I think we are probably getting new archetypes, but as far as I know no full classes.
What about a paladin knight that stays good but still deals in curses? Sort of like a righteous hag from folklore, wandering about and laying fitting jinxes and geasa (wow, that's the plural?) down upon the wicked. Maybe connect it to the halfling jinx feats?
I'm just spitballing here. A horror-themed Pathfinder book would be awesome—I still regret losing my copy of HoH. One of my all-time favorite D&D 3.5 books.
If such a book were to be published then late 2016 would be ideal, given the Strange Aeons AP that releases its first book at Gencon.
I for one would like to see new a new bardic masterpiece: "It's beginning to look a lot like fish men"
Than your in luck...Horror Adventures is the Gencon RPG hardcover release, so should roughly coincide with the Strange Aeons AP
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Yeah I realized after the tenor of this thread I had clearly missed an awesome announcement and went site prowling to see that indeed this was a "request for specific content in an announced book", not a "request for a book to be created" thread. I'm now officially stoked.
I still would like to see that bardic masterpiece I mentioned.
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Slightly OT but check out Four Dollar Dungeon's latest adventure: Reign of Terror. Richard Develyn knows horror too...
Also check out Ravenloft d20 (3.0,3.5 edition) and Ryan Naylor's PFRPG conversion.
How about another type of request, how about with this book Paizo DOESN'T go back to any of the old books and implement needless 'errata' simply to manufacture a problem that the new book magically solves (Or half-solves, because gotta leave room for the softcovers!)
Yes, I'm salty.
Or this book will just contain Errata's, completing ruining all builds currently in pathfinder...
And THAT is why it is called Horror Adventures...
See, that's not horrifying to me, that's rage-inducing. Like, that's almost requiring me to take a level in barbarian to show how angry I'd be. :P
It is a shame that there will be no new classes because I could think of some that would have be cool.
Don't know what the details would be, but I'd love for there to be an archetype for Sorcs in this, tied in with some of the creepier bloodlines.
New UC Eidolon option that is a mini that-which-mortals-were-not-meant-gaze-upon.
Occultist archetype borrowing from Investigator. Actually, an archetype for each of the occult classes that focuses on the horror vibes would be really nice.
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A PF version of the Archivist would fill a couple of RP/thematic holes that currently exist....
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Actually, an archetype for each of the occult classes that focuses on the horror vibes would be really nice.
This +1.
Occult adventures seems ready made for horror themed campaigns. I'd *love* to see horror-vibe archetypes for the various occult classes.
(For example, a medium variant which channels desparate spiri ttypes instead of legendary ones. E.g., can channel things like: Killer, Traitor, Addict, Frobidden Practiitioner, Heretic, and Madman. And is forced to take on some of those spirit's less savory attributes when they get channeled... Lots of fun role-playing opportunities!)
Wasn't there some kind of "corruption" mechanic mentioned where you take on traits of monsters? I hope this isn't just for aberrations, evil outsiders and undead but dragons, fey, magical beast, and monstrous humanoids as well.
I am hoping for at least one horror themed archetype for almost every class.
I hope there will be some more bloodlines for Sorcerers and Bloodragers.
I hope there will be new mysteries and curses for the Oracle.
I hope there will be traits and feats to make characters more monstrous or for use by monstrous playable races.
I'd like to see paizo's interpretation of a system of horror as well.
As long as these rules don't make it easier to kill or debilitate the players then I will be fine.
There is an advanced crypt thing in The Cleaves that will teleport adventurers across time and space into a horror situation. The adventurer or adventurers will then return, alive or dead.
The Crypt Creeper
His skin is stretched tight over his bones. His voice and laugh are creepy too. He asks, “Would you like to know where the next piece of the font is? Heeehehehehehe!!!!!” If someone says yes, he will teleport/plane shift them.
The characters will end up in a module or encounter of the GMs choosing. They will find the rod with the remains of the person who escaped The Cleaves. As soon as the characters have the item and move out of the adventure, they will wind up back in The Cleaves. The Crypt Creeper is a special construct similar to a flesh golem but forever stuck in his original program.
You can repurpose him into an adventure of it's own.
The investigators find him, he offers them a wish, and instead they experience a horror story firsthand.
While it's not horror-related per se, research is often important in horror games, and so I hope we'll see the research rules presented in Mummy's Mask appear in this book so those GMs who don't have access to the Mummy's Mask adventure path can benefit from this fun little subsystem.
You mean like if they are will saves or something like that?
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In other words options that only casters can truly use or take advantage of or at least lessen any negative effects.
You are slipping into a flame war. This is what happens when you want to gimp casters instead of enhance fighters.
Here is a class that allows anyone to have spells but at a cost.
Ritualistic Caster.
Chance of successfully casting the spell is 10+ Dex bonus + mental bonus(Wisdom for clerical, Intelligence for Arcane, or Charisma for performance based) + 5 for a focus or material component.
Cantrips/orisons have a casting DC of 10. very easy. Can cast as an acolyte.
1st level is DC 15. Can cast at first level.
2nd level DC 17. Can cast at 4th level.
3rd is DC 19. Can cast at 6th level.
4th is DC 21. Can cast at 8th level.
5th is DC 23. Can cast at 10th level.
6th is DC 25. Can cast at 12th level.
7th is DC 27. Can cast at 14th level.
8th is DC 29. Can cast at 16th level.
9th is DC 31. Can cast at 18th level.
Damage to the character is subtracted from chance of success. A failed concentration check means the spell fails and the consequences happen.
Other minuses include, armor check penalties, possibly a -4 to casting during combat, ect.
Failure results in a backlash instead of the spell. Spell Level appropriate results.
