Qhude can go with the updated Savage Grapple ability then, thanks.
Ansha- you ninjaed my post so I edited mine to include a response. I made a sense motive roll off-board as I like to do with social checks sometimes.
If I may say so, I find this game great great fun. The interactions and the scenes involving the various characters are so much fun and so interesting to read -and participate, of course.
And I find that because this is a homebrew sort of campaign instead of an AP with more or less predetermined paths and endings, the fact that basically anything goes and anything can happen and I have no way of knowing about it, well... it makes for a great gaming experience.
And of course the characters! Each and every one of them is played oh so well.
And there has not even been any actual adventure in the traditional sense yet and it is only the beginning. Wonderful! :-D
In case my point has not come across, I am rather enthusiastic about the whole thing. ;-)
If I may say so, I find this game great great fun. The interactions and the scenes involving the various characters are so much fun and so interesting to read -and participate, of course.
And I find that because this is a homebrew sort of campaign instead of an AP with more or less predetermined paths and endings, the fact that basically anything goes and anything can happen and I have no way of knowing about it, well... it makes for a great gaming experience.
And of course the characters! Each and every one of them is played oh so well.
And there has not even been any actual adventure in the traditional sense yet and it is only the beginning. Wonderful! :-D
In case my point has not come across, I am rather enthusiastic about the whole thing. ;-)
I second every point here! This is a great game and everyone is adding awesome to the mix.
This is a very RP heavy game so far, which has been refreshing for me anyway. Expect some very intense combats as well though. You'll also be level two before too long, thanks partially to Jakob's efforts. I'm giving it a few more posts in the ball before I start to tie you together.
Ironically, even when someone else rolls a 1, it turns out badly for Kieran. ;)
...thanks partially to Jakob's efforts...
Whom the gods would destroy they first make smug, or something.
Ironically, even when someone else rolls a 1, it turns out badly for Kieran. ;)
Poor Kieran. At least so far, other people's 1s haven't resulted in Kieran being unconscious, though!
I'd also like to echo how enjoyable it's been so far. The character Ansha definitely shines more in social settings than in combat (though she has her uses there, too), so I am personally enjoying the gala a great deal--the various party member's reactions to the social setting has also been great fun to watch, as well. I was cheering N'bellocq on with the colonial debutante.
With that husky voice, I am not sure 'Lola' might give up that easily
You'll also be level two before too long, thanks partially to Jakob's efforts.
Hardly seems fair for us all to get XPs for an escapade we all did our best to talk Jakob out of in the first place. :)
You'll also be level two before too long, thanks partially to Jakob's efforts.Hardly seems fair for us all to get XPs for an escapade we all did our best to talk Jakob out of in the first place. :)
Well without the hard opposition Jakob may not have screwed his courage to the drowning place so to speak, and besides you all carried Jakob in the trials so share and share alike I say.
The irony is that I am fairly certain that if we had tried to turn around the ship, we wouldn't have done nearly as well. They notice the ship, they sink the ship. They don't notice one (or maybe two) people swimming in the open sea and sneaking onto their ship, and you end up with what happened (though I'd say there was some phenomenal luck there too xD).
Leaving the purse and cane in the stash Jakob tucks the letter into his boot.
A weapon proficiency feat would be non-optimal, but with a cleric in the group, what about dipping a level into a martial class? I'm just sayin'. ;)
...dammit, my ocd tendencies have asserted themselves. Okay, Ranger would add the following class skills: Handle Animal, Intimidate, Knowledge (Dungeoneering), Knowledge (Geography), Perception and Stealth. The +2 skill ranks for that level would be offset by the non-favored class; while the Favored Enemy, Track, and Wild Empathy class features would be balanced against the lack of progress toward another revelation and 2nd-level spells. However, sword cane! And composite bows! Also, the Trapper archetype from UM would pick up Kieran's slack -- no offense if you're cheating and reading this -- adding the Trapfinding class feature (and of course Disable Device to class skills), for the sacrifice of spells that I doubt you'd progress far enough in Ranger to miss.
In case my point has not come across, I am rather enthusiastic about the whole thing. ;-)
Was just thinking much the same myself these past couple of days :)
I blame Jakob and his refusal to remain dead or enslaved like he ought to be. :)
I blame Jakob and his refusal to remain dead or enslaved like he ought to be. :)
Me too! ;P Not that Ansha's plans with the Grand Custodian were likely to work out very well anyway. But now she'll never know why Utilinus isn't married!
