You just wait until someone casts enlarge person on me.
Considering we don't have a sorceror/wizard in our party, I'm still not too worried. ;)
Edit: Although, I suppose Quaylon could get a wand of it for the express purpose of casting it on you...
to make the small person medium? more benefit to cast it on the medium wolf, making it large :)
Not if you want to see a gnome pick up a half orc :)
I'll take a level of sorcerer next so that I can cast enlarge person. (Assuming this bull doesn't kill me.)
Interesting combination, barb/sorc
Hehe... I'm looking forward to you explaining THAT in-character...
magic manifested in him through his gnomish origins?
Mrachni have you ever heard the spiff about the guys playing DnD and the feller Magic Missiling the Darkness?
Thats me just messing around.
Zat - important to note from RAW
Bigger and Smaller Creatures: The figures on Table: Carrying Capacity are for Medium bipedal creatures. A larger bipedal creature can carry more weight depending on its size category, as follows: Large ×2, Huge ×4, Gargantuan ×8, Colossal ×16. A smaller creature can carry less weight depending on its size category, as follows: Small ×3/4, Tiny ×1/2, Diminutive ×1/4, Fine ×1/8.
GM, I had that calculated in my numbers earlier, what I messed up on was doubling it for lift over head, when doubling it should have been for lift off ground. :)
DM: Heh, aight.
Just thought I would point it out. I didn't do the math. Sometimes new players miss that stuff, it is very easy to miss.
I don't mind you pointing it out. Every time I play I learn a rule I missed before. That one I came across about a year ago when I was helping a friend make a halfling rogue. :)
As for the up and coming Holiday.
We will post until Wednesday night then we will be on a break until the following Monday.
Post if you want to, but I won't expect you too or move the game on. I am sure we will finish this encounter by Wednesday.
I should note I will be posting minimally next week. I'm going to be pretty tied up with work but I should be able to post at least once a day.
That last action may have been a failure... The idea was to cover the escapes, not to draw more folks in to fight. Hence yelling covering the escapes and the total defensive. :P
I am sure the encounter was meant to be a test. If you note, the bull had two chances to attack the party. It pulled up short. It never attacked the group until it was threatened. This was a warning to the group, and as a GM, something I am known to do. Some encounters are meant to be avoided.
Those don't always have to be two different things...
Well, okay, so I thought the plan was to run. The entangle, at the very least, kept the bull from doing a charge attack, which was still somewhat helpful, at least in theory...
In the future, I'd recommend that if someone states an intent for the rest of the party (like screaming "RUN", for example), unless you have a better idea or it's really against your character's nature, best to just go with it - if that person dies, then it's their own fault.
So, yeah - I'm not planning on engaging something that can move faster than us and kill us all easily with a single attack (you'll notice that wasn't a critical hit, and still did more damage than any one of us have). Sorry, Zordlon - as much as it sucks having you dead, I'm not going to risk a TPK (total party kill) or my character's life to try to stabilize you.
EDIT: Whoops, just saw that stabilize is a ranged spell....guess you're in luck.
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Well, okay, so I thought the plan was to run. The entangle, at the very least, kept the bull from doing a charge attack, which was still somewhat helpful, at least in theory...
In the future, I'd recommend that if someone states an intent for the rest of the party (like screaming "RUN", for example), unless you have a better idea or it's really against your character's nature, best to just go with it - if that person dies, then it's their own fault.
So, yeah - I'm not planning on engaging something that can move faster than us and kill us all easily with a single attack (you'll notice that wasn't a critical hit, and still did more damage than any one of us have). Sorry, Zordlon - as much as it sucks having you dead, I'm not going to risk a TPK (total party kill) or my character's life to try to stabilize you.
I understand man, its cool. What was the changing event for Zordlon was seeing his little gnome friend jump over the fence. At that point He was in rescue/distract mode.
You should have one more hitpoint from favored class. base of 10 - 1 con + 1 favored class puts you at 10.
-17 puts you at -7 and stable based on Makvor stabilizing you. Not dead unless I'm missing something.
The in character problem I have was I made the decision at the beginning of the combat that if either of the two people he considered a friend got attacked he would engage but I don't know if he would do the same thing in the case of an attack that he believe killed his friend.
I guess I'll wait and see what the bull does.
Mrachni, I don't blame you out of character for moving him. it was the smart thing to do and he didn't resist. As mentioned by Zordlon, the in character thing isn't always the smart thing. Now go CLW him through the fence. :)
Yep. Took a look at it again this morning. He has -1 HP per level but adds one to his total for favored class, assuming he put that there. Putting Zord at 10 Hp with 8 Constitution. Taking a total of 18 hit points to out right kill. However if his favored class was put into something else My mistake, but then again he doesn't have his HP listed on his page GRRRRR.
