Oh Marvel, you really are terrible now.


Comics

401 to 450 of 929 << first < prev | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | next > last >>
Liberty's Edge

1 person marked this as a favorite.

It's not like anyone cares about Alpha Flight anyway...


1 person marked this as a favorite.
Greylurker wrote:

Yeah for all their claims of "No Mind Control, Clones or alternate reality Caps" it turns out to be Mind Control.

I'm guessing the backlash requiered a very quick response to clear the air.

The revelation is actually printed in the second issue. Unless lead times in the publishing world have drastically changed, there is absolutely no way they changed that in response to the backlash. That issue was already finished and in the can when the first one hit the shelves. This was the plan all along.

And it's technically not mind control, so not a lie, just misleading. Like we all knew all along.

Sovereign Court

Krensky wrote:
It's not like anyone cares about Alpha Flight anyway...

Hahaha!

Sovereign Court

Eric Hinkle wrote:

So... Marvel lied about Cap. He was under mind control by a female(?) Cosmic Cube who did this to jerk the fans' chains please the Red Skull.

I guess that makes more sense than using a gun that froze him in space and time at the moment of his death.

Golf clap for Marvel and Spencer. lol

Dark Archive

Still trying to forgive Marvel for depowering a character so Luke Cage can be an Avengers lead, then have said character test beat up by average strength baddies.


3 people marked this as a favorite.
Krensky wrote:
It's not like anyone cares about Alpha Flight anyway...

I'm American and I love alpha flight. They were a bastion of sense at one point in time.

Dark Archive

1 person marked this as a favorite.

Alpha Flight was a great book, for a couple of years. Then it went downhill, IMO, and I'm not sure they'd ever be able to recapture that lightning. It's kind of like Marvel's version of the Teen Titans, a concept that gets (badly) relaunched every decade or so, and kind of lands with a plotz, like a dead bird on the porch, and then gets shelved again because it sucked, and it's all the fans fault for wanting something other than a horrible relaunch that has the same name as the original, and none of the spirit of the original.

Oh look, Cap isn't Hydra again. Is there an expression for how much shock I'm *not* in at this revelation?


Greylurker wrote:

Yeah for all their claims of "No Mind Control, Clones or alternate reality Caps" it turns out to be Mind Control.

I'm guessing the backlash requiered a very quick response to clear the air.

Well, by a mere technicality it isn't mind control - it's a mental history re-write. Mere semantics, but that's enough for the hype machine I guess.


Grey Lensman wrote:
Greylurker wrote:

Yeah for all their claims of "No Mind Control, Clones or alternate reality Caps" it turns out to be Mind Control.

I'm guessing the backlash requiered a very quick response to clear the air.

Well, by a mere technicality it isn't mind control - it's a mental history re-write. Mere semantics, but that's enough for the hype machine I guess.

Given that the actual twist was pretty much called by ShinHakkaider in the 9th post in this thread, I find it really hard to get upset about the technicality or the semantics. Or imagine it was a reaction to the backlash.

It's a plot. A storyline.


3 people marked this as a favorite.

It remains a really dumb gimmicky storyline, which is what everyone's been saying.

Grand Lodge

2 people marked this as a favorite.
Pathfinder Adventure, Adventure Path, Pathfinder Accessories, Rulebook, Starfinder Adventure Path Subscriber
Grey Lensman wrote:
it's a mental history re-write.

I thought the cosmic cube was capable of actual history revision.


Sundakan wrote:
It remains a really dumb gimmicky storyline, which is what everyone's been saying.

Might be. I haven't read it, so I couldn't say. It's comics. There's a lot of dumb gimmicky storylines.

Some people have said that. Others have ranted about how this was a complete betrayal of the very concept of Captain America and how Simon and Kirby would be rolling over in their graves.


2 people marked this as a favorite.

I would say shooting him with a gun that had him hover between life and death is dumber.


TriOmegaZero wrote:
Grey Lensman wrote:
it's a mental history re-write.
I thought the cosmic cube was capable of actual history revision.

It is but I think in this case, because it's less...intelligent or at least not as perceptive as it former self as a 'pure' cosmic cube; Now that it has sentience it kind of 'edited' Cap's personal history WITHOUT doing the whole butterfly effect.

