i still need to make the master that will have Inubrix as a cohort. i have only a light framework done, but i believe he is to come out in the next game week so i will try to finish it this weekend IRL
I should probably finish my cohort and Illia-'s level 17. I've again got the frameworks, but ugh.. high level character details..
I should probably finish my cohort and Illia-'s level 17. I've again got the frameworks, but ugh.. high level character details..
I KNOW!
Why the heck didn't I play a Barbarian? One sword. One body. Nice, neat pile of numbers.
Nooooooo, I had to be the multi-lich dragon!
Sometimes when you win, you still lose.
ack, keep getting "We are sorry, but this site has exceeded its page view limit at this time. Please try again later." when i try to use PFSRD. Really hampering my productivity.
ack, keep getting "We are sorry, but this site has exceeded its page view limit at this time. Please try again later." when i try to use PFSRD. Really hampering my productivity.
Same. It's the site.
trying to sneak some work in on the new character while i can before my weekend is over, and I have come across a question that I haven't found a definitive answer to:
For reference:
- Energy Blade Destruction Talent (Spheres of Power)
- Vital Strike feat
- Standard Action
Energy Blade is a standard action, and you make a single weapon attack and your destructive blast damage is added to the weapon damage (a la 3.5 Hideous Blow). My question is, can that attack be a Vital Strike?
I know that the added damage from the destructive blast cannot be doubled as it is not weapon damage, but I want to know for sure if I can perform a vital strike for double the base weapon dice and then add the destruction dice on top of that.
I am leaning towards yes. The vital strike sidebar calls out charge and spring attack, both of which are full-round actions, and this is a standard action we are talking about.
No standard action attacks are compatible with vital strike. Pick up Improved Energy Blade to make it a swift action buff to your next attack.
no Vital Strike + Sunder?
Sunder is an attack, not a standard action. You can Charge Sunder or Full Attack Sunder.
You cannot Vital Strike Cleave, where Cleave is also a standard action.
Hey, Anaxian, I don't think we're allowed to use multiple metamagic gems on one spell. Do you have some ability that changes that?
Oh! Umm... does anyone else want to weigh in on anything happening at the moment?
Illia-'s in a huff and so doesn't plan on joining the infiltration mission while she takes her time relocating her harpies back to the jungle and releasing them from her service. Such as it was.
Oh for f*#k sake! Seriously?! I get that maybe this is just you playing the character, but do consider the ooc conversation as well.
Was the entire point of your harpies to just be murderhobos? Because if not, then nobody is telling you to get rid of your cohort and followers. Just put them to good use, for the betterment of our kingdom.
Unless you only wanted them so you could murderate crap well beneath our CR, at which point, I'm at a loss.
Here's a better ooc question:
Why would you want Illia- on an infiltration mission unless you want it to fail?
As far as the harpies go, you guys wanted them out of the way, neither Illia- or me are smart enough to figure out something more productive for them to do. They've never been adding anything to the kingdom, because I've never had something clever for them to do.
As for her ultimate reasoning for why she wanted them, Illia- likes harpies. She's expressed why in character. If you want to ask her why she's not working harder to make Escarra awesome, do so in character. Your answer will involve glitter.
Good thing this isn't a solo game then, huh? I'm sure all of us together can come up for something awesome and useful for them to do.
Was their a particular reason you chose harpies to begin with? And did you have any initial plans for them?
As for your OOC question, you're our tank, who happens to have a +29 to stealth. It's not like you're incapable of being sneaky. Plus, greater teleport at will is totally a thing :)
Flip question, why do you think coming along with us on an infiltration mission means it would fail?
Because I have the ability to recognize patterns? Illia- is impatient and has fairly consistently blown every element of surprise she's ever gotten by charging ahead. Sometimes more than once per mission.
It's not a mainline mission, you can easily handle a sidequest by yourself.
Plans for harpies: Illia likes harpies. That's it. They fly and share many characteristics with her, but are also not actual other Erinyes, which Illia- does not like.
Also, OOC arguments aren't going to hold any water, because we're not in dire straights. If we're fighting the final boss, have a person KO'od, and I as the Cleric refuse to heal them for an IC reason, that's bad form. If we're harassing townsfolk and one of you gets nauseated from drinking too much, and I as the cleric refuse to heal that for you for an IC reason, that's good roleplaying, because it's not going to harm the chances of the story continuing or have any long term consequences. The harpies weren't providing anything before, and they won't be providing anything in the future. Nothing lost. You guys aren't going to be TPK'd on the side-quest, and if you do, you're almost all immortal and we have insane high magic on our side. Nothing lost but some dignity.
yep, no worries here.
nothing worth getting angry over.
I'm kinda confused as to why you two are at each other's throats over this.
Dris, your writing is coming across as needlessly aggressive. I'm sure that isn't how you intended it. Keep in mind that none of this really matters.
