GM Edwin's Dark Outpost

Game Master Insnare

Hi,

I am contemplating running an old school(deadly) sci fi campaign based on the "Dark" series by James Ward and co.

The idea is to start with 1st level Pathfinder characters using the Santiago AP sci fi modifications.

I was wondering if anyone is interested in such a thing.

Thanks!

I need more info, minus the old school, none of that meant anything to me.

I'm listening...

You certainly have my attention...

not acquainted with any of the namese you mentioned, but will keep tabs on this thread.

Do tell....

As an aside, I echo Korak:

I need more info, minus the old school, none of that meant anything to me.

Hmm, I want to run an adventure module or series starting with Dark Outpost written by the creator of Metamorphosis Alpha and Gamma World.

The module takes place on a space station that has lost contact with the Fleet and the Fleet sends a recon team to figure out what happened and report back to them.

Santiago was an aborted AP written by EN and they have an excellent Player's guide which would show how to make sci fi characters in PF which is here on paizo for free.

Hmm, am I missing anything?

i am intrigued

Tractor beam locked... being drawn in... ;)

Argh.. another game I'd love to try for, but don't think I'd be able to do. I may TRY to apply for this. the Santiago rules are pretty nifty and I've used them in the past myself.

I would like to have between 6 and 7 players to keep it interesting and would hope that each person wouldn't have a problem making two characters. One as a primary and then one as a secondary if someone gets killed.

Dotting for interest.

Great, I think I am up for running this bad boy.

Here is the deal. 20 pt buy, 1st level wealth as per the Santiago Rules. Your character is somehow affiliated with the Fleet, be they mercenaries, soldiers, scientists or whatever. If you want to create a race, follow the Santiago guidelines, just write me about the world it comes from and such.

If you have any questions, feel free to hit me up on PM or just post here.

DARK OUTPOST

A space station in geosynchronous orbit above a small class M planet lays in wait. This massive station, built by robots and crewed by automated machines, is the pride of the galactic fleet, and the hope of those that will colonize the planet below. But something has gone wrong.

Nearly a month ago, all communications from the outpost ceased. A patrol vessel was sent in to investigate, and it, too, was never again heard from. Since that time the Planet Kask outpost has been known as the Dark Outpost. Have you the courage to explore its mystery?

Can i get a link? to these awesome rules?

I ended up finding the link and checked out the players guide.

I would be interested in a cyborg or an engineer. If you would like me to start a work up of the characters let me know. Also posting requirements?

santiago

Have been looking over the players guide and current inkling is to play a (as yet to be determined) "alien" race - cyborg or soldier as my primary character.

Alex S above called dibs on cyborg & engineer so won't step on his toes if he has a preference.

Thoughts on my "alien" race is more of a genetically modded humanoid rather than straight up ET... likely a legacy race who were adversely affected by their environment?

Possibly large size (eugenics??) + another tbd...

The Spawn Villain Overtkill is my inspiration (lookwise)

Oh dude i just meant that id be okay with playing either a cyborg or an engineer. Im okay with one or the other and my 2nd character can just kind of be anything as far as im concerned.

so if you want a cyborg go get u some.

Would you be okay if I were to copy a character I used for a different game that she didn't get into? Android magus (mindblade archetype). Mechanics-wise she's follows the rules. Flavor-wise her psychic weapon and spells are her exerting control over her nanites. She'd sorta be like a tecnomage from Babylon 5 (not the Paizo one) that uses 'electron incantations). That, or I'd make a new android magus and use the Santiago names for 'spells'. She'd still probably be a 'technomage' though.

Cheers Alex - early days on the concept front... however if i run a cyborg and you go engineer its likely they'll have a degree of crossover :)

Dotted for later :D

Actually, since spells in Santiago are not "Spells" but instead something more technological, I could just do a normal magus and use an energy sword. Or I could go myrmidarch and switch between the energy sword and a firearm.

EDIT: Although psychic spells do not have a spell-failure/interference chance....

GM the rules talk of Psionics will you let them in.

If yes I would like to re-task Annra Blake
An Alien Replicant Telepath Psion and her Psicystal [Second PC] Skafin for the Game.
They work as a team

Also would you consider a higher starting level as this is a one off, say level 3, a lot of classes don't really do that much till then.

AS, those ideas are fine.

BD, I like your thinking.

WH7, that would also be cool.