Weird? Yes. Stupid? Probably. But at least now we can say "I blame Red Skull and Cosmic Cubes."

Liberty's Edge

thejeff wrote:
Sundakan wrote:
It remains a really dumb gimmicky storyline, which is what everyone's been saying.

Might be. I haven't read it, so I couldn't say. It's comics. There's a lot of dumb gimmicky storylines.

Some people have said that. Others have ranted about how this was a complete betrayal of the very concept of Captain America and how Simon and Kirby would be rolling over in their graves.

You forgot the ones saying that it's an act of antisemitism.


It's not exactly being good about racism that's for sure, Krensky...

Liberty's Edge

1 person marked this as a favorite.

It's a bullshit argument made by people who don't know what they're talking about. Kirby had Cap be a Nazis for a while. Then there was the whole Grand Director thing.


I didn't know he was involved in the Grand Director....

Liberty's Edge

1 person marked this as a favorite.

No, Burnside was much later, but the point is that Cap appearing to be a Nazi for a month is not new, was done by the original creators, and has nothing to due with anti semetism.


Edit: Nvm. Leading horses to water, etc.


Krensky,

If you say so. I just am not happy about Cap being a member of Hydra, Nazi or otherwise.

Now if he join A.I.M. or the Hand, different story.


Thomas Seitz wrote:

Krensky,

If you say so. I just am not happy about Cap being a member of Hydra, Nazi or otherwise.

Now if he join A.I.M. or the Hand, different story.

Speaking of the Hand

If the solicites for November are correct guess who the newest Hand - ressurected minion is

Need a hint

He's Big and Green


Grey,

I saw that. That makes me wonder if Ulysses' vision was more like a premonition about taking the course of actions that led to Banner's demise.

Also Hydra Cap apparently wants to be the new bad guy of Hydra. Or at least kill the Red Skull anyway.


Thomas Seitz wrote:

Grey,

I saw that. That makes me wonder if Ulysses' vision was more like a premonition about taking the course of actions that led to Banner's demise.

Also Hydra Cap apparently wants to be the new bad guy of Hydra. Or at least kill the Red Skull anyway.

LMAO oh man if that's true Skull really f'ed up. Red, White and Blue Cap would just punch him and and toss him in jail. Hydra Cap might actually kill him


Grey,

Read the latest issue of Captain America: Steve Rogers. He basically said "I'm going to kill the Red Skull." Well kind of.


ok hang on a sec

What is the current status of the Founding Avengers in marvel at this time?

Thor
Ant-man
Wasp
Iron man
Hulk
Rick Jones

and little bit later Captain America

I'm sensing an event in the works

Dark Archive

Greylurker wrote:

What is the current status of the Founding Avengers in marvel at this time?

1) Thor
2) Ant-man
3) Wasp
4) Iron man
5) Hulk
6) Rick Jones

7) and little bit later Captain America

I'm sensing an event in the works

1) Using a backup hammer or Celestial-killin' axe, but otherwise functioning as (a) Thor.

2) Kinda dead(ish).
3) Adventuring with Pym's daughter by his first wife.
4) Fighting with Carol about pre-emptively killing people who might commit crimes. Perhaps soon to be quasi-retired while two other people fill his shoes.
5) Dead. Not even 'ish.'
6) In hiding from SHIELD, seems a bit paranoid, but since people really are out to get him, it's understandable.
7) Mind-jobbed into thinking that he's Hydra, that we've always been at war with Eastasia, and that there are five lights.

It's pretty inconsistent. Some are alive and kicking. Most have one or more legacy characters running around (some, like Scott Lang, having been legacies for decades, others, like Amadeus Cho or Jane Foster or Sam Wilson, are older characters, but new to the legacy thing, others, like Nadia Pym and Riri Williams, just showed up now-ish). And a few are pining for the fjords.


Set wrote:
Greylurker wrote:

What is the current status of the Founding Avengers in marvel at this time?

1) Thor
2) Ant-man
3) Wasp
4) Iron man
5) Hulk
6) Rick Jones

7) and little bit later Captain America

I'm sensing an event in the works

1) Using a backup hammer or Celestial-killin' axe, but otherwise functioning as (a) Thor.

