Totally understandable, and i was about to type that if anyone found something to point me hopefully wrong at something, they'd do.
But about their speed i'm wondering. They aren't wearing it, they are the thing itself.
So a double move it is, it'll be adjusted in a minute.
Edit: done.
You've withdraw more than 2x your speed, Petrok.
In the fastest parcour, you'd end on 3 squares westward.
Edit: nvm, 40ft speed.
What route did you take?
Could you mark it?
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np that's why I took the "Cinderdance" revelation..it only does one thing..add to my base speed. I bought mithral chain to keep my speed up and my heavyload belt keeps me with a permanent "ant-haul" spell. In retrospect I didn't optimize because a mitral breastplate actually gives you better AC while keeping the armor light. But, I'm an old dude and still love Tolken so mithral chain it is!
In fact Petrok is mostly just a support character. I've taken the lead mostly cause Steinhaust died and well Petrok "looks beefy" . Not blaming you for my predicament. If I die I want to die knowing I used all my abilities as best I could. If my companions can put some healing on me I might actually you know "fight back" until then..it's run Petrok run!
With withdraw the 1st square is not threatened. 2 if you have a special feat. You move through 2 squares within Michiko's reach.
You could try rolling acro vs cmd, though it'd cut the movement speed in half for the 1st part movement.
Just saying before she'd aoo your head off.
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Never mind just take the AoO do I least get +4 cover for the wall between me and her ? it is around a corner. kinda of tired of playing cat and mouse here..not much fun at all she had +14 to hit so she still would have a better than 50% chance of hitting an AC 25..suppose suppose it's written in the "scenerio" she coup de gras all downed PC's as well?
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GM I'm sorry but the route I took says u cannot take an AoO against me the relevant rule is thus: Cover and Attacks of Opportunity: You can’t execute an attack of opportunity against an opponent with cover
relative to you. pg. 195
I thought this might have changed in Pathfinder but apparently (and rightly it has stayed in: what opportunity would you have when your opponent is around a corner?) So am I in the clear at least till her turn?
Man am I paranoid? Cause u seem really intent on killing Petrok! is it because I looked up the rule about splash damage? What's going on? Why focus on my character exclusively? I haven't even damaged her! And I'm not a particularly good character just true neutral...does she have something against the green faith? doing my best to figure out why I'm getting AoO's that are not supported by the rules.
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Also, about running. I think you can only run if you go in a straight line. The extra speed from the feat is only usable when you run, so you only 5x movement when running in a straight line.
If I'm talking apples and you all are talking oranges, please ignore me.
I apologize, if Petrok gets the feeling i'm 'determined', i am not.
There was at one point this ljne that said 'pick a corner of your square to determine'. I am too sleepy to do any searching, sl yay for corner cover.
(Goes back to sleep)
To answer Petrok's questions,
- Man am I paranoid? Cause u seem really intent on killing Petrok!
I guess you're overthinking too much, were it someone else in the same position from the start, it would be the same.
- is it because I looked up the rule about splash damage?
No. Not at all, i've looked up rules as a player and GM in doubtful situations before myself as well.
- Why focus on my character exclusively? I haven't even damaged her!
From the start of the encounter, you were the closest target for the three of them to attack, after Kitoro withdrew.
Michiko wants to kill all the living, and considering her mobility with the space of the hallways, and none of the others proving a threat -yet-, she chased after the easiest target first.Had for example, Nectanebo landed a solid hit, priorities would have been shifted.
That said, the aoo/cover thing was an error on my side. I apologize for that. I recall what i was confused with, regardling that line, and that was ranged cover, which mentions -choose a corner of your square-
I'm hoping tension has gone done some, with this typed.
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Has anyone tried identifying the horse? Is it undead, magic, outsider? Like Arnie said, "If it bleeds we can kill it!" If we chop this hags horse legs from under her..she will be:
A. Less mobile
B. Fewer squares subject to her AoO
C. Knocking her off that horse is a minor de-buff; She presently get's +1 for a height advantage in battle
Chara hang in there..I'd rather be part of a TPK than run from this Tien freak. I'll need to heal and have a couple people run interference for me..but I just might have what it takes to beat her if a few of us can stay alive.
