Let me rephrase my question...
Handsome is taking cover behind that feature drawn onto the map, trying to get some cover from Kryten and Cat.
However, I'm not sure if that feature, which is north of Handsome's current position, is a waist high railing or a floor to ceiling wall.
If it is a railing that provides normal cover only, then Handsome will also drop prone, giving handsome not only the cover bonus but also the prone bonus vs. ranged attacks.
But if the map feature is a floor to ceiling wall, then Handsome will have total cover vs. Kryton and Cat, in which case there's no need for Handsome to drop prone.
Sorry for being long winded...I'm just not sure how to treat that thing on the map that Handsome is currently next to.
It’s not a railing or floor to ceiling, I imagine it solid and approximately 10 feet tall so you have total cover without needing to go prone.
Ah okay, gotcha! In that case, I'll admust my move one square over diagonally in order to still get some cover but have line of sight at Kryton from around the corner, if that's okay.
How do cover and prone interact? If I get prone behind cover, can I not see/shoot enemies on the other side and vise versa? Or is it more like leaning against the cover, granting bonus for cover and prone but you're still targetable?
How do cover and prone interact? If I get prone behind cover, can I not see/shoot enemies on the other side and vise versa? Or is it more like leaning against the cover, granting bonus for cover and prone but you're still targetable?
its a +8 bonus to your AC effectively.
But murphys rule of combat applies. If you can see the enemy at some point to shoot them, they can see you to shoot back.
How do cover and prone interact? If I get prone behind cover, can I not see/shoot enemies on the other side and vise versa? Or is it more like leaning against the cover, granting bonus for cover and prone but you're still targetable?its a +8 bonus to your AC effectively.
But murphys rule of combat applies. If you can see the enemy at some point to shoot them, they can see you to shoot back.
Cool cool, good to know.
@Ford
Limited AI (Ex) 1st Level
Each round on your turn, after you have acted, your drone can take either a move action or a standard action to attack (your drone doesn’t make a separate initiative roll). You must be able to issue simple commands to your drone, but you don’t have to spend actions to issue these commands. To receive these commands, your drone must be able to see or hear you or be within range of your custom rig. If you become unconscious or otherwise unresponsive, or if your drone is ever out of range, your drone cannot take any actions until you are again able to command it or it is once more within range.
Master Control (Ex) 1st Level
As a move action, you can directly control your drone. This allows the drone to take both a move action and any standard action this turn (one from your control, and one from its limited AI). If you also take a swift action, your drone can take a swift action as well, or it can combine its actions into a full action. Your drone must be able to see or hear you, or be within range of your custom rig, for you to directly control your drone.
Basically the drone gets 1 move or standard action a turn and you get a full round as usual. You can use a move to give your drone a move action as well. So if you both move in one round, only one of you can perform a second action. If you both shoot in the same round only one of you can move.
Makes sense... I think. Cam should've already been close to the bad guys (I failed to move him before because I suck at maps), so he should've moved last round. Hence the attack.
@Egg, at 9am tommorow pacific time i assume you delay
friendly sauce, just checking... I cannot use inspiring boost on myself, can I? I'm guessing not but want to confirm your take on it.
I believe you can, you should be able to count yourself as an ally
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If an improvisation allows you to grant an effect to an ally, you cannot grant yourself that effect unless the improvisation states otherwise. If an envoy improvisation allows a saving throw to resist its effects or requires an enemy to attempt a skill check, the DC is equal to 10 + half your envoy level + your Charisma modifier
Inspiring boost doesn't seem to have that exception.
of course if the dm wants to let the goblin talk himself into feeling better...
Sharp eyes, BNW! Thanks for finding that!
I think I'll have the goblin talk to himself whether or not there's any mechanical effect!
Sharp eyes, BNW! Thanks for finding that!
I think I'll have the goblin talk to himself whether or not there's any mechanical effect!
Second, this was unnoticed by my home group too
Yeah, my envoy soldier walked into the fine print on Get'em hard.. it takes a move action to keep going, and she uses a crossbolter.
Is there a fire hose, chemical shower, or something similar on the docks?
Where is Ford looking for DR34-M12 to move to?
Part of it was flavor, you can move wherever. Just using Cam to get a better view of the situation and relay locations to the others.
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and ya'll thought whichever officer that had to interview the goblin had the short straw...
