I'm not too worried about stone. We can import it. All of this is an aside until we reach kingdom-building, at which point it's abstracted and it's just BP that we use to get materials to build things.
Yeah. Also, the Carpenter building I described has the capacity to serve as a Mill as well, as it has a Mill Room. Has no mention of requiring water, so it should function normally. It could be powered by horses or hand as well, according to the entry. And Oleg already has a stable.
Sure, but Lisl doesn't have knowledge (engineering) so she isn't super-familiar with mill-wheels. Anyway, it does mean we will hopefully get some fun new NPCs. :)
Sorry I'm a bit slow at the moment. I wrenched my back on the weekend, nothing too serious, but it makes sitting down uncomfortable. And I'm now on painkillers, which leave me a little vague as well.
Take the time and get well!
I will be out of town camping this weekend and should be back late Monday.
Sorry, got home late and am off to bed. Update tomorrow.
Well, while we have the time, we could discuss loot ooc:
A MW light metal shield,
+1 flaming crossbow bolts (7),
A pair of boots of elvenkind,
And a soiled leather bag.
A plain brass wedding ring set with a single pearl - Return to Oleg/Svetlana
A pouch containing a single dose of dust of illusion.
Wand of magic missile (CL 3rd, 28 charges);
MW cold iron sickle,
Bracers of armor +1,
Spellbook. - Freya?
2nd Detect thoughts, Invisibility, Minor image.
1st Cause fear, Identify, Shield, Silent image, Unseen servant
0 Acid splash, Detect magic, Light, Mage hand, Message, prestidigitation.
321 sp, = 45 sp each, with an extra 5 sp and 9 cp to the Group Loot
249 gp, 35 gp each, with an extra 3 gp, 9 sp, 9 cp to the Group Loot
13 pp, (Darian is willing to trade 130 gp for all these to make math easier, lol)
130 gp, 18 gp each, with extra 3 gp, 9 sp, 9 cp to Group Loot
Total = 53 gp, 45 sp each
Group Loot = 59 gp, 23 sp, 27 cp
Adding that coinage to my Alias and Group Loot tracker.
Well, while we have the time, we could discuss loot ooc:
Spellbook. - Freya?
2nd Detect thoughts, Invisibility, Minor image.
1st Cause fear, Identify, Shield, Silent image, Unseen servant
0 Acid splash, Detect magic, Light, Mage hand, Message, prestidigitation.
Not much in that spellbook that she doesn't already have that she could use. I'd be perfectly okay with selling that book distributing the money.
Ok. Unless anyone aspires to pick up a level of wizard or some such soon, we will sell it.
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Yeah - book can sell.
Someone should hang on to the wand - I'm happy to have it if no-one else wants it/has the UMD ranks.
The boot should go to Jory I think, he's our best scout for sure.
Josef for the shield?
Does anyone want the Bracers or should we just sell them? I'd quite like some in future but I'd rather want a higher bonus than +1! :)
If anyone takes crafting feats, it’d be cheaper to upgrade than buy outright.
I am fine with the above, though I dunno if Josef’s fighting style allows it, but he is welcome to the shield. Darian prefers heavy shields.
I don't really have use for any of that gear, I'll just take a share of cash.
Jory can grab the +1 bolts.
On the boots, are they small enough?;-)
No, Josef can NOT use a shield. His first "no shield" benefit kicked in at 3rd level.
Not much there to appeal to his style, either.
A MW light metal shield, - 79 gp, 5 sp
+1 flaming crossbow bolts (7), - Jory
A pair of boots of elvenkind, - Jory
And a soiled leather bag. - junked?
A plain brass wedding ring set with a single pearl - Return to Oleg/Svetlana
A pouch containing a single dose of dust of illusion. - tossing in group loot for now
Wand of magic missile (CL 3rd, 28 charges); - Isabel
MW cold iron sickle, - 156 gp
Bracers of armor +1, - Isabel
Spellbook. - 150 gp
Total - 385 gp
Split: 55 gp each, tossing the extra 5 sp into Group Loot
Time for another BSA Campout at the facility with no cell signals. I head to work in the morning and then go meet the troop and head to camp. I'll be back on Sunday.
I'm gonna guess I'm expected to track my own share? I mean, it just makes sense.
@Jory the boots fit you.
That is just about everything you need to do. Only a few minor sites of interest left to discover on the map. Would you prefer to explore a little more, or mark it done and go to the final battle with the Stag lord.
I find sandboxes are the hardest to run in PBP myself, and some players have indicated they don't enjoy it either.
The choice is yours, the next book is still sandboxish, but does increase the role play a lot, and has more of a direction for the party to follow.
Let me now what you wish to do?
If there’s nothing major, I’m ok with a fast forward. How much time would pass, and would we have a chance to get more gear with any new coin we get/find/are rewarded?