Just so hard to use your abilities when three undead start hacking at you before you can even act!
Necantabo , GM is for sure going to have those armors surround you. But they can't kill you(this round ..I think?). Get in a good strike against her or her horse...and pray we get to you before you bleed out (again I'll die with the rest of you..If I don't run[in the first round] I think we have no chance) I have some very cool anti-undead stuff but I need time to cast and prepare them. I'll need blockers (meat shields..tanks ..ect) But, I think I can at least hurt her. (the concentration thing on the positive energy is what's going to kill us if I don't make the rolls)..
But, first heal me so I can get in the fight and don't need to waste precious rounds healing myself. Necatabo if you feel you have a fighting chance to get back..by all means retreat to us in the narrow passage rooms. Kitoro you can't help Chara or Nectabo..ur not equipped to take on this kind of savage. Come back to us, heal and buff Faeran and I. Faeran heal me and yourself and start buffing for undead (btw why are u injured? did you not heal this morning before we started)?
Being mounted gives +1 height advantage?
I never knew, that never came up. :o
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Being mounted gives +1 height advantage?
I never knew, that never came up. :o
I get so much confused from Pathfinder and 3.5 I could be wrong..but yeah anytime you hold higher ground (in 3.5) you get a +1 to hit...this does not include creatures that are naturally taller than you (like giants , dragons, or even the enlarge person spell) but, only if say you were on a higher level of the staircase or mounted..look it up it's somewhere in the srd...i haven't bothered to check the Prd..
Nice hit, Nectanebo.
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If this thing takes out Necter, I was thinking the smart thing to do would be to lead it away and have someone circle around behind and heal up Charna and Necty.
In the spirit of giving advice during special situations, Faeran remember that the Fervor can heal you as a swift action. You should definitely do this. Also you could use a blessing for holy strike to give your bow +1d6 or cast magic weapon. I think enhancing your weapon is a better move than stabilizing the cleric unless she is really close to dying.
I was really surprised to see that none of your spells were personal combat buffs like Divine Favor or Protection from Evil. One of my favorite things about the Warpriest is to be able to cast a combat buff like that as a swift action using a fervor. I'd probably swap out Magic Weapon for Divine Favor if I were you. Same bonuses, but you can do it as a swift action.
Let's see what Nectanebo can do before there is any running.
Frankly, with being able to land hits of 20+ is a considerable threat to Michiko.
Michiko rolls sense motive. :)
(Joking smile)
Oh, after the rounds you've seen her in action, only now decide to roll for the horse, with a nat 1 on the 1st roll?
:)
Afaik, one can't force a reroll on an enemy.
(aside from dual cursed oracle, those can be awesome/annoying, depending pov.)
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I really don't think we can kill her..but, for what it's worth..I disagree with Kiro on strategy..she's too fast and mobile on that horse for anyone to sneak around and revive Chara.. I can channel smite which could potentially damage her for like 11hp (I'm going to assume she'll make her save) but she's at at least 23 AC! And even with my buffs I'm only at +8 to hit..So right now at best! I only have a 25% to hit her! If I am to be the "new damage dealer" than I need healing and any other buffs and or flanks you can give me. In the mean time I'll chip away at her with channels (got 5 left) and try to kill her armor friend.
Fwiw, Michiko's down to just below 30 HP.
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fyi, I just realized that Faeran has played through this scenario before .. so I'm playing it for no credit, sigh... and I have a feeling I'm gonna die here... lol... sad, eh? best I can do is hit her with the wand of cure light if she comes after me... I'd die before I could hurt her badly...
Isn't this an evergreen? Doesn't that mean you can play it twice for credit?
Evergreens mean you can replay it with different characters.
GM I bought this scenario and your mob should have been one square away from my character at the end of movement ..I carefully measured the distance and purposefully put my character within your mobs vision to see if you'd make yet another movement error in favor of your mob. You have made what could have been a fun adventure in to a competition where you make the rules as you see fit...you gave me no choice..So you know who it is and why I will share what I just reported to GM Hmm your a bad GM and I hope their are some consequences.
Hello GM,
Hmm I am sorry to have to write you about this but I think it's time.
