Birthright: Ruins of Empire (Inactive)

Game Master Elton

Orfamay Quest wrote:

@Elton

Birthright.net has relatively little information about the assets of Mieres beyond the army and the navy. It does not, for example, list any accumulated regency points, the current state of the treasury, or any physical assets such as castles, roads, trade routes, et cetera.

Shall I just make @#$% up?

There is a formula that allows you to compute RP acquisition and GB acquisition in the Birthright Rulebook. I'll compute it for you after I am done with my assessment. :)

We may be talking at cross purposes again. I'm not asking about how many new RP/GP I get per turn; I'm asking about how many gold bars I have in the castle treasury right now -- which could be none, or it could be a billion 'cause Vaunel has been squirreling it away for twenty years.

Also, I am not sure how much gold i should roll.

And I didnt see on the site where it says what other sorts of things i should have in my profile other than the base character. (like my gold trading bars and stuff).

For personal gold, the amount is 20 times 1st level starting gold. Roll in the recruitment thread. For domain gold, keep reading...

@Everyone
You should be able to calculate your domain's RP generation per season. If you don't know how, please ask. I honestly don't know how much GB generation we will use, whether we are using the Birthright.net rules or original rules. Elton needs to clarify.

When Elton reviews and approves your character, he will provide how much RP and GB that your domains have acumulated/banked, as well as assets: such as army, navy, fortifications, trade routes, roads, ley lines, etc.

Please use Moergan's avatar profile as a template if necessary, or at least ensure that your character has the same content.

@Elton
1. Would you please clarify your GB generation rules?Are using the Birthright.net rules, original rules, or another permutation?

2. Also, would you please post a summary of your approval of characters, so everyone knows where they stand and for whom we wait, so we can help?

cheers

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Also, I am not sure how much gold i should roll.

And I didnt see on the site where it says what other sorts of things i should have in my profile other than the base character. (like my gold trading bars and stuff).

For personal gold, the amount is 20 times 1st level starting gold. Roll in the recruitment thread. For domain gold, keep reading...

@Everyone
You should be able to calculate your domain's RP generation per season. If you don't know how, please ask. I honestly don't know how much GB generation we will use, whether we are using the Birthright.net rules or original rules. Elton needs to clarify.

When Elton reviews and approves your character, he will provide how much RP and GB that your domains have acumulated/banked, as well as assets: such as army, navy, fortifications, trade routes, roads, ley lines, etc.

Please use Moergan's avatar profile as a template if necessary, or at least ensure that your character has the same content.

@Elton
1. Would you please clarify your GB generation rules?Are using the Birthright.net rules, original rules, or another permutation?

2. Also, would you please post a summary of your approval of characters, so everyone knows where they stand and for whom we wait, so we can help?

cheers

QA1 -- Original Rules.

QA2 -- Moergan Neptuine, and Rogr Aglondier are so far approved.

Unapproved:
Tenro's Character (he's half way there)
Orafmay Quest
Gaius Anphelan Roesone (although he is largely there too)

Awesome :) I'll get a properly detailed profile up then.

Oh, and cash...

cash: 2d6 ⇒ (5, 3) = 8 * 200 = 1,600 gp

wealth: 4d6 ⇒ (2, 5, 6, 4) = 17 *10 = 170
170 * 200 = 34000

what kind of stuff should be coming out of this money? besides just personal gear?

[dice=wealth]4d6 *10 = 170

170 * 200 = 34000

what kind of stuff should be coming out of this money? besides just personal gear?

Er, 3,400..? You multiplied by 10, then 200 instead of 20 :)

oh woops. i copied the *200 you did, thinking that whatever class you picked just had 2d6gp. 3400 sounds much more realistic.

i was worried that we would have to equip our armies with 34000gp and i was worried i wasnt going to have enough, or it was just for our characters and we would be super over-geared hahaha

Lol

Hey GM, is it fair to say that Cerilia is a magic-rare setting? It says in the Player's Secrets book that Rogr is the only known wizard in Ilien... While magic is epic and in the very fabric of the land, it seems that spell casters are rare, and most of them are the NPC class-like magicians, as they are unblooded.