Edit - Added some stuff
Quayon has the right it of by the way. Not all my encounters are solved by combat. Likewise I don't pull my punches and I am willing to throw in good shares of the various encounters, easy to epic. I won't go into the encounter beyond what you know/will find out/could have done that will ruin the experience.
Makvor, I agreed with the run plan. My character personality is that he was picked on when younger and has been in his share of fights. He also recognizes that he can probably take a hit better than anyone else in this group. If you and Spirit were on this side of the fence he would not go back.
I had also planned to play his rage out as a little more of a blind rage to start with at low levels. He doesn't control it, it controls him and certain things trigger it.
I don't blame anyone for playing their character the way they think he would respond. I couldn't quite figure out what the archer would go over the fence to shoot arrows but that is not for me to guess his logic.
GM, I do the same thing in the games I run and I tell my players before every campaign. Just because you come across something doesn't mean that you are ready to fight it and there may be plenty of ways to deal with a situation other than combat. Sometimes the only way to deal with it is to run away.
I don't see any fault in that.
If you survive this I'm gonna kill you myself. ;)
Hey, I even made it random by throwing the will save in there. :)
Just be ready to move to a square that doesn't reach the bull but reaches the gnome with a channel energy. I'm hoping bulls don't have a lot of hit points because I doubt I can take more than 2 hits.
Zordlon, you will be avenged or a dumb gnome will die trying.
If he survives, you should enjoy the role playing afterwards. If he doesn't then I'll tell you a little more about the character. :)
Yeah, right now I'm trying to figure out what to do other than yell at you. :)
The now crazed soul of Zordlon the noble archer watches his fellow companions on their journey. Granted his sense of right and wrong sane and not sane has been altered by his untimely death (for he still does not quite grasp the idea that he is dead) he continues to follow his companions and watching. (but does nothing that would interfere with the game) lol. For some say that he is not even in the same dimension, merely watching through a crystal ball in another. But to him he is right there beside the companions he once saved. And so this is his curse, to watch his companions adventure but never be able to take action. For his action is what cost him his life. Now he is cursed without action and only sight. Forever seeing adventurers go on their journey. No one knows who he will watch once the party he once belonged to gets old and cease their adventuring. It is still unclear who did this to him. Some say it was his pure will power to continue that did it, others say at the moment of his death he made an unfortunate deal with a demon. (im going to continue watching this thread and may post in discussion as zordlons ghost just for the fun of it unless it bothers anyone :P)
You might want to wait to find out how the GM handles PC deaths, first.
Well i figured i was done for. Character sheet ripped up and burned lol. This alias is just for fun. An excuse to see where and what everyone does :P
Is this your first death in PF?
This is my first "single" death lol. We either never died or we all died. Never just one person :P
The anxiety of figuring out if I'm going to die is killing me!
Over my years I have scene single death, TPKs, and Total Party Saves. Meaning the last character won by the hair of there chinny-chin-chin. I have even scene one guy roll a Critical hit while getting hit with a Critical Hit readied action. Both PC and NPC villian died at the same time.
The ghost stuff is bugging me a little I will have to say. You don't have to post to find out what is going on. Just read. If you want to make a new character to come in PM me what you're thinking of and we can talk about it.
PMing you second question.
I'm getting a 404 error when trying to access the map - can I at least get a "last known", even if the mist is obscuring everything?
Weird, working for me. Locations:
Mrachni M14
Zat L15
Bull K16-L17
Quaylon N17
Spirit N13
and you're wherever you moved last round
Over my years I have scene single death, TPKs, and Total Party Saves. Meaning the last character won by the hair of there chinny-chin-chin. I have even scene one guy roll a Critical hit while getting hit with a Critical Hit readied action. Both PC and NPC villian died at the same time.
The ghost stuff is bugging me a little I will have to say. You don't have to post to find out what is going on. Just read. If you want to make a new character to come in PM me what you're thinking of and we can talk about it.
Well the ghost thing sounds cool to me. And im torn on making another character due to the fact im dead and i kinda wanna give someone else a try and on top of that i would be causing unnecessary trouble (me and you going back and forth) because my character got gored :P.... That being said i love pathfinder. And with me making a character now i could get input from everyone. So i could make a character everyone wants around.... So just for the fun of it i would like to hear everyones thoughts on me making another character and further more what kind of character (if you want me to continue playing) would you like me to play? I can make just about anything. And i do have a mind for and investigator. I made a sherlock holmes style character a while back. He was level three but had a perception of +22 or something like that. So i would like to hear the groups thoughts on this matter :P
Actually check that, I love rpg's not just pathfinder :). i like the character making aspect and.. well i have always enjoyed building building things no matter what it is. And i do enjoy taking a day to thoroughly make a character. I actually do that when im bored lol
Makvor: I've mirrored the map here.