GM Chyro is cheating...plain and simple. He is not only pushing the envelope but has outright cheated several times to give his mobs advantage. We are a group of 3/4 tier players playing in Tome of Righteous Repose Gameday 6.
http://paizo.com/campaigns/GMChyroPFSGameday6TomeOfRighteousReposeTier34 I will start by saying I acknowledge most people don't like their character dying. You'll just have to take my word when I say I am not one of those. My character is dead yet..But most likely will be if this GM is allowed to fulfill his blood-lust. We started as a Party of 6..We are down to 2 up and 2 dead, 2 un-conscious I'd like to at least try to save the un-conscious players before this over. Here's my evidence.1. All three of his mobs(encounters) ambushed us and were immediately on us before we could prepare. In the last case A Samurai warrior on a horse suddenly appeared next to us in a room without any calls for perception checks, I had just cast detect undead and the next round found myself flanked? The creature she rides is a summoned creature so A. it would have took her a round to summon and mount it.. or be she would have already done this and we would have been allowed Perception checks to hear her coming. Instead this bloodthirsty GM waited till one member of the party was separated and and surrounded him with non-incorporeal enemies..( the ant swarm just suddenly appeared two)
2. GM Chyro forgets how the rules work when it comes to his mobs. Here is a small list of rules he has forgotten and had to be reminded of.
A. can't turn while running
b. No AoO around corners (cover)
c. rules for splash weapons (he more than once forgot a character was splashed by fire or acid when they had clinging ants on them)Lastly he's made several mistakes in his favor when moving his mobs on the grid but has been ultra stickler about us marking his movement patterns. All this previous evidence Led me to do something I loathe to do. I bought the scenario. I play this game to build a story not a stat block...If my character had died heroically in the quest I would have worn it as a badge of honor. But this GM is simply on a quest to kill as if he had a bet with another GM who could kill the most players or "get the most TPKs"
You kinda know me GM Hmm, I am a player that always advocates for my players even to the point of asking you to review a situation when I killed one of my players in a trap. The last straw..(when I knew he just wanted a tpk) is he moved his armored heavy knight with a movement of 20ft 45ft around a corner in order to get an AoO on my character. I want him removed and reported..I ask that all players in PbP be aware how this GM plays. Lastly I want the most severe reprimand appropriate for a GM that is so clearly "playing against the characters" not acting as a judge on their behalf.
Thanks for your consideration..Lucklesshero
Well, that's not the morning to wake up to, m8.
Before, i pointed out that i was hoping to be pointed out where i would be wrong. So this hurt man. 1 post from the top at current page.
Either as a PM or in here.
Let's not throw mud at each other, and wait what Hmm has to say.
I'll keep this game on a haitius until this is resolved.
My apologies to whomever feels the same way, i am not deliberately looking for what lucklesshero feels i am.
But that is out of my hands now.
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Hey Gang.
Sorry, that I'm visiting your game under unpleasant circumstances. Thanks for putting this game on hiatus, Chyro.
Chyro and Luckless, I have received both your PMs. I agree that it would be a good idea to keep the public discourse civil if we can while we disentangle this. Either I or Magabeus (the VA of Flaxseed) will be reading through all of your gameplay. Wednesday is going to be crazy for me though. I have work with very little keyboard or computer time, then a game I'm GMing. So I won't have a chance to look at this until at least Thursday or Friday. If Magabeus is free, I may let him do a read through first.
Chyro, to save us time... What Arc and Location is this?
Thanks for your patience, everyone.
Hmm
VL of Online Play
Story Arc Belkzen, undead crusaders.
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Thank you all for waiting while we (the online VO-team) thought about and discussed your situation. In this post we attempt to give insight in our thoughts and provide guidance how to proceed from here.
We think this is a situation that nobody intended
Everyone is in the game to have fun. However, PbP is where all regions and playstyles meet. Sometimes different play style cultures collide with disastrous results.
It is a shame that this was posted in discussion
Everybody wants to have a good time while playing PFS. To have that we need to be respectful of one another and (occasionally) think before we press the submit post button. We understand that sometimes emotions flare up and have no problem with someone sending us an undiplomatic or emotional PM. It is something different to post something like that on the message boards. Your GM made the correct call to halt the game and give everyone the opportunity to cool down.