I blame Jakob and his refusal to remain dead or enslaved like he ought to be. :)
Or at the very least mildly inconvenienced by his attempt to swim to a pirate galley, rescue the prisoners, take control of the ship and steer it back into harbor.
...alright, alright, successful attempt... :-P
I blame Jakob and his refusal to remain dead or enslaved like he ought to be. :)Or at the very least mildly inconvenienced by his attempt to swim to a pirate galley, rescue the prisoners, take control of the ship and steer it back into harbor.
...alright, alright, successful attempt... :-P
Too right! Jakob had the devils own luck out there, along with rather a bit of assistance from AK.
Only for description. The crews perception rolls were absolutely diabolical, as was a d100 roll i'd made to determine the conclusion the crew came to when they found the hatch locked...
Not that Ansha's plans with the Grand Custodian were likely to work out very well anyway. But now she'll never know why Utilinus isn't married!
She angling for the position of Grand Custodianness? ;)
Not that Ansha's plans with the Grand Custodian were likely to work out very well anyway. But now she'll never know why Utilinus isn't married!She angling for the position of Grand Custodianness? ;)
I'm not entirely sure that she knows what she's angling for--but a ruling monarch does seem to be a good friend or lover to have for someone with enemies like hers. But she's also a Calistrian with familial links to Our Lady in Shadow, and thus a consummate hedonist. She'll get bored eventually, and move on. ;)
I'm not entirely sure that she knows what she's angling for--but a ruling monarch does seem to be a good friend or lover to have for someone with enemies like hers. But she's also a Calistrian with familial links to Our Lady in Shadow, and thus a consummate hedonist. She'll get bored eventually, and move on. ;)Not that Ansha's plans with the Grand Custodian were likely to work out very well anyway. But now she'll never know why Utilinus isn't married!She angling for the position of Grand Custodianness? ;)
Eh, she's an elf; he's an already-middle-aged human. She could probably wait it out with some discreet lovers on the side. ;)
Eh, she's an elf; he's an already-middle-aged human. She could probably wait it out with some discreet lovers on the side. ;)
GET OUT OF HER HEAD! D:
Only for description. The crews perception rolls were absolutely diabolical, as was a d100 roll i'd made to determine the conclusion the crew came to when they found the hatch locked...
I was thinking more of things like finding the dead pirate, the joly boat being there, having only two crew above deck, and having all the captives in one place and not bound. Taken together that luck made it all work. The lucky die rolls just kept Jakob alive. Not that I'm complaining mind you.
The reunion's going to be interesting. "Oh, hi, Jakob. Yes, we were totally worried about you and upset over your likely fate and had not at all completely written you off to enjoy the party and try to get lucky."
The reunion's going to be interesting. "Oh, hi, Jakob. Yes, we were totally worried about you and upset over your likely fate and had not at all completely written you off to enjoy the party and try to get lucky."
Hey we just have different interests. You get it on with the high and mighty and I get close to a half dozen mainly nude folks on a boat.
It takes all kinds. ;7)
The reunion's going to be interesting.
Heh - I second that, bring it on!
Sorry gang, busy day and very little sleep last night.
The dead pirate in the water was more there to show off the marksman with Far Shot again (and a 120 foot weapon), as he was the only one who could realistically hit at that range- and the mercenaries would be firing back if they could.
I figure most pirate ships have a jolly boat- as they often can't make port or are not welcome in it.
Two crew seemed reasonable- though perhaps a litle arrogant of them...
No worries, AK. We'll try to survive without our daily fix. :P
It was an apology for delay- i'm mid reply right now :).
It was an apology for delay- i'm mid reply right now :).
Well, hey! Even better. More distractions to keep me from this paper I'm supposed to be writing within the next...8ish hours.
Everything made sense the body the boat and the crew it all worked it just felt like there was this corridor I was walking through. So long as I kept moving I was safe.
For example I had NO intention of capturing the boat. It is just that any other choice lead to death, capture, and crying puppies. I felt like Danton trying to stay ahead of the revolution if you know what I mean.
For example I had NO intention of capturing the boat. It is just that any other choice lead to death, capture, and crying puppies. I felt like Danton trying to stay ahead of the revolution if you know what I mean.