Personally, I really like the rare magic concept. For example, if my presumption is correct, the wand of magic missile that I'm considering starting off with would be a real treasure! Also, we wouldn't be able to rely on getting lots of magic treasure, although if we're delving into ancient places we may still get stuff...

Anyway, it's just something I noticed - if true, I don't think it will really affect play, except in a flavour sense. It's probably one of the coolest things about the BR setting - PCs are actually literally the coolest, most heroic and badass characters in the world. It's baked in.

I'm really looking forward to getting my head around the domain and regency rules - I think I'm going to run my own BR campaign once I'm comfortable with the system.

oh woops. i copied the *200 you did, thinking that whatever class you picked just had 2d6gp. 3400 sounds much more realistic.

i was worried that we would have to equip our armies with 34000gp and i was worried i wasnt going to have enough, or it was just for our characters and we would be super over-geared hahaha

34000 GP is 34 Gold Bars, dude.

Lol

Hey GM, is it fair to say that Cerilia is a magic-rare setting? It says in the Player's Secrets book that Rogr is the only known wizard in Ilien... While magic is epic and in the very fabric of the land, it seems that spell casters are rare, and most of them are the NPC class-like magicians, as they are unblooded.

Personally, I really like the rare magic concept. For example, if my presumption is correct, the wand of magic missile that I'm considering starting off with would be a real treasure! Also, we wouldn't be able to rely on getting lots of magic treasure, although if we're delving into ancient places we may still get stuff...

Anyway, it's just something I noticed - if true, I don't think it will really affect play, except in a flavour sense. It's probably one of the coolest things about the BR setting - PCs are actually literally the coolest, most heroic and badass characters in the world. It's baked in.

I'm really looking forward to getting my head around the domain and regency rules - I think I'm going to run my own BR campaign once I'm comfortable with the system.

It's very, very rare. Powerful magi and clerics exist (que the Magian, the Serpent, and the White Witch for example); but there is somewheres about 200 Cerilian mages (both Wizards and Sorcerers, including everyone else). Clerics are more plentiful. This is why I put the Sin Mages in Aduria, in the area of the old Anuirean Colonies.

Run Kingmaker, if you do. I'm only dunking you all in right now so I can run Kingmaker in the same world. Scions would be able to carve out a kingdom of their own -- hunt for sources, start temples, guilds, and trade routes and establish law holdings.

Yeah on the magic note it was saying that Roesone had to watch out for the mage of Illien since he wants our magic so hands off lol :)

Ha don't worry, it'll be just a trickle, you won't even notice :)

And Gaius, how long since you won the throne? Rogr has just stepped into his regency in Ilien, but my predecessor and yours were both mutually respected leaders. If you've been there a little while you would already have created some kind of state relationship with Ilien - the previous regent was an honourable woman, as I understand. What about you? What would Rogr know of you from his mentor?

Edit: You would know that Rogr's predecessor was an honourable and just man more interested in peace than conquest. Rogr is his chosen successor, so while you would hardly know him, he was obviously admired by the previous Count of Ilien.

5d6 ⇒ (2, 6, 5, 3, 4) = 20×10=200×20=4000. Did I do this right?

Also I would like a walk through on how to calculate the gp for season pweese :)

I'm currently rewriting my backstory to make it not so weak lol

I am thinking that he had come to power in the last few months now depending on if he had to kill the predecessor or not ( needing help ) he would most likely spend the remaining time consolidating power withen the realm and learning about his neighbors

Gm would he need to roll anything to hear gossip about Gaius? (Only reason I ask is cause of the political factors that this might affect)

Is that fair? Like a gossip roll?

