll propose 2, 1, 7, 8, then 9. Since we already did that on the West side of the map.


Male Richard's Map Vig 6, HP: 23/46, AC: 21, FF: 17, Touch: 15, CMD: 20 CMB: +6 Fort:+4, Ref:+10, Will+6, Initiative +4, Per +9, SM +9

I suppose area 9 then check in at Olegs to resupply.


Are you sure you want to do that?

Sorry, too busy today to update. Yay Christmas is coming. :(


Male Richard's Map Vig 6, HP: 23/46, AC: 21, FF: 17, Touch: 15, CMD: 20 CMB: +6 Fort:+4, Ref:+10, Will+6, Initiative +4, Per +9, SM +9

That's life, we can be patient for a bit!


Cleric 4 | HP 27/27 | AC 21 : TAC 13 : FAC 18 : CMD 13 AC 24 : TAC 17 : FAC 17 : CMD 17 | Fort +5 : Ref +5 : Will +8 | Perc. +13 (DV 60') : S.M. +8 : Initiative +3 | Move 20' | Longbow +7, 1d8 | Wand 28

Just an FYI guys:

Holiday Plans:

This Friday (i.e. tomorrow), Saturday, Sunday, and Monday I have Christmas events to attend (and I may be busy Tuesday too). I will be travelling for some of that period. I still expect to have internet access and I'll try to get online in that period but my posting frequency may suffer. Wednesday night I will be back home and things will return to normal for me.


Are you sure you want to do that?

Thanks for the notice. I do expect things to be very slow over the holidays for everybody.


Cleric 4 | HP 27/27 | AC 21 : TAC 13 : FAC 18 : CMD 13 AC 24 : TAC 17 : FAC 17 : CMD 17 | Fort +5 : Ref +5 : Will +8 | Perc. +13 (DV 60') : S.M. +8 : Initiative +3 | Move 20' | Longbow +7, 1d8 | Wand 28
GM_DBH wrote:
Elena. Oleg does have a small supply of potions he can sell you. 4 potions of Cure light wounds & 1 of Shield of faith + 2.

Guys:

Do you want to clear out some of the goods we have found and exchange them for Oleg's Potions?

I probably don't need them as I can heal myself but it seems like it wouldn't hurt to get them. Those without healing abilities can carry them for emergencies. Also the shield of faith potion would be good for a tank-type character.

Worth noting that we do also have a wand of CLW.

I was looking at the Party Loot spreadsheet and I couldn't tell what had been claimed by anyone. Did anyone take the MW Scale mail or the MW Studded Leather? Elena could use either one.


Male Richard's Map Vig 6, HP: 23/46, AC: 21, FF: 17, Touch: 15, CMD: 20 CMB: +6 Fort:+4, Ref:+10, Will+6, Initiative +4, Per +9, SM +9

I don't think either has been taken to my knowledge.


Human (Taldan) Oracle (Spirit Guide) 2 | HP 35/35 | AC 19/14/15 | CMB +6| CMD 19 | F +3| R -0| W +4| Init +4 Per +1 Image

I didn't take either.


Male Human Arcanist 6 ~ AC 17* (t 12, ff 15*) *-4 if no mage armor | F+4, R+5, W+8 | Init +7, Per +8 | A.R. pts 7/8 | HP 44/44

There's nothing there of interest to my guy, except maybe those healing potions. I just claimed one. Since we have the wand, let's hold off on buying more for now, and save up for some more serious situational healing like cmw potions or some buffs.

Richard has the highest AC, but I don't know much about vigilantes and their tanking abilities. Definitely give the existing shield of faith potion to a melee striker if Richard doesn't want it. And I'm fine with buying another one.

Is Xantria's HP really at 6?


Male Richard's Map Vig 6, HP: 23/46, AC: 21, FF: 17, Touch: 15, CMD: 20 CMB: +6 Fort:+4, Ref:+10, Will+6, Initiative +4, Per +9, SM +9

I'm hoping to invest in some dark leaf leather armor later on but that's long term. Vigilantes can get medium and heavy armor proficiencies but he's a dexterity build and I've got other ideas for his choices.


