Another point that I almost forgot to make. Please feel free to have OOC discussion here, and to coordinate level-ups to maximize the party's effectiveness. Or splitting treasure up (probably want to designate someone the loot tracker). That being said, all party planning needs to be done 'In Character'. Combat tactics and things of that nature are fluid, and hopefully you guys get into a rhythm of anticipating what each of you will do. Until then, you will likely have to call out instructions or warnings to one another, instructions or warnings that enemies can hear and possibly understand.
I would prefer that you use a cue for NPC interaction instead of what you are doing. For example, you might have made your first comment, then glanced at Ameiko to gauge her reaction. I post fairly often, so I assure you this won't slow things down.
Almost forgot to ask about this, but I eventually plan to pick up the deific obediance feat and eventually the evangelist prc. Are those things acceptable Crispy? If needed when it come up I can scan the page with the information on what the obedience does and send it to you if you don't have access to inner sea gods where they are listed.
Hah, that is what you get for focusing on Jessica, :P ;)
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Its because Kiley has it in for me :(. Why must you stand between me and my conquest!
Its sure to give some fun rp conflicts when we work together :d
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Well, you keep mussing up my hair for one thing. :P
Okay, anyone have any ideas on how to get Delendir involved in the shenanigans? I have one, but I'm not sure how to go about doing it. (Kiley notices Delendir wandering around town by himself, basically, and goes to see if everything's okay.)
That seems like a good way to me.
I'll let you guys get to know each other a little more, and get Delendir introduced. Then we'll progress.
Just so you know, I am very open to feedback. If you feel the game is stalling, going too fast, etc. please let me know. If you'd feel more comfortable with a PM, that is fine as well.
made one tiny tweak to my build, it will be the last one, because I realized I should probably be able to speak and read celestial (in my mind that is the language that at least good aligned clerics cast/pray in). So I dropped my one point of umd for 1 point of linguistics to get celestial. I will change it back if you require since we are started already.
No big deal. Carry on.
Didn't figure it would be since we were just getting started, but I wanted to at least state that I did it so it wasn't a surprise.
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Delendir, were you local? I thought you were, but from your posts you didn't recognize me so :p.
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Delendir is local but he does not live in Sandpoint but in a forest near. Thus, he does not know everybody. As I read you have been here just the last two years I think it is unprovable I know you from more than sight :-)
As you see he is not very social, and thus he basically has had interaction with local keepers with whom he often makes deals (exchanging fur and other products for manufactured ones).
He has moved to town recently.
Speaking of tweaks, I noticed that I had Abyssal for Kiley picked, and no idea why, would it be okay to switch it out for something that makes more sense (like Elven?)
Agreed, Kiley. Any other last minute tweaks are fine. Just let me know what they are.
Just fyi, if my posts have typos or formatting errors this weekend it's because I got stuck working obscenely long shifts this weekend and have only my cell phone for posting most of the time. Gonna be trying very hard to catch them all but no promises.
@ Delendir - It was trivial, but please try to refrain from taking actions that assume the actions of others. With random NPC's I don't much care. For major NPC's and fellow PC's, I would rather it not happen. Thanks!
@ Tal - I'll let it stand, since nobody seemed to mind, but Prestidigitation will not actually affect living matter in any way.
Sorry, my only intention was trying to interact with others not taking decisions for them. I will take more care.
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Isn't hair dead? :p Possibly a point of discussion. As a biologist I think it is. But your call :).
I'll keep it in mind just to change colors of outfits etc.
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To get technical, the visible hair itself is dead, but the root is not. I am not sure, but the limits of Prestidigitation would seem to imply that coloring 100,000 hair strands directly to the 'living' part would be beyond the spell. Regardless, possible or not, this activity is 'forcing' your effects on another PC (likewise, Delendir snatching the hammer from Kiley was a less magical but similar example), which we have already discussed at length.
Pet peeve of mine, you guys, but beyond simple things like 'I hold his hand' or 'I give him a bottle of wine', please refrain from forcing an action on your fellows. There are plenty of Roleplaying possibilities out there beyond doing this.
I'm pretty laid back, and will pretty much let you guys sandbox, but this is one of those things that is not negotiable.
Thanks!
I was trying to familiarize myself with your characters, and so I was checking some things. I hope you don't mind I make some comments. I might be totally wrong in some, as I don't know how do you plan to develop your characters, and I might have overpassed some facts or mistaken some maths.
Kiley: I think you still have 2 points to spend (14=5 points x4 stats and +2 racial to strength; so the 8 on Cha frees 2 points)
Vivi: I think I am missing something about the Int, or maybe you are planning to get wizard or magus levels? Is not better for you to increase the physical stats or Wisdom?