2) Kinda dead(ish).
3) Adventuring with Pym's daughter by his first wife.
4) Fighting with Carol about pre-emptively killing people who might commit crimes. Perhaps soon to be quasi-retired while two other people fill his shoes.
5) Dead. Not even 'ish.'
6) In hiding from SHIELD, seems a bit paranoid, but since people really are out to get him, it's understandable.
7) Mind-jobbed into thinking that he's Hydra, that we've always been at war with Eastasia, and that there are five lights.

It's pretty inconsistent. Some are alive and kicking. Most have one or more legacy characters running around (some, like Scott Lang, having been legacies for decades, others, like Amadeus Cho or Jane Foster or Sam Wilson, are older characters, but new to the legacy thing, others, like Nadia Pym and Riri Williams, just showed up now-ish). And a few are pining for the fjords.

And now I'm pining for a Jane, Sam, Riri, Nadia, Scott, Amadeus Avengers team.


Jaçinto wrote:
I honestly wish they had fictional political leaders and events rather than tying themselves to real ones. That just sounds stupid, Krensky.

A prime example comes from DC:

In the space of about a year, Reagan left office, and President Bush the elder and Clinton had terms, followed by "the Governor of Texas" and the "Vice-President" being beat by third party candidate and savior of Gotham City, Lex Luthor. (1989-2001 = 1 year in DCU)
Lex's single term ran over five years real time. Afterwards, they had President Suarez, also a single term lasting over 5 years.

With a sliding timescale, using a real person only serves to tell the audience your characters should really be 100 years old, not 25 forever.
Plus, if you use a real president, and have him do something bad, you offend readers who support that president. Or lose his detractors by making him nobler than the real world version.


Thejeff,

Jane and Sam will still be Avengers along with Nadia. Spiderman (Peter Parker), Hercules and Vision will be joining them.

Amadeus, Sam (Nova), Kamala (Ms Marvel), Miles (Spider-man), Viv (Vision's daughter) and young time displaced Cyclops are making a go as the Champions.

Also clarifying, yes Pym is kind of dead, but part of his consciousness merged with Ultron who pretty much is KIND not dead. But we'll see if any that sticks.

Finally, Rick Jones isn't on the lamb. He's working the Hydra Cap and Sharon Carter to get his kind of "work release" with S.H.I.E.L.D. taken care of. He still has his newly acquired hacker skills, along with feeling sad that Bruce is dead.

Odinson (The original Thor) is going to have a short mini-series detailing where the hell he's been and what's he doing with trying to be worthy. Supposedly Beta Ray Bill will show up in it too.

Riri will NOT be called Iron Woman. Her new code name is Ironheart. (Yes it's silly especially when she's in Invincible Iron Man)

That's pretty much all I know except apparently we're getting a version of the Clone Saga...again.


Thomas Seitz wrote:

Thejeff,

Jane and Sam will still be Avengers along with Nadia. Spiderman (Peter Parker), Hercules and Vision will be joining them.

Amadeus, Sam (Nova), Kamala (Ms Marvel), Miles (Spider-man), Viv (Vision's daughter) and young time displaced Cyclops are making a go as the Champions.

Also clarifying, yes Pym is kind of dead, but part of his consciousness merged with Ultron who pretty much is KIND not dead. But we'll see if any that sticks.

Finally, Rick Jones isn't on the lamb. He's working the Hydra Cap and Sharon Carter to get his kind of "work release" with S.H.I.E.L.D. taken care of. He still has his newly acquired hacker skills, along with feeling sad that Bruce is dead.

Odinson (The original Thor) is going to have a short mini-series detailing where the hell he's been and what's he doing with trying to be worthy. Supposedly Beta Ray Bill will show up in it too.

Riri will NOT be called Iron Woman. Her new code name is Ironheart. (Yes it's silly especially when she's in Invincible Iron Man)

That's pretty much all I know except apparently we're getting a version of the Clone Saga...again.

Yeah, I know about the Avengers and Champions. I just liked the idea of a team that was straight replacements for the original Avengers (+Cap, because he really counts as an original even if he only came in #4.) And Rick should come hang out with them.

I have been enjoying the All different Avengers so far. Who knows how it will go with the membership shakeup. Or Champions either.
Looking forward to Thor the Unworthy. And cautiously to Ironheart as well.

Not to the Clone Saga, though if it's just Jackal coming back with various clones and not another Peter Parker replacement, it might be alright.


