Akirra |
Hmmmm. Quite the interesting group I am... going... to... join. Maybe? Eventually? :P
Some musings while I lay here waiting... (and I have no idea how anything works either. Alex has not shared with me.)
I would suspect a living receptacle would be required. Merely being a head or head shaped object likely doesn't qualify.
What indication do you have that the soldiers volunteered or were compliant in their fate? Available evidence seems to point to the contrary... the fact the doors cannot be opened from the inside being chief.
No one has any reservation or qualms with Ansha's unqualified experimentation on a sentient being? If you found a man unconscious upon a rack or trapped in the bottom of a pit would you leave him there to his fate? Would you give the crank a turn to see what happens? :)
Jakob Mulle |
I think we are just too exhausted by all the drama to argue any more.
At least I am.
EDIT: sorry that sounded far more negative than I intended. Tiring day.
Back on topic. Anything we did to you would be experimentation as we have little idea what the various controls do. If you were an NPC Jakob would be arguing that you should be left alone for later study and revival. However you are a PC and AK mentioned he wanted you up and about so we act a bit out of character to activate your character. :7)
Alexander Kilcoyne |
I think we are just too exhausted by all the drama to argue any more.
At least I am.
Definitely getting this impression from people. If you all want to call it a day, I understand. I'm still very keen on the game though.
I thought that with Okoya no longer coming in as Superman to your Green Arrows, we had resolved said drama :).
Joana |
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What indication do you have that the soldiers volunteered or were compliant in their fate? Available evidence seems to point to the contrary... the fact the doors cannot be opened from the inside being chief.
Mostly that the tablet reads "war hero" and not "master criminal." Also, that the order is Lawful and we've already found a whole room full of skeletons who apparently died happily at their posts. (Also an assumption, but one that seems to fit the facts as well as any alternate hypothesis.)
No one has any reservation or qualms with Ansha's unqualified experimentation on a sentient being? If you found a man unconscious upon a rack or trapped in the bottom of a pit would you leave him there to his fate? Would you give the crank a turn to see what happens? :)
I think mostly we've learned that arguing with Ansha avails nothing. What Ansha wants, Ansha gets. And we already know she has little respect for short (non-elven) lives. We're like bugs to her. If a fruit fly is going to die anyway in 9 days, what's the big deal in killing it on the eighth?
I would suspect a living receptacle would be required. Merely being a head or head shaped object likely doesn't qualify.
See above re: arguing with Ansha.
Also, in agreement with Jakob's edit, if we weren't under specific meta-instructions to wake you up so you can join the game, there's no way Tebati would agree to waking up a stranger rather than leaving him for the General's team of experts. Thawing things that have been frozen for untold ages is always a bad idea in fiction. ;)
Jakob Mulle |
oh no still keen on the game.
I was referring to the more general arguments the group has had over time. I am too tired for an argument in the hallway about whether to allow our dear Queen Mab to play with sleeping beauty. Jakob would be opposed, citing our lack of knowledge, but that would delay Akirra's entry which is not ideal. So we do a little meta-gaming to add a player, far from a mortal sin.
The supes drama is fully resolved, truthfully I had forgotten about it until you mentioned it.
Ansha |
Occasional drama aside, I'm still loving this campaign. Even the IC drama is often fun, though we need to probably keep in mind OOC that our characters have been through a lot together, and thus there should be more camaraderie than we sometimes show IC.
Also, I think it was perfectly IC for Ansha to experiment on Akirra, and then impulsively throw the switch to awaken him when her first idea didn't work.
Ansha |
I think mostly we've learned that arguing with Ansha avails nothing. What Ansha wants, Ansha gets.
Now that we've established this, I want a pony. And I like to think that Ansha has absolved you all of OOC responsibility for acting out-of-character by throwing the switch before anyone can stop her. ;P
Joana |
There's also the fact that I believe Ansha is the only one who reads Azlanti. Since everything's labeled in Azlanti, she's really the only one who is even aware of what she's trying to do.
Everything we know IC about the device Akirra is in:
"It looks like I might be able to extract his experiences, so I'm looking for the sort of device that could store them."
The rest of us don't even know what the other options on the machine are. As a result of being the only one who knows Azlanti, Ansha basically has carte blanche in here; it's not like any of us have any data to frame an argument.
Akirra |
Please don't take my musings as accusatory... I was genuinely curious about character motivations and party dynamics. :)
Given that...
Why would you hesitate to awaken and interact with a sleeping human, choosing to leave it to the "professionals" on the second level, but have no issues with ingeracting with talking frog demons and all the other things on level 2?
