Anger issues with Id Rager; am i doing it right?


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Grand Lodge

Greetings,
I have an Id Rager (Bloodrager archetype) with the Anger emotional focus.

The rules issue i want to confirm, is if i'm doing the damage right. I've not been called out on it, but I'm interpretting the Phantom's Slam die increase as an increase to my Bloodrager's weapon die while raging.

I'm saying it applies because my character itself doesn't have a Slam attack.

This is only a level-dip to the rest of the character.


Nope definitely not how it works.

Reason: read the rules text.


that is wrong. it only affects slam die, not your weapon die.

Dark Archive

As others have said it would only affect any slams you have, which is why I prefer the Hatred focus. Also with Anger, as you don't permanently have Power Attack unless you spend a feat on it, you probably won't qualify for any feats with it as a prerequisite such as furious focus or reckless rage.


The dedication focus would allow you to attack with an increased weapon die after being affected by dutiful strike.

Grand Lodge

Velisruna wrote:
As others have said it would only affect any slams you have, which is why I prefer the Hatred focus. Also with Anger, as you don't permanently have Power Attack unless you spend a feat on it, you probably won't qualify for any feats with it as a prerequisite such as furious focus or reckless rage.

is there a way to "retrain" his Emotional Focus?

The Anger Focus was mostly flavor and thematic, his main class is spiritualist with the Dedication phantom.


Anger is still quite useful. An extra +2 str while raging for another -1 AC and free power attack feat. lets you pick up extra rage in the feat that would have gone towards power attack.

Grand Lodge

Chess Pwn wrote:
Anger is still quite useful. An extra +2 str while raging for another -1 AC and free power attack feat. lets you pick up extra rage in the feat that would have gone towards power attack.

This character isn't really build around constantly raging, so i'm not invested in getting more Rages or Rage powers.

As i said, this was only a single level dip to make my melee-oriented spiritualist more survivable on the field.

Power Attack "as a bonus feat" only triggers with he's raging, and i've already asked this question- it doesn't help when trying to get more feats.

Hatred sounds like a better alternative, and still feels thematic to the character. I just wonder if the Hatred damage bonus counts the character's total HD rather than just the Bloodrager portion of HD.


it's just he bloodrager HD.

Dark Archive

There aren't rules for retraining class features for the Occult classes or Vigilante as they came out after the retraining rules in ultimate campaign. If you're in a home game your GM could probably still allow it. Otherwise you could retrain out of the archetype then back into it but that would be costly.

Grand Lodge

Velisruna wrote:
There aren't rules for retraining class features for the Occult classes or Vigilante as they came out after the retraining rules in ultimate campaign. If you're in a home game your GM could probably still allow it. Otherwise you could retrain out of the archetype then back into it but that would be costly.

it's PFS, and it's only a one-level retrain, so it shouldn't be that expensive.


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Chess Pwn wrote:
Anger is still quite useful. An extra +2 str while raging for another -1 AC and free power attack feat. lets you pick up extra rage in the feat that would have gone towards power attack.

Has the main Bloodrager class, or the Id Rager archetype, or the Anger phantom emotional focus, been nerfed at some point during the last two years?

--I'm specifically referring to this apocryphal Power Attack-while-raging benefit I constantly see while browsing old threads, usually within the context of Id Ragers with an Anger-phantom emotional-focus, but of which I do not see references to them gaining Power Attack in the associated online rules repositories.

From what I can tell, an Id Rager's "Atavistic Avatar" ability "...replaces bloodline, all bloodline spells, and all bloodline powers", and the archetype's list of bonus feats (which does not contain Power Attack) replaces the base class' bloodline bonus feats (where Power Attack was available as a basic combat feat)

If not that, what am I missing?


I think they refer to the Power of the spiritualist's phantom (hard to find sub-page): Anger


Thanks. Follow-ups: Exactly what all on that page does the Id Rager get while raging? E.g., Do the "Good Saves" stack with the the class' normal morale bonuses to Str and Con while raging, or replace them, or are you not supposed to receive them in the first place?

I presume that, since the Anger phantom's Power Attack only manifests during rage, it's not a kosher RAW gateway to other combat feats with that one as a prerequisite....

Grand Lodge

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I have a PFS anger emotion Id Rager halfling. You do not get the saving throws, the bonus skill ranks, or any of the features Inherent to being a phantom- just the abilities of the emotional focus. As others have stated the size increase for the slam only applies to actual slam attacks. If you're shapeshifted into a creature with slam and you rage, THEN you get the size increase. You also do not qualify as having power attack for the purposes of feat prereqs either. If you're not planning on taking more feats that require power attack, and you plan on raging a lot, it's actually a pretty good situation. Otherwise, it's not a great feature.

Because it's PFS you have to retrain the whole level out. 5 prestige, 50 x character level in gold to pay. If you want that dip back again with a different focus, double all of that. You also need a copy of Ultimate Campaign. Not that I've ever had a GM check for me any time I retrained.


If Planar Adventures ever (has it already?) becomes PFS legal, Chaos Reigns gives you the slam attack.

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