Female Aasimar (Angel-Blooded) Fighter (Aldori Swordlord) 4 | AC 18 (t 13, ff 15) | F+6, R+5, W+2 | Init +3, Per +4 | HP 5/39

Sorry I haven't been posting much - it feels like we're lurching from one encounter to the next a lot more rapidly than I'm used to for a PbP game, combine that with getting stumped on what Xan would do and the time zone differences and it's easy for me to fall behind.

I'll try to improve as we go on, it's just that Xan's not much good at the planning stuff, or at least acknowledges that the others are all much better in that department.

EDIT: Also, I've switched Xan's character sheet over to a Google Sheets one I found recently. Takes a bit longer to load, but it feels a bit nicer to use than Myth Weavers' ones.


Are you sure you want to do that?

The first book of Kingmaker is very much lurching from encounter to encounter I'm afraid. The second book continues this, but with the start of the kingdom building thrown in you do get more varied encounters.

I can see most of the party have plans for their characters, and directions they want to take them, and I want to reach that stage. I'm finding that the early part of Kingmaker can turn into a grind, which may be why so many Kingmaker games fizzle out?

Sandboxes in RL games have a very different feel to them and keep everyone involved. In PbP they don't work very well I'm finding. Especially with the hilariously unbalanced encounter tables that were provided for Kingmaker.

I'm thinking of ways to speed things up and get to the more involved and role play friendly parts of the AP. What does everybody else feel about this?


Human (Taldan) Oracle (Spirit Guide) 2 | HP 35/35 | AC 19/14/15 | CMB +6| CMD 19 | F +3| R -0| W +4| Init +4 Per +1 Image

Sound fair to me.


Male Human Arcanist 6 ~ AC 17* (t 12, ff 15*) *-4 if no mage armor | F+4, R+5, W+8 | Init +7, Per +8 | A.R. pts 7/8 | HP 44/44
GM_DBH wrote:
I'm thinking of ways to speed things up and get to the more involved and role play friendly parts of the AP. What does everybody else feel about this?

I feel like I have expressed my thoughts about this very topic quite a few times on these forums, actually. Here is my most succinct post I could find.


Male Richard's Map Vig 6, HP: 23/46, AC: 21, FF: 17, Touch: 15, CMD: 20 CMB: +6 Fort:+4, Ref:+10, Will+6, Initiative +4, Per +9, SM +9

Being honest in the voice chat Kingmaker game I've run I cut out the random encounters, the sidequests aren't so bad and I came up with stuff relevant to the characters as well as jaunts into the Emerald Spire but I'm usually not bothered with random encounters at the best of time. They're just padding and they're less of a good idea in a play by post.

I'm up for trying different things. Depending on your own preference plenty of other interesting RP to do, the PCs in that game went to the Outlaw Council and did politics and intrigue.


Are you sure you want to do that?
Niadroub Kliip wrote:
GM_DBH wrote:
I'm thinking of ways to speed things up and get to the more involved and role play friendly parts of the AP. What does everybody else feel about this?
I feel like I have expressed my thoughts about this very topic quite a few times on these forums, actually. Here is my most succinct post I could find.

Interesting post, and very applicable here. I am considering just skipping the encounter tables, they really are that bad. Kingmaker was oe of the last not to tell you when to level the characters up sadly, so a lot of it is grinding for XP in the early part.

How do you all feel about me just resolving the many little encounters automatically, having you handle the more important events, and getting us through to the end of this book quickly?


Human (Taldan) Oracle (Spirit Guide) 2 | HP 35/35 | AC 19/14/15 | CMB +6| CMD 19 | F +3| R -0| W +4| Init +4 Per +1 Image

Personally, I really like the idea and say go for it.