Illia, you are coming across as flippant and dismissive. It seems like you're aware that none of this really matters, but rather than saying that you are disregarding the fact that what you've presented in the game has managed to upset the players. It could be that there's a lot of overreaction happening, but when things get to that point we need to address things carefully and thoughtfully even if we think none of it matters. Ultimately, the game doesn't matter. People's feelings about the game do.
This is the way games die. Given how far we've come I would really hate to see that. We are friends here. Let's remember that.
That's all I really wanted to say. I'll stop the amateur mediation now.
I'm not trying to be aggressive at all, and I'm definitely sorry if I came across that way. My whole point throughout all of this is, Illia is allowed to have her cohort and followers, as per the rules of the game, and I want her to have them. I just also want for them to be awesome and useful. Because Illia is awesome and useful.
I seem to vaguely recall you wanting to train them in the ways of maneuvers or something.
Why not create a school for them? Like via a creation using the KB rules, ala the reactor. Doesn't need to be something you personally run nor does it need to be something that relies on your stats or whatever for them to learn effectively.
Also, wasn't there something about them helping us facilitate long term communication? Or was that just your cohort?
The cohort wasn't going to be a harpy (after we had Cohort CR clarified). And I'm really not interested in trying to drag some use out of the harpies in combat. It would just make mass battles more tedious, and I've already equipped Illia- with some anti-army maneuvers to solve that problem herself by hitting things really hard.
I'm not willing as a player to put in the necessary work to make something out of them (I did pretty much nothing last downtime), and as a character, Illia- returning them to their home so they don't get zombified or assimilated into a society that doesn't match them makes a lot of sense to me.
The special discipline I wanted to make was completely negated in purpose by Path of War Expanded.
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A major thing I'm confused about is why anyone suddenly cares about the harpies. I tried doing stuff with them for one downtime, then completely abandoned it for the next one, and now that I'm making my dump of them official and have a good in character reason for it, everyone's worried about the harpies. I wasn't even doing anything with them.
A thing I don't like is how the entire conversation is out of character. I started it, sadly, so I can't complain, but I keep thinking of fun lines and character development that could have happened if this had been in character. As it is, this will be a massive waste of time and goodwill and we'll eventually settle on "ok, yes, harpies gone" or "er, nope, wait a minute, everyone suddenly rushed to Illia- and told her this brilliant idea that Illia- will now unquestioningly follow" entirely because of an OOC "who is willing to care more" argument.
I'm all for in character conversations about all this. I think the reason it became an out of character conversation is because it seemed like people became out of character upset.
As long as the out of character sense of fun and camaraderie is maintained, we should be able to have any kinds of disagreements in game.
Just remember to check in with each other here when characters in game are bring jerks to each other.
As for the in game situation, given that Illia is impulsive and has a very short attention span, her just losing intrest in the harpies makes perfect sense.
Monkey, if you have ideas for the harpies, why not have Dris offer to take them over from Illia?
I kind of view it as kittens. After the initial charm wears off, Illia- isn't really willing to take care of it. But she isn't willing to watch them be mistreated right in front of her either.
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Whatever happens to the harpies let's just deal with it quickly then never speak of it again.
Ack! Sorry y'all. Didn't have the time this week to moderate player arguments, but now I do. Let's see what I can do re: game direction back onto track.
Poke,
Everybody still here? Dapper, you all good?
still here. if we are waiting on me, it is perhaps best if we dont. i am so far behind schedule and have so little free time. I have no problem checking the boards and posting, but leveling up takes me forever and i don't want to hold everyone else up. i'd rather trudge along a level or two lower than others than hold them up from playing entirely.
that said, if you are going to raid that mansion, Inubrix would help, but it might be better to leave him "in the shop" if that is what you are all doing, so maybe i can be done by the time that is over.
I'm not quitting the game, I'm just... SOOOOO far behind and trying to catch up, haha
Still here. Checking in.
Still here. I've kind of lost my drive to push forward in the absence of players being pushier.
That said, I'll also be pretty busy for the next month or two (and have been for the last month). I feel like I've been kind of a s%!%ty GM, but I also feel like this game has naturally slowed down as a result of age, repeated absences on my part, and the fact that people got powerful enough to do endgame stuff (and make kingdom building a bit silly). I can work more on keeping the campaign going (we're about 2/3 of the way through what I had planned for this campaign), but I could also try to wind down the campaign, depending on how strongly players want to keep going.
I thought we were all waiting on Anaxian to do his Library boosted Knowledge checks.
I personally *love* this campaign, and hope to keep playing for as long as possible. The various plots are interesting, the PCs are awesome, the NPCs are unique and cool, and the overall game is one of my all time favorites.
Dapper, if you're slowing down on ideas, we could always come up with our own, that you could then design encounters and plot for, if that's acceptable?
Oh, I have ideas. It's just energy I'm generally worried about.
I have no problem with the drops in activity, as long as you keep us informed. Game is still really awesome, even with the lulls.