Good point, none of the remaining events give much coin. However two do gain you some from the notices, and there are a few more notices to be collected also.
I could run those as encounters over the next week, giving you a stock of coin to spend on equipping yourselves before the final battle.
That sounds like a plan to me.
Edit. I've just checked the Notices. You're due some more coin for solving the Kobold problem, and regaining Svetlana's wedding ring. I'll bump the reward up a little as it's a six member party, not four. So you will have another 2000gp in your treasury when you get back to Oleg's.
I mean, if they are essentially push overs for us, then I’m still on board with flossing over them if that’s the group consensus.
Even beefing them up for the increased party size won't make them much more than a bump in the road. A few wounds would really be the worst you'd face. Unless the dice roller really goes all out on killing you. :)
I'll go through them, but really they can all be hand waved.
Kingmaker did suffer from that strange imbalance, the scripted encounters were generally too easy. The random encounters could be killers!
The biggest issue I found with KM's first book encounters is that so many of them are lone encounters that you just do one encounter, then move on to a new day, so you never have resource pressure.
To speed us through things.
Up river from the Kobolds you find nettles crossing, and encounter the ghost of Nettles, slain by the Stag lord and his bandits. His undead body rises form the river and demands the body of the Stag lord be thrown into the river here. This will put him to rest and alow the crossing to be rebuilt.
In the deep woods you encounter and battle three Tazlwyrms. Gaining the Tazlwyrm head Oleg wants to decorate the trading post.
Loot:
Scale mail +1,
MW Cold iron longsword,
38 gp, 520 sp,
A pewter drinking stein worth 12 gp,
A silver ring worth 35 gp,
A jade carving of a nude female elven monk worth 85 gp,
On the return to Oleg's you encounter and defeat the feared Tuskgutter, giving you a large boar to roast.
This gives you 3000gp, a MW longbow and 6 +1 arrows (Animal bane). The man who posted the reward for Tuskgutter also offers you a share of the head cheese he plans to make from Tuskgutters head. :)
That clears up all the incidentals on the map and leaves you the dangerous task of clearing the Stag lords fort.
Only one notice remains, catching the mercenary Falgrim Sneeg for Kesten Garess at Olegs. I think you can guess where Sneeg is holed up?
Scale mail +1
MW Cold iron longsword
MW longbow
6x +1 Animal Bane Arrows
3038 gp - 434 gp each
520 sp - 74 sp each, extra 2 silver to Group Loot
1 boar to roast (party after Stag Lord’s defeat/Wedding?)
Anyone want some bling? Otherwise sell?
A pewter drinking stein worth 12 gp,
A silver ring worth 35 gp,
A jade carving of a nude female elven monk worth 85 gp
Everything above is basically up for grabs, Darian wants nothing of that list.
Side note to Isabel: Darian threw 200gp towards that ring. So it should be more than suitable for any level of dress, as well as enchantment.
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Side note to Isabel: Darian threw 200gp towards that ring. So it should be more than suitable for any level of dress, as well as enchantment.
And I didn't get you anything... I'll have to see just what Oleg can order from Restov! ;)
No bling for Isabel thanks. Although at some point I need to do a thorough list of all the loot we've accumulated so far and exactly how much gold we should have!
Also, GM DBH - your congratulation in the gameplay got me wondering. Have you had games where players have proposed and been rejected? I wasn't quite sure where to read the emphasis in your line! :D
Don’t trust my book keeping? Lol
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Don’t trust my book keeping? Lol
It's mine I don't trust - I know I've been adding some of the loot to my profile and spending it, but I don't think I've gotten everything... if I go right back and sort it then I'll find what I missed! :)
So... jumping the gun a little bit (but just a little bit!), Leadership Roles! I've split them into the ones we need (mainly ones that carry a penalty if we don't fill them) and ones we want but don't need (no penalty).
Need:
Ruler (Cha)
Councilor (Wis/Cha)
General (Str/Cha)
Grand Diplomat (Int/Cha)
High Priest (Wis/Cha)
Magister (Int/Cha)
Marshal (Dex/Wis)
Spymaster (Dex/Int)
Treasurer (Int/Wis)
Warden (Con/Str)
Might Want:
Consort (Cha)
Heir (Cha)
Royal Enforcer (Dex/Str)
So 10 roles that NEED to be filled to avoid penalties. First thing - we need NPCs! I imagine we could get Kesten involved (Marshal or Warden maybe? I feel like a PC should be general if we can...). Maybe convince Oleg/Svetlana to get involved - Treasurer perhaps? If the GM delivers some other NPC's from our backstories, like Aunt Lillian for example, maybe they could fill the Councilor role? (It sounds like the role entitled 'Voice of the GM' to me!)
