Homebrew a bow that shoots lasers.
The bow struck me as an item for those from more primitive worlds to start with, or else showing an example of what kind of things Special weapons can have. But who knows, maybe in the future we'll get laser bows.
The word "cyberbow" appears exactly once in the core book. Make of that what you will.
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I think their called bowcasters...
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(its a wookie roar^^)
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There are options for grenade arrows to up the damage, but the cost makes them 'for a rainy day' option as opposed to an every attack one.
Crossbolters can also take them while doing scaling damage.
at the very least it looks like they have more options than the carbonedge shuriken at least.
The two handed nature of them would have made me put them more on par with longarms than small arms.
I'm tempted to homebrew up some special bows myself. My thoughts being 'Non-unwieldy weapons with snipe', so you can rapid fire them OR make a long distance shot.
My homebrew is that bows will count as small arms for the purposes of operative attacks and Weapon Specialization.
Why? Since the level 1 bow has twice the range of the level 1 pistol, it makes Special Weapon Proficiency (Bows) roughly on par with the Far Shot feat. The Far Shot feat applies to all weapons, true, but the Bow can load load grenades so I think they're roughly on the same page. If you required a separate Weapon Specialization, then someone who wants to use a bow is at a significant feat sink for very little payoff.
As for higher-level bows, you can follow the "Projectile Small Arms Track" and double the range. I would also give bows the Analog special trait.
The level 1 Bow the same damage as the tactical semi-auto pistol, twice the range, quick reload, costs almost the same (5 credits less), and requires a special feat to use.
Here would be the progression:
Tactical Bow: Level 1, 260 credits, 1d6 P, 60 ft, 1 Capacity, Usage 1, Bulk L, Quick reload
Advanced Bow: Level 7, 5500 credits, 2d6 P, 120 ft, 1 Capacity, Usage 1, Bulk L, Quick reload
Elite Bow: Level 10, 18200 credits, 3d6 P, 120 ft, 1 Capacity, Usage 1, Bulk L, Quick reload
Paragon Bow: Level 13, 45200 credits, 4d6 P, 120 ft, 1 Capacity, USage 1, Bulk L, Quick reload
Tactical Gybrobow: Level 15, 91500 credits, 3d12 P, 160 ft, Knockdown Critical, 1 Capacity, Usage 1, Bulk L, Quick reload
Advanced Gybrobow: Level 17, 212700 credits, 4d12 P, 160 ft, Knockdown Critical, 1 Capacity, Usage 1, Bulk L, Quick reload
Tactical Gybrobow: Level 20, 715800 credits, 5d12 P, 160 ft, Knockdown Critical, 1 Capacity, Usage 1, Bulk L, Quick reload
I think Hanzo from Overwatch and Hawkeye from the Avengers have proven bows are popular for sci-fi settings. A bow's advantages should be its silence and choice of payload, but it should require special training.
I think these homebrew rules follow that pretty closely.
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Looks pretty good on the first glance
I am homebrewing some weapons myself and are planning on sharing them here too - mind if I put your bows in?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Li3YE3kpxSgWzYbez4iA1nFz5qNmTlD8q9z mX6Bz6kA/edit?usp=sharing
My own Homebrew on the topic. My design space idea for them was more or less 'Battle Rifles'. Falling somewhere between sniper rifles and regular longarms. Since they take weapon prof for absolutely everyone to buy into them, I figured they should be worth the feat.
The Infusers/Multifusers are tied to my general issue with the current grenade rules (WAY too expensive for a single shot weapon). Locking them behind a level-equivalent bow seemed a way to not make everyone ever have them by the barrel.
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There are options for grenade arrows to up the damage, but the cost makes them 'for a rainy day' option as opposed to an every attack one.
Crossbolters can also take them while doing scaling damage.
It's a trap!
No, really it is. Partly because grenade arrows are even more stupidly expensive, and bought in lots of 1.
But mostly because it isn't clear how it works. All the additional crossbolters have a multiple usage tag. (The dual using 2 of 4 arrows per shot, the advanced using 4 of 12, and the elite using 6 of 30). So presumably you need that many grenade arrows to fire, but it isn't clear if they explode as multiple grenades or not.
The rules for grenade arrows are completely silent on the matter. And presumably they wouldn't do arrow damage in addition to the explosion.
There are options for grenade arrows to up the damage, but the cost makes them 'for a rainy day' option as opposed to an every attack one.