Edit: Just noticed that the map isn't quite correct... circular effects in Pathfinder start from the middle of a square, not a corner -- so the mist should be four squares in each direction from M14. Won't make a big difference here, though.
I have no miss givings what so ever about Zord dying and Zord's player making a new character. It was an attack roll that landed. Could have happened to anyone. More so when you have low HP and Constitution while wearing no Armor. Add to the fact that there were one of three ways an AoO was generated (moving into a combatants squares, firing a bow in melee range, climbing in a threatened area). The encounter is written as is and events proceeded down a path. Dying doesn't equal failure, it is just something that happens to characters every now and again. As players we need to expect these things and learn how to deal with them. Zord if there are issues between you and I then they are yours.
I would suggest two things for possible characters. One you play a simple character (figther, rogue, possibly cleric) and that they are of the non-Gonzo variety. This is not meant as an insult. It merely points to the fact that a degree of serious needs to enter your mindset about playing when you play with me as your GM.
Aside from characters I would ask that you think before you post and you add some more attention into the quality of them. That you pay attention to what everyone has written and allow time to post there response to yours before posting a bunch of OOC posts. PbP is slow and you need to expect and accept that. I have heard of fast games, this isn't one of them.
This isn't ment to upset you. You asked for thoughts here are mine in as a constructive way as I can present them.
Where did you get that Mrachi? According to Pathfinder_OGC the below..
Spell Area of Effect Templates
Some spells affect an area. Sometimes a spell description specifies a specially defined area, but usually an area falls into one of the categories defined below.
Regardless of the shape of the area, you select the point where the spell originates, but otherwise you don't control which creatures or objects the spell affects. The point of origin of a spell is always a grid intersection. When determining whether a given creature is within the area of a spell, count out the distance from the point of origin in squares just as you do when moving a character or when determining the range for a ranged attack. The only difference is that instead of counting from the center of one square to the center of the next, you count from intersection to intersection.
You can count diagonally across a square, but remember that every second diagonal counts as 2 squares of distance. If the far edge of a square is within the spell's area, anything within that square is within the spell's area. If the spell's area only touches the near edge of a square, however, anything within that square is unaffected by the spell
I have no miss givings what so ever about Zord dying and Zord's player making a new character. It was an attack roll that landed. Could have happened to anyone. More so when you have low HP and Constitution while wearing no Armor. Add to the fact that there were one of three ways an AoO was generated (moving into a combatants squares, firing a bow in melee range, climbing in a threatened area). The encounter is written as is and events proceeded down a path. Dying doesn't equal failure, it is just something that happens to characters every now and again. As players we need to expect these things and learn how to deal with them. Zord if there are issues between you and I then they are yours.
I would suggest two things for possible characters. One you play a simple character (figther, rogue, possibly cleric) and that they are of the non-Gonzo variety. This is not meant as an insult. It merely points to the fact that a degree of serious needs to enter your mindset about playing when you play with me as your GM.
Aside from characters I would ask that you think before you post and you add some more attention into the quality of them. That you pay attention to what everyone has written and allow time to post there response to yours before posting a bunch of OOC posts. PbP is slow and you need to expect and accept that. I have heard of fast games, this isn't one of them.
This isn't ment to upset you. You asked for thoughts here are mine in as a constructive way as I can present them.
Ok cool. hmm... now im thinking about a character. I will get back to you on what sort of character though. Yeah and i have no issues with you man. That honestly seemed to come out of left field you saying that. It confused me. I dont see what i posted that would make you think that. I mean the ghost of zordlon maybe but even then i was just trying to be a goofball lol and not saying anything about you man :P
And im torn on making another character due to the fact im dead and i kinda wanna give someone else a try and on top of that i would be causing unnecessary trouble (me and you going back and forth) because my character got gored :P....
This little bit, combined with the Ghost of Zord made me think you were a tiny bit PO'd. If your not then we don't have a problem and we can chase butterflies and stuff.
I didn't figure that you were attacking me I just wanted to be clear that there were no misgivings on my end and that goofy can go too far.
GM:
My apologies -- apparently we've been doing this wrong/house-ruled in our home games. (I should've learned by now from answering plenty of questions on the Rules Questions forum never to trust what anyone does in home games. Heh.)
Sorry about that.