@Gaius
Yes, your personal funds math (4,000) is correct.
As opposed to gossip or knowledge (nobility) rolls, you might want to craft your own propaganda. If Gaius came to power in the last few months, what would you want everyone to know about him? Put that in your background, the narrative that you want everyone to know. The story would be carried by merchants and other travelers.

@Squee & Elton
Aerenwe didn't make your unapproved list. Will we have another king?

cheers

Wow Moergan, was your character constructed using different rules than the rest of us, or have you played him since level 1? He's super powerful, not to mention wealthy... I guess Rogr could be your sidekick!

Wow Moergan, was your character constructed using different rules than the rest of us, or have you played him since level 1? He's super powerful, not to mention wealthy... I guess Rogr could be your sidekick!

I rolled like you. Here are my original rolls. Elton let me have a major bloodline for abandoning the Sielwode, in order to play a non-province domain nearer to the rest of the party. Here is my major bloodline roll for abilities.

cheers

littlehewy wrote:

Wow Moergan, was your character constructed using different rules than the rest of us, or have you played him since level 1? He's super powerful, not to mention wealthy... I guess Rogr could be your sidekick!

I rolled like you. Here are my original rolls. Elton let me have a major bloodline for abandoning the Sielwode, in order to play a non-province domain nearer to the rest of the party. Here is my major bloodline roll for abilities.

cheers

First link went to this page :) The original page mustn't exist anymore. But if you say you rolled them, I'm not going to contradict you - I wasn't really chasing proof, just asking the question.

I'll admit, I have a fair dislike for parties where the power level is so disparate (which becomes an extreme dislike when I'm among the weakest!), but I guess I either live with it or don't play - and I'd really love to play me some Birthright!

I'll still put my hand up to be your sidekick - we worship the same goddess, and I have a feeling Ilien will need powerful allies :)

First link went to this page :) The original page mustn't exist anymore. But if you say you rolled them, I'm not going to contradict you - I wasn't really chasing proof, just asking the question.

I'll admit, I have a fair dislike for parties where the power level is so disparate (which becomes an extreme dislike when I'm among the weakest!), but I guess I either live with it or don't play - and I'd really love to play me some Birthright!

I'll still put my hand up to be your sidekick - we worship the same goddess, and I have a feeling Ilien will need powerful allies :)

Try again with the first link. I was having problems with it. It took me several minutes to edit it correctly. The link works for me now.

Province rulers have a significant advantage over non-province rulers. When we start playing domain actions, I think we will find 'power' will be defined by the domains and not the characters.

cheers

Are we not going to be adventuring as a party? And if character power level is unimportant, why can't we all be the same power level?

Blech, I could whine about the huge potential negatives of having parties with large differences in power all day, or I could just drop it. As I feel fairly sure that I'll achieve nothing by further conversation, past experiences suggest dropping it.

So, my daughter is one of your clergy, huh? Alliene Talgentor of Nesirie is my daughter and lieutenant, so obviously of some rank in your church.

In which nation does Moergan reside? Given the connection of my daughter (a young woman, and of common background, at that), I'm sure he'd be welcome in Ilien at any time. I could see our PCs being fairly well-acquainted, and respecting of each other.

Are we not going to be adventuring as a party? And if character power level is unimportant, why can't we all be the same power level?

Treating this question as a serious one about the theory of gaming instead of just whining,... it's up to the GM whether we adventure as a party or not. Verisimilitude would suggest that we not game as a party (King Arthur's knights did most of the work for him; he sat in Camelot and presided over his table; also think about how much time Obama spends with the Pope vs. how much time he doesn't spend with the Pope), but it's often more fun to have party interaction.

Also, it's a real nuisance for the Game Master if we're JUST playing at the domain level and he has to play all the other realms as well. One of the things that is explicitly suggested is that he pick a center-of-action from turn to turn, and find a reason for us to be there (and then any NPC realms that aren't part of this month's episode don't do anything immediately interesting.) But it's still up to you whether you leave Castle Anthrax and ride with your armies to the aid of Roesone against the Spider, or whether you just send a note of moral support (or even just send a battalion of troops but not yourself personally).