Crossbolters can also take them while doing scaling damage.
It's a trap!
No, really it is. Partly because grenade arrows are even more stupidly expensive, and bought in lots of 1.
But mostly because it isn't clear how it works. All the additional crossbolters have a multiple usage tag. (The dual using 2 of 4 arrows per shot, the advanced using 4 of 12, and the elite using 6 of 30). So presumably you need that many grenade arrows to fire, but it isn't clear if they explode as multiple grenades or not.
The rules for grenade arrows are completely silent on the matter. And presumably they wouldn't do arrow damage in addition to the explosion.
Yeah... a grenade arrow is like 10 times more expensive than a grenade.
Hmm...interesting. Google drive links don't seem to work on the forum, I wonder why.
Let's try this then, see if it works. https://tinyurl.com/y9hy2xqo
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Hmm...interesting. Google drive links don't seem to work on the forum, I wonder why.
Let's try this then, see if it works. https://tinyurl.com/y9hy2xqo
Paizo's forums do not autolink, you need to format as per the below (in the How to format your text box at the bottom)
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Thanks, I'll remember that.
That's a fair point. I chose small-arms because the bow in the book was most similar to a projectile small arm in terms of damage and range (just range x2).
Also, if you make it count as a small-arm, the operative becomes pretty good at the bow if they select it. I think the bow fits nicely with the operative class: stealthy, skilled, etc. Making it a longarm conflicts with many of the operative class features.
Just be careful with letting Operatives use trick attack damage or their improved full attack with anything that gets full Weapon Specialization bonus damage. That's one of the things they want most in the world, and it may be possible to balance it, but it would have to require substantial investment. Having different bows for small-arms, longarms and sniper weapons is fine, I'm just advising caution about the longarm bows.
Yeah, I firmly believe they'll probably have more bow options in the future. We just have to wait for it :(
TUROK TEK BOW!!!
Regular / Adamantine / Zero-edge / molecular rift arrows?
In The Ruined Clouds, the Kish are a new alien race presented in this AP, and they have traditional weapons. One of them is the battlebow, and it's... basically what you have been wishing since the beginning. It comes in 4 grades (level tiers) and each bow fires arrows with higher damage according to grades. They can fire regular arrows (damage stated) and grenade arrows.
In The Ruined Clouds, the Kish are a new alien race presented in this AP, and they have traditional weapons. One of them is the battlebow, and it's... basically what you have been wishing since the beginning. It comes in 4 grades (level tiers) and each bow fires arrows with higher damage according to grades. They can fire regular arrows (damage stated) and grenade arrows.
Though, I believe they're archaic weapons.
In The Ruined Clouds, the Kish are a new alien race presented in this AP, and they have traditional weapons. One of them is the battlebow, and it's... basically what you have been wishing since the beginning. It comes in 4 grades (level tiers) and each bow fires arrows with higher damage according to grades. They can fire regular arrows (damage stated) and grenade arrows.Though, I believe they're archaic weapons.
Qucik Reload, Analog and Archaic... but only for the regular arrows; I assume that Grenade Arrows deal full damage :P
Is there an enhancement, a feat or ability to negate the Archaic quality?
I like this idea (since someone here at the forum implanted the idea of a scifi erastil scout/mythic in my head...)
Maybe instead of improving the stats only via the bow, you could split it between bow and arrow (bow for range and different arrows for the damage) - this would make better arrows more interesting. ;) (while it would mean more micro-managment for the player)
Grenade arrows suffer horribly from being way too expensive and low damage for the effect they give. Being level -5 for damage is a staggering amount of damage loss and they are much more expensive than the grenades they do less damage than.
A bow's advantages should be its silence and choice of payload, but it should require special training.
I imagine lasers are pretty silent too, seeing that they are just concentrated beams of light.
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A bow's advantages should be its silence and choice of payload, but it should require special training.I imagine lasers are pretty silent too, seeing that they are just concentrated beams of light.
Heresy! Lasers gun makes ''Pew Pew'' sounds and there's sound in space!
Heresy! Lasers gun makes ''Pew Pew'' sounds and there's sound in space!A bow's advantages should be its silence and choice of payload, but it should require special training.I imagine lasers are pretty silent too, seeing that they are just concentrated beams of light.
You're thinking of plasma weapons, which uses charged particles and super heated gases, the displacement of which would probably make a sound.