Jav. Srt-spear. spear, longspear.


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Shadow Lodge

Trying to build an Athena-type warrior-ess and struggling.

Primary annoyance comes from the stuff surrounding spear: 2-handed, simple, yet chuckable. You can chuck it at ppl. But Two-Handed i.e. you need two hands to wield it? You aint chucking this thing like a boulder with both hands over the head. But rather like a javelin. But two handed, but chuckable. The rules, as I understand them, are self-contradictory.

Secondly, despite all the crazy archetypes and numerous feats there is nothing that I can find that will allow you, even with some penalties, to use a Spear with one hand. Will have to settle for Short Spear which is both weak and not the image i want for my char.

Am I missing sommat obvious?

Silver Crusade

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Advanced Player's Guide, fighter archtype Phalanx Soldier, 3rd level ability allows polearms and spears to be used one-handed.


Since athena is often depicted with a shield, have you thought about the shield brace feat?

Shadow Lodge

Val'bryn2 wrote:
Advanced Player's Guide, fighter archtype Phalanx Soldier, 3rd level ability allows polearms and spears to be used one-handed.

Phalax Soldier is PERFECT!

Overlooked by myself due to me thinking this requires team work.
Still some waste - but flavour-wise it is perfect. Thanks!!!

Silver Crusade

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Where do you see the waste? If it has some higher level abilities that don't seem to fit, multiclass into something like paladin or ranger. Or if you prefer, go into swashbuckler, where your newly one-handed spear suddenly works with the swashbuckler abilities for a fairly good mobile opponent.

Shadow Lodge

Val'bryn2 wrote:
Where do you see the waste? If it has some higher level abilities that don't seem to fit, multiclass into something like paladin or ranger. Or if you prefer, go into swashbuckler, where your newly one-handed spear suddenly works with the swashbuckler abilities for a fairly good mobile opponent.

I shouldn't worry too much about what I call.... "waste". Just specials that I would very rarely use or find effective. But that is immaterial. The flavour is perfect and also it gets me out of my comfort zone a little to try moves/feats I would not normally.

Silver Crusade

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Just keep in mind the extra abilities, you never know when one can save your bacon. I never really thought about Feather Tokens, until a Society Scenario where we got some, and we found creative uses for them, up to and including dropping a tree on a T-Rex

Shadow Lodge

Val'bryn2 wrote:
Just keep in mind the extra abilities, you never know when one can save your bacon. I never really thought about Feather Tokens, until a Society Scenario where we got some, and we found creative uses for them, up to and including dropping a tree on a T-Rex

nice..... but later in life She will multiclass with Cleric. War and Knowledge domains ;-) Flavour, flavour, flavour! ;-)


You might alternately look up the doru as a weapon - it's a weighted spear which can be wielded one-handed as a martial or exotic weapon, doing 1d8 20/x2 damage if martial or 1d8 20/x3 if exotic. No special class or archetype required.

Shadow Lodge

avr wrote:
You might alternately look up the doru as a weapon - it's a weighted spear which can be wielded one-handed as a martial or exotic weapon, doing 1d8 20/x2 damage if martial or 1d8 20/x3 if exotic. No special class or archetype required.

not found a lot about that. What i have found is not "canon" and would require a lot of GM cajoling......


Cajoling? Distant Shores may be a fairly obscure book but it's not controversial that I've heard, and a weighted spear doesn't sound like an excesively weird item.

Grand Lodge

Dorus are Greek spears and would totally be fitting for an Athena type character


Alternatively, you could use a trident.

Shadow Lodge

i can only find limited references online to "doru". i use d2-pfsrd to make my chars and cannot find it there. Furthermore the use of (Long~)Spears with the Phalanx Soldier I find more than dequate.....
Are there any fighter Archetypes with little or no armour? I can find them in Barbarian but Athena is anything but a barbarian!


Lorewarden surrenders Medium and Heavy armor, but also surrenders shields, so you would have to feat that back in. (It also grants Knowledge stuff, which makes sense for Athena)


Morlaf wrote:


Are there any fighter Archetypes with little or no armour? I can find them in Barbarian but Athena is anything but a barbarian!

Of all the Greek Gods, Athena has perhaps the best case to be wearing heavy armor

"When the time came for Athena to be born, the smith god, Hephaistos, opened Zeus' head with an axe, and Athena stepped out, in full armor. "

She is a Goddess of fighting smart via technology, wearing the best armor fits in with that well.

Shadow Lodge

wow! Love Lorewarden but love your opinions on Athena with heavy armour. My char is a manifestation of her so you are correct about the armour. When she walks the streets of Athens exchanging philosophies she wears nothing but her white "toga". When she manifests in the middle of the battlefield she wears PHAT armour (not necessarily the heaviest as I will give her sick dex too).
thank you all!!

Silver Crusade

Perhaps make it glamered armor so that you are still wearing the armor.

Shadow Lodge

Val'bryn2 wrote:
Perhaps make it glamered armor so that you are still wearing the armor.

heh...

much, much later on ;-)

Shadow Lodge

Female, Aasimar (Heavenborn), Fighter (Phalanx Soldier).
with the odd level of Cleric thrown in here and there....

Name: Athena


If you are going to go there anyways, why not just make a warpriest?


Swashbuckler dip for the parry riposte. Thematic to parry a blow with the shield and retaliate a few times a day.

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