I have no problem with the drops in activity, as long as you keep us informed. Game is still really awesome, even with the lulls.
/cosigned
Alright. I'll try to push forward then (it's ballroom comp season at the moment and I'm way in over my head planning conferences and larps for the next two months, but that should lead to unexpected bursts of free time)
Dapper, couple of questions regarding abilities to Shim, since I can't remember:
1) How much does it cost to raise his ability score past 20?
2) Same for skills past 10 ranks?
3) I think you said I could give him a special purpose, but none of them really fit. Would something like advancing the goals of the Four Horsemen work?
4) Can I give Shim special purpose powers? If so, can I only give him one? or as many as I can afford?
1 & 2) Follow the same scaling (doubles for every two ability points, skill bonus is 100*skill^2. However, I'm going to say only one ability score and one skill can be over the normal cap.
3) I think "slay all enemies" probably works, since Illia-'s armor ("protect all allies") is similar, although that would keep him from, say, dealing nonlethal damage.
4) You can get multiple ones, just don't go too crazy with it.
How much over the normal cap(I assume you mean 20 in a score, and 10 ranks?).
Right now he's stats all 20s, and he has 10 ranks in Planes, Spellcraft and Survival.
If I can only increase one stat past 20, and one skill past 10, it would be Int and Planes, respectively.
Yeah, normal cap is 20 in a score and 10 ranks. You can push it to 30 in one score and 20 ranks, considering general scale of the party.
Late game stuff is hard. The game tends to devolve after about 12th level. Frankly, I'm amazed at how coherent this game has been. I expected the power level of the characters to cripple the game way sooner than this. I know I would not want to run a game for characters of this power scale (though I've learned a lot about how to do it from watching you).
I don't want the game to end, but I would understand if you wanted to wrap things up.
Maybe we could start a new party as lower level characters working for our old characters (who are now all members of the Council)?
Nah, I'm planning to keep it going. Just need another day or two to deal with current homework.
I'd just like Anaxian to roll those Knowledge checks so I can start slaughtering armies. :P
But yes, I'd love to have another RP with this group if we do eventually stop. I was quite excited about the prospect of Coffee Golem's game. I do want to play that luckbringer smith.
I was waiting for the GM to pipe in. Should I just start making some rolls?
The last thing said by the gm was that libraries allow you to take 10, but do add the city's lore bonus, and that, yes, you have time.
Same
Ok, checks posted.
It occurred to me while figuring all the numbers out that I still haven't made my plan for the Aboleth happen yet. Now I have the resources to do it, so I'd like to make that scene happen soon.
I have a couple ways I can do it. They both start out roughly the same- I Resurrect or Animate the Veiled Master (probably Animate. It's my thing.) The room will be a waterless cell prepared with Dimensional Anchor and something to prevent shapeshifting.
From there, I can do this 2 different ways-
1) Possess the Veiled Master and eat "myself" to gain the veiled master's memories.
2) Make a simulacrum of the Veiled Master, possess it, and eat the original (this appeals to me because then I would effectively have the memory eating ability whenever I want).
Does anyone have any comments? Problems? Things I haven't thought of?
Ok, checks posted.
It occurred to me while figuring all the numbers out that I still haven't made my plan for the Aboleth happen yet. Now I have the resources to do it, so I'd like to make that scene happen soon.
I have a couple ways I can do it. They both start out roughly the same- I Resurrect or Animate the Veiled Master (probably Animate. It's my thing.) The room will be a waterless cell prepared with Dimensional Anchor and something to prevent shapeshifting.
From there, I can do this 2 different ways-
1) Possess the Veiled Master and eat "myself" to gain the veiled master's memories.
2) Make a simulacrum of the Veiled Master, possess it, and eat the original (this appeals to me because then I would effectively have the memory eating ability whenever I want).
Does anyone have any comments? Problems? Things I haven't thought of?
#2 seems like the better plan. It's cleaner and you can keep your simulacra in reserve should you need it again. Though maybe keep it in statis until it's required. One less thing to worry about.
Anaxian, I've been redoing my sheet, and I wanted to ask, what was that item you gave us all that allows us to see through the endless smoke?
So... what did people seem to want to do? I have the following:
1. Finish diplomacy with Shraen envoy (should probably happen first?)
2. Visit Ghoul city for diplomacy
3. Scout shadow house in Nidal
I'm thinking finish up with the Shraen envoy, then head to the house in Nidal.
Also, ideas I've had for us to do:
Take over or otherwise establish a presence in Geb for our resident undead Lord.
Go planar. This has a nearly infinite amount of adventures for us, but some simple ones would be to establish bases/embassies in Hell, the Abyss, Axis and Abbadon. We could also take the fight to the good alinged planes.
I would love to see us become mythic, but that might be too much on top of how powerful we already are. However, this opens up even more crazy goals and objectives for us.