Thejeff,

Far as I know it's just Miles Warren aka the Jackel in a new suit (Ie an actual business suit) with an Anubis head along with possibly cloned dead people. Unclear if they will have Peter be cloned some more.


Bringing back the champions, huh? Wonder when the defenders will come back, although I really liked the all female take.


Freehold,

Yeah Champions is coming back. No word on when Defenders would return but I wouldn't push it past them to showcase in 2017.


2 people marked this as a favorite.

Well, it's not so much the Champions as "they had this spare superhero team name lying around".

I do have fond memories of the original Champs run, way back when. Shame it didn't last.


That's true Jeff, but they did try to use Champions for the Order before there was legal trouble with the name.

Now it's not a legal issue. So...but you're 100% these Champions aren't the same as the older iterations of the group.

The Exchange RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16

Well, the original Champions included Iceman and Angel. So, this iteration including Teen Cyclops has a continuity about it.

I'm just really glad it's not the [adjective] X-Men or the [adjective] Avengers.


Thomas Seitz wrote:

Freehold,

Yeah Champions is coming back. No word on when Defenders would return but I wouldn't push it past them to showcase in 2017.

I would expect the defenders sometime next year... but I don't think it'll have anything to do with the classic concept. It'll probably be Heroes for Hire clone to tie-in with the Netflix series.


Phantom,

Perhaps but I would also suspect they might try to go with SOME of the classic lineup. I could be wrong though.

Chris,

The adjective X-men/Adjective Avengers will probably still be there, just not in the current form.

IE I think we'll still have the Uncanny Avengers/Unity Squad. Not sure about the Uncanny X-men or Extraordinary X-men...but we'll see.

Dark Archive

thejeff wrote:
Well, it's not so much the Champions as "they had this spare superhero team name lying around".

Yeah, much like the current Ultimates, who have literally nothing to do with the other universe team of 'ultimate' Avengers, the new Champions don't seem to have any ties to Angel, Iceman, Black Widow or the Ghost Rider, and only the thinnest (and most likely coincidental) tie to Hercules, through Amadeus Cho.

I do miss competent grown-up Angel, who could make the jump to attempting to lead his own team, and later-addition, Darkstar.

Ghost Rider seemed a bit out of place in a mainstream team book, adventuring in bright day on the Left Coast, though...

The addition of teen Cyclops to this new Champions team is interesting, in that it kind of automatically means that the concept won't be showing up in the MCU any time soon, at least, not with Tyke as a member. (They've already introduced a Hulk, a Spider-Man, a Vision, the Nova Corps, Cho's mom in Age of Ultron, and the concept of Inhumans in Agents of SHIELD, but mutants are right out, and Cyclops is a pretty darn recognizable X-Men character, who, unlike Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, isn't 'mostly an Avenger' or subject to any sort of waffling.) Logically, new books and teams would be designed with at least an eye out for possible cross-promotion or future MCU adaptation, but the inclusion of teen Cyclops kind of tosses that logic on it's ear. Then again, it's super-early for that sort of thinking anyway. Spider-Man *just* showed up, as the Vision was introduced, in movie time, about three hours ago. Neither is quite ready for a new Hulk or a 'Vision family.' Similarly, the Nova Corps, while sitting on an Infinity Stone, one of which was shown to be able to pump out superhumans like the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, hasn't yet been shown to be doing anything about that and powering up select members of it's Nova Corps. That sort of stuff would need to be set up or at least preluded to, before an 'MCU Champions' would be credible. (And the book would have to do well before it would even be sensible!)


Set,

Grown up Angel is currently working through his Archangel/Warren personality issues in Uncanny X-men.

But otherwise you're correct. The current Ultimates aren't the Avengers. They're more like the Fantastic Six or something like it.


Thomas Seitz wrote:

Phantom,

Perhaps but I would also suspect they might try to go with SOME of the classic lineup. I could be wrong though.

Maybe.... they have Dr. Strange to promote too. Though isn't Namor and Hulk both dead right now? I think I'd rather have a Netflix Defenders take the lead and Strange reboot the Midnight Sons...

I'll be honest, I REALLY like the names Defenders and Champions. It just has that old school 'Superhero-team' feel to them.

One that I DON'T like??