Jessica: That bit of luck will help us a lot in plenty of circumstances, I like it, very flexible! Do Ecclesitheurges also have proficiency with their deity sacred weapon? I see this archetype can be cool for a Monk who wants a cleric's level dip :) Don't know how much you want to sacrifice in the spells progression (I usually avoid multiclassing a caster also), but 1 monk level dip can also give you a very good boost (+4 AC, unarmed strike, stunning fist, flurry of blows, bonus feat), not that you are going to melee, but the +WIS to AC and the bonus feat sounds cool.
Tal: Your characteristics are different in the main form ( which I think are the good ones) and in the text sheet (which overspend 5 points). I think some stats (like will save) are using the wrong characteristics scores. I understand now about the sunglasses xD
Seems Jessica and Tal will stand in the rear, Kiley and Vivi clearly in the front line, leaving a perfect place for Delendir to basculate between ranged and melee combat as needed.
We don't have a backup plan for healing in case Jess drops unconscious. Don't know if anyone can play around that with UMD. If Delendir was the candidate, I would consider 1 druid or paladin level dip for wands usage, or getting those traits that allows you use UMD with Int and makes it a class skill.
I have detected these roles. Please, expand and correct my thoughts:
Social interaction (Diplomacy/Bluff): Vivi, Tal (only for some applications of the skills)
Stealth: Vivi, Tal's familiar, Delendir
Lore/investigation: Tal, Vivi
Healer: Jessica (Delendir can use the Heal skill for some help, I think spending 1 rank makes a big boost and really helps at low levels)
Detector: We all have good perception, but Tal and Delendir excel here
Trapper: Delendir
Tracker: Delendir
Battlefield control: Tal
Tanking: We have no real tank, but with 3 melees with decent armor let's see how it results
Acrobat: Delendir (Vivi could do better here)
Overall it only worries me we failing to protect Jess, she has a focus on casting and low AC, plus we have no backup other than pots if she fells. So we need to provide her good cover and hope her adoration aura keeps her up.
I have only one suggestion, if Vivi gets a focus on acrobatics and leaves more lore space to Tal (without his losing his monastery erudite background fluff of course), he could get better flanking positions to help Kitey in melee. And once with 3 ranks use acrobatics to improve his AC in the situations which requires so. And Vivi will really benefit from a mage armor wand or scrolls used by Tal to improve his AC. As a group I think after a cure light wounds wand, mage armor wand can be a good investment (benefits Vivi, Tal and Jess).
About Roleplaying
First of all I like all stories from everybody. I think Delendir will finally find some points in common with Kiley. They both lost their family in a fire and are pretty much alone. It can become really interesting to see how it evolves as both seem to have crashing characters.
With Tal and Jess, I think we can find some space around the elven origin.
And about Vivi, well, I can just say that this small spiritual guy really perplex Delendir and for some reason amuses him a lot.
I hope this can be counted among constructive ideas.
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I cant respond to everything due to time restriction, but Tal can get a wand of infernal healing for downtime healing.
And yes we must keep jess safe. Maybe we should make her invisible or with a wand of mage armor give her and vivi some protection at the low levels. Later I get plenty of spells that I can memorize them easy enough.
Stats are possibly different but the edit page keeps crashing on my mobile :(. Please take in account the right one
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Yeah, Jessica will need anything she can get to help her ac and even better provide miss chances a run of invisible would be a godsend as soon as I can get one. Fortunately I am used to playing squishy sorcerers.
I'd already checked with our dm about the weapon and he said yes I get it. He also ruled I can benefit from bracers, rings, etc since there was a mechanic left out of the archetype. I also get a bonded holy symbol that allows me to cast any one spell on my spell list once per day at 3rd level. I intend to make use of the illusion spells from my primary domain to help protect myself as well.
I am planning on picking up the evangelist prc as a mystery cultist of Shelyn. I wold loose one level of cleric ability progression but gain more skills per level and multiple useful abilities.
Thought about a level of monk for wis to a.c. but just doesn't feel right to me for the character.
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I may have to tweak my imagination subdomain, I may not have access to it after all. I will check when I get home since I dont have the pdf of champions of purity on my phone just now.
Yeah, I can understand where you are coming from Delender, and on paper it would make more sense to take some out of INT and put it into Wisdom or DEX (or even con/str). That said, I have as many points into as I do for the things that I kick myself for not having: trained skills, languages known, and bonuses to Knowledge/Crafting/Linguistics checks. Don't worry, from here on in Stat points go into DEX and WIS in an alternating fashion. Besides, I like playing a character that starts out smart. It is just how I think when crafting a character (I think the lowest I have given one of my characters is 13... and that was to a class that started out with a lot of skills off the bat anyway).
As for roles, Steath will be something I will get even better at once I hit higher levels given my architype. I just don't see him as an acrobat. I will eventually be taking the feats required to use the double (chained) kama effectively (exotic weapons, two weapon fighting and defense, and double strike... maybe two weapon rend and imp two weapon fighting), at which point I intend to use it. I can still flurry with them, and I can even use it as a reach weapon.