A link to the loot and skill matrix has been put up, thanks to BNW for making it
Ford opted to request one of the laser pistols.
Sounds good! I updated the list to zero laser pistols. In the future, feel free to update the list yourself.
The math sounds fine to me although I was thinking to wait until we had a larger pool before dividing it up. But if anyone wants to make a purchase with their share of credits, I suggest anyone can call for the pool to be divided up at any time.
For now, seeing as we've got the math already done, let's divide it up. Everyone can add 85 creds to their inventory and on the loot sheet, I've zero'd out the credits but added a line for party fund.
This sound good to everyone?
Looking for confirmation I'm reading some abilities correctly.
Remote Hack: This functions as a standard hack but allows me to do it at range and gives targets or observers a skill check to notice.
Wireless Hack(Exocortex): By spending a move action to activate, this lets my Exocortex spend an an effective standard action to hack each round as long as I'm within 20ft of the target. I can use my own actions to add to this effective standard action.
Does the Exocortex's Wireless Hack give a check to notice? If not, does adding my own actions then give a check per the Remote Hack ability?
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When i was a kid (and well into when I was an adult) there was a "cheese store" half a mile down the road. I've always liked cheese so one of the first things i did when i turned 10 and was allowed to walk along the highway (free range children era...) was walk there.
The shelves had dust covered pasta boxes from the 60s. I got a surprised look and and angry "what do you want" before proceeding to name 4 or 5 different types of cheeses i was looking for in a montey python esque discussion with the owner before backing out slowly.
Always meant to look into what was going on with that place.
Unless anyone objects, I'll assume you guys stay the night in the hotel and I'll fast forward to the meeting tomorrow in about 2-3 RL hours.
That's fine by me
Sorry for the delay, caught something that knocked me on my butt.
Sorry about that lack of posting, I just started a new job yesterday so I'm still adjusting haha.
New post is up, Jabaxa is added to the NPC's slide.
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This sounds like a great time for Cam to show that we didn't start hostilities.
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...good point!
I'm not getting a clear image of computer systems in Starfinder. Is the average location hooked up to the local area network? Or is it more like Shadowrun, with most systems being closed. For example, could I hack in to the club's computer systems from a distance or would I need to gain entry and find a local data port?
I'm not getting a clear image of computer systems in Starfinder. Is the average location hooked up to the local area network? Or is it more like Shadowrun, with most systems being closed. For example, could I hack in to the club's computer systems from a distance or would I need to gain entry and find a local data port?
Remote hacking is an ability, and it only works from a few dozen feet away. Which would be really useless if you could wi fi or remote hack things.
I don't think this is on accident. They don't want the older editions of shadowrun problem where the hacker does everything from home for half an hour and then watches a movie while the team moves in.
Remote hacking is for hacking a local data point without being adjacent to it. So I could say, sit in a chair across the room and access someone's encrypted cell phone while it's in their pocket, whether or not I have network access. Which is going to be great come lv 5 with DR34-M12's exocortex and data jack. Just sit there quietly in someone's office while Handsome keeps them distracted.
I meant more like, are the clubs computer systems connected to the infosphere network, or are they completely closed off? If connected to the network, I could use another computer with network access to connect to their systems and attempt to bypass their firewalls, per the computer rules. If they are a closed network, then only their own computers would have access, and I would need one of them to gain access.
For this example, would I be able to attempt to access the club systems to add our names to the guest list, find blueprints of their recent renovation, gain access to their camera feeds, etc from my computer or would I need access to theirs?
For this example, would I be able to attempt to access the club systems to add our names to the guest list, find blueprints of their recent renovation, gain access to their camera feeds, etc from my computer or would I need access to theirs?
The ability would seem to imply that future computers can tell the difference between a local signal and someone somewhere else.
The ability would seem to imply that future computers can tell the difference between a local signal and someone somewhere else.
For this example, would I be able to attempt to access the club systems to add our names to the guest list, find blueprints of their recent renovation, gain access to their camera feeds, etc from my computer or would I need access to theirs?
Current computers can already do that, that's why IP spoofing is a thing. I think you are a bit caught up in the names of the abilities.
This lets you make a check while not actually being at the computer to use it. It doesn't mean you can only hack things in the network within 20 ft of your computer. How could any computer network function if you need a physical data connection every 20 ft?