I figured you'd have one of the more dubious members of team bounty hunter sabotage the catapults and make off in the night in the jolly boat. Was not expecting you to make off with the galley!
Everything made sense the body the boat and the crew it all worked it just felt like there was this corridor I was walking through. So long as I kept moving I was safe.
For example I had NO intention of capturing the boat. It is just that any other choice lead to death, capture, and crying puppies. I felt like Danton trying to stay ahead of the revolution if you know what I mean.
It was obviously the divine powers behind your oracle-hood protecting you; they have plans for your future that not even your own stupidi-, er, valor can thwart. ;)
Start thinking about level 2 if you haven't already people...
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I figured you'd have one of the more dubious members of team bounty hunter sabotage the catapults and make off in the night in the jolly boat. Was not expecting you to make off with the galley!
I thought about that but I would have needed to disable the crossbows as well or we would have been shot out of the water. To do all that I would need free access to the main deck and once I had the freedom of the deck I had the ship so......
Feeling a little worried about both the talk of writing Jakob out and about the 'man of the hour' bit. I would like to keep Jakob in the game as I have never played an oracle and would like to see how things work out. However if the group thinks there is too much baggage now then He can walk away and, if allowed, I could try again with a different character.
Re stuff from the ship. The only thing Jakob took from the ship was the coded message.
Feeling a little worried about both the talk of writing Jakob out and about the 'man of the hour' bit. I would like to keep Jakob in the game as I have never played an oracle and would like to see how things work out. However if the group thinks there is too much baggage now then He can walk away and, if allowed, I could try again with a different character.
My impression is that Jakob's unexpected survival has favorably impressed only N'bellocq and Kieran. Qhude still thinks he's too soft-hearted and -headed; Ansha is miffed that her thunder has been stolen (although once she's calmed down, she might think that the title and renown make Jakob worth making a play for); and Tebati considers Jakob a marked man. (I was trying to figure out how she would interpret Jakob's unlikely success and thought she'd probably consider him as marked by Shimye-Magalla for a special purpose, either for good or ill -- then realized that, as a nature oracle, that's exactly what he is!)
IC, I'm afraid nothing has changed other than to provide cause for more antagonism within the group; OOC, there's nothing especially wrong with that, as long as it doesn't impede our working toward the ultimate goal, whatever that turns out to be. Jakob's just the only idealist in a group of cynics and neutral alignments. :)
As far as Ansha's reaction goes, despite my offhanded OOC comment in the IC thread, she isn't likely going to hold a grudge over this. Not a serious one, anyway. I think I agree with Joana, and would go so far as to say that while Jakob's spoiler-tagged adventure seemed to ease or erase the party tension, it really only delayed it until Jakob rejoined the group--and then exacerbated it with the manner in which he returned.
Oh, and you may need a new alias, Jakob: "Lord Jakob Mulle." ;P
Start thinking about level 2 if you haven't already people...
How do you handle languages gained through putting a rank in Linguistics? I've seen some DMs who require you to find someone to teach you first. Other DMs I've seen mostly hand-wave it, leaving you free to RP the acquisition as a result of self-teaching, finding someone to teach you, or learning via immersion.
Qhude does think Jakob is soft headed and kind hearted, but the present feeling is much more of betrayal.
Jakob pulled Qhude free of a self-destructive spiral of flayleaf and pit fights in Kalabuto, which no doubt would have eventually led to an early grave. He then gave him an offer to join the trials and make something of his life. This led Qhude to raise Jakob to a position in his mind not unlike a chief or father figure.
When it came to the final trial - Jakob's actions cast aside any of that built trust and bond and rammed home one thing in particular. Jakob cared more for a stranger than he did for Qhude or any of the other trial members. This was compounded by the futility of the gesture (success notwithstanding) and the fact that the people he was swimming off to save had attempted to both poison and kill N'Bellocq and Kieran not three hours prior.
For a tribal warrior of the Bas'o there is no room for ubuntu (compassion) for your foes, and issues are very much taken at face value. Jakob has in essence shown that he considers Qhude's opinion worthless and has changed sides to fight for the enemy in the midst of battle. It's a long way back from there to trust and friendship.
That said, OOC I don't have any issues with Jakob remaining - as long as he understands exactly what he's done and what he needs to do to claw back any degree of trust that Qhude had with him.
