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Large and tiny creatures wielding whips - what's their range?
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In this thread the first post is marked as having been answered in the FAQ, but I can't find any info on whips in the FAQ. Rather than continuing to necro that thread I figured a new one would be better. Given that enlarge and reduce person are first level spells, this is something that could come up fairly easily. Many points are raised in the other thread, but ultimately I didn't see a definitive answer, the closest thing being a JJ forum post. Is there a solid answer on this out these questions out there?

If I'm a medium character wielding a whip, and I cast enlarge person, what is my reach with the whip as a now large creature?

If I'm a small and wielding a whip, and I cast reduce person, what is my reach with the whip as a now tiny creature?

If as a DM I wanted to equip a cloud giant (huge creature) with a whip, what would its reach with the whip be?

Same as above, but with gargantuan, colossal, diminutive, and fine sized creatures?
How does the bat shape feat function?
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Bat shape:

Spoiler:
"Benefit: You can take the form of a bat whose appearance is static and cannot be changed each time you assume this form. You gain a +10 racial bonus on Disguise checks to appear as a bat. Changing from werebat-kin to bat shape is a standard action. This ability otherwise functions as beast shape II, and your ability scores change accordingly."

Beast Shape 2:

Spoiler:
"This spell functions as beast shape I, except that it also allows you to assume the form of a Tiny or Large creature of the animal type. If the form you assume has any of the following abilities, you gain the listed ability: climb 60 feet, fly 60 feet (good maneuverability), swim 60 feet, darkvision 60 feet, low-light vision, scent, grab, pounce, and trip.

Tiny animal: If the form you take is that of a Tiny animal, you gain a +4 size bonus to your Dexterity, a -2 penalty to your Strength, and a +1 natural armor bonus.

Large animal: If the form you take is that of a Large animal, you gain a +4 size bonus to your Strength, a -2 penalty to your Dexterity, and a +4 natural armor bonus."

But bats are diminutive. Do you become a tiny bat? Do you become a diminutive bat, but use the tiny animal ability modifiers from beast shape 2? Does that feat contain a typo, and it should read beast shape 3? Something else? I lean towards you becoming diminutive and using tiny animal stats as making the most sense, due to bats being diminutive, and the 'otherwise functions as' wording granting you as much as is applicable from the list of climb, fly, and swim speeds, etc.

Edit: also, does using the feat count as using a skinwalker's change shape ability? If not, can you use the feat to turn into a bat, then use skinwalker's change shape ability to turn into some sort of super bat?