Come To Footfall IC

Game Master Radavel

Here we discuss everything ;-)

Nimina, reporting for duty, I will serve you however you desire (hell, I'll try anything once), though my primary skills are killing folk.

Though I grew up around animals on a forgotten ball of dirt, so I can handle beasts and live of the land if required. I can also circumvent some simple security devices - though I'm not a thief.

Pick me! pick me!

I suggest that Gaius takes the 2 orks + his choice of the void master, explorator, void master or seneschal. Artorius will take the rest.

What dam I hearin? A hummie lifs thou various ork-smashs an as still both is balls? C'm on boy, must see that hummie from close. Could be da one Ive looking far. Must be tugh as ork!
Works for me. Every hardline inquisitor will commit immediate suicide or mass murder on innocents after first contact with us^^

We be da bestest boyz for da job!

Oh, hello, young ones!

Khalid has no strong preferences which Rogue Trader he'd like to work with, but I'm wanting to work together with them for the dynasty.

Sorry, been in classes and work all day. Still have a few hours to go. Will get alias put up then.

If we have two ships then Gaius will take the two orks, he values their abilities and enthusiasm. My next choice is Tyboris the Explorator, that'll even things out nicely.

How are we doing ships/profit factor?

Edit: Misread something, retyped.

Apparently My sheet wasn't working.
try this

Wraxus is up for serving on either of the crews, just let me know where to go!

How are we building our vessels?

Profile Up, need to do gear but I'll wait on pre-game acquisition rolls before I mess with that.

Artorius: Now that Emilio is complete, do you want the fifth crew member or would you like me to get them?

Query: Is Battlefleet Koronus a valid sourcebook when we build our ships? Cause I made the mistake of reading it and I'm kinda drooling.

Rogue Traders use the rules in Into the Storm to plot your Dynasty's fortunes. With that you will get your starting PF and SP.

After that you can get ships from Core, Into the Storm and Battlefleet Koronus.

Don't know where my post went, but I'm up for working with the orks. Might be into some heretek stuff and offers room for genator research. My hulking size and strength should put me on par with them, could be interesting.

We ship building together or up to RT?

I recommend ship building be a group project but I want the RTs to make the final submission just so there's clear responsibility on the matter.

We boyz haz gud ides for da ship!

While I'd normally have a group co-operate for ships/Dynasty, given the limitations on PBF it may be quicker if the RT's sort it and then ask for input?

It's up to you to decide, but It may be worth the extra character going to Gaius' team? Give him a bit more trusted crew for the situations where he can't have his Ork retinue around?

Ah, da need da big claw at da top of da ship and also da enforced front an da strong buusta for da good rammin' of da enemies, boss!
An also da farm for growing da grox and sqigs!
An always think in da way of da Orks: Da bigga an louda de better!

And agreeing with Nimina on both topics.

yup. RT design. We give input. But with my limited knowledge of the game. Not much i would be able to say :P

Yes! We boyz make ship tuffest and biggest dere is.

Can't give input until we know who goes where and maybe a little about our campaign.

Hello once more.

I was preparing a set of ships for another game, and I had some recommendations. Below, behold three different options, and a small reasoning behind them,

I'd recommend for either the cheap or the moderate one. The cheap one is a fairly finnicky ship, but has loads of aces in his sleeves and lots of cash in its pockets.

The moderate one, is a ship nobody can possibly complain about being the captain of, since it's fast, reliable, has firepower, etc. We can't do lots of direct trading with this one, but that's to be expected.

Regarding role, Khadir will be as non-combat focused as possible. His fighting days were over before any of you were born! That does mean he'll have lots of ways to contribute in other ways, however, mainly knowledges, security, scrutiny/awareness, etc.

Bring da dakka. Even more dakka! An Zoggit wil bring da killi and da choppa!

no idea what any of that means atm, but will go with what you say about the moderate ship =^^=. Just dont ask the ork what he thinks ;)

Are people wanting the ships to be generalists or specialists? If specialists what areas should they focus on?

A merchant and an escort, whether a raider or a light cruiser is one good option, which provides flexibility. Rogue Traders are quite flexible, as you might imagine. Maybe a pioneered deal of a Rogue Traders working together for the benefits of both houses? The poorer one with the heavy ship providing support to the other one, for a return of thrones?

Another one might be two raiders, which is a great deal for exploration, since both are fast and quick, and together they can overcome anything short of a grand cruiser or a battlecruiser. Which they can outrun.

If piracy is more up the alley, a cruiser/raider combo allows for absolute shenanigans, and flexible firepower. Don't expect to be able to buy much, however.

If you want to do something different, we can always grab two traders and literally try and buy the Koronus Expanse.

Legoguy here. Done alias.

I lika da idea of da granni with da diffrnt ships workn togetha. Yu can do a lot fings with da krootza an da lootzer. One smashs da things an da other takes da lootz away or one brings things from da place to da other while da other ship watches that o one lootz our bizzs.
An if ya wanna take da own planets ya need da bring lots o' boys an tanks to da planet - can't do that with da krooza!