Anyone else got thoughts, opinions, roles they want to call?
Wild guess: Lisl = High Priest? :)
As far as NPC’s with positions go, I’m on board, and think Councilor is a great one for an NPC.
Oleg
Svetlana
Kesten
Chief Sootscale ???
Jhod ??
Any of our reform projects perhaps???
13 positions to fill, 6 PC’s
So we will need to come up with 7-8 reliable NPC’s to toss into the mix to fill the roster at the start.
But I think we should take care of PC assignments first so we know what roles will then need filled.
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Only 11 positions really. We can nominate a heir and a consort if need be - they only matter if the ruler is away and the ruler will be a PC so unless something really weird happens we'll always be around. So Royal Enforcer is the only position it would be good to fill but not urgent. :)
Although I'm all in favour of Ludi and Katrina getting good jobs.
Ha. At work and didn’t check names. Just counted. Lmao.
So really 5 or so positions to fill. I don’t think we will have a problem, unless some of these NPC’s aren’t interested.
I'm happy to do priest or diplomat. Probably better to have a higher Charisma character in the diplomat role.
Jory is made for Magister or Diplomat.
Is there a decent summary of the significance of the roles for the kingdom building activities? Don’t want to dig around in my Kingmaker volume at risk of spoilage (first time through!), though I’d guess that might start in volume 2?
Stat scores of PC’s, ordered:
Str - Darian (16), Lisl (14), Josef/Freya (12), Jory (10), Isabel (8)
Dex - Isabel/Josef (16), Jory (15), Darian (14), Freya (12), Lisl (10)
Con - Isabel (13), Darian/Freya/Josef/Lisl (12), Jory (10)
Int - Freya (16), Isabel (15), Jory/Josef (14), Lisl (13), Darian (12)
Wis - Lisl (16), Freya (15), Isabel (12), Darian/Josef (11), Jory (10)
Cha - Jory (18), Isabel (16), Darian/Josef/Lisl (14), Freya (12)
Not that that weighs in on anything really related to the Rulership thing, but I got to pondering that earlier and decided to put it together. Found some of the stuff quite amusing, like Darian is the lowest Int guy in the group...at a 12!
If you'd rather not have the state religion be Abadar - say, Erastil instead, or whatnot - I can always take the Councilor role.
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Stat scores of PC’s, ordered:
Str - Darian (16), Lisl (14), Josef/Freya (12), Jory (10), Isabel (8)
Dex - Isabel/Josef (16), Jory (15), Darian (14), Freya (12), Lisl (10)
Con - Isabel (13), Darian/Freya/Josef/Lisl (12), Jory (10)
Int - Freya (16), Isabel (15), Jory/Josef (14), Lisl (13), Darian (12)
Wis - Lisl (16), Freya (15), Isabel (12), Darian/Josef (11), Jory (10)
Cha - Jory (18), Isabel (16), Darian/Josef/Lisl (14), Freya (12)Not that that weighs in on anything really related to the Rulership thing, but I got to pondering that earlier and decided to put it together. Found some of the stuff quite amusing, like Darian is the lowest Int guy in the group...at a 12!
I love you for things other than your brains dear! :P I'm more alarmed that Isabel has the highest Con in the group... what happened there? She's only got 13!
Jory is made for Magister or Diplomat.
Is there a decent summary of the significance of the roles for the kingdom building activities? Don’t want to dig around in my Kingmaker volume at risk of spoilage (first time through!), though I’d guess that might start in volume 2?
Summary of kingdom roles: found here. I'm thinking about this because I'm in another Kingmaker game, a fair way further on than this, and I know how much book keeping is required to make it work! (And yes, its the start of book 2 where we officially become a kingdom).
If you'd rather not have the state religion be Abadar - say, Erastil instead, or whatnot - I can always take the Councilor role.
I actually like Abadar for this, he's the god of exactly what we're doing, even if Isabel personally likes a little more freedom.
So:
Ruler (Cha) - Isabel?
Councilor (Wis/Cha) - GM's fav NPC?
General (Str/Cha) - Darian?
Grand Diplomat (Int/Cha) - Jory?
High Priest (Wis/Cha) - Lisl?
Magister (Int/Cha) - Freya?
Marshal (Dex/Wis) - Kesten/Josef?
Spymaster (Dex/Int) - Josef?
Treasurer (Int/Wis) - Oleg/Svetlana?
Warden (Str/Con) - ???
Stat wise Freya fits Treasurer best, but somehow I can't see that...
Hope I'm not being presumptuous suggesting Isabel as ruler - second highest charisma after Jory and she's a benevolent sort I promise! :)
Here is how I kinda have been looking at things, with reasons why as well. Of course, everyone is going to have a different outlook on their own positions, so I think if everyone posted a similar list as Isabel, we will be able to reach a consensus.