As to whether we're all at the same power level,.... there's more support in the literature for rolling power than for buying it. There are rules for buying domains with points, but that would be much more complex and possibly overwhelm people.

FWIW, I prefer point buy, but I understand entirely Elton's desire a) to use the rules as written for simplicity, and b) to test out the conversion he designed and see whether it works or not. Remember that we're guinea pigs -- if this doesn't work, he'll clean it up in version two. For now, cliche as it sounds, I'm just happy to be here and hope I can help the team.

So I came up with an idea Thanks to Moergan for the initial thought

I'd like to submit it for gm approval

littlehewy wrote:

Are we not going to be adventuring as a party? And if character power level is unimportant, why can't we all be the same power level?

Treating this question as a serious one about the theory of gaming instead of just whining,... it's up to the GM whether we adventure as a party or not. Verisimilitude would suggest that we not game as a party (King Arthur's knights did most of the work for him; he sat in Camelot and presided over his table; also think about how much time Obama spends with the Pope vs. how much time he doesn't spend with the Pope), but it's often more fun to have party interaction.

Also, it's a real nuisance for the Game Master if we're JUST playing at the domain level and he has to play all the other realms as well. One of the things that is explicitly suggested is that he pick a center-of-action from turn to turn, and find a reason for us to be there (and then any NPC realms that aren't part of this month's episode don't do anything immediately interesting.) But it's still up to you whether you leave Castle Anthrax and ride with your armies to the aid of Roesone against the Spider, or whether you just send a note of moral support (or even just send a battalion of troops but not yourself personally).

It was a serious question - though possibly whining as well :) I really don't know what the Gm has in mind.

I think that BR will lend itself very well to PbP with regards to the issues you've mentioned - as you say, for a section of play one or more players may elect not to be present, in the interests of playing their PCs faithfully. So long as it doesn't stretch out for weeks, that wouldn't be a problem in this format. At the table, it would be far more tempting to metagame and just be there for the sake of not twiddling one's thumbs for an hour.

As to whether we're all at the same power level,.... there's more support in the literature for rolling power than for buying it. There are rules for buying domains with points, but that would be much more complex and possibly overwhelm people.

FWIW, I prefer point buy, but I understand entirely Elton's desire a) to use the rules as written for simplicity, and b) to test out the conversion he designed and see whether it works or not. Remember that we're guinea pigs -- if this doesn't work, he'll clean it up in version two. For now, cliche as it sounds, I'm just happy to be here and hope I can help the team.

Well, like I said, I'm not really interested in dragging on with this issue. I've stated my opinion, which I feel is appropriate, but continuing to belabour the point would not be. I'm far more interested in constructive discussion such as building connections between my character and the other PCs.

But I will say, I was entirely unaware that Elton had authored the conversion (which is fantastic), or that this was a playtest. Like I said, though, I'm super keen to play BR, as I owned it many years ago without ever getting to play it! And knowing that it's part of a playtest for the GM's work is even more exciting.

Edit: In addition, I know what it's like to playtest one's own material - you want to focus on the actual work that you've done, and having people harp on about issues unconnected to what's being actually tested is pretty frustrating.

Orfamay Quest wrote:

littlehewy wrote:

Are we not going to be adventuring as a party? And if character power level is unimportant, why can't we all be the same power level?

Treating this question as a serious one about the theory of gaming instead of just whining,... it's up to the GM whether we adventure as a party or not. Verisimilitude would suggest that we not game as a party (King Arthur's knights did most of the work for him; he sat in Camelot and presided over his table; also think about how much time Obama spends with the Pope vs. how much time he doesn't spend with the Pope), but it's often more fun to have party interaction.