Female Aasimar (Angel-Blooded) Fighter (Aldori Swordlord) 4 | AC 18 (t 13, ff 15) | F+6, R+5, W+2 | Init +3, Per +4 | HP 5/39

Same here, sounds good. I'm gonna duck over to the Kingmaker subforum too, see if anyone over there's posted level-up recommendations like what subsequent APs have.

I know I risk spoilers but, honestly, I read through the whole thing years ago. Don't remember enough to metagame and the milestones tend to be pretty vague-ish anyway.


Male Human Arcanist 6 ~ AC 17* (t 12, ff 15*) *-4 if no mage armor | F+4, R+5, W+8 | Init +7, Per +8 | A.R. pts 7/8 | HP 44/44
GM_DBH wrote:
I am considering just skipping the encounter tables, they really are that bad.

If I recall, you can get a shambling mound at level 1 on a random encounter! That could be very fun or it could end the campaign right away.

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Kingmaker was oe of the last not to tell you when to level the characters up sadly, so a lot of it is grinding for XP in the early part.

I haven't read through any of the APs after KM, actually. I didn't know that they did that. Nice.

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How do you all feel about me just resolving the many little encounters automatically, having you handle the more important events, and getting us through to the end of this book quickly?

You know how I feel! But I'm always open to other methods, also.


Male Richard's Map Vig 6, HP: 23/46, AC: 21, FF: 17, Touch: 15, CMD: 20 CMB: +6 Fort:+4, Ref:+10, Will+6, Initiative +4, Per +9, SM +9

Not sure if you're using it but in ultimate campaign every hex you explore gives a little XP even if there are no encounters.


Are you sure you want to do that?

It does that for Kingmaker, but very little. For a party of 4 it was 100xp per hex, that's between the party, not each! Even putting it up to 150xp to match the larger party it's still not going to get you a level very quickly. Which is why they put in all the randoms I guess.

Bit too busy for an update tonight sorry. New years and the holiday are eating up my time.


Are you sure you want to do that?

Only half an hour to go down here. So I'll wish every a happy New year, and the hope we can enjoy some good gaming. Thanks for being such good, involved players.


Human (Taldan) Oracle (Spirit Guide) 2 | HP 35/35 | AC 19/14/15 | CMB +6| CMD 19 | F +3| R -0| W +4| Init +4 Per +1 Image

Happy New Year all!


Male Human Arcanist 6 ~ AC 17* (t 12, ff 15*) *-4 if no mage armor | F+4, R+5, W+8 | Init +7, Per +8 | A.R. pts 7/8 | HP 44/44

Happy New Year!


Cleric 4 | HP 27/27 | AC 21 : TAC 13 : FAC 18 : CMD 13 AC 24 : TAC 17 : FAC 17 : CMD 17 | Fort +5 : Ref +5 : Will +8 | Perc. +13 (DV 60') : S.M. +8 : Initiative +3 | Move 20' | Longbow +7, 1d8 | Wand 28

Same to you guys.

My favourite new year's toast:
"May the best of your past be the worst of your future."


Per +12, Init +3, F/R/W +4/+10/+3, AC 21 (T 16, FF 17), HP 39/39, CMB +6, CMD 19 Maps: Thornholme Republic of the Kamelands

Yes, Happy New Year, friends!


Male Human Level 3 Investigator

Since no one else wanted it I took the Mithral Chain shirt and added the Masterwork Chain Shirt he was using to the loot. Mykhael took the spear but did anyone add the 126gp?


Per +12, Init +3, F/R/W +4/+10/+3, AC 21 (T 16, FF 17), HP 39/39, CMB +6, CMD 19 Maps: Thornholme Republic of the Kamelands

Yes, I added it to the Party Loot spreadsheet.


Are you sure you want to do that?

Things are too hectic for me to update today. Sorry about that. I'll have something up tomorrow.


Human (Taldan) Oracle (Spirit Guide) 2 | HP 35/35 | AC 19/14/15 | CMB +6| CMD 19 | F +3| R -0| W +4| Init +4 Per +1 Image

No worries.

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