Until then, I will just fight using my fists and using my improved defense (costs me attack, but I intend to be a colorful distraction keeping people from attacking Jess more than a heavy dps person) when I need to.
As for RP, Vivi sees you as a man possibly cursed by the gods, possibly blessed by them. He intends to keep a close eye on you, but in a helpful way not a suspicious one. He views the rest as kind people (even Tal, but that might be because he hasn't spoken much to him yet) that he is priveledged to share this portion of his journey with.
As far as to wise, goes, Jessica is the nice girl type trying to help people feel better and see the good things in life. She will likely come to view Kiley as a sister and Tal as a possible love interest. Once she finds out Delendir's story she will likely feel a need to bring some cheer back to his life. As for Vivi, not sure about how she will view him yet other than an intriguing individual.
Okay, fixed the stats. I had originally put the +2 into INT, I put it into STR and upped INT from 12 to 14 and got STR down from 18 to 16 and upped CON from 14 to 15. So no major changes there.
K, I'm good on the subdomain, managed to check it. I realised that I need to add a small makeup kit and clerics vestments to my inventory and I will have my last tweaks done.
K, got the last items bought, the only thing I had to improvise was a makeup kit, couldn't find anything that except a disguise one wich was too mcuh s I charged 10 gold for a basic makeup kit. Also realized I forgot the travelor's outfit for the starting one, and bought the cleric's vestments and a small mirror (which I also forgot somehow).
Sorry to be so disjointed in my posting today... I normally prefer my conversation posts to be more organic, but its hard for me to do in banquet settings by post. I hope I haven't left anyone out, so to speak.
We'll wait for Delendir to get a post in before continuing.
On a side note, I don't see how you expect any semblance of rational thought from your male counterparts with that on, Jessica.
That's kinda the point now isn't, I mean, how do you think her adoration ability functions anyway?
Jessica's the "Harmless" eyecandy. Kiley's the hammer they never see because they are too focused on the eyecandy.
LOL, it was meant in jest, ma'am. I am certain they won't mind at all. Although 60% of your party being useless is an unusually large proportion. ;)
But at least Kiley has nice hair, for now! Don't forget that!
Oh, I figured it was a joke, so no harm done, and here here Kiley, here here.
True, but Kiley's cute, and the nice hair isn't going to change that. She's also shy. She isn't going to have the same distraction potential unless we run across some guys that have a Loli fetish.
Besides, part of Kiley's appeal for me is picturing guys twice her weight and two feet taller running in terror after thinking she was an easy kill/mark/prey. That's also the reason a lot of my characters are short, it's an amusing image to me.
@Jessica: Glad you approve. :D
hahahaha... Vivi will probably think both of you are beautiful in your own ways... oh, will point out that Vivi won't eat meat, but isn't a "celebate" monk. ;)
He'd be far more dour if he was, surely.
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For ease of use lets just say I prepared a normal magic missle for now instead of Snowball and that I need to switch the latter out with another spell when I got the time to check the spell list in my spells known list.
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Since that seems to be the only comparable spell in your spellbook, I'll allow it. Let's go ahead and get that updated, though, as you have had plenty of time to do so. I'll give you two more days, then you're stuck with Snowball in your spellbook.
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I'm currently traveling and limited to my phone to interact with the pbp's I'll try my best to find a good substitute. Should be a Conjuration dmg spell in the list somewhere besides snowball.
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I want to say there is an acid one similar to shocking grasp, corrosive touch I think.
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corrosive touch 1d4 acid per cl max 5. Melee touch only though.
OK, looking over flurry of blows a bit more... question regarding it. The way it is reading (that I can tell) is that it effectively acts as the two weapon feat for "monk" weapons... except that I don't have the feat, and it only kicks in when I actively choose to flurry. So... if I am right, I shouldn't have to worry about taking it later (except for future unlocking of things like two weapon rend etc and defense) for the purposes of flurrying with my kama at -2 to each attack. Anyone (esp DM) have a rebuttle or different reading of it? Flurry of Blows text
I remember seeing a post that said you couldn't use just one weapon for your flurry. ie, you can flurry and get four attacks, and you have a monk weapon in one hand, you can attack with the weapon twice I think and use unarmed strikes for the other two attacks, but you can't jsut use the weapon for all the attacks, unless it's a double weapon, like a quarterstaff.
Other than that, it seems like you hit it on the head.
As long as I know, you are right, you can use it to double attack with monk weapons as if with TWF. But it is even better, because you add all your STR damage to your off-hand :)
What I don't know is if you can use those attacks for Combat Maneveurs like you can when TWF.
There's an archetype for that, Maneuver Master. Instead of Flurry of Blows, it's Flurry of Maneuvers. That seems like it'd be a fun one to play, especially if you used Dirty Trick alot. :D
It sounds to me like you could use all monk weapons if you so choose.
I use a pair of them, so I should be good... though I think you can use it to hit with one and then an unarmed strike.