And even "war heroes" have been known to be forced into things against their will. A nice plaque is nice and all but... :)
Ansha |
Ansha does what she can get away with without obviously harming her Umkhaya, more or less. ;P As I recall, she was the one who primarily interacted with the ceustodaemon upstairs too...and it was kind of blocking their way.
Similarly, Akirra and the fountain are the two points of interest in the area now that the Umkhaya are trapped in here. She's leery of magical fountains, so she'll try that after she awakens the dude who has been sleeping for millenia.
Joana |
Yeah, with the demon we had to find a way past it or stay on the stairs forever; the way back was locked.
Akirra's totally optional. Moving forward doesn't rely on him being awake (as far as we know at this point).
Plus, Tebati really doesn't like the Order of Arioch, from what she knows of it, and if they approved of Akirra, she expects she won't like him. Darn lawful do-gooders. ;P
Jakob Mulle |
Please don't take my musings as accusatory... I was genuinely curious about character motivations and party dynamics. :)
Given that...
Why would you hesitate to awaken and interact with a sleeping human, choosing to leave it to the "professionals" on the second level, but have no issues with interacting with talking frog demons and all the other things on level 2?
And even "war heroes" have been known to be forced into things against their will. A nice plaque is nice and all but... :)
Interacting with the demon was mandatory as it was between us and the only exit. You appear to be an optional interaction. As our mission is more or less 'render the level safe and accessible' any optional interactions risk the loss of resources. As we are currently in the same position as your co-soldiers, we are locked in this level and there is no known exit, any resources expended could mean we join them in starvation and madness.
Or at least that is how it looks to Jakob.
Qhude |
Not much to add that the others haven't already said - and can reinforce most of the opinions. The reason for your character being woken right now is completely meta based. Qhude wouldn't normally let Ansha do whatever she wants and would be demanding further explanation / interjecting between her and her experiment.
There's nothing to add to that... apart from just a simple comment that if you want your musings to not be accusatory - perhaps frame them more as questions upon our character's thoughts rather than challenges why we acted / didn't act a certain way... but that's just me.
Akirra |
Wow. Tough crowd. *adjusts tie nervously*
As I am often accused of over using emoticons... and I usually mention this in any game that I play and should do so here it seems, please assume anything I say is by default in a tone of friendliness.
I thought I did ask questions... and sincerely don't know how to phrase the above differently without coming of as condescending. Perhaps that is a failure of mine. Or perhaps the medium. :P
And by all means... if this character introduction is breaking versimlitude I can wait as long as you need. :)
Qhude |
The medium has a lot to blame - as emotion is poorly translated to the written form. Lord knows I've had to trapezoidally attempt to rephrase things at times and still end up on the wrong side of it.
Why would you hesitate to awaken and interact with a sleeping human, choosing to leave it to the "professionals" on the second level, but have no issues with ingeracting with talking frog demons and all the other things on level 2?
The issue here is the implications behind the inverted comma'd 'professionals' (which implies that the party is not) and the juxtaposition with the frog demon above (which implies that we pally up to demons more easily than humans).
The question itself is inoccent enough but is framed in a passive aggressive way.Rephrased: Just so I can understand your character's thought process better, could you explain why you're hesitating to reawaken Akirra right now?
What's driving you towards delaying it until Morvius and the camp get involved?
What's different here versus the higher level with the frog demon?
Questions are straightforward and presented neutrally, without counter reference or implications.
Ansha |
he issue here is the implications behind the inverted comma'd 'professionals' (which implies that the party is not)
Jakob has indicated that if it were not being driven by meta-game concerns, IC he would prefer to leave it to Morvius' experts--pretty sure that's what Akirra was referencing by "professionals." If anyone implied that the party was not...well, Akirra wasn't the first one to do it. ;P
Joana |
Yeah, I called them the 'experts,' too. In my mind, we're the blunt force clearing the way for the scientists to come in behind us. I don't know if they're having any more luck than we are in figuring out the magic/tech behind anything in here, but Tebati certainly doesn't have the skillset to decipher any of it. Heck, she can't even read the labels. :P
Akirra |
See and here I put quotes around professionals because I was trying emphasize that your group were the real professionals and therefore my confusion as to why you would defer to the guys upstairs. Admitledly professionals is a bad term... but I thought I was repeating it from someone else's comment. I am probably wrong though.
I do think that meta knowledge is interfering, or influencing, events here. Your knowlwdge that Akirra is a PC and that he has been mind wiped is possibly altering how you would be treating his discovery otherwise. For instance, you are currently trapped on this level. Perhaps the sleeping guy, who may have volunteered for stasis, may know how to deactivate the force wall. ;)
(I don't) lol
EDIT: ninj'd by the ladies (and again by Mark)