Also, it's a real nuisance for the Game Master if we're JUST playing at the domain level and he has to play all the other realms as well. One of the things that is explicitly suggested is that he pick a center-of-action from turn to turn, and find a reason for us to be there (and then any NPC realms that aren't part of this month's episode don't do anything immediately interesting.) But it's still up to you whether you leave Castle Anthrax and ride with your armies to the aid of Roesone against the Spider, or whether you just send a note of moral support (or even just send a battalion of troops but not yourself personally).

It was a serious question - though possibly whining as well :) I really don't know what the Gm has in mind.

I think that BR will lend itself very well to PbP with regards to the issues you've mentioned - as you say, for a section of play one or more players may elect not to be present, in the interests of playing their PCs faithfully. So long as it doesn't stretch out for weeks, that wouldn't be a problem in this format. At the table, it would be far more tempting to metagame and just be there for the sake of not twiddling one's thumbs for an hour.

Agreed. My character has a certain advantage in that regard; there's an obscure rule in the BRCS that allows rangers and bards automatically to be at the center of action, just 'cause. Of course, this wouldn't help if my capital is under siege by the Detroit Lions and it wouldn't make sense for the regent to disappear for two weeks to go explore the Tomb of Whore-ers. (Fun as that might be.) But it does mean that I don't need an elaborate game-mechanical reason to be at the castle where the fun is happening, because my character evidently handles a lot of the realm-to-realm stuff personally, either at a distance or via personal visits to important people.

(Hmm. Maybe I should take the Home Hearkening blood ability instead...)

This is actually an important question and I invite input from other players as well on it. My realm is (by design) separated by water from the main action, which of course doesn't mean that Gaius can't invade across the Channel if he wants. (Yes, Gaius, I see what you did there....), but my regent can "accidentally" show up if needful to help out on a personal-scale adventure. So I'm happy to play Risk or The Bard's Tale; my preference would probably be about 40% Risk, enough to make it feel not like normal D&D, but still enough to make it feel like an RPG.

But what's everyone else's ideas? Was there anyone who wanted just to play Risk or Diplomacy?

DRAT foiled again lol

Alright so my idea is this

To give us an excuse for everyone to meet Gaius will send out an invitation to everyone in the southern domains to attend a ball so that he can meet other heads of states and such

Gm did you already have something in mind?

I only ask about this cause I think a head of state would do this since everyone is new to power and such

EDIT: Also my profile is now up and complete with up to date background

Jaris Reigon, my character submission, is complete (as far as i know)

What languages would make sense for a regent of Endier? I should have 2 bonus languages, just wondering what nations he would most likely interact with.

So, my daughter is one of your clergy, huh? Alliene Talgentor of Nesirie is my daughter and lieutenant, so obviously of some rank in your church.

In which nation does Moergan reside? Given the connection of my daughter (a young woman, and of common background, at that), I'm sure he'd be welcome in Ilien at any time. I could see our PCs being fairly well-acquainted, and respecting of each other.

The center of Eastern Temple of Nesirie is in Calrie, Aerenwe with a temple of 6, specifically the Ursaline Chapel which is technically a cathedral. ETN has two other cathedrals in Ilien and Mieres. Moergen travels around. He would probably be in Ilien 20% of the time.

Your daughter has some rank in ETN, but she is not an official lieutenant of Moergan's, yet. That needs a cohort or a Lieutenant domain action. Moergan has been high priest for three years, so they could be friends, acquaintances, or know of one another depending on Rogr's background.

I got lucky with many of my character creation rolls. That has not been the case in other games. I'm just looking forward to play.

cheers

and in response to Orfamay, i geared my character to be able to go either way. He has the social skills, but he can also handle a dagger (although not nearly as well as a dedicated combat rogue). Also he isnt a trapfinder/disabler so....

as being new to power, he would be more likely to "like" other regents new to power, although i made him pretty cunning.

Jaris Reigon, my character submission, is complete (as far as i know)

What languages would make sense for a regent of Endier? I should have 2 bonus languages, just wondering what nations he would most likely interact with.