Since you can put a tier 0 computer in your wristwatch and get planet wide wifi for 100 credits when would you not be able to hack everything around you using a computer?
Since you can put a tier 0 computer in your wristwatch and get planet wide wifi for 100 credits when would you not be able to hack everything around you using a computer?
Only if it was connected to a network I could access from the my watch. Which is why a lot of things will have closed networks with limited access points. So for instance, this club would be connected to the internet, but would likely only have a single outside connection which is behind a firewall. This gives a single, strong point of defense for the benefits and vulnerabilities of being connected to a greater network. Once past that initial firewall though, their system might be completely open to exploit.
Plus, even with a somewhat vulnerable system that is open to the net, there would likely still be multiple things not accessible. Sure, I might tap in to their camera feeds so we can get a lay of the land or add our names to the guest list. But the gangs sensitive information is stored on a computer not connected to the net which I have to physically access, or get within 20 ft off with the Remote Hacking ability. And of course, they would be absolute fools if the automated defense turrets were accessible from the internet.
A small cafe would be an example of a vulnerable system. They are connected to the internet for the usual business purposes. Their firewall keeps the door shut and stops just anyone from mucking around. However, it's more of a deterrent than an actual defense. Any decent hacker can get through. The real defense would be a lack of incentive to hack the location and them being hidden amoung however other many insignificant businesses that are connected to the internet.
Where as a high security research facility would be completely closed off from outside networks and would have multiple, redundant firewalls and other such defenses we would need to continually bypass.
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I think you're using too many real world analogies here.
Just like trying to rationalize the physics of a fireball in an enclosed space, computers in Starfinder have a limited number of rules that define what's capable.
Although I don't have the book with me right now to check (and Paizo is 6 months late getting their SRD online), I do not believe it is possible to hack a computer from across the station.
I think you have to physically be there (or close, at least).
I remember reading something about the inability to access a high tier computer through a low tier one. I'll check when I have some time.
starjammersrd has the stuff online when you're out and about
I think you're using too many real world analogies here.
Very probably. Also, how much of a defense should I be looking at, computer wise? I'll just go ahead and assume we don't have to worry about gattling laser wielding angels bringing the pain if we don't do a proper scrub after a fire fight? Or rather, a fire fight we start.
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starjammersrd has the stuff online when you're out and about
I used them for I think 3 days before Paizo asked them to change the name from StarfinderSRD to StarjammerSRD. Then, in true d20pfsrd fashion, they started adding third party content, so I really can't trust them.
Archivesofnethys has some content, but he's slow to update and there's not much there in the way of game rules.
Okay trying to read through all the computers rules and I'm just getting more confused on computers. Starfinder seems to have taken the half-measure approach. There simply aren't enough rules to comprehensibly handle electronic devices and networks, and there are too many rules to just hand wave everything. Everything feels like an unserviceable mash of 50's and 80's popular fiction takes on computers. Like, every planet has their own internet, which apparently nothing is actually connected to. There is not a galactic wide network, but despite this, planetary networks can somehow send messages and updates to other planet's networks. And for no reason at all, despite having FTL communication and travel there aren't just a bunch of comm bouy's spread around to form a proper intergalactic network.
It keeps mentioning downloaded datasets to take a 20, but I can't find anywhere about how large those files are. Or how much information a computer can hold. Since it keeps calling out needing to download those sets, I assume there is some sort of storage capacity limit. But honestly with quantum computing, AI gods, and the magical ability to compress matter so that it doesn't take up space, I find the idea that computers don't have near limitless storage capacity to be laughable. Which then raises the question of why I need a specific data set when I can just download the entire internet to my phone? My completely non-magical phone waaay in the past has wikipedia downloaded to it. I have a flash drive in my desk that has an uncompressed copy of wikipedia downloaded to it. But I couldn't do that to the magic computer in my magic android's head because that covers all topics, and you can only download data sets by specific topic? How the f**$ does that work exactly?
There also seems to be this idea that only electronic devices with an assigned tier count as a computer. Thus, everything lacking a tier can't be hacked. Because you can only hack something with the computer skill, and the computer skill only sets DC by tier. Which I simply find ridiculous. Your notebook battery and smart fridge wouldn't normally have a tier per Starfinders classifications, but they can certainly be hacked.
This is frustrating.