So everyone knows, me and Artorius are individually plugging away at the ships. Once I've got mine about 90% done I'll put it up for my crew to see and for final suggestions/alterations and approval. I'm eyeing a Light Cruiser but might scale down or up.

Right now I am looking at a Falchion Torpedo Frigate, it comes with a small torpedo system built into the ship and 2 dorsal weapons.

Machine Spirit Oddities 1d10 ⇒ 1
Past Histories 1d10 ⇒ 3

Unfortunately I couldn't get the Falchion to work, there was so little space that after all the mandatory stuff and guns I had no space left to add anything.

So I am currently looking at a Turbulent-class heavy frigate

So after all that I have 6 power 8 space and 6 ship points left. I am thinking that the ship should have the following supplemental components that would leave 2 spare power. The effects of these have not been added to the main ship stats yet.

Flak Turrets while active +1 turret -10 detection
Barracks +100 to military missions +20 to hit and run when filled
Cargo hold and lighter bay +50 to trade or criminal missions -3 maneuver
armour plating +1 armour -2 maneuver

Initial SP 64, PF 24

Machine Spirit Oddities: 1d10 ⇒ 2Blasphemous Tendencies

Past Histories: 1d10 ⇒ 10Xenophilious

What is with those rolls? Blaphemy and Xeno loving, we're in for an interesting ride :)

** spoiler omitted **

Initial SP 64, PF 24

[dice=Machine Spirit Oddities]1d10Blasphemous Tendencies

[dice=Past Histories]1d10Xenophilious

What is with those rolls? Blaphemy and Xeno loving, we're in for an interesting ride :)

I LOVE IT! There comes my Ork-Tech on board a Imperial ship! *grinns*

Just an idea for even more lolz and angry tech-priests xD

[EDIT:]Ok the above is a bit off I think - was simply too excited and picked the weirdest thing possible xD - but how about the ork-tech void shield generator. Really flavorful, hard if not impossible to remove and good for a lot of quick heartbeats in combat:
If the void shield would fail, roll 1d10:
..1: Void Shield Generator is damaged.
..2-7: Normal void shield behavior
..8-10: Void Shield remains active!

The Indomitable Will

SP Used: 58

SP Used: 62

OK, tear loose guys. We have 2 SP left and no Cargo Hold, yet. Lots of stuff I want but not many SP to go around. Have 10 Power and 10 Space Remaining. Could drop the Warpsbane Hull but that feels like tempting fate, Required to take xenostech and they aren't any cheaper. Weapons are fairly minimal. Could Drop down to a frigate or just play the long game and pickup components later. Thoughts?

Long run sounds good for me. Cargo hold sounds to important to leave out ... but we should definitely take that compartmentalized one, to prevent the mali. That would be -1sp, -5space, -2 power.
For the last sp, why not go with that gravity sails ... even more speed and maneuverability sound funny, doesn't it? Takes the light cruiser on the same speed+man. as a frigate. Taking the cheapest Xeno-thing doesn't sound right if it is essential part of the ship, does it? Also the xeno parts presented in the first rule book are a bit disappointing, also it is a 10 which should be a good roll, so why not just 'it is part of the ship' instead of 'you MUST BUY one' ...
Wished the other sourcebooks would have included more ... maybe even some ork-tech? =D

[EDIT:] Why not switch out the prow lance with Mars-pattern Torpedo tubes? Lots of awesome possibilities (including boarding) and possible heavy damage.
Profile (BK-Rulebook): Mars-pattern Torpedo Tubes Light Cruisers, Cruisers 2 8 2 6 are also 2sp as the lances

Yeah, the sails were a matter of some internal debate. The issue with the Xenostech is that it is a guaranteed SP drain, I was trying to save some SP for other components as just getting a Light Cruiser hurts bad. I thought about the torpedo tubes but the Lance caught my eye because we won't need to do Acquisition rolls just to rearm and after the Macrobatteries unleash and rip up some void shields we can carve the enemy up like a turkey. I also thought about a bombardment cannon because I find it amusing, but I'm twisted like that.

Now, that being said, I'm also looking at the Meritech Shrike-class Raider. It's on the heavy end of Raiders and kinda terrifying if kitted out properly. It would save a lot of SP, the free xenostech could be a shard cannon and then slap a lance on for above tactic (or grab a ghost field and be nigh untouchable). Has more space than most ships of its size and gives a +5 on BS tests to fire its weapons. Also its about as fast as it gets with sails and is super maneuverable. Downside is space will be tight.

I would stay with the large beast ... It is easier to outfit the big one bit after bit with anything we need, than to acquire a whole new ship if the little one gets to crammed, isn't it?

If you have the time ... build it and show it to us. Ghost field is a bit problematic due to the no-void-shield thingy but it sure sounds awesome.

I would stay with the large beast ... It is easier to outfit the big one bit after bit with anything we need, than to acquire a whole new ship if the little one gets to crammed, isn't it?

If you have the time ... build it and show it to us. Ghost field is a bit problematic due to the no-void-shield thingy but it sure sounds awesome.

See, there in lay the rub. Smaller ship means more PF which means it's easier to get stuff. Getting a shell of a wrecked up cruiser and outfitting properly might actually be easier to do later than limp along initially. Also, it might be better to get a kitted out small ship than an under strength large one because it MAY be easier/faster to make money in the little ship.