Almost everyone in the area would speak Anuirian natively. As a trading nation, he would be likely to deal with Brechtur and with Khinasi, and he might also deal with some of the demihuman races.

@ Gaius: That's a pretty cool idea.

@ Orfamay: I'm really up for whatever. I guess I would expect to be doing a fair bit if domain level play, as that's what sets this game apart, but I also enjoy getting down and dirty. I guess PC level play would be in smaller chunks than the usual dungeon-length sections of play of a regular game - which can take months in PbP games. But I guess it will be dictated by the GM's story and the natural flow of the narrative as affected by our PCs' decisions.

@ Moergan: I'm thinking maybe somewhere between acquaintances and friends. I'm thinking my daughter is probably a generally orthodox member of the clergy, who reveres you as head if the church, but is also excited to serve someone else who is young and progressive. Though Rogr is going to be approaching 50, we have the same bloodline origin, a shared faith, and the same AL.

Hmmm maybe I should marry off my daughter to you :)

Jaris Reigon, my character submission, is complete (as far as i know)

What languages would make sense for a regent of Endier? I should have 2 bonus languages, just wondering what nations he would most likely interact with.

Tenro

I don't know how Elton rules, but in my games using poison (especially to kill) makes the character evil. Jaris's alignment is Lawful Neutral. His background states that he poisoned the heir to death. IMHO, those two things (alignment and poisoning) are mutually exclusive.

As for languages, Endier is in the south of Anuire. By sea, clockwise is Rjuvic, and counter-clockwise is Khinasi. Overland, way north-east is Brecht, but they are big traders. Endier neighbors a BBEG goblin province, so speaking goblin might be worthwhile.

cheers

@ Moergan: I'm thinking maybe somewhere between acquaintances and friends. I'm thinking my daughter is probably a generally orthodox member of the clergy, who reveres you as head if the church, but is also excited to serve someone else who is young and progressive. Though Rogr is going to be approaching 50, we have the same bloodline origin, a shared faith, and the same AL.

Hmmm maybe I should marry off my daughter to you :)

Sounds fine to me. Feel free to develop more details and PM me.

cheers

Tenro wrote:

Jaris Reigon, my character submission, is complete (as far as i know)

What languages would make sense for a regent of Endier? I should have 2 bonus languages, just wondering what nations he would most likely interact with.

I don't know how Elton rules, but in my games using poison (especially to kill) makes the character evil. Jaris's alignment is Lawful Neutral. His background states that he poisoned the heir to death. IMHO, those two things (alignment and poisoning) are mutually exclusive.

In many games, one evil act does not necessarily make someone evil. In many other games, poison is a crash-and-burn trip to Eviltown. In other games, poison is practically a condiment : "What do you take with your coffee? Cream? Sugar? Cyanide?"

Perhaps he was Lawful Good before he slipped the queen an arsenic omelette....

I assume that, as Moergan has a cathedral in Mieres, Lilibet has probably met him. (He may even have performed the investiture ceremony when she declared herself Baroness.) I rather doubt that she's met any of the other PC's unless they're in the habit of taking long sea voyages.

In many games, one evil act does not necessarily make someone evil. In many other games, poison is a crash-and-burn trip to Eviltown. In other games, poison is practically a condiment : "What do you take with your coffee? Cream? Sugar? Cyanide?"

Perhaps he was Lawful Good before he slipped the queen an arsenic omelette....

The early part of his background did not scream Lawful Good. And poisoning someone to death on purpose is premeditated murder. Just saying.

I assume that, as Moergan has a cathedral in Mieres, Lilibet has probably met him. (He may even have performed the investiture ceremony when she declared herself Baroness.) I rather doubt that she's met any of the other PC's unless they're in the habit of taking long sea voyages.

Chapel of Rain (cathedral) in Serien, Mieres

I made sure to select Investiture as a Realm spell for just such an occasion.

Ordinarily, it might be difficult to sail, but Moergan can teleport across the sea daily facilitating more frequent visits to Meires. I'm thinking Moergan spends 20% of his time there looking for places to expand.