And for no reason at all, despite having FTL communication and travel there aren't just a bunch of comm bouy's spread around to form a proper intergalactic network.
There isn't any FTL communication. The fastest / only way to send a message FTL is to have a ship go through the drift. Since the drift tends to suck random bits of extraplanar stuff into the prime material plane i'm going to go with the idea that leaving a portal open would be a bad idea.
Comm units and the like are listed as tier 0 computers.
It keeps mentioning downloaded datasets to take a 20, but I can't find anywhere about how large those files are. Or how much information a computer can hold
They're in the pact worlds under library chips. They give a +4 to recall knowledge on one topic and costs 250 credits. Your phone probably can't hold the entire internet, but planet wide wifi is available for 100 credits. In which case a library chip would probably be like a subscription to a technical journal or something
And for no reason at all, despite having FTL communication and travel there aren't just a bunch of comm bouy's spread around to form a proper intergalactic network.
There isn't any FTL communication. The fastest / only way to send a message FTL is to have a ship go through the drift. Since the drift tends to suck random bits of extraplanar stuff into the prime material plane i'm going to go with the idea that leaving a portal open would be a bad idea.
Comm units and the like are listed as tier 0 computers.
It keeps mentioning downloaded datasets to take a 20, but I can't find anywhere about how large those files are. Or how much information a computer can holdThey're in the pact worlds under library chips. They give a +4 to recall knowledge on one topic and costs 250 credits. Your phone probably can't hold the entire internet, but planet wide wifi is available for 100 credits. In which case a library chip would probably be like a subscription to a technical journal or something
Library chips can't be the same thing as they aren't in the core rulebook. Datasets are what allow you to take a 20 on a knowledge check without access to a planetary infosphere. They are mentioned but the core rules don't seem to give any actual information on them.
Drift beacons specifically state they can send communications. It just takes as much time as traveling there does. I'm not sure how the drift sends physical mater and electrical signals at the same speed since it specifically isn't a magical effect, but whatever, because this is hardly a limit on a galactic wide information network. Sure, you couldn't use it for real time chat, but most functions of the internet would be more than doable. Also the sending spell has been a thing for thousands of years, so just use a wondrous item of Sending for that. The more power the drift beacons(and having multiple does increase this) the less time it takes to go there. Absalom station and several major communications hubs could be used to as quick information reroutes.
And that's with just using the drift, which is actually not very impressive given what magic can do in the Pathfinder universe. Magic can reduce the physical mass of an object to 0, possibly below, and can instantly transport physical matter between one point to another. Magic can easily replicate FTL travel, and it would likely be able to do it easily and with far less restrictions. The Elf Gates are a thing, and I simply don't buy that a similar technology couldn't be created given the literal thousands of years of technological and magical development.
And then there is the completely lack of creativity with magic. Get a quantum AI, put it in timeless dimension, BAM elf gates. Why hasn't a Wizard done this? Be a Wizard, make a timeless Wizard School powered by a modern education system and a magical Dyson Sphere. Now you can build more Dyson Spheres and magical teleportation gates. And this isn't even much of a magical exploit. You can do far, far, far more nasty things.
I do think that 2000 years in the future, my phone will be able to hold the internet. In a world where magic exists, I frankly find anything else to be unacceptably idiotic. I mean let's be honest here, no one would think twice about a magical book that contained all knowledge in Pathfinder. It would need to be an artifact, sure, but it's 100% within the possibilities set for the game world. But I'm supposed to think that thousands of years of technological and magical development means HDD size might still be a think? Are you really going to keep a straight face and tell me a Hard Drive of Holding wouldn't be a thing?
The more I pull at these threads the more The Gap feels like a lazy narrative device to not have to properly build out the setting.
Library chips can't be the same thing as they aren't in the core rulebook.
That doesn't follow at all. Its entirely possible that paizo realized that they forgot something and chucked it in the first expansion book they could.
r. A library chip counts as a downloaded
data set for the purposes of using the skill that the library
chip pertains to. While using a library chip, you can attempt
untrained skill checks to recall knowledge on that subject if the
DC is 20 or less.
Drift beacons specifically state they can send communications. It just takes as much time as traveling there does. I'm not sure how the drift sends physical mater and electrical signals at the same speed since it specifically isn't a magical effect, but whatever
Light speed is slower in the drift or ships move at about light speed in there
As a narrative device, it means that sometimes you're cut off from the pact worlds and have to adventure without any of their support.
because this is hardly a limit on a galactic wide information network. Sure, you couldn't use it for real time chat, but most functions of the internet would be more than doable.