I'll see about writing up the Raider later, hopefully tonight, I have classes and work today and might end up getting called in to pull the latter half of a twelve hour overnight later.

So I guess no one has any issues with my ship plan?

So I guess no one has any issues with my ship plan?

Might go with the Miloslav warp engine, after you brought it up I looked at it heavily and there's more in the pro than con column.

will review all ship proposals 24 hours from now.

@Gaius/Almagafor, I would say go with the frigate, if the light cruiser is stripped bare, is it really worth the increased cost? Could we not accomplish more by having a smaller vessel (we have 2 after all) that is both better equipped and leaves us with more resources available?

@Artorius/Browman, looks solid to me, but I will definitely say that I am unfamiliar with building vessels in Rogue Trader.

Browman wrote:

So I guess no one has any issues with my ship plan?

Might go with the Miloslav warp engine, after you brought it up I looked at it heavily and there's more in the pro than con column.

I can easily do that, it would leave me with 4 spare power instead. Which would allow for augmented retrothrusters to be added later.

Personally I think we can run with one ship that still needs significant upgrades. It also gives us a immediate set of goals and kind of fits in nicely with a story of a rogue trader house that is growing.

And also gives the opportunity to fetch upgrades which fits into the campaign - something you cannot know beforehand.
And it is not as if the cruiser is naked. The really important things are already there.

Actually two compartmentalized cargo holds would use both your SP and all your remaining space, and leave you with 6 power. 6 power that can be used to get better auger arrays and augmented retro thrusters down the line.

The Meritech raider is an excellent ship, I agree. Do remember you can always buy more ships later. It takes an excellent roll and we might have to burn some PF, but if we have it, it's a good option.

A raider and a frigate are terrifying for anything we might encounter, especially if we get the Void-Master goes for Master of Gunnery, and combine that with the RT nagging him constantly. The RT in my RL game shouts to people, "I ORDER you to succeed!", as he gives the bonus.

Yeah, I'd like to end up with a flotilla of 5-9 ships eventually. Including, but not limited to: a battle cruiser, light cruiser/workhorse, escort carrier, a few frigates/raiders, and 1 giant transport/mobile station.

The light cruiser as presented isn't dressed to the nines but has all the basics and a couple of toys. The raider I'm thinking of will be terrifying for its size, but very much a glass cannon. The question is how do you want to initially grow, upgrades to existing ship or new ships to fleet?

On the note of command, Gaius already has a base 61 on command tests without modifiers and I've not advanced Fellowship at all, after just a few XP I'll be easily pulling most command rolls.

Also, pre game we will all have some opportunity for Acquisition, these don't have to be personal items but can be ship based. Remember that we represent a whole organization and have a lot more power than Dark Heresy characters of the same XP value, we may also have more indirect power than Deathwatch characters (Black Ceusade can be a toss up, some of those guys have huge networks of allies and minions)

Question for GM: I'm away from books at the moment so can't recall the name of it, but are we using the rank structure thing from Into the Storm?

I am planning on getting a small group of good quality combat servitors as my acquisition.

I can see the appeal of starting with the smaller fully upgraded ship and working to get a complete new one, but that is one hell of a starting goal and a really difficult roll. Even a naked light cruiser is already a roll against 55 without any big boni to get and you have to find one first! New components are fairly easy to acquire, compared to that.
I have not played RT before so ... What would be the starting profit factor in both cases? Otherwise I'm just rambling around here, without real knowledge or fact-based arguments.

With slight reskin for background's sake.

The Indomitable Will: Heavy Raider Edition

SP Used: 43

SP Used: 45

SP Used: 51

So, we have a raider with high maneuverability and good armament. Designed to do hit and run attacks at a +45 and pick a result from 1-6, including teleportarium.

PF on this ends up at 37 without any other mods or characters affecting it (I add +1 to starting PF, think someone else subtracts). Still some power left over and we can invest some more SP to free up space by getting better crafted components.

PF on light cruiser ends up at 24-26. Plenty of power and space left over though.

I don't really know, really. Two excellent alternatives you built there Gaius.

+Cruiser: "bigga is betta, ya fool! 'vry boy knovs that!" - SkruwDriva
+Cruiser: We're low on PF in both cases I think, and getting from PF37 to a PF were we are able to buy us a new ship will take a looong time.

+Raider: The +45 hit&run and especially a teleportarium (!) sounds REALLY nice to have ...
+Raider: It a very good ship to have in the fleet, so I am good with taking it as a starter or maybe as a later addition so make sure to store that profile.

Whats with the others?

For some ideas what rogue trader's can achieve/be (and lots of lolz)

He dere boys, teres a boy I know far da long time an he'es lookn far da good job with da lot of smashn an loozing. Hes late as always but hes da good boy - my word as a weirdboy on that! Good far ja boys if he joins da grew late?

Wrote already with GM, he says he's ok with another player if you guys are ok with a latecomer. Good RL-friend of mine, which I told about this game and he got excited and wanted to join. He's looking into a Explorator right now, so that we also have a "proper" tech-guy on board.