There is not a person here who has not made gaming mistakes.
Tome is a complex scenario, with many moving parts and odd interactions. Andrew Hoskins created a complicated make-your-own dungeon littered with creatures with unique rulesets and capabilities.
The GM made mistakes
Let’s not beat around the bush: your GM did make mistakes, which he acknowledges. The main issue that we see is that your GM is playing hard and makes mistakes. A player might get the impression that the GM is cheating if the GM does not follow the same rules as he enforces on the players. Remember Hanlon’s Razor: "Don't assume bad intentions over misunderstanding."
The request to reprimand Chyro
There is no reason to reprimand Chyro. Everyone is allowed to make mistakes and should try to learn from them. It is our opinion this is true for Chyro. We will not allow anyone to slander him because of your opinion of him. It is your decision to play at his table or not.
We have sent Chyro some tips in a PM to help him avoid such misunderstandings in the future. Take specific note that this is not because we think he is a bad GM, but as with any GM there is always room for improvement.
Encounter with the army ant swarm where Steinfaust died
Only the first character received a perception check versus the army ant swarm, where all characters should have received one. In addition the army ant swarm did not make any acrobatic checks for the greased floor while it should have made these. Both these mistakes had a considerable impact on the encounter.
We do not know if Steinfaust would have survived the encounter without these mistakes. Where there is doubt, there is cause for reversal. Since there is reasonable doubt we reverse Steinfaust’s death. Everything that happened after this encounter is impacted by Steinfaust’s death and is thus also reversed.
Looking forward
We think that this game should not continue, everybody is miserable over the situation and this scenario is lethal enough as it is. Players and GMs should trust each other; if that trust is lacking the game should be stopped. Since you have not finished three encounters all players will receive a chronicle from Chyro with 0 XP, 0 PP and 325 GP. The boons and equipment will be crossed out.
What this means in short:
Everyone is alive. No one’s WBL progression will be adversely affected by this mission, but you will not be able to do Tome again with these characters. Fortunately, it is an Evergreen, and you can all have other opportunities to beat this complicated and ever-changing scenario.
Final words
Please take a moment to learn from this whole mess, because that is what it is. Reflect on your role and what you might do different next time. We hope we have given insight in our reasoning with this post and that it does justice to the situation. If you have anything you want to share with us, then you can send me a PM and I will follow up. Happy Gaming!
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I'd like to thank the online team for stepping in, reviewing the situation and making a decision. I'm glad Steinfaust and Nectanebo are alive. I'm not 100% happy with the decision (my only real gripe is that we are receiving a chronicle at all - it is now unplayable for the other characters - I discovered partway through that I'd already played it with this character, so I wasn't gonna get a chronicle anyway - you don't need to make one for Faeran, he played this scenario last year... I 'd just forgotten it, so was playing for no credit).
I, for one, look forward to playing with all and any of you in the future, and that includes Chyro... I've played with him before, and have had no issues with his GMing during those events.
I wish you all good gaming!
- JAF0/Faeran
OH! I suppose it's kinda cheesy to ask, but do we get boon rolls since we didn't really finish?
OH! I suppose it's kinda cheesy to ask, but do we get boon rolls since we didn't really finish?
No probleem JAF0, Yes, you do get boons rolls. here they are: alphabetically by character name, GM last. 19 or 20 is a boon:
That is a boon for Chyro, congratulations!
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In addition the army ant swarm did not make any acrobatic checks for the greased floor while it should have made these. Both these mistakes had a considerable impact on the encounter.
Also, Charna's fire blasts should have reacted with the grease and cooked us all some tasty deep-fried ants!
In addition the army ant swarm did not make any acrobatic checks for the greased floor while it should have made these. Both these mistakes had a considerable impact on the encounter.Also, Charna's fire blasts should have reacted with the grease and cooked us all some tasty deep-fried ants!
That was second edition ;-), I really liked that rule and it took me a bit to get that one out of my system. Now I just need to get to grips with the fact that tThac0 does not exist anymore... nah, that was easy!
I've temporarily re-activated this thread to post the link to your chronicles.
I'll deactvate it again when everyone's reported having them.
Oh, ok. :o