Necromancy turns the nearest remains or death site into a hostile undead. Thus anyone who can't be animated might become a shadow.
Conjuration/Summoning will summon a monster of an alignment opposite to you. Thus a good aligned caster might be beset by hell hounds.
Healing failure results in 1D4 per spell level damage to the caster.
Evocation or any damaging spell results in the spell targeting the caster. If it's a touch spell, congratulations, you both suffer. :)
This is a work in progress and you can take parts for your system, suggest changes(I think the DCs might be low), or anything civil.
Combat and saves are not mentioned because this is an archetype that can be applied to any base class.
I'll post this in homebrew and probably expand it there, so if you have a personal problem with this, just delete the post. This topic would look wrong in homebrew.
Huh?
I second the sentiment. The thread is slipping a bit needlessly towards Martial/Caster talk, though. The lot of you should steer clear of that. This thread is about Horror Adventures, not rules balance.
Back on topic, I would really like some stuff for PCs—or at least for crafting NPCs. Archetypes and stuff could be really fun and useful.
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Templates I hope too see...
-A aberrant creature/half aberration type template.
-A template for living creatures that makes them feed on fear.
-A ghost animal template that grants them ghost touch as use there cha score for Str.
-A template that turns humanoids into some kind of monstrous humanoid, maybe a curse effect or Dr. Jackal/Mr. Hyde type effect.
-A half-ooze/ooze creature type template.
-Invisible creature template(can't become visible and goes insane).
-A template that makes any creature strictly carnivorous and always hungry.
-A type of vampire that feeds on fear, emotion, or souls.
-A template for living corporeal creatures that makes them into pure thought, or maybe thought constructs.
-A template that grants humanoids(and maybe some other creature types) eternal youth/life at the cost of draining youth/vigor from other living creatures to keep young.
-A template for living corporeal creatures that makes them into pure thought, or maybe thought constructs.
That might be abit redundant with the fact we have a thought-construct template already.
-A type of vampire that feeds on fear, emotion, or souls.
Pathfinder already has two psychic vampires... but they're both from the Campaign Setting-line, so maybe this'll be RPG-line's chance of showing one of the two.
I am not talking about the creatures from the astral plane that are created for a single purpose and then no longer exists when they are finished. I am talking about something much more in the line of classic horror and horrible fate.
I am not talking about the creatures from the astral plane that are created for a single purpose and then no longer exists when they are finished. I am talking about something much more in the line of classic horror and horrible fate.
I sincerely do not know what creature your talking about. I was talking about Tulpa, which aren't from the astral, aren't made for a single purpose (though they can be formed through occultic ritual), and are very very very hard to get rid of without killing the host who's mind is sustaining it.
No, nothing like the Tulpa, not a creature made from a host's mind but the original creatures mind no longer needing a body but is pure mental energy. Though weather that mental energy needs a host body to survive or just flies around were it wants to is up to them.
As for psychic/thought construct creatures can look exactly like the base creature but is a construct that may or may not have intelligence scores.
Regardless the Tulpa is nothing like what I am looking for.
No, nothing like the Tulpa, not a creature made from a host's mind but the original creatures mind no longer needing a body but is pure mental energy. Though weather that mental energy needs a host body to survive or just flies around were it wants to is up to them.
As for psychic/thought construct creatures can look exactly like the base creature but is a construct that may or may not have intelligence scores.
Regardless the Tulpa is nothing like what I am looking for.
Oh I misunderstood. Sounds like the old Unbodied from 3.5e as a template..... though I could see what you just described working as an unfettered eidolon.... *Jots down notes for plot ideas*
The Bones Oracle is really close to being the Dread Necromancer straight out of the box. Animate and Control, bone armor, soul reaping, negative energy touch attacks...
Also seems more like Occult Adventures than horror per se... not that the line between the two is particularly thick, but one seems more the place for psychic weirdness.
Now, if the transformation were in some way involuntary? Total horror stuff right there.
Of course, given that the book hits the shelves in July, pretty sure the basic content is more or less set in stone, so...
Part of me is hoping for a mini-kineticist element of Flesh. But it seems very very very unlikely.
Wouldn't the unfettered phantom work better then the Eidolon.
A flesh element would be weird but it could work.
Wouldn't the unfettered phantom work better then the Eidolon.
Unfettered phantoms seem less thought-constructy and more souly to me.
A flesh element would be weird but it could work.
I'd see it as the animal side of positive to match the plant side of positive already shown.
All i want are random tables for phobias and insanity, with nice rules for a ton of them. Yes, i still use my ravenloft books for those.
A table and rules for phobias and insanity would be nice.
Kineticist elements that would fit would be flesh, bone, shadow, mind, and soul.
A table and rules for phobias and insanity would be nice.
Kineticist elements that would fit would be flesh, bone, shadow, mind, and soul.
IMO soul should just be added to Aether.
They are just ideas, there are elements I would like to see a lot more but they wouldn't fit the theme of this book.
Archetype Element? kinda like what the Sorcerer got for its bloodlines
No, just add it to aether... Since ghosts, phantoms, and the souly image that everyone has are all tied to the ethereal.
Technically Aether is the manipulation of matter so no that wouldn't make any sense.
If anything soul would be an offshoot of void or it's positive energy counterpart that doesn't exist yet...if ever.
Technically Aether is the manipulation of matter so no that wouldn't make any sense.
Technically Fire is the manipulation of fire and yet you can go all phoenix. Aether should be all sorts of ethereal stuff.
If anything soul would be an offshoot of void or it's positive energy counterpart that doesn't exist yet...if ever.
Positive's kineticist element is wood. Though personally I prefer flesh, cause I do love myself some shapeshifty body-horror.