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So this issue was left unresolved in the Errata so I'm going to ask it here. First let's look at the Spells Known FAQ:
New Spells Known: If I gain the ability to add a spell that is not on my spell list to my list of spells known, without adding it to my spell list, can I cast it?
No. Adding a spell to your list of spells known does not add it to the spell list of that class unless they are added by a class feature of that same class. For example, sorcerers add their bloodline spells to their sorcerer spell list and oracles add their mystery spells to their oracle spell list. The spell slots of a class can only be used to cast spells that appear on the spell list of that class.
Now let's look at the Human/Half-Elf/Half-Orc Shaman Favored Class Bonus which adds Cleric Spells to your Spells Known, but not your spell list.
Add one spell from the cleric spell list that isn’t on the shaman spell list to the list of spells the shaman knows. This spell must be at least 1 level below the highest spell level the shaman can cast.
So, the question is "Can the Shaman actually cast these spells or are they prevented form doing so by the Spells Known FAQ due to them not being on the Shaman's Class list?"
It's more a question of "Is a favored class bonus a class feature?" They certainly aren't listed with the class features.
It is a shaman favored class bonus. It will be on your spells known and spell list.
Are Favored Classs Bonuses actually class abilities though? Because based on the Spells Known FAQ they would have to be to be on both Spells Known and Spell List.
well with skills being class features for archetypes but nothing else, I feel they'd rule that FCB are class abilities.
well with skills being class features for archetypes but nothing else, I feel they'd rule that FCB are class abilities.
At least skills are in the same section as the class. The FCBs are completely separated from their classes in the books.
The original problem was likely the Eldritch Heritage arcane spell grab. Either way, you would have to be an obsessively pedantic type to decide that the Shaman FCB is rendered worthless.
I hoped the Errata would clarify this so I waited to post it, but since it's not in there I figure now's the time to bring it up. Seize the day and all that jazz.
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Eh?!
I think the use of a bit of common sense would be good here OP...
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Common sense can be rendered worthless in PFS.
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It's more a question of "Is a favored class bonus a class feature?" They certainly aren't listed with the class features.
Considering Paizo thinks of every bonus you can gain from a class as a class feature, including things like "Class Skills" changes. I think it is safe to consider a favored class bonus you gain from taking a class, a class feature. I do/will and I consider it RAW.
Common sense can be rendered worthless in PFS.
Actually, common sense is used liberally in PFS. Run the rules as written, with heavy doses of RAI to fix any possible issue like excessively pedantic readings that render FCB as no-ops.
It's more a question of "Is a favored class bonus a class feature?" They certainly aren't listed with the class features.Considering Paizo thinks of every bonus you can gain from a class as a class feature, including things like "Class Skills" changes. I think it is safe to consider a favored class bonus you gain from taking a class, a class feature. I do/will and I consider it RAW.
But as mentioned above, the class skills actually are listed with the class itself. FCB is listed in its own section separated from the classes.
It falls under that very-often-abused category of things where appeal to RAI is justified because the entire thing is quite literally a complete waste of ink otherwise. As long as there is the slightest doubt about what the intent is then RAW rules, but in a few cases...
Ya, I'd say the intent is obvious, but that phrase causes me discomfort. And there is an issue here. So I'd prefer an FAQ.
Ya, I'd say the intent is obvious, but that phrase causes me discomfort. And there is an issue here. So I'd prefer an FAQ.
Yep, an FAQ is always better to have. Rampant RAI abuse gives the phrase a really bad name...
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So I'd prefer an FAQ.
But this is a horrible waste of text if it ends up in the FAQ. I'd much rather have things that are non-obvious get faq treatment like Overrun.
Why? Because they deliberately don't want the FAQ to be never ending. So if this gets FAQ treatment, I can promise you something else you would also get FAQ'd will not ever be.
If FCBs were class features, why are they race specific? They're more like a tiny bonus racial trait you get as you level up in the right class.
I honestly feel this is more about getting a previous FAQ removed instead of getting this FAQ answered.
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Since when shamans have spells known?
I honestly feel this is more about getting a previous FAQ removed instead of getting this FAQ answered.
No. I'd be perfectly happy with the FCB specifying that it adds to spell list, which has 0 effect on the spells known FAQ.
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The oracle FCB that advances a curse seems to be useless if your curse grants spells. So useless FCBs wouldn't be a new problem.
The oracle FCB that advances a curse seems to be useless if your curse grants spells. So useless FCBs wouldn't be a new problem.
But there's a difference between "This ability doesn't work with option X" and "This ability doesn't work at all". Spirit Guide still works, just not with Arcane Enlightenment.
(Also, are you sure that Blackened curse, accelerated with FCB or multiclassing, doesn't allow you to gain Wall of Fire as a 4th level spell? When you gain specific spells that aren't normally on your class list, they count as the highest level of spells you can cast at the time).
Shaman know all the spells on their class list though, they don't have a seperate ,spells known- spells per day list.