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So this is an aesthetic thing I really like-you can largely blame fire emblem myrmidons for it. I'd be quite happy if you could, say, buy expert proficiency in unarmored fighting even if you're not a monk.
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Seconded. It would make things easier for people who run games that take place largely at sea, or in deserts, where armor wearing should be rare.
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Kinda wish it was more viable to do in PF1 than what it is. Would be nice to have it on PF2 launch, at least for Barbarians! 5E did this in a funny way and it's nice to have it.
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Kinda wish it was more viable to do in PF1 than what it is. Would be nice to have it on PF2 launch, at least for Barbarians! 5E did this in a funny way and it's nice to have it.
Agreed! Unarmoured barbarians in 5E are the coolest! For those who don't play 5E, they basically get Monk's Unarmoured Defence, except they add Con mod to AC instead of Wis, and they don't lose the bonus when using a shield.
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Anyone else read the Pathfinder Worldscape comic series. The iconics got transported to a mixing of figures from various worlds, including Red Sonja, Tarzan, and Barsoom’s own John Carter. Along with the comics themselves, we also got game material from scenarios to race stat blocks to class archetypes.
And every class archetype to a one that got introduced traded something out for Monk-like AC progression. It’s an archetypal image that appears commonly enough that it should have easy access, I think, so thirded. Front-line characters should have a way to forgo armor and still be front-liners.
I've seen those archetypes on Archives of Nethys; they're pretty cool, though it's a bit of a shame the unarmored bits don't come online immediately.
Really don't see this as priority for Core Rules. Obviously would then be ripe for APG 2E.
I would expect something akin to Armor Mastery, so Light/Medium/Heavy +/- Shields have Fighter/Mastery paths.
Won't be surprised to see Multiclassing work differently if just how everything fits together, which could also scratch people's itches.
Fav OP post for a 'count me in'
I agree,fire emblem and anime is probably my inspiration for it.
I’d love to see something like this too.
It would be nice to have core rules which did a good enough job of supporting this trope to allow one to do this without taking a class entirely devoted to the idea (e.g., monk or swashbuckler).
Unarmored martials being viable is one of the things I'd love. I'd also love armored monks, though. Give me the real sohei in full o-yoroi!
I definitely want fully viable unarmed, unarmored fighters that can hold their own with a greatsword fullplate tank fighter and are just as good in different ways. I would also be totally game for armored monks - punching people to death in heavy armor is realistic and should be very viable, and one of the most popular anime in history (Dragon Ball Z) heavily features unarmed characters fighting in armor.
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I actually tried to do this once for PF1. It didn't work out well enough for the final product, though.
Since we know that there will be options for active defense (raise shield, some form of dodge, some form of parry, douvtless other forms of active defense based on actions and reactions), I would guess that an unarmored fighter is indeed possible.
Also, we don't know anything about how AC calculations will be made.
Nevertheless, I would expect an unarmored fighter to be significantly more "squishy" than an armored one, because the armored guy will doubtless have access to the same active defense options... and be wearing armor too.
Count me in. At least do this as an archetype, so you can 1-20 unarmored Fighter without having to dip monk. :) This sort of character is perfect not just for "Red Sonja" type settings but also just good old swashbucklers.