Shirrendoublesonly.com ?
The more I pull at these threads the more The Gap feels like a lazy narrative device to not have to properly build out the setting.
If we're going to go full reality rather than space opera tech we shouldn't ve adventuring at all AI robots should be doing this job.
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The more I pull at these threads the more The Gap feels like a lazy narrative device to not have to properly build out the setting.
The setting has been around for, what, 15 years? Longer? Starfinder is the third ruleset and Pathfinder v2 will be the fourth (plus all appropriate Alphas and Betas).
The Gap must exist and must be unquantifiable in order for Pathfinder (and its sequel) to exist. With the Gap, gods/species/worlds can appear/disappear/reappear without worry of upsetting Starfinder.
Giving computers a data limit would be too restrictive and tedious of an implementation for a system that is already being picked apart. There's no way to appease every level of understanding, so they drew the line somewhere between minimal and handwavy.
As someone who used to be able to build a computer, who now just buys a new one every so many years, this Level of depth is comfortable for me to struggle with.
Anything more and I probably wouldn't be interested.
That doesn't follow at all. Its entirely possible that paizo realized that they forgot something and chucked it in the first expansion book they could.
r. A library chip counts as a downloaded
data set for the purposes of using the skill that the library
chip pertains to. While using a library chip, you can attempt
untrained skill checks to recall knowledge on that subject if the
DC is 20 or less.
No, because that would be fixed with Errata, not a new book to buy. Library cards are a separate item, with a price, that give a bonus to the check. The count as a data set, so clearly are not the same thing. Library cards also contain all information for a single knowledge check. Raising further questions about data sets, since those have to be about specific topics, such as laser weaponry. Because they have to be about a specific topic, this implies a data limit, as otherwise you could just download everything and call it a day and wouldn't need to specify topics.
Shirrendoublesonly.com ?
Commerce and wide scale information exchange. Small scale information exchange could be handled by magic which instantaneously crosses any distance. Magic which has commonly existed for thousands of years. Youtube and the like would be more like scheduled television, being updated in batches instead of real time.
If we're going to go full reality rather than space opera tech we shouldn't adventuring at all AI robots should be doing this job.
I am an AI robot. And yeah robots and undead should be doing everything and I wouldn't mind a detailed reason for why things are the way they are. Reading through the core rules and the pact worlds, it just feels like an incomplete setting. Pathfinder is A, Starfinder is C and the Gap is the reason we don't have to explain how things got the way they are. The universe just "popped" in to existence like this, deal with it.
I mean, the Gap ended 300 years ago. FTL 300 light years or more from the planet and take a look at what was happening then. "Oh ummmm but uhhh the gap totally effected all particles of light at once even though we keep specifically referring to memories and records." jlawOK.gif
The Gap must exist and must be unquantifiable in order for Pathfinder (and its sequel) to exist. With the Gap, gods/species/worlds can appear/disappear/reappear without worry of upsetting Starfinder.
Simply not true. It only has to be like that if they don't have a long term plan for either Pathfinder or Starfinder. If you know the major changes you are making in Pathfinder, then you know what to take in to account for Starfinder. But Starfinder doesn't even take in to account options from the Pathfinder Core Rulebook. One of my major problems with the Starfinder setting is that it actually isn't a Pathfinder sequel. It reuses a lot of lore and art, but it doesn't actually advance any of that lore. It doesn't take the events that have transpired, the magic and technology at play, and follow that to it's natural conclusion. Starfinder should have been what the Pathfinder universe turned in to. As it stands, Starfinder is a generic sci-fi setting with fantasy elements poorly and confusingly spread throughout.
Giving computers a data limit would be too restrictive and tedious of an implementation for a system that is already being picked apart. There's no way to appease every level of understanding, so they drew the line somewhere between minimal and handwavy.
The issue is that they have given computers a data limit, they just didn't define that limit. So if I say, want to download something, I have no way of knowing if it will fit. This leaves arbitrary DM decision making for something like "how much data can my computer hold." Which is not how you build a sci-fi setting. And, again, this means that somehow no one has invented a HDD of holding.