Avengers. It's a very aggressive name for a mostly defensive team concept. Like Coulson said... They have to have something to Avenge. They rarely lose. The goal is to stop the villains BEFORE people die. They react to invasions and super-villains and what not... AVENGERS would be going after Zemo... and if he got away? They would HUNT HIM DOWN!!! No place to run... no place to hide!

Captain America and the like always struck me as more 'Defenderish' then Avenger... Great big Shield... Standing in front of the world and saying THIS is under MY protection...

Champions? Never cared for the original team much... but still love the name.


Phantom,

I'm old school. Avengers Assemble still stands out as the best battle cry around.

As for Namor...well here's where it gets interesting. AGAIN!

In some solicits come out in Squadron Supreme (you remember those guys right) they did kill Namor. HOWEVER aka Zelda Shelton from Squadon Sinister impersonated Zelda Shelton from Squadron Supreme. She's now in control of an alien crime syndicate titled the Myriad thanks to mind control powers by one Mordred the Mystic (not to be confused with Mordred from Camelot and such.) Mordred recently used the same mind whammy on Ulysses and got a view of the future. In it she needed the assistance of the Atlantans. To get that, she need to bring back Namor.

Well Namor's dead now right? True but she knows there's an old working Doom Time Platform...so...yeah.


Thomas Seitz wrote:

Freehold,

Yeah Champions is coming back. No word on when Defenders would return but I wouldn't push it past them to showcase in 2017.

Perhaps, but it will likely be a rather different lineup than any of the old Defenders lineups (assuming it mirrors the MCU Defenders).


Norman,

No one knows since it's not been announced yet and they've yet to get through 2016 stuff yet...


The real point of upcoming change is the Marvel Cinematic Universe, with several of the actors approaching the end of their contracts. Look to see major changes in the Avengers lineup.


Drah,

I think we'll worry about that when Infinity War and whatever Part I is called end. Which means 2020. I'd assume.


Set wrote:
thejeff wrote:
Well, it's not so much the Champions as "they had this spare superhero team name lying around".

Yeah, much like the current Ultimates, who have literally nothing to do with the other universe team of 'ultimate' Avengers, the new Champions don't seem to have any ties to Angel, Iceman, Black Widow or the Ghost Rider, and only the thinnest (and most likely coincidental) tie to Hercules, through Amadeus Cho.

I do miss competent grown-up Angel, who could make the jump to attempting to lead his own team, and later-addition, Darkstar.

Ghost Rider seemed a bit out of place in a mainstream team book, adventuring in bright day on the Left Coast, though...

The addition of teen Cyclops to this new Champions team is interesting, in that it kind of automatically means that the concept won't be showing up in the MCU any time soon, at least, not with Tyke as a member. (They've already introduced a Hulk, a Spider-Man, a Vision, the Nova Corps, Cho's mom in Age of Ultron, and the concept of Inhumans in Agents of SHIELD, but mutants are right out, and Cyclops is a pretty darn recognizable X-Men character, who, unlike Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, isn't 'mostly an Avenger' or subject to any sort of waffling.) Logically, new books and teams would be designed with at least an eye out for possible cross-promotion or future MCU adaptation, but the inclusion of teen Cyclops kind of tosses that logic on it's ear. Then again, it's super-early for that sort of thinking anyway. Spider-Man *just* showed up, as the Vision was introduced, in movie time, about three hours ago. Neither is quite ready for a new Hulk or a 'Vision family.' Similarly, the Nova Corps, while sitting on an Infinity Stone, one of which was shown to be able to pump out superhumans like the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, hasn't yet been shown to be doing anything about that and powering up select members of it's Nova Corps. That sort of stuff would need to be set up or at least preluded to, before an 'MCU Champions' would...

One of the meta-themes of the entire Champions roster is that they all are, in a way, a legacy character of some sort. Tyke is effectively a legacy character to himself, granted, but that's the most the theme needs to stretch.


Who the heck is Tyke, Grey?!?


Thomas Seitz wrote:
Who the heck is Tyke, Grey?!?

The Teen Cyclops, I assume.

401 to 450 of 929 << first < prev | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | next > last >>
Community / Forums / Gamer Life / Entertainment / Comics / Oh Marvel, you really are terrible now. All Messageboards

Want to post a reply? Sign in.