Intimidating Glare and Savage Grapple here we come!
Do we roll HP or can we take average?
I knew he'd said it somewhere before, so I had to go look.
Max HP at first level, PFS style average every level beyond.
D6- 4
D8- 5
D10- 6
D12- 7
That's on page 2 of the OOC Discussion thread.
Also, I may or may not have already gotten a tentative plan of levels out to level 9-10 worked out...
Also also, I think you mentioned previously that Pathfinder Player Companion books were acceptable sources, AK. Does that include traits or spells in books like Faiths of Balance? And if a feat or trait first showed up in a PPC book but later was bundled into the content found in UM or UC, is it still acceptable since it first showed in a PPC?
Calling them PPCs amuses me--sadly, I can't have a particle-projector cannon on Golarion. Unlessss...! We should go to Numeria and steal Battletech-era technology from the ruins!
Second level of cleric is so boring. Everyone else gets fun things, and the cleric gets ... 1 extra 1st-level spell. Yippee. I so miss Beta clerics. :(
Don't forget your 2+Int skill points! :P
Don't forget your 2+Int skill points! :P
*sigh* I wish they'd at least staggered the channeling dice so that clerics got either an extra channel die or a new level of spells at each level. Of all the class progression tables, cleric is by far the emptiest.
Kieran will be going fighter for 2nd level. Fighter bonus feat will be Weapon Focus (Aldori dueling sword), while skill ranks will be divided among Acrobatics, Climb, Disable Device, Perception and Stealth.
As far as Jakob is concerned, Kieran is rather impressed by the man's accomplishment, and perhaps just a little envious as well. He is also glad that the captives were rescued, as he did not particularly like leaving them in their fate, a fate that most probably would involve slavery of some sort. Nevertheless, he still stands by his decision to steer the boat into the harbor instead of towards the pirate galley, in effect choosing his companions instead of strangers or enemies.
Besides, Jakob's return and entrance deflected, at least for now, Tebati's ire due to the dance debacle, as for now she has found a new target. If only for that, perhaps Kieran should indeed thank him. ;-)
And on that last note: *Channeling Captain Kirk* DIIIIIIIIIIICE!!!!!!
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Strangely it worked when I posted it. OddI figured you'd have one of the more dubious members of team bounty hunter sabotage the catapults and make off in the night in the jolly boat. Was not expecting you to make off with the galley!Feeling a little worried about both the talk of writing Jakob out and about the 'man of the hour' bit. I would like to keep Jakob in the game as I have never played an oracle and would like to see how things work out. However if the group thinks there is too much baggage now then He can walk away and, if allowed, I could try again with a different character.
As far as I can tell, Jakob's position might have improved with the group... slightly overall.
I have no intention of writing him out unless it becomes necessary. As long as the players are happy to role-play their tensions out (which they appear to be) and we can all happily seperate IC from OOC tensions there should be no reason to have to do so.
One small thing that I feel is worth noting however, is that Jakob is a character of high charisma. I'm not really up for the can of worms that is party members using diplomacy on each other, but it should be more difficult to hold a grudge against him than a cha 10 person.
As far as levelling, gaining our languages is fine- you'll be in intense, government sponsored training for two weeks after the party so you can pick up the language then...
Edit: Assume any PF source other than UM or UC is ok. If theres some special case where a Pathfinder Companion book has material that as changed slightly and put into UC and UM i'll review it on a case-by-case basis. My essential feeling on those two books is that when the (amazing) APG came out, it maxed me out on crunch. UM and UC have too much power creep, which is inevitable really, not a result of bad books in themselves.
One small thing that I feel is worth noting however, is that Jakob is a character of high charisma. I'm not really up for the can of worms that is party members using diplomacy on each other, but it should be more difficult to hold a grudge against him than a cha 10 person.
DM AK - I can appreciate your point on this one, but to me it's up to Jakob making an appropriate IC pitch that allays the concerns that our individual characters have.
Lets leave the crunch side out of it and let Jakob sink or swim on his own makings.
Agreed.
Lets leave the crunch side out of it and let Jakob sink or swim on his own makings.
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Agreed, PC's are immune to diplomacy in any case. That said I am pants at playing high CHA characters. Comes from having the personality of a pressed paper takeaway container I suppose. Still onward and Exelcisor!