Ruler (Cha) - Darian and Isabel (Being married, both of us can hold the position, and Darian’s eventual Boosted Leadership and Natural Born Leader Trait will help as well)
Councilor (Wis/Cha) - GM NPC - though I’m uncertain who would Best fit this role yet
General (Str/Cha)/Marshal (Dex/Wis)/Warden (Str/Con)- PC Josef (If this is something his character would aspire to), NPC Kesten (seems like leading soldiers is something he is used to). Ultimately, we will need another NPC to fill the third slot of this Martial Triad, and I kinda picture these three positions working essentially hand-in-hand.
Grand Diplomat (Int/Cha) - Jory Option 2 (Mechanically he’d rock it here. But I have felt his play style fits Spymaster better, from a RP standpoint)
High Priest (Wis/Cha) - Lisl (Just seems a natural fit to me)
Magister (Int/Cha) - Freya (her training in both arcane and divine makes her a uniquely suited fit for this role)
Spymaster (Dex/Int) - Jory (Given his background and style, I feel this is a logical fit)
Treasurer (Int/Wis) - Oleg (He is a businessman, even if a bit of a recluse. Maybe he won’t want it, but he’d be good at it I think)
Magister seems like a perfect fit for Freya.
Isabel is right, Freya would have no desire to be the Treasurer, despite her ideal stats.
I'd suggest Svetlana for Councilor for the time being.
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Here is how I kinda have been looking at things, with reasons why as well. Of course, everyone is going to have a different outlook on their own positions, so I think if everyone posted a similar list as Isabel, we will be able to reach a consensus.
Ruler (Cha) - Darian and Isabel (Being married, both of us can hold the position, and Darian’s eventual Boosted Leadership and Natural Born Leader Trait will help as well)
Good point - if we're married would that free one of us up to take on another role as well? So Darian could also be kingdom general, or Isbael could be whichever of Diplomat/Spymaster Jory doesn't want? As long as one of us had ruler as their only role...
I'd love to take the Cult Master archetype for flavour, but mechanically it kinda sucks...
Sorta-kinda: The relevant rules are:
"If you marry someone of equal station, you both can act as Ruler. You both add your Charisma modifiers to the kingdom attribute (or attributes, if the kingdom is large enough). As long as one of you is present for 1 week per month, you avoid the vacancy penalty."
"A character can only fill one leadership role at a time. For example, your character can't be both the Ruler and the High Priest. Even if you want the Ruler to be the head of the kingdom's religion, she's too busy ruling to also do the work of a High Priest; she'll have to appoint someone else to do that work."
I think if we are both Ruler, then that’s that for us. But, it essentially doubles that positions bonus. Which can eventually go to all categories. So, yeah, awesome. Plus we can get another person in one of those spots.
If the others are all on board. ;-P
Is Darian gonna have to be the voice of restraint?
You guys are really intimidating.
The boys wore me out during the campout, so I came back exhausted. I looked at all the posts Sunday night and threw up my hands, figuring I would catch up Monday. Then I didn't get home until after 8 PM, and you've posted more today than you did all weekend!
I'm gong to try to work in this thread first, then the gameplay thread. But it is after 10 now.
Wow.
I don't know if anyone else carries a bow, but Josef has one. Better than the one we found, naturally.
But since he has a bow, he could use the animal bane arrows if we have a need later. Or we could split them between archers if we have more than one.
I don't see Josef as a spymaster. I just don't.
Marshal looks like a good fit mechanically. The entire military/law enforcement angle is an acceptable (if slightly twisted) fit.
Now to try to figure out how to catch up with the marriage proposal and on . . ..
Scale mail +1 - 600 gp
MW Cold iron longsword - 156 gp
MW longbow - 187gp 5 sp
6x +1 Animal Bane Arrows - Josef
Total Sales: 943 gp 5 sp
For simplicity’s sake, everyone fine with taking a slightly smaller share than group loot this time? If so, it’d be 143 gp each, with 148 gp 5 sp to group loot.
Maybe we could add these to the loot pile we use as donation for entry into the Stag Lord’s fort?
A pewter drinking stein worth 12 gp,
A silver ring worth 35 gp,
A jade carving of a nude female elven monk worth 85 gp
Case of Liquor
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As to Leadership Roles, so far looks like we’ve got this:
Ruler (Cha) - Darian/Isabel
Councilor (Wis/Cha) - Svetlana?
General (Str/Cha) - Kesten
Grand Diplomat (Int/Cha) - Jory
High Priest (Wis/Cha) - Lisl
Magister (Int/Cha) - Freya
Marshal (Dex/Wis) - Josef
Spymaster (Dex/Int)
Treasurer (Int/Wis) - Oleg
Warden (Con/Str)
Any other thoughts?