Feel free to develop some ideas on their relationship and PM me.

cheers

As for languages, Endier is in the south of Anuire. By sea, clockwise is Rjuvic, and counter-clockwise is Khinasi. Overland, way north-east is Brecht, but they are big traders. Endier neighbors a BBEG goblin province, so speaking goblin might be worthwhile.

The Rjurik are indeed clockwise from Anuire, but they also tend to be fairly isolationist and self-sufficient (at least, in the classical rulebooks). They don't take much of a place on the international stage as long as you leave them alone, and they're not much into trade, or even raiding. You're much more likely to see a Brecht ship sailing into Endier than a Rjurik, in my opinion.

So would anyone have an objection to coming to the ball? Would kind of ley us rp a little and stuff

So would anyone have an objection to coming to the ball? Would kind of ley us rp a little and stuff

Not at all. It's a usual starting place (diplomatic event) that gives the GM a place where all PC's can be in the same place and the same time. The adventure in the back of Ruins of Empire is very similar.

cheers

@Gaius

Yes, your personal funds math (4,000) is correct.
As opposed to gossip or knowledge (nobility) rolls, you might want to craft your own propaganda. If Gaius came to power in the last few months, what would you want everyone to know about him? Put that in your background, the narrative that you want everyone to know. The story would be carried by merchants and other travelers.

@Squee & Elton
Aerenwe didn't make your unapproved list. Will we have another king?

cheers

Forgot about Squee, I had a nagging feeling that I did forget him. Squee is nominally approved, as long as he is ready to play tomorrow evening.

Gaius Anphelan Roesone wrote:

So would anyone have an objection to coming to the ball? Would kind of ley us rp a little and stuff

Not at all. It's a usual starting place (diplomatic event) that gives the GM a place where all PC's can be in the same place and the same time. The adventure in the back of Ruins of Empire is very similar.

cheers

It'll be a great entrée to all of our characters also, giving an immediate feel for them, and set the tone for their relationships too.

Jaris Reigon, my character submission, is complete (as far as i know)

What languages would make sense for a regent of Endier? I should have 2 bonus languages, just wondering what nations he would most likely interact with.

Tenro, he committed murder 2 times. Once against the regent of Endier and another time against his own brother. Two times he used the same method of causing expiration - poison. So, justify why he's lawful neutral or I'll have you change his alignment to Neutral Evil.

Yeah I had imagined him as neutral but willing to do evil. He doesnt seek opportunities to do evil, but he isnt opposed. pragmatic.

His brother was going to die anyway, he just took the opportunity. However, with the murder of the regent, he took a more active role in being evil to achieve his ends. Perhaps as a result of his drift towards evil.

Yeah I had imagined him as neutral but willing to do evil. He doesnt seek opportunities to do evil, but he isnt opposed. pragmatic.

If you want to avoid evil, then you could rewrite your background. Maybe your character led a coup against the previous evil Guilder Kalien, in order to balance the evilness of Endier with more goodness: Neutral. The obvious, overt evilness was bad for business.

Or go neutral evil, like the published leader of Endier.

cheers

Tenro wrote:

Yeah I had imagined him as neutral but willing to do evil. He doesnt seek opportunities to do evil, but he isnt opposed. pragmatic.

If you want to avoid evil, then you could rewrite your background. Maybe your character led a coup against the previous evil Guilder Kalien, in order to balance the evilness of Endier with more goodness: Neutral. The obvious, overt evilness was bad for business.

Or go neutral evil, like the published leader of Endier.

cheers

Yeah if NE is more what makes sense, NE it is.

I never actually liked alignment anyway, I prefer just playing according to character than alignment. I find that 9 categories isnt enough for me.

So would anyone have an objection to coming to the ball? Would kind of ley us rp a little and stuff

None here. I'll get my dressmakers to work.

Look at profile for rumors on insights on Gaius