AB, psionics would be fine, the second character would be part of team 2. or a replacement if char 1 gets killed. This isn't a one off. There is a series of three so far and I have the first two and should be getting the third soon. if the characters survive, they will level up.

Hmm... Are we using the ranged attack of opportunity rules? They seem like they take away most of the reasons anyone would use a melee weapon.

Also, if you have a laser pistol, you can make attacks of opportunity against everything within 120ft, which seems a little excessive.

To me at least.

Hmm, have to think on that one for a bit.

Oh dude i just meant that id be okay with playing either a cyborg or an engineer. Im okay with one or the other and my 2nd character can just kind of be anything as far as im concerned.

so if you want a cyborg go get u some.

Insnare & Alexander here's the proto origin I've come up with for my character:

On Hildegard, the homeward colony of the Neu-Prussian enclave of humanity. The Junker ruling class have always endorsed both technical expertise and military might, despite the relatively small size of both their populace and resources.

Höllen Amboss (Neu Prussian: Hell’s Anvil) is one of the planet’s moons, a prison world where the Neu-Prussia’s Strafbartruppe (NP: Penal Forces) rule with an iron fist and forge both weapons and men, and sometimes something in-between…

The Mekanmensch (NP: Mechanical-men) are cyborg shock troops; a product of eugenic tampering of the prison stock coupled with prototypical weaponscience.

Created with an emphasis on functionality over ascetics the Mekanmensch are often found in the company of members of the Ingenieurkorps - Field Engineers who test weapons chemical, biological and mechanical as well acting as handlers of these hulking cyborgs.

My primary character: Konrad Seiben (7) is one such cyborg… :)

Alex - IF your considering an Engineer character (or anyone else for that matter) - you could perhaps be a member (or former member) of the Ingenieurkorps??? Would allow for a joint background of sorts?

Any thoughts - feedback (I've tried to touch on some minor elements of the Santiago setting - I'm a huge fan of Dune/Space Master and 2000AD so have dropped elements of all three into my musings :)

Okay, I'll go with an android mindblade magus for my first character. She's a 'techno-knight' or sorts, possibly part of a larger order that is affiliated with the Fleet. Her 'psychic' weapon of choice will be a nanite-formed purple-bladed energy sword. Her psychic spells could be called Algorithms even.

Unfortunately, since many psychic spells require an emotion component, I have to drop a feat into the android's Empathy feat. No biggie though.

Perhaps androids were created by this 'techno-knight' order as the perfect evolution of living technology.

As for my second character... Hrm. Maybe I'll go Elven Ranger that uses an energy bow. She'd use the Seeker (from Santiago) and Hooded Champion archetypes. She'd essentially be a mercenary looking for a job.

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EDIT: What do you mean by 1st level wealth as per Santiago? Do you mean credits instead of gold? If using the starting wealth for each class, is it average, max, or dice roll?

EDIT 2: Also, what languages are available for selection?

EDIT 3: Are we using standard Skills or Pathfinder Unchained Background Skills? (Background Skills are the only thing I like from Unchained)

EDIT 4: One last question. How many Traits, and can we use Drawbacks for an extra?

BD, having a little fun with Google translate, I see. Neu Preußen... Amboß der Hölle, strafbar is an adjective meaning penalizeable.. Richtertruppe would be better. Strafftruppe was or is the name for Soldiers who have committed a crime and have to do work.

Your background idea is fine by me. We aren`t playing the Santiago AP but you can use the stuff anyway.

WH7, fine with me.

Average wealth in credits.

Human language would be terran and any number of alien language would also be available.

I don`t have Unchained so just regular skills as adapted for space.

You can take 2 traits. A drawback is fine if you want to have 3.

Cool GM I will edit her up to your outline..

I don't have unchained either, which is why I posted the link to the background skills. It's no biggie though.

By the way, if you head to The Official Santiago Website Resources page there is a PDF with new ranged weapons for Santiago. You need to register with ENWorld.com in order to download it though.

It has new weapons, new ammunition, and even renames for appropriate weapon special abilities.

Alexander Sabadosa wrote:

Oh dude i just meant that id be okay with playing either a cyborg or an engineer. Im okay with one or the other and my 2nd character can just kind of be anything as far as im concerned.

so if you want a cyborg go get u some.

Insnare & Alexander here's the proto origin I've come up with for my character:

Alex - IF your considering an Engineer character (or anyone else for that matter) - you could perhaps be a member (or former member) of the Ingenieurkorps??? Would allow for a joint background of sorts?

Any thoughts - feedback (I've tried to touch on some minor elements of the...

Im down, im gonna need a little time to come up with something though, ive been swamped this past week with school assignments and work, End of the month is a rough time.

Another question. For gear, are we using the things from the Technology Guide/Iron Gods AP at normal price or 10% listed price? (exempting armor and weapons of course)

Santiago was notoriously vague on gear not listed in the Player's Guide.

Lars (Engineer-probably Demo or Reg Eng) is a member of the Ingenieurkorps. He is a race of alien called Futa, they have unnaturally tough skin and are bionically inclined (reptile looking).

I have to look at the Iron Gods stuff.

Did you decide on something regarding attacks of opportunity? I'm considering a dual-wielding rogue, or something, so it'd be nice to know if I'm going to be able to make AoO's.

While we're at it, can we use the ranged flanking rules, too?

her she is, just finishing her off

I like the Teknia language AB. Think I'll use it as well.

EDIT: Sorry, Tecknia. Although Teknia looks cool as a spelling too.

Let's compile a list of languages for character creation, shall we?

• Terran - Human/Common
  
• Trade Talk - Also know as "travellers Cant" a basic space ways bartering Language of signs, sounds actions.
  
• 'Slave'er' - A Tongue, spoken by the slaves, food stock and slavers with in the Blood clan's Space Habitats.
  
• 'Tecknia' - Spoken and communicated buy constructs, robots and there technicians, highly complex and condensed Language. programming
  
• Droguth - Spoken by the race commonly known as 'dwarves'. Also known as Dwarven.
  
• Gork - Guttural languagespoken by 'goblinoid' races throughout the galaxy.
  
• Eldirin - Whimsical language spoken by the race commonly known as 'Elves'. Also known as Elven.
  

Regarding AOOs, I have thought over it and think the same distance as applied for ranged flanking according to Santiago should be the distance for ranged AOOs... mostly because it seems way too overpowered the other way.

When it comes to languages, it is nice for flavor.

Okay. That sets the stage for a high-dex dual-pistol warrior really well.

I'm thinking slayer, it'd also let me try out that new extra sneak attack feat.

Edit: Where does Alien Replicant come from? It's really powerful. +4 int -2 wis +2 str/dex/con, +1 to saves and 40ft speed? That's amazing.

Is there a race section to the santiago players guide that I'm missing? I'll definitely be investigating that, that's for sure.

Here she is.
Alien Replicant Telepath

I used race builder from pathfinder
It's RP build is 10, so same as human

Here she is.

Alien Replicant Telepath

I used race builder from pathfinder
It's RP build is 10, so same as human

You've built something way more powerful than a human.

Is the race builder even allowed? If it is, it certainly changes the game a lot. No reason to do the standard races when you can create something way more powerful with the race builder, and have it 'justify' it with an arbitrary point value.

I can see if your having a problem with this as a player, your think I am going to power game my way throw this, but that is not what I will be doing, I wanted to make an Alien race, that was fun but would be balanced. To be clear its race build cost is RP8 less than human because I have built in a load of drawbacks, to limit it.

Race Alien Replicant]

Now that is a basic Idea BUT if its felt by players and GM that the built is out of place I will change with in a moment. I am not that overly attached to my PC at this stage. Building one that fits is more important. :)

So that beings said, lets start with the Rules Alien race template

There ya are new Alien race, The Tazza

Constructed is 20RP, not 2. Your race is 26 points.

And I think the GM meant to use the alien builder from the Santiago Player's Guide, not the ARG's race builder.

Haha well that would be true if it WAS a true Construct but its not its a lesser version, An Organic Replicant, it dos not get any of the Construct and has a con score. eats and sleeps, Just a plus to saves and that's it.
It also has lined weaknesses,

But that is all Moot now as I have moved to make an Alien Race with this new rules system,

See above post on Alien race outline.

:)

Insnare, I don't think you answered the question about the Technology Guide items. Are they available for purchase? I ask mostly for Technological Gear and Pharmaceuticals (When we can afford them).

Ok remade Tazza Alien race with the new rules, race back ground, there, there a kind of space Drow, Also know as the Blood clans as they deal in Geneticly engineering slaves. The Females are Psionic and smart the males Large and dumb.

I guess it depends on a case by case basis.

hmm, a sexist would be more interesting if the men were smart and the women were strong. But whatever.

I mean a bit sexist... but ok. :)

We are using the Santiago firearms